First US Navy Submarine: USS Holland

[@TheReaper569]

"Choking to death or dying in an explosion can be considered even more detrimental to the commander's vision" Excelent analyses.

[@Ken19700]

Choking to death and dying in an explosion are definitely bad for your vision.

[@davidbocquelet-dbodesign]

I like the distinction you make between "submarine" and "submersible" in the intro, that's often overlooked/ Holland types compared to European types favored underwater performances at the expense of surface performances. Holland used unusual solutions like a small sail and rotating cap over the torpedo tube muzzles to improve it, plus in surface a temporary piping-and-canvas structure, in surface long to erect and dismantle. Needless to say they were discarded in wartime (no crash dive permitted!).

[@old_guard2431]

Excellent presentation as usual. Your English is quite good. One correction "bow" as in shoots an arrow or tie a hair ribbon is pronounced the way you pronounced it. "Bow" as in front of a ship or boat is pronounced as the first syllable in Bauhaus. Reason? None, of course. It's English.

[@WildBillCox13]

Origins and usage customs change as those who innovated die and give way to subsequent interpreters.

[@PCGamerLysandros]

Nicely done, as always!

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

+Lysander thank you!

[@charlesdavis1080]

You didn't mention another important piece of technology; high pressure compressed air. It allows a sub to rapidly expel water from the ballast tanks and expel and move water in the trim tanks.

[@richardmeyeroff7397]

I wish you would go into more detail of her operational history and what she was followed up with in the US navy as well as other navies.

[@nathanschechter9722]

would you please do some videos on Japan during WWII? It is not talked about very often, or at least with much detail. If it is talked about, it's usually about island hopping, rather than the western-ish eastern front. Thanks for putting this video up. I liked it a lot.(Along with all the other videos you put up)

[@johnlansing2902]

PS thank you for putting out great videos

[@MaxRavenclaw]

Wow, the 19th century? Didn't know subs appeared so early.

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

+MaxRavenclaw there were some way earlier, was pretty surprised too.

[@MaxRavenclaw]

Military History Visualized Weren't they made of wood or something?

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

+MaxRavenclaw dunno, I only know that the mentioned boat from Nordenfelt was a steam submarine for the Turkish Navy

[@halorecon32]

+Military History Visualized i know the union and confederates experimented with submarines in the american civil war. also, there was allegedly a submarine in the american revolution.

[@oberstul1941]

+MaxRavenclaw wasn't there a plot of rescuing Napoleon from exile with a sub?

[@ClickerQuiz]

Can you do a video giving an overview of how medic training, use, and the equipping of in Germany changed in World War 1 and 2? Or, if that is not possible, just one of the wars. (or maybe a 3 part series with WW1, Interwar, and WW2, or even further subdivision if warranted) The use, effectiveness, doctrine, and challenges faced by medics and the medical service and support structures in war seem like something both poorly covered and important to getting a better understanding of life and warfare in the past and present, as well something that your style of visualizing history would be very helpful in helping people begin to wrap their heads around. In addition since you seem to research your topics very well having sources for further reading listed in the description would help the curious get a good head start into learning more about the subject.

[@nagjrcjasonbower]

Well made. Thanks!

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

Thank you!

[@jackdawson6477]

Sad it was short, wish it was that little bit longer

[@Marc83Aus]

A brief video but enlightening nonetheless, perhaps you might do a similar video about the first modern submarines designed by other countries.

[@Tk3997]

Honestly Holland wanted submarines not submersibles, you can easily see that in the very design which was clearly optimized for submerged vs surfaced performance. The result was highly limited by the propulsion technology of the time, but the focus was clear. He openly advocated against large superstructure and decks wanting to keep his boats as 'clean' as possible. Even today the shaping in terms of length of beam on his designs is very close to the distributions used by most modern submarines. Unfortunately once navies got involved they did very quickly turn them into little diving ships largely ignoring and unlearning Holland's foresight regarding clean design optimized for underwater running.

[@NaYawkr]

The Holland was first built and launched in the village of New Suffolk on Peconic Bay in Eastern Long Island. THISFACT IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED AND LIED ABOUT, BUT REMAINS ACURATE AND TRUE.

[@chiisan3776]

isn't there... two hollands?

[@eureka5635]

There's HMS Holland 1 and USS Holland (SS-1), USS Holland was laid down in 1896 at Elizabeth, New Jersey, While HMS Holland 1 was laid down in 1900 at the Vickers Maxim shipyard.

[@mikearmstrong8483]

One significant discrepancy. The US Navy did not buy the Holland VI, commission it, and name it USS Holland. It was simply the Holland. The USS designation was not adopted for USN ships until 1907.

[@k3D4rsi554maq]

The first Royal Navy boats were Holland designed submarines. When they were building them they found that the dimensions on the plans weren't quite right as Holland didn't approve of the sale of his plans by his business partner as he got into submarine designing to sink the ships of that Navy. They have one of these boats in their naval museum and his first boat the Fenian Ram still survives.

[@Nikolapoleon]

The USS Holland may have been the first modern american submarine, but the actual first was the American Turtle in 1775, and if not that, than the USS Alligator in 1862.

[@megalodon7916]

The USS Alligator was the first submarine in the navy. The Turtle was an army project.

[@Hooibeest2D]

The first submarine was made by the Dutch inventor Mr Drebbel. Somewhere in the 1630's. Not much other use than spying.

[@shivammartin]

very informative. I didn't knew submarines were that old. Can you please provide us with a video on german U-boats during WWII?

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

+Shivam mishra thank you. Planned, but will take a while, actually the video started because I wanted to do something on WW2 submarines, got a bit detracted.

[@shivammartin]

Hahaha no problem mate!!! I can wait.

[@Detoyato]

What was the criteria that made the type XXI the "first" proper submarine? Because if it was just vessels with better underwater vs surface performance then there's definitely precursors to that...

[@Detoyato]

Well I was not talking about the dreadfully slow type VII's and the like... When I said better underwater performance... I meant it... The WWI era R-class submarines of the Royal navy for example, armed with six 21" bow tubes and with an underwater speed of 14 knots, designed primarily to hunt the Kaiser's U-boats were exceedingly far ahead of their time, no submarine would have a better underwater performance till the Japanese No. 71, which only managed 21 knots of it's designed 25 underwater. The R-class's shortcomings notwithstanding... A submarine designed to hunt other submarines while submerged and predating the XXI and the even faster Japanese I-201's should earn the right as the first proper submarine... In the criteria that is, of having been designed to fight submerged to utilize it's higher submerged performance compared to what were common back then.

[@kungfucow547]

"What was the criteria that made the type XXI the "first" proper submarine? Because if it was just vessels with better underwater vs surface performance then there's definitely precursors to that..." No. It's not about the underwater performance - are you for real?? The explanation is simple. The German XXI actually could stay *submerged* almost throughout their operational use. Submarines prior to the XXI were actually spending most of their time on the surface like any other ship and only dove to evade being spotted (or sunk) by planes, to attack ship convoys and to escape destroyers. This made them highly vulnerable. Their operation time while submerged was measured in hours and they had to surface eventually to recharge the batteries on the surface. That meant that any ship tracking them could simply try to be in the vicinity and attack it once it surfaced. The sub can't just dive back in and is a sitting duck at this point. At core they were still mostly surface ships with the ability to dive for limited periods of time. Most of their operational time they spent on the surface. Understand?? "A submarine designed to hunt other submarines while submerged and predating the XXI and the even faster Japanese I-201's should earn the right as the first proper submarine.." Check up whether you qualify as falling into the Autistic spectrum disorder - it's unbelievable *how somebody could completely miss the mark and get stuck with details* . The German XXI submarines had large enough batteries to be able to stay submerged for days. On top of that they didn't have to resurface at all to charge their batteries by going with diesel power but could utilize their diesel power submerged via a snorkel. This meant that they could stay hidden even when recharging their batteries. Bad news for the allies. They can't spot them anymore. Prior to this the ever increasing number of long-range allied planes meant that the submarines (and the same applied to submarines of any other nation since they were mostly on the surface) had to look for planes in all directions at all times and constantly had to do emergency dives to avoid being sunk. This also seriously limited their operation use and range. The *biggest benefit* of a submarine is (drumroll) it's ability *to stay submerged* . It goes without saying that it's highly vulnerable on the surface, which in turn means that if it spends most of its time *on* the surface it's not going to be very efficient - not if there's a gazillion of planes and tons of destroyers escorting the ship convoys and remaining where they last spotted them to wait when they come up - which they must. It's lucky for the allies the XXI submarines arrived when the Battle of the Atlantic was already long won and there were very few of them ready for combat (6 of them). Had they arrived two years earlier and there'd be hundreds of them the allies would have been in big trouble. "What was the criteria that made the type XXI the "first" proper submarine?" Should be perfectly obvious. The ability to stay submerged almost entirely while in operation. As such it's a "proper submarine": That you fail to see this falls under the criteria of autism or just plain lack of wits and common sense. Hope you learn something from this. Don't ever jump to hasty conclusions and look for the sensible explanation not wild speculation with details and arbitrary definitions.

[@darrentangent]

what program do you use for the infographics?

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

PowerPoint 2013 you can see a showcase video on my powerpoint channel: kzbin.info/door/pRuyypmcZCetQHittuPkFw

[@Rico-v7r]

There were actually multiple Submarines in the American Civil War like the USS Alligator. There was even the "Turtle" in the Revolutionary war

[@mikearmstrong8483]

Nope. There was no USS Alligator. Just plain Alligator. The USS designation was not adopted until 1908.

[@podemosurss8316]

Could you make a video about the Spanish submarine Ictineo II?

[@manictiger]

2:40 I choked on my coffee.

[@knotkool1]

holland is also the name of the first british navy submarine. built of course by the same john holland.

[@Mike_of_the_Sonora]

wait what about the CSS H.L. Hunley or the USS Alligator??

[@JimFortune]

The Hunley was, as you point out, CSS. Not the US Navy.

[@Mike_of_the_Sonora]

i understand but i would say it falls under the "american" umbrella

[@JimFortune]

Mike Hamza It also falls under the "world" umbrella. But the title is "The First US Navy Submarine".

[@Mike_of_the_Sonora]

alright then i admit i was wrong but my point about the USS Alligator and the Turtle ?

[@JimFortune]

Mike Hamza I don't think the Turtle was ever commissioned by the Navy, but I think you're right about the Alligator. Sometimes even KZbin videos are wrong! ;->

[@KlunkerRider]

Submarines had no latrines So the old salts told How they'd hang their tails O'er the rails, and sing out OH that water's COLD! Old US Navy ditty about early submariners

[@bmxgeneral]

Although I do know it is very difficult, I found the visualisation rather poor at some parts of the video.. for example you where talking about the propeller being moved from the front to the back.. and all that happened visually, was a propeller icon appearing.. I'd have liked it you'd visualised the design iterations in more detail, however I do understand that would have been more time consuming. I hope I have been constructive, without offending you :)

[@starexcelsior]

Don’t forget about the USS Alligator from 1862

[@mikearmstrong8483]

There was no USS Alligator. It was just Alligator. The USS designation was not adopted until 1908.

[@mxecho]

John Philip Holland was my great great uncle, he worked out of paterson NJ at the passaic iron works.. he invented the idea of the torpedo shaped sub and from what i understand the US Navy did not pick up his first designs as they thought it a less than honorable way of combat. so he sold em to the IRA

[@megalodon7916]

Well, he was going to sell to them, but there was a dispute over payment, and the Irish revolutionaries ended up stealing two of his submarines instead of buying them. Also, it was the Irish Republican Brotherhood, not the IRA.

[@oisinmcgann6315]

@@megalodon7916 Actually, neither of these is quite right. The IRB funded the design and build of the first boats - that's why the most famous one was named the 'Fenian Ram'. Then two factions within the organisation fell out over the money it was costing. The IRB stole the two working subs rather than pay the inventor any more, accidentally sinking one in the process. The Fenian Ram was never used again, because Holland refused to help them operate the boat, so they couldn't sell it either. Richard Knowles Morris has written an excellent history of Holland's life.

[@megalodon7916]

@@oisinmcgann6315 Like I said, a disagreement over payment. It was Holland III that sank in the East River. It has not been recovered. Since no one could operate it and Holland refused to help, Fenian Ram was hauled into a shed on the Mills River. She did end up helping out with Ireland in a way, though. In 1916 she was exhibited in Madison Square Garden (the 1890 one, not the current one) to raise funds for victims of the Easter Rising.

[@megalodon7916]

Technically, the USS Alligator was the navy’s first submarine. The USS Holland was just the first to be commissioned.

[@chiisan3776]

yep!

[@chiisan3776]

wait, not Turtle?

[@megalodon7916]

@@chiisan3776 Turtle was actually an army project. Work on it was carried out under Washington’s command. In fact, sometime after the war, Jefferson, who was always interested in any thing scientific, contacted Washington to get information on the Turtle, and Washington in turn passed his questions on to Bushnell. The letters between Washington, Jefferson, and Bushnell, have been preserved. So, while the Turtle was indeed the first military submarine used by the United States in combat, it was not a navy submarine. USS Alligator, on the other hand, was a navy project.

[@anonymousanglo1169]

I thought the first American sub was the "turtle" used in the American revolutionary war.

[@chiisan3776]

you are correct! however, USS Holland is the *first* submarine to be commissioned into the US Navy, while the previous ones like Turtle, Alligator, and Intelligent Whale(I'm serious, it's actually named that and it's also a museum ship now) are not commissioned officially, that is the briefest explanation i can give about it

[@lesleygorgasm]

my granddad worked on this submarine

[@brianwyters2150]

How did the crew breathe?

[@steyn1775]

Brian Wyters by using their lungs lmfao

[@22grena]

And he was an Irishman ☘️

[@JimFortune]

So Holland was developing subs for the British and US navies?

[@dankusmemus4434]

No, the name of the designer was John Holland

[@SnowmanTF2]

After he developed the USS Holland for the US navy, he later sold a few based on that design to the Royal Navy

[@99Hokusai]

Before he ever designed submarines for the Americans or the British he designed the Fenian Ram for the IRA, who hoped to use it to defeat British sea power, and thereby end their occupation of Ireland. Other methods turned out to be quicker and more effective to that end, but it is arguable that the U Boat blockades (and U Boats and all modern submarines are derived from Holland's ideas) of the two world wars which destroyed the British Empire by diverting trade to American ports and considerably increasing the trade power of the US over the long run. The Fenians of the 19th Century would probably called that a result.

[@brianwyters2150]

3:35 But what about suicide bombers? Or kamikaze? Those were used.

[@buster117]

Did this sub saw combat during ww1?

[@Hooibeest2D]

Funny it's called Holland, the first submarine was Dutch made in 1630 or something. Sold to the Brits it's in London now.

[@alexkorman1163]

The removal of the WHAT?!?

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

but...how did this help defeat the Martian invasion?

[@Lazarus7000]

Yes but where was the crapper?

[@WildBillCox13]

The Great Outdoors

[@FrankReddick]

Nope.

[@jonikasemi]

LOL I have seen this guy for almost a year now and I still find his english terrible.