FIRST TIME WATCHING Game of Thrones! S4E4 Oathkeeper | Reaction and Review

[@MugShotzReacts]

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[@1975jamrock]

@MugShotzReacts anyone member the actor who plays Tommen actually died earlier in the series. He was one of the Lannister cousins that the Karstsrks murdered and Robb beheaded the Karstarks leader

[@donkrkonto]

Fun fact the actor that plays Tommen, played another character in season 3, Martyn Lannister one of two squires captured in a battle only to be murdered inside their cells by Rickard Karstark as vengeance for Jaime's killing of his son Torrhen.

[@anonymous-bb2dw]

how's this a fun fact 😂 everyone knows that

[@isiahfed]

@@anonymous-bb2dwhow do you know everyone knows that ?

[@Sadsharks]

@@anonymous-bb2dw I didn't know that

[@anonymous-bb2dw]

@@isiahfed because it's tommen? if it was just a random character maybe no one would notice, but it's not

[@teddyjr.424]

Never knew that🤔

[@jacobd.carlos588]

Gotta say the best part about my saturday is watching yall react to Game of Thrones

[@sarajade5111]

I love how Lindsay is sometimes unnervingly dead on in her predictions and so off the wall in others. Keeps it interesting.

[@MugShotzReacts]

@@sarajade5111 it’s hilarious 🤣

[@TheWindcrow]

@@MugShotzReacts I said the same thing couple episodes ago. She reaches sometimes where there is no rope lol

[@mr.knownothing33]

Y’all should have way more views and subscribers! Idk maybe google ads would work. People aren’t seeing the channel. Y’all are just as good as the other reaction channels 🧐

[@StannisHarlock]

"Ser Pounce caught a mouse, but Lady Whiskers stole it from him." ~King Tommen Baratheon

[@M11969]

Margaery is supposed to be 19 at this point. For contrast Tommen is supposed to be 14. In reality, Natalie Dormer was 32 in season 4 and Dean-Charles was 17. Natalie flat out refused to get explicit with him and the script was altered to accommodate this.

[@1HalfbloodPrince]

I love that Ashley and Lindsay still discuss the show while at home. The dedication!

[@kidgforce1]

How did Craster forge a treaty with the White Walkers? Can they even talk?

[@mk2620]

@@kidgforce1 If you've read the books, I would suggest to go read a book theory titled 'A cold death in the snow'. Actually I would suggest it even if you've not read the books. It's basically that the white walkers aren't just there to end civilisation and have their own motives, and possibly their own prohecies too. And If Jon Snow is Azor Ahai, PWWP etc, they are afraid of him. That is why they send a lot of white walkers to round up Ser Waymar Royce in the first scene of the book/show, as Waymar's description in the books is similar to Jon Snow. So it's possible Craster alerted the walkers of Ser Waymar Royce as a possible Azor Ahai candidate, and they came after him. It's a brilliant theory give it a read.

[@windingroad9196]

That guy who was drinking from the Lord Commander's skull... he played in another very good series, 4 seasons long, complete story, "Turn: Washington's Spies" and a true story.. he was amazing in that series! He played a villain turned good guy due to the treachery of the main villain!!! I highly recommend that series after you guys finish Game of Thrones!!! Soooo good, and almost nobody reacts to it because it's hard to find. It was an AMC show, I believe!

[@benlinus1310]

He was also in The Man in the High Castle. Played a similar character .

[@windingroad9196]

@@benlinus1310 I'll have to check it out!! I didn't even know...

[@TahiriVeila13ABY]

Turn is a decent show. It isn't remotely "hard to find". It's literally on amazon (with an AMC+ sub, and there's a free trial for it) or on AMC+ proper. The actor you're referencing was also a "bad guy" on season 4 of The Expanse, which is a better show (at least until season 5 and 6 which were a letdown, but still watchable) than Turn. In it's first season it was just called "Turn" but then they rebranded it to "Turn: Washington's Spies" with season 2 (or maybe 3, but I think 2) in the hopes the name would grab more people.

[@windingroad9196]

@@TahiriVeila13ABY I did know that he was in The Expanse.. even though I haven't gotten around to watching it yet.. And damn I didn't know about the Amazon Prime stuff.. I kind of want to watch it again because I thought it was that good! Captain John Graves Simcoe is a freaking Terminator!

[@Ottawajames]

Those yellow glasses work surprisingly well.... I use them at the rifle range all the time. They really improve vision substantially.

[@s1lm4r1l6]

"I like her even more now. Didn't think that was possible." Don't mess with Mama Bears. Margaery is 17 and Tommen is 8 or 9 in the books. Margaery doesn't attempt to 'seduce' Tommen but she does all sorts of things to spend time with him. Encourages him to train to be a knight, gets him new cats and eats meals with him where possible.

[@XSacredX27]

margaery is about 12-13 in the books i believe, same age as Sansa and Joffrey.

[@unicorndrool9406]

I just want to commend you on how excellent the sound quality has been the past few episodes! Keep them coming, I never want this series to end 😂❤

[@MugShotzReacts]

Thanks I’ve been working on it!!

[@rookis25]

"Widows Wail" is Referring to Catelyn Stark.

[@awadoma2702]

If watch the episode where Joffrey died Lindsay's first thought was the the Tyrells did it because Joffrey was a monster but then she kind of dismissed it because she thought if they were going to kill him they would wait till after the wedding and Marg was Queen. so kind of surprised that she did not remember that the Tyrells were her first suspect.

[@MugShotzReacts]

There were a few weeks between filming of these episodes so that probably contributed!

[@Wvaspartan]

It was mentioned many times as to age in books but actors age was also interesting......at the time of filming of the season Dean Charles Chapman (Tommen) was 16 and Natalie DOrmer (Margaery) was 30

[@carriesmith742]

In the books, Margarey is 17 and Tommen is 10, but in the show he's almost 16, whereas Margarey is 21

[@mrozay607]

Widow's Wail would be about the husbands Joffrey would supposedly kill with the sword, and the subsequent cries from said widows

[@Yogripper]

Ashley looks like a little kid on saturday morning watching her cartoons lol, so attentive.

[@interstellar.overdrive]

:D

[@ashleydixon4613]

I found out recently that Katelyn Stark was officially supposed to have been played by Jennifer Ehle, who I mostly remember as Elizabeth Bennett opposite Colin Firth as Mr Darcy in the award-winning 1994 BBC miniseries version of Pride and Prejudice. I don’t know what happened exactly but she pulled out of it at the last minute because of a scheduling conflict of some sort.

[@dunringill1747]

For whatever reason, when the Night King was converting that infant into one of his White Walkers, the song "Ice Ice Baby" suddenly popped into my head. I've never even been a fan of the song so I have no excuse. I'm just glad the Ice Baby, the King, and the other White Walkers didn't break into a dance choreography with that song playing. That would be something they could have used on "Game of Thrones, The Musical" 😉.

[@MugShotzReacts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

i think the three of you should go through all parodies

[@L4zySh4ky]

6:40 Have you guys heard of the version where it repeats "Hodor" over and over again ? That' hilarious too.

[@1HalfbloodPrince]

I left a message on her insta, but just let Lindsay know I'm thinking of her at this time, and not to worry at all about making the videos. Health comes first. Everyone will understand. ❤

[@PancaketheCorgi]

So is there a white walker nursery with a bunch of baby and toddler walkers running around? Cute.

[@MugShotzReacts]

That’s hilarious

[@henrysinclair5914]

nobody framed tyrion, it was just a happy coincidence

[@IshtarNike]

Yeah. Cersei needs no help blaming Tyrion for thihs. And it's medieval times so apparently someone handing Joffrey the cup he died from automatically makes them obviously guilty even though you'd have to be a fool to do something in front of everyone.

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

no one could have predicted that Joffery would have put so much focus on Tyrion......If Tyrion hadn't been such focus, then Joffery would have died none the less, and no one would have known who poisoned the wine......but Joffery had to focus on Tyrion

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

it is interesting that part of Nedd's sword, the very sword that beheaded him, is called Widow's Wail

[@DoakFelix-qr8uw]

You wish to know what happens when a person is telepathically bonded to an animal when it feels pain? And when it dies? I would suggest reading the prologue chapter to the book, book 5 of a song of ice and fire, A Dance With Dragons…. After finishing Season Four when all associated characters are deceased.

[@Iamsome61]

Highlight of the episode was Jaime and Brienne.❤

[@parsashojaei1352]

Margaery is actually 17 and Tommen was 9-11 in the books, but here they made it more by increasing it to 12-13, as they mentioned. So there's an age gap, but they're both minors under 18.

[@maximoose6854]

Is she 17 in the show as well?

[@parsashojaei1352]

@@maximoose6854 I believe so. Because the goal was too decreasing the age gap between them. Also she's almost the same age as Sansa, just a bit older. So this makes sense.

[@JANA_WINCHESTER]

If you like the Peter Dinklage Theme song, you will definetely like the one "Chicken, Mashed potatoes, brokkoliiii", it's from an old Smosh sketch "Every Game of Thrones Ever"

[@morpheusjones4753]

Astapor location is Essaouira, Morocco.

[@kkuro7054]

"Moon chute" still sounds kind of dirty in S04, just like in S01.

[@aegontargaryen2832]

I don’t know how you guys all feel about it but I feel like they are going to have the same reaction to the end of all this as a lot of people did. I really hope they do enjoy the ending, but I think they might be a bit miffed

[@MugShotzReacts]

We’ll just have to wait and see!!

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

When the books started, he was a wee 6 years old. But on the show, his starting age was 10. Now, he's around 13 or 14. The actor who plays him, Dean-Charles Chapman is 17. In the books, Margaery's starting age is 16. Her age on the show, currently, is probably around 21 or 22 - though it's unclear. Apparently, Game of Thrones creators were so impressed with Natalie Dormer’s portrayal they decided to up her age in order to cast the actress, who should be just 18 on the show. This makes their characters' age differences about 8 years so, if you do the math....in the books, Tommen was about 9 maybe 10, while Margaery was about 18 the actors at the time, Dean was 17 while Natalie was 32 strange for sure.....but, its all good, they are only acting.....lol

[@scottfriedman6425]

Margaery is 15 or 16 years old at the beginning of the A Song of Ice and Fire series. Renly shows her portrait to Ned in A Game of Thrones and remarks how he believes Margaery looks like Lyanna at that age (16). Joffrey is about a year younger than Robb and Jon who are 14 at the beginning of the novels, making him 12 or 13 - about a year older than Sansa (11 or 12). Tommen is 7 at the beginning of the story. Tommen and Margaery wed about two years later at 8 or 9 and 17 or 18, respectively. The show, however, aged all the characters up a few years but there is some timeline discrepancy. Tommen's actor in the early seasons (Callum Wharry) was far younger than his season 4 replacement (Dean-Charles Chapman). If I had to guess, I'd say Natalie Dormer's Margaery is somewhere around 20, Jack Gleeson's Joffrey is probably about 17 or 18, and Tommen SEEMS to be closer to 15 or 16. That doesn't track with Sansa's age though. The writers seem to have kept Sansa, who logically should be older than Tommen, younger than we originally assumed as she tells Tyrion she's 14 when they're married. Fourteen would be book-accurate but doesn't make sense in the show's universe. I think the writers kept her 14 purely for shock value.

[@MugShotzReacts]

I think I read somewhere that Natalie Dormer was closer to 30, and Jack Gleason was in his 20s ☺️ they just have baby faces!

[@scottfriedman6425]

@@MugShotzReacts Oh, yes for sure. The actors were much older. But I think the characters were still younger.

[@donbergeson6771]

I don't know why but one of the things that always bothers me is every time they name their swords. From everything I always read from the time I was a kid, swords don't get names until they've tasted blood.

[@rahilrameez8635]

Okay, Now that the plot to kill Joffery has been revealed. Olena is probably not involved in it if you go by the books. There's hints that the Target actually was Tyrion himself and none other than Joffrey is involved in this and he's helped by Little Finger. Little Finger motive is quite clear as with Tyrion being dead, he can marry Sansa which will give him control over the North. Joffrey accidentally drinks the poison himself which was intended for Tyrion which is classic Joffrey lol.

[@SelvesteSand]

So Olenna pulling poison out of Sansa's hairnet at the wedding is just entirely unrelated?

[@MFBloosh]

They aged up pretty much everyone for the show, and I think that was a great idea lol. Cersei and Jamie are younger in the books, Joffrey is younger, Margaery is younger, etc. So when it comes to Margaery and Tommen, Margaery was 16 when first introduced in the books and Tommen was 10. In the show, Margaery is supposed to be around 20 years old and Tommen is about 14 or 15 at this point, being only a few years younger than Joffrey in the show who died when he was 17 or 18. So yeah, I completely understand why they changed everyone's ages lol.

[@donkrkonto]

In the books Margaery was around 17 and Tommen 10, in the tv series most of the younger characters was aged up including these, Margaery 21 and Tommen 16 (IRL the actors was 32 and 17)

[@Funnysterste]

Pod is around 10 in the books... and still a virgin.

[@skeeyee1643]

a lot of the time the scenes don’t make sense to me when you think about the aged up ages. like tommen to me wouldnt act like this as a 16 year old but he portrays his original age in this scene well. same with others like sansa. she portrays a small naiive child not a teenager

[@mathmexican4234]

i had no clue the show was trying to show her as 21..... who would buy that lol.

[@kidgforce1]

It´s not even clear how long a year is on this planet with all its varying seasons. It could well be that on this planet 10 years (circles around the sun) last as long as 18 years on earth.

[@sliceofheaven3026]

Royalty got married relatively early in real life. At least in this case the age difference isnt that much. Also people generally got married way earlier than they do these days. Though in some poorer countries girls are still forced into marriage at a very early age. Also marriage in royalty isnt about love but holding and gaining power. Love wasnt often a real factor in these cases since kings were known to have several mistresses during their reign. Though sadly queens werent allowed affairs generally unless they were queens who ruled themselves like Elizabeth the first or Catherine the great. These characters were younger in the books i think.

[@TheDoctorfat]

About that Margery/Tommen scene, Natalie Dormer was 32 while Dean-Charles Chapman was 17, this is kind of important because the original script for that scene was a *lot* more sexual and intimate. When Dormer got the script however she demanded that the showrunners change it because it creeped her out way too much and she didn't feel comfortable being that sensual to a 17 year old.

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

i forgot one parody a spoiler bit Game Of Thrones Recap Rap (seasons 1-6) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3e9dmyVq9p2odk

[@Jose-Lozanchez]

Since the day Brienne of Tar could have been raped but the Kingslayer saved her, along with him, burning them all, Jaime began to occupy part of our hearts, in the books it begins when Jaime helps Brieene get out of the water, Instead of hitting her like he was thinking... his body and honor thought something else.♥❄&🔥´♬

[@1HalfbloodPrince]

Fun fact, I always like the video before I even watch 😂💕

[@MugShotzReacts]

🥰

[@IncelJoker]

Margaery Tyrell is supposed to be 16 in the books closer to 20 the show Tommen is 7 in the books but is aged up for the show

[@sarangbaag9982]

That bonus content?? Are you talking about GOT musical??😉😉

[@MugShotzReacts]

Coming sooooon

[@boojeboy1]

The relationship between Jaimie and Brienne is the most complex in the show. They are both my favorite characters. Basically….Brienne is the knight that Jaimie wishes he could be, that he always wanted to be-except his father is Tywin Lannister and a ruthless politician. Jaimie really does believe in honor, duty, chivalry, sacrifice-all those things-but his father’s politics and the subterfuge and backstabbing (literally) always bothered him. He has some self-hate, because he sort of “knows” that politics and subterfuge is how things really work (his father showed him that) but yet he still is a knight, who wants to be a good and honorable knight. His family and past just won’t let him. He’s the Oathbreaker, the KingSlayer, and it’s why he’s so taken with Brienne. She’s a capable warrior and knight who takes her vows very seriously and will not be compromised. Jaimie’s knightly vows and duties were always compromised by his father and family-Brienne didn’t have to worry about that and thus was able to remove herself from the political intrigue. She is the knight that Jaimie once wanted to be as a young man, and the knight he still wishes he could be. Only his name is dirt, everyone hates his family, and he lost his sword hand to the Boltons. The ONLY way he knows to be honorable is to help out the one truly selfless, noble, and chivalrous person he knows: Brienne of Tarth.

[@bigw725]

26:48 he really was a *meow* wasn’t he

[@MugShotzReacts]

😹

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

so, a stone was missing from the necklace when would a stone have gone missing?.......at the wedding no less? Who was close enough to take a stone.....and without Sansa noticing?

[@septicshock5663]

I disagree about the masters being crucified being evil, it's justice

[@MugShotzReacts]

All of them??

[@mathmexican4234]

Margaery bringing that Firecracker energy.

[@MugShotzReacts]

🧨

[@Nikki_94]

Breakfast ready woooo!

[@Maleficas88]

Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, is pretty great! But my favorite is Dominik Omega - Game of Thrones

[@SennaHawx]

"Oathkeeper" could have been such a great twist name for this episode

[@SelvesteSand]

Oathkeeper **is** the title of this episode.

[@jaredschuster3010]

Tommen didnt have chance. A boy that young, and is going to marry an incredibly beautiful and charismatic lady. Margaery barely has to try and he would be in the palm of her hand.

[@iblack8759]

btw best version of game of thrones theme is a big banana song, hhhhh

[@vishvnaik2756]

17:04 the garden of betrayal y'all should react to SOUTH PARK GARDEN OF BETRAYAL 🌀South Park ❌ game of thrones

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

i have to admit......i am mainly here for Hodor's episode and maybe Battle of the Bastards There were some episodes before that as well I am also looking toward, THE REVEAL, not just the half reveal, when Tyrion is peeping

[@MugShotzReacts]

It’s going to interesting to see for sure!!

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

@@MugShotzReacts i have been trying rather attentively to keep my comments spoiler free......i think i screwed up once....but i am hoping that, the particular comment i am thinking of was to another reaction but again, i think the three of you should watch some of the parodies, like GAME OF THRONES MEDLEY (Monster, Roar, Demons, & Titanium Parody) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fInNd4imlq6ZidU "A Character I Used to Know" - A "Game of Thrones" Season 1 Parody by Not Literally Productions kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIm2hHWrbtp-qK8 Game of Thrones: Dead Character Medley (Parody) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoCtf6ynaL2VicU great one......all of them are really good, but this one is great George R.R. Martin's BLANK PAGE (Game of Thrones / Taylor Swift's BLANK SPACE Parody) kzbin.info/www/bejne/bILLoWato7CsgaM "MEDIEVAL LAND FUN-TIME WORLD" EXTENDED TRAILER - A Bad Lip Reading of Game of Thrones kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3zVq2Carqlgi7M BONUS AND EXTENDED SCENES - "MEDIEVAL LAND FUN-TIME WORLD" kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXPMgHd7pMeVq8k Seth Brings Jon Snow to a Dinner Party - Late Night with Seth Meyers kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJLFpJp5hs2jq5Y Game of Thrones Parody: Season 1 (FULL) kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYS8d5uol8eba6s this is a series that has 4 seasons KFC "Game of Thrones" Commercial [HD] kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5jSaHWlqJKof68 Game of Desks (Late Night with Jimmy Fallon) kzbin.info/www/bejne/faLKlayka9yabac this last one DOES have spoilers.....but, ?doesn't? The Ultimate Game of Thrones Recap (dropout) kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXzTpHeljtuoa8U Top 10 Game of Thrones Parodies (watchmojo) kzbin.info/www/bejne/goKvon2ZiNmSp5I

[@Phetroc]

Your gods have forsaken you.. this is your god now.

[@eglantinepapeau1582]

18:50 We all do 😍 Lady O is iconic 🌹

[@Jose-Lozanchez]

Buenas Tardes Encantadoras Mujeres, for the epoca we are in, Margaery Tyrell has not done anything that can be stated as abuse, she is simply making him fall in love with her sweetness and intelligence, let's hope she arrives in time to teach him not to be Joffrey at the moment Tommen is a sweet child Of summer Para Steph: My Dear Lindsay is very good at connecting sequences with his dialogues. Will Sansa kill Littlefinger? When Maester Aemon arrives with Sam talking about what a terrible thing it is to be a Targaryen alone in the world...

[@ashscott6068]

If you make some moderators, they will be able to remove spoiler comments. I think you have to start a live stream or a premiere to get the ability to make mods. But once you do, they will have mod powers over normal video comments.. I think any they remove are even held for review by the channel owner.

[@MugShotzReacts]

We don’t need anyone to remove spoiler comments at this point since I’ve seen the show 😉

[@ashscott6068]

@@MugShotzReacts Ahh. How did you feel when it turned out that Tyrion had been faking being short the whole time? Best twist ever!

[@MugShotzReacts]

@@ashscott6068 🤣

[@ashscott6068]

"A man without motive, is a man nobody suspects" Ummm...okay. But that's also a man with no reason to commit the damn crime! Is he seriously saying he killed Joffrey even though he didn't want to and had no reason to? And then he literally goes on to explain his MOTIVE! And people say Littlefinger is smart!

[@interstellar.overdrive]

Point is he kept his motives hidden. He had his reasons, he just acted as "a man without motives" to the outside world.

[@darkelf2x1]

Fun bit of trivia, the comment by Olenna Tyrell (the grandmother) about another garden stroll was in response to South Park's Black Friday trilogy which parodied Game of Thrones. The writers stopped doing garden plotting scenes as a result

[@captainofdunedain3993]

Ashley

[@vishvnaik2756]

15:20 OG GOT PLAYER #chaos #littlefinger #shakunimama #mahabharat

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

concerning your left hand think about how bad your hand writing was when you were just starting, back at, what, 5? You have had YEARS of practice to get your writing as good as it is now for your left hand, all you need, is the same amount of time and devotion, which few are willing to do once they can write with a hand your left hand has no training as yet........but, if you were to start right now, i would bet, in a year's time, you would be able to write pretty well with your left.....though still not as good as your right hand

[@thecockerel86]

Arya and Braavos in the notes? Why? What a silly combination! Who thinks like that? It's not a thing. #Foreshadowing #ValarMorgulis #ValarDohaeris

[@andromidius]

Margaery is around 16-17 in the books around this time. Tommen is 8-9. So yeah. Uh. Yeah. He was aged up for the show, and even then its uncomfortable.

[@interstellar.overdrive]

Yeah, 8-9 is still a kid. GRRM is sick. Why are we reading his books.

[@dragonhawkeclouse2264]

the idea of an eye for an eye is commonly misunderstood within the human condition, revenge is a thing.....and if someone takes your eye, the general human will not stop at taking an eye from the predator. They will take an eye, possibly both, and then a limb or two. the idea of an eye for an eye, is concerning where it must stop.....no more than an eye for an eye furthermore....there are places where it can be understood that it was not expected, in the courts, that it would literally be an eye for an eye, but rather, the price of an eye for the taking of an eye.................this interpretation has its issues......but the first understanding does hold.....the idea of, no more than an eye for an eye.......what this means is that a person could forgive, and not take anything the eye for an eye was actually a restriction against something worse.......which is still bad, but when considering that this was 3000 years ago, it was pretty good for its time

[@deonjames1041]

So much of what was shot at Crasters keep was unnecessary

[@nofil2000]

You spoiled a future episode’s name 26:58 😂

[@MugShotzReacts]

Without even knowing lol!

[@dmille1959]

"I shall answer injustice with justice." --- Daenerys Stormborn, the Unburnt.

[@nielgregory108]

You have to have notes????? WTF?? It's not that complicated.

[@MugShotzReacts]

We sometimes have many weeks between filming so it is helpful to remember what happened previously. Also, for people with ADHD taking notes can be helpful to stay engaged. Hope this helps!

[@0626jrp]

You have to comment about how someone watches a show?? Lol WTF. And you saying it's not that complicated is also funny since for most first time watchers it can be confusing. Name another show deeper than this?

[@MarcoInvo]

Worst episode of Season 4. Just Podick highlight in this one.