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I recently bought a new miter saw (Bosch Axial Glide) and have been a little disappointed with the dust collection that it had. It was still vastly superior to the stock dust collection I've experienced on other saws, but I guess I was just hoping for more. I decided to perform an experiment and compare 3 common solutions to the problem followed up with my own custom designed dust shroud. In this video you get to see just how effective each solution is at capturing dust as well as whether or not my creation is any better. It's a fun little experiment that has some surprising results!

[@skippylippy547]

A refreshingly nice video with humor and excellent videography! Thank you. :)

[@donaldfbaer5196]

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[@donaldfbaer5196]

Deed

[@tianwang1630]

Exactly, just discovered thus channel today, quite humorous yet tons of really good stuff

[@walterplaessmann5865]

Just came across this video, great solution without over-engineering the whole thing. Really enjoyed using compressed air to blow dust all over the shop to get ready for testing dust collection ideas. Whoever said irony was dead?!

[@FishersShop]

Yeah, haha

[@Bjornarp]

"i borrowed a scale from my neighbours meth lab" literally dying! i breathed in a mouthfull of pepsi xD

[@PorqueNoLosDos]

...I spewed my Coors light across the table.

[@BradCozine]

At least you only " breathed in your Pepsi", instead of having "snorted your Coke".

[@Jevandtieriel]

love it!

[@deanaoxo]

he clearly didn't teach you about grams. . . js and for me, it was the end of my coffee, stuff is difficult to get off the keyboard. . .

[@huntermark1160]

I spewed coffee on my computer screen and the glasses I was wearing!

[@tonybeach3520]

I appreciate your outtakes following the videos. It relieves the pressure on myself to be perfect, knowing the master makes occasional errors as well. You do great work! Take care.

[@FishersShop]

Thanks a bunch!

[@BarkingIron]

Great idea and solid outcome. Thank You for the videos and your commentary is awesome.

[@ejd53]

Thank you very much. I have the same saw (including the never used hold down clamp) and so I will be using your design. I look forward to much less dust, but mostly, it's nice to find a use for the clamp.

[@FishersShop]

Glad it was helpful!

[@oldwobble916]

Very scientific approach to a common problem. You started with a reasonably good collection of dust with the standard setup. My Metabo 254 didn't collect anything in the supplied dustbag. I didn't want to limit the miter saw angles, so I ended up with a box over the complete saw with cut-outs to ensure the angle movements.

[@thegringobaker]

Hey Drew, the comments section is working for me again! Based on your work with this, I made something sorta similar for my miter saw and learned a couple of things...one... this works! Two... a shop vac hooked up to 2.5 inch dust hose has enough power to pull 6 feet of vacuum cleaner hose into it! I had a heck of a time getting it back out! Thanks for what you do and the humor you do it with.

[@FishersShop]

Haha, nice! :)

[@Cochran05]

I appreciate the analysis and the humor. Thanks!

[@jjohnston94]

This looks great (and saved to my "shop" playlist), but there's one solution you didn't test, and that is the "little bandshell" completely surrounding the saw. Those might work better with a large volume dust collector, so maybe the ultimate solution is to have both (considering diminishing returns, etc., etc., etc.)

[@davidcochran934]

Love the bloopers the end. Wish more people showed them.

[@freemanwoodworking1622]

Great video. Love the humor and just exactly what we are all thinking in the shop at all times

[@jeromewatel6925]

Bonjour, merci pour l'idée, je vais tester ce weekend sur ma scie.

[@alfredlangkowski6475]

Loved the video, and really like your sense of humour. I just finished doing the same dust collection on my saw, and I cannot believe the difference. Very little dust. Thank you!!

[@FishersShop]

You're very welcome. Glad it worked out for you

[@samsboringchannel]

Thank you for taking the time to put this together, an experiment we all needed! Will take these lessons and make my garage a better place to be!

[@FishersShop]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jaybrunn1175]

I'm a big fan of science and woodworking.... nicely done. Love the humor you sprinkled in...lol

[@FishersShop]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@edwardlynch7874]

Great design. I have the same Bosch saw and I built one following your design. It works great. Thanks for the idea. This would a great tool to duplicate on a 3D printer.....if I had one.

[@FishersShop]

Glad it helped

[@jimhill4687]

Great idea presented very well. Super smart approach to a big problem. LOVE the outtakes!

[@JS_Actual]

This video made my day. I laughed and got a great idea for dust collection. Thank you!

[@FishersShop]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jlee353]

Love the videos. Especially the outtakes. It is good to see that I am not alone in making some of the mistakes.

[@michaelstuart5207]

I like your videos. But I enjoy your person critique at the end the most !

[@s4nari]

This made my day. Looking forward to enjoying your builds and videos.

[@jag0627]

Good innovation. Love the bloopers. Thanks

[@FishersShop]

Glad you like them!

[@macintosh3990]

First, I really love those out-takes !!!! Second, I have the exact miter saw and was really surprised by how well it collected dust out of the box in the first place. Your method of math was ingenious , thanks.

[@FishersShop]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jameswebb9738]

I’m about ready to start on something similar to what you made. Miter saw dust collection is a nightmare!!

[@DIYBuilds]

Great experiments. Thanks.

[@FishersShop]

Thanks!

[@jimmysiniawski7391]

The blooper are as fun as the comments Thanks for the ideas .gives a new place to stare the scraps I've been saving in the form of a dust chute. Lol

[@petem6503]

Excellent presentation. There is a more generic capture technique, that will approach 100%: frame an enclosure to create barriers on the two sides and the "ceiling" (above the saw); cover the three sides of the frame with plastic cloth (clear is best), and simply exhaust the area around the back of the MS. (Note the back surface is the wall of the shop) I've found this both quite effective and also fits virtually any saw choice.

[@FishersShop]

Just too big for my taste.

[@lacarpenter31]

​@@FishersShop"That's what she said". Me too. I have the same model saw and have been puzzling over this problem for 2 years. Really happy YT put this in my feed today. Back to the shop.

[@brianjennings3172]

Even without your commentary the videos are great but your commentary makes them spectacular, keep up the good work and great ideas, definitely enjoying your videos. Man you have some strange neighbors, hopefully no one's taking your comments seriously!!

[@stanmashek3085]

thank you you do some amazing builds

[@maz_mtb3266]

Worked well and looks good!

[@MrBBPrinter]

Few people will show the "goofs" along the way - Thanks. Excellent work and funny too.

[@FishersShop]

Glad you liked it

[@terranempire725]

Great video. Thanks for the ideas and solid testing. Greatly appreciated.

[@joco4488]

Ok, love the main video, but the out takes were even better.....I'm not alone in my self induced mistakes, yes!

[@jannld]

Don’t call yourself an idiot (end of the video), your are a genius! Thanks for sharing.

[@jessewatts1377]

Awesome stuff. I’m trying to tackle my dust problems now. Favorite line hands down…….I borrowed this scale from neighbor who has a meth lab. Just caught me off guard lol

[@Mike_In_Idaho]

Excellent idea, great experiment, love your humor, and the outtakes were awesome!! Subscribed :D

[@psguardian]

At 8:26 you can see the paper weight is .18oz. Always zero out container weights. So subtracting that from your results: .53/.74 = 72% Stock Bag .63/.74 = 85% Shop Vac .67/.74 = 91% Duct Tape .70/.74 = 95% Custom Your improvement vs the other three methods is actually a better spread than you had thought. 22% over stock, 10% over shop vac, still 4% over duct tape. Less dust is less dust, worth the effort in most cases.

[@kathleenbasieiwcz4636]

Loved your video. Looks like all the mistakes I would have made also. Great humor to go with it.

[@ziggyy905]

Never watched any of your videos before, but enjoyed this. Subscribed

[@Recipro1]

Have saw positioned at a window and all the dust goes out the window when another window has a fan blowing into the room. Winter is a little cold at times.

[@nevyn6071]

The most important dust to catch is the fine stuff we breath in. Could you do the same tests and sift the caught dust and possibly try a 60 tooth blade versus a 35 tooth blade to see if it makes much difference.

[@scottkriskie8535]

Great video!! I enjoyed the humor, and then when you flipped the bench over, I had to subscribe, well between that and the meth scale. 🤣

[@AdamKirbyMusic]

I need to make this. Even with a vacuum connected to my miter saw's dust port it just spews dust everywhere.

[@mookeythepimpthompson6031]

Lunch and recess 😂😂😂 subbed 👍

[@alexandercommander]

Subscribed for the commentary

[@Rage-of-War]

So damn entertaining, the neighbors meth lab, the self deprecating comments on the blooper reel .... ha ha ha love it!!!!

[@gregglouis2969]

Lmao. Love the video. The outtakes were awesome

[@FishersShop]

Glad to hear it!

[@mellkuhn3478]

the out takes make me feel more normal

[@McClimber234]

That is an awesome saw.....I don't have one 😔

[@thomasmarliere2505]

Thanks for sharing, it’s a very interesting build and experiment. I think you can stop calling yourself « stupid » or « idiot » 😉

[@endrestadaudun]

you are a funny guy. and you make good diys ;) 10/10

[@edomingox]

NOICE!!!

[@ShortysCreativeCorner]

Love it nice work

[@paulvolkmann2979]

The duct tape method might be improved by taking it as low as you can. Is there a way to make your shroud turn with the saw?

[@sicksin]

Why did you not also put another hose with an y-connector to the standard dust collector port?

[@FishersShop]

Would have reduced suction in the shroud by 50%. Plus, virtually no dust makes it above the shroud.

[@lawrencemay8671]

Informative and can laugh at himself👻

[@MNDeezy]

"I borrowed the scale from my neighbor's Meth Lab." LMFAO "Hidey-ho there tweakerino"

[@frameriteairdrie578]

I'm only commenting to fiddle with the KZbin algorithm bot, so it will think this video is even more popular.

[@dcrisp1970]

You are funny... Good video.

[@psedach]

Loved it - "instantly make my mistakes permanent" great 🤣🤣🤣

[@willyzook]

Yes!! lol

[@aarondcmedia9585]

Gluing it to the saw was inspired. Thanks for the outtakes and the embedded humour and the final result. Great stuff.

[@jasonsilva4219]

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[@galamonkey]

It’s 9:40pm on Saturday night. I’m watching a guy weigh sawdust on KZbin.

[@OlleErikssonL]

The realization just hit me! ;)

[@impactajuvenile]

Are you his neighbor? Did he bring back your scale?

[@megano.1169]

@@impactajuvenile 🤣🤣🤣

[@benpedersen360]

Dude! Me too!

[@TheJcdm327]

What else can you do during quarantine? I've watched the entire Big Bang Theory series 10 times.

[@Fixthisbuildthat]

Dude, this is a great solution for 90 degrees! Well done!

[@FishersShop]

Thanks Brad! 😀

[@gurshaanbasra3639]

@@FishersShop what about angles?

[@christianscustoms6429]

@@gurshaanbasra3639 watch the video

[@gurshaanbasra3639]

@@christianscustoms6429 sorry I don't know why I ever wrote the comment

[@colez4651]

“I borrowed the scale from my neighbors meth lab”. I subbed 😂

[@CrzBoarder]

Gold!

[@ReggieWarner]

Wish he would bring it back now, got some "customers" waiting..... :)

[@colez4651]

Reggie Warner 😂😂

[@chrisusher1356]

Same...

[@2shoestoo]

Holy contraption great job👍🏻 meth lab scale ha!

[@JustJimWillDo]

While watching, I was like, "He's lucky he isn't gluing that box to the table of the mitre saw." And then came the out-takes! 😂

[@MarkTurnbull]

I thought, "I'd have glued it to the saw if I tried that." Glad I'm not alone

[@Conservator.]

3:50 “Using a square I can hold things at 90° and then I hit it with some activator to instantly make all my mistakes permanent” 5:30 “. . . and then proceeded to get glue all over my table saw” 6:18 “ . . . and then after several years of filing I was able to turn that circle into an oval“ Lol 😂

[@stephanstephan6185]

Man I've seen some huge dust collection cabinets that almost fully enclose the back half of the saw. Really only good for a permanent mount and a non portable saw. In any case, the difference in massive amounts of material and time would only serve to close that 4% gap in collection. Your little doodad takes the cake. Simple, cheap, removable, and it allows the saw to remain portable. Nicely finnessed solution buddy. Good on Ya!

[@FishersShop]

You got it exactly Stephan! Thanks!

[@basacis]

I was surprised that the standard bag everyone throws out is actually 77% effective to begin with.

[@eyefixityouification]

Trust me it's only that effective when it's empty, as it fills the percentages go way down but you're right "how do they get the caramel in the chocolate bar?"🤔

[@daryld8901]

Yes it does but it also then takes up more real estate on the bench it is mounted to. When I built my cut bench for the slider, vacum sucks from the bottom and I made it 12ft to the left of the blade and 4 ft to the right and tall enough to roll my workbench/assembly table underneath out of the way when I need room for finishing. The space between the wall and the mitersaw fence is perfect for 12x18 storage boxes for screws and hardware items and I added 2 4ft x 9" lids with piano hinges for a 4.5 inch tall x 20 inch deep storage area under the trays. By setting it up this way I gained alot of storage in the 4 drawers I have under my portable workbench.

[@InstinctBassin]

On the Ryobi 12" sliding mitre saw, it's about -20% effective.

[@bassrun101]

@@InstinctBassin Garry not Linda. Any piece of Ryobi stuff is only 20% effective! I bought one and after 2 days of trying to get it to cut the last 1/4" of a board without actually filing off the stop or drilling new mounting holes for the fence and get some kind of efficiency out of the chip collection chute I took it back. Not my first piece of poorly made Ryobi equipment but definitely my last.

[@closequarters4575]

@@InstinctBassin -20% lol

[@ThirdCoastCraftsman]

you didnt happen to make an extra one did you? awesome video drew!

[@FishersShop]

Thanks Chris. Yeah actually I did haha. You want one?

[@thomasbrown938]

@@FishersShop .....i.....i want one!

[@johnwurst6691]

A woodworker with a sense of humour doing a scientific project. Well done mate. Now I know I'm not alone....

[@paulsanders4929]

My thoughts too John, there are some more woodwork and tool nerds!

[@Ucisneros]

Woodworking, science, math, and humor!?! Great video, keep it up.

[@EllisDesignandTradeCo]

I have the exact same saw and this collection issue has been driving me insane for years. I now have a solution! Thank you so much for allowing us to pick your brain, subbed for more videos about your neighbors meth lab!

[@LykMike]

Almost spit my drink everywhere when he said "borrowed it from my neighbor's Meth lab" lol!

[@ThatGeekyMaker]

Your videos, your craftsmanship, and your sense of humor are terrific!

[@FishersShop]

Thanks so much. :)

[@thinusenslin]

Exactly my problem. Same saw, sam dust problem. Thx for the idea 👍🏻

[@CraigHollabaugh]

Thanks for the excellent explanation and the outtakes! They show you make the same dumb mistakes as the rest of us.

[@EmptyMind32]

Removing the weight of the paper would get you 75%, 85%, 91%, and 95% respectively.

[@theloniousm4337]

Thats true but the cyclone isn't collecting 100% of the dust going up the vac tube - with a bit going into the vac filter. How much I don't know.

[@LORENIFFT68]

I thought so too, but he puts a piece of paper under the piece of wood when he weighs it so not so much.

[@davidanderson1060]

The mass of the paper is 0.64oz, so its a significant portion of each measurement. if you subtract that from each measurement then find the percentage, you see that there's a significant difference in the dust collection percentages: 25% for bag, 61% for Vac only, 75% for Duct tape mod, 86% for Drew's solution

[@jasonjohnson3282]

@@davidanderson1060 It looks like the scale registers 0.18 oz for the paper at 8:25 right before he puts the wood on the scale. Standard 20lb stock printer paper weighs about 0.16oz per sheet. Though he might be using adhesive paper, which weighs 0.18oz per sheet. Adhesive paper is commonly used for crafts and woodworking templates, so it's reasonable to assume that the 0.18 oz registered on the scale is accurate. So the block actually weighs 0.74, and the dust collected from the bag, shop vac, duct tape mod, and custom attachment weigh 0.53 oz; 0.63 oz; 0.67 oz; and 0.7 oz, respectively. 0.53 / 0.74 = 71.62% 0.63 / 0.74 = 85.14% 0.67 / 0.74 =90.54% 0.70 / 0.74 = 94.60%

[@ohjoannabanana]

I came here for the woodworking, and I am staying for the jokes. Love your sense of humor. 👍😜

[@ArmyVet76]

I just upgraded to the same model Bosch a few months ago. Love it and I might try your dust boot to see if I can screw it up more than I have with my failed attempts at different ones.👍🏼

[@bansheeindahouz7594]

"I instantly make all my mistakes permanent." I could not stop laughing 🤣😂

[@ChaseGatyas]

I was cracking up at that too.

[@billclancy4913]

I really enjoy the bloopers...we all make them, and they all sound the same! :)

[@frankjenkins2668]

Your videos are always educational, enjoyable and entertaining. I can see myself in all of your "out takes!" Thanks for all you do for all of us!

[@FishersShop]

Thanks, Frank!

[@gmpsandw]

Thanks to this video I started my own meth lab so I could have a scale too.....

[@johnfrazier9327]

OMG thanks for bloopers. As soon as I saw "glued it to the saw" I LOL pretty hard. Thanks for sharing your pain. As somebody who had been testing a lot of solutions, I'd love to see your take on bandsaw dust collection. They may be more unruly than miters.

[@richardmorano9976]

As a retired mechanical tech, I love the weighing test. Best way to evaluate your different configurations.

[@danfuller2713]

Your outtakes sound like they were recorded in my shop!

[@garygilbert1440]

Great video and well done. Wish more people put in the outtakes...make it more realistic.

[@Smex9680]

Your funny, think I will try that with my saw since I have the same one. Keep up the funny informative videos. Thanks.

[@kevinbowker2385]

LOL! "Instantly male all my mistakespermanent"!!! I enjoy your projects and your dry sense of humor.

[@FishersShop]

Hehe, thanks Kevin

[@braydenbabinec8250]

I like his "borrowed the neighbors scale from their meth lab" bit

[@jonyoung3677]

Well I loved your ideal of taking plywood from your neighbors dog after they went to work and use his scale from his meth house lmbo love your videos keep up the routine you make my toes ache with all the laughter and my brain starts to hurt as well

[@tiffanyhackerspace8377]

Yep, "disassembling the neighbors dog house after they went to work" was the one I subbed with!! Fabulous sense of humor, so much fun :-)

[@jshobe4114]

Loved the last outtake. Watching you using the CA glue throughout this video I kept thinking "What skill this man has because I would have surely glued pieces to my saw doing it that way". Haha, I was right!!!!

[@rogerpemberton79]

The outtakes are priceless. They sound like me when I don't pay attention. 😂

[@coreycantrell1627]

“I borrowed this scale from my neighbors meth lab” dear god I died lol

[@YDENbluffynation]

I should've watch this just a bit earlier, cuz I sent my entire day making my stupid version of dust collect box which seems to not working at all. And I have to say that the mathmatical approach that you have done is by far the most impressive(persuasive) on woodworking video. Amazing job man.

[@FishersShop]

Thanks a bunch! Glad you liked it

[@mcorrade]

thank you for this. Mine has to be the dustiest tool in my garage

[@stephendeese97]

GREAT video! I love the scientific approach! Also.. very funny: 03:54 "Then I hit with activator to instantly make all my mistakes permanent..." 07:34 " I borrowed the scale from my neighbors meth lab..."

[@davidanderson1060]

Drew, there was a mistake in your measurement methodology...your dust collection is wayyyy better than you calculated! Assuming you're using 20lb paper, the sheet of paper weighs 0.64oz (20lbs divided by 500 sheets). This means that the mass of the paper is a significant portion of your dust measurement. It needs to be subtracted before finding the percent of dust that you collected. If you subtract the 0.64oz from each measurement then find the percentage, you see that there's a significant difference in the dust collection percentages: 25% for bag, 61% for Vac only, 75% for Duct tape mod, 86% for your solution.

[@koos42]

There is actually a frame where you can see the weight of a piece of the paper that was used, it's .18oz (OMG, what a cheapskate!). I saw that I've commented the nearly the same thing, I got measurements of 71%, 85%, 91%, 95%; respective to the order presented in the video.

[@joes6088]

He put the half inch block on a sheet of paper on the scales so the weights are all relative.

[@watchme4514]

Joe S but with 5 cuts he would need 5 sheets of paper for it to truly be equal.

[@PaulSmith-oy8xp]

Absolutely - perfect combination of information and (really clever) entertaining dialog. Well done!