Fishing For Perfection: Cosmetic Surgery For Your Pet Fish? | CNA Insider

[@Jynxes]

The eye was a genuine problem. The other surgeries were purely cosmetic and unnecessary.

[@Lambo6fo]

Eyes arnt a problem. A fish can live it's entire life with dropeye.

[@andromedaquasar1547]

The fat will be there again and again....means surgery???its just like a grass cut off...money cut off...

[@sabingurung4736]

@@andromedaquasar1547 they could give balance diet for that

[@alexgnav2515]

@@Lambo6fo Imagine if you couldn't look up, the drop eye surgery is to help the fish see better

[@williamlan8128]

Lambo6fo if u have an arowana cost more 1000usd u will finally know

[@prathification]

Looked really painful tho, the eye fat trim, but well idk

[@liv8447]

Fish are not vegetables! They do feel pain and it has been proven. www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2018/05/24/scientists-say-fish-feel-pain-it-could-lead-to-major-changes-in-the-fishing-industry/?noredirect=on&.f594f02e5f59

[@liv8447]

Yes they do so with a substance that would kill the fish in too high doses and only temporarily works. The only reason they do this is to make it so the fish cant move and "flinch" away during the procedure out of pain and fear.. not to numb its pain. After the effects wear off the fish feels EVERYTHING. They literally feel their eyelids being cut off... if someone doesnt see anything wrong with that then that person is quite sick in the head.

[@johnappice4619]

no they dont youre wrong

[@liv8447]

Lol nice try. I am vegan.

[@liv8447]

Well unlike you I dont hate you. I will never understand people tho that feel the need to justify their actions of putting animals in pain for no justifiable reason. If the animal has a medical condition its of course justified but for something as disgusting as a beauty standard? Its like you probably (hopefully) understand deep down that needlessly putting a being that has a brain and a nervous system in pain is really wrong.. but you feel the need to comment here because you want to defend your wrong doings at all costs. People sadly will always find their excuses it seems

[@youngz13o]

Soooooo.... I can tell most of the people commenting "poor fish" dont know much about fish care and are thinking of the arowana like a pet dog. Just want to share my opinion and ask those people to be a little more open minded. 1. Drop eye - imagine your eye had a growth behind it that was making your eye bulge out. 2. Splitting the fin cartilage - does it hurt when you cut your finger nails? 3. Removing malformed scaling - probably the most "unnecessary" procedure but.. even the doctor cant say for sure fish feel pain the same way we do. Also keep into mind the asian culture that reveres these animals for their beauty. They also spend thousands on these fish and care for these animals on a daily basis. Thanks for reading!

[@TY-br6mf]

Matthew Ng insightful comment👍

[@kteztum5139]

This, + drop eye may cause total lost of eyeball, which almost every time end with infection leading to death.

[@Shanshan12988]

THANK YOU

[@briannaharter4411]

I'm saying poor fish cause they did the drop eye surgery wrong and didn't use enough atheistic. When properly athestized they should not move or flop around.the fish is still awake when they started cutting meaning fish felt them cutting it's which is painful.plus the fish can really hurt themselves freaking out like that and snap their own back or damage their swim bladder.plus the stress can make them go on a feeding strike till they starve to death.

[@11ozzielover]

Because nothing has ever suffered just to be perceived as beautiful

[@gregxcoree]

His eyes looked 100% better after the precedure. that was some bad drop eye

[@rath7556]

I just think about that guy who’s grandma ate his arowana

[@TheCookieINCtv]

it’s funny all these people say it is cruel are the ones who keep goldfish in bowls..

[@williamlan8128]

Yeah

[@theskeletonboi]

@@user-uk2gd2zu9b Plants don't have feelings, don't be ignorant. Lot's of articles and media take these legitimate studies, then twist them to say things like "plants have feelings". You may read the actual scientific publishings yourself if you like, but don't spread lies.

[@theskeletonboi]

​@@user-uk2gd2zu9b You absolute idiot, I read the actual scientific published pieces myself back when they came out. Learn basic biology. First off, plants don't even have a nervous system to feel pain. Second, their sensory neurons are not pain receptors, so even if they somehow evolved a nervous system, they can't experience pain. For comparison, things that can feel pain, have "nociceptors", they are programmed to experience pain. Plants have a thing called "mechanoreceptors", much like the name implies, it acts like a mechanical gate to trigger various events. Complex combinations and variations of these neurons can perform the actions you speak of, and all without the need for a nervous system. Third, response to stimuli does not require a brain. If response to stimuli means pain to you, rigging a transistor to a light emitting diode means circuits can feel pain. The electrical impulse reactions that take place in plants is caused by a very primitive method called depolarization. It's an elementary biological mechanism. The research was performed by Professor Daniel Chamovitz. You may check out all of his publications. Most of these dummy articles you read probably didn't even directly source Professor Chamovitz, and thus the game of telephone and misinformation begins. In-fact, to quote Daniel: "No. I refuse to use the word cognition. We have no understanding of what cognition is. None whatsoever. Plants are not cognizant. When we cut a leaf, we assume that the plant is suffering. But that's our own anthropomorphism about what's going on." The very man who published his findings on plants ability to feel, said it himself. Now stop being ignorant you fool. ( Edit: Forgot to post a great link to find his publishings: en-lifesci.tau.ac.il/profile/dannyc )

[@theskeletonboi]

@@user-uk2gd2zu9b I simply despise the uneducated. The United States has such a great educational system, and people like you choose to not use those resources. You are placed at the same level as a Flat Earther. I completely destroyed you with your own source. I am the uneducated one? Please point out a fallacy whether it's logical or fact. Please provide a proper argument, or leave, your crying is emberassing to say the least.

[@theskeletonboi]

@@user-uk2gd2zu9b Are you going to reply with a proper argument, or keep crying like a baby? HAHA

[@ericadiaz1357]

Well as long as it doesn't affect the fish negatively afterwards, I guess its ok.

[@RagingMillenial024]

If you eat fish. Dont bother commenting on how crule this may be.

[@ausintune9014]

Raging millennial at least the fish I eat is dead and not alive feeling pain

[@proudricefarmer4700]

Ausintune it probably died of suffocation which is worst then this surgery

[@aethermaxispocasangre236]

Yea

[@satancat2907]

I like how you edited your comment but still didn't spell "cruel" right

[@arandomlife7151]

LMFAOO

[@virgilio6349]

Eye surgery: If not dobe can lead to loss of eye and death. "B-But it was moving!" The doctor touched a vein, it was an unvoluntary nervious response, like when they hit you on the knee. Fin enlargement: Like cutting your nails. Scale removal: Nothing compared to scale damage in a natural enviorment

[@marcellalexander6806]

1975: there will be flying cars 2019: fish surgery

[@creamacid9417]

Omg thats the most beautiful arowana ive ever seen those cost 3500$ online.

[@winter2372]

Cost around 1000-3000$ dollars here depending on the colors

[@gvue4396]

They didn't show the sedation, but the fish are sedated before hand. That's why it doesn't jump during surgery

[@ohhgeelahsial4283]

"Surgery on a fish" Seriously?

[@cravingsugar5871]

"Plastic Surgery on humans" Seriously?

[@itslina713]

I agree but some are for health reasons but this is unesscesery (Yup spelt that wrong...)

[@johnappice4619]

youre wrong arowana drop eye is serious could cause infection and not being able to eat

[@sparraw5603]

Craving Sugar the fat can cover their eyes and literally make them blind, being unable to eat

[@oghydro5129]

Not just a fish. $1k to $150k fish

[@rodrigolara6733]

Maybe it should have done in small parts. Not all at once. Is like someone removes a deformed teeth on a person. It hurts but it will feel better after a while. Having a teeth pulled, a deformed finger cut, and nose surgery all at the same time can be to much. Same for a fish. If one is fixing a deformed scale why stress the fish and also mess with it's eyes. If the eyes need fixing then do the eyes and leave the deformed scales for later. To much at once can actually cause the fish to over stress and be more prone to infections and diseases in my opinion. Ofcourse it is also a bit cruel to slice it's fins. He did put some medication so maybe that helped the fish feel less pain.

[@hoticeisnice1354]

RODRIGO LARA This guy gets it, good job!

[@clamskaboo5120]

Those who say that they are hurting the fish and that this is animal abuse, it is not. The procedure with removing the fat from behind the eye is actually quite serious. The condition is called drop eye and is quite common, especially with bettas. I believe that it is caused when the fish keeps having to look down for food. Go to King pf DIY if you don’t believe me.

[@haylnanna5575]

What about the fins and scales?

[@GottaGoFastr]

@@haylnanna5575 Fin splitting is use to make the fin wider and stronger for the fish. The scale is like a needle poking at you so it kind of neccessary.

[@kevinsean1520]

I don't understand why you seem to be supporting this practice.. It looks cruel..

[@turtletube1392]

Kevin Sean key word. Looks

[@raiyantyrone5132]

They don't feel pain

[@GirlsDoPhilosophy]

jocko jonson Drop eye doesn’t make them suffer. It’s normal. This is cosmetic surgery, not medical.

[@johnappice4619]

soupylegs No it’s not normal Doesn’t have in the wild, and can lead to the fish losing it eye, next

[@somepersonwhoistryingtobec1114]

jocko jonson yes, if done improperly

[@jacobjuan]

I don't understand why people think surgery on pets are normal but abnormal on fish?? It is helping that fish, if the eyes keep dropping, it would be unable to look up and eat things, also the perfect scale and fins are better for their health due to making it harder for the parasites to attach on. By the way, the fish can feel more confident by these changes. And and and, the fish was paralyzed during the surgery! And it is not hurting its inner organs, it was only removing the extra fat behind the eyes !!!

[@JennieC.]

Is he a vet?

[@nathans5766]

I don't think the fish will get parasites in a cuboid tank that just has water you idiots

[@DankDaHerbalist]

That was insane. Looked a bit painful with eye surgery but ill be damned if that fish did not look better. Alsonthe scale pulling kinda whatever the fins where small afterwards looked great!!

[@GSThai]

This is cruel. Not sure why you give a platform to folks who are clearly mutilating fish.

[@GSThai]

jocko jonson obviously a fake troll account. It’s cruel and you know it

[@cindi9935]

gordon you mean it's not necessary to ask that doctor?

[@GSThai]

Think most of the general public believe the same as me

[@johnappice4619]

I watch one video an is a expert in arowana care lmao dumb bitch

[@johnappice4619]

Can’t believe you would want a fish to suffer and starve how nice

[@valmerpower]

This is just straight animal abuse for human's amusement.

[@huhwhat7527]

it doesnt need tp use it's fins much anyways since they do not need to travel far distances nor hunt

[@turtletube1392]

Drop eye is a real condition

[@valmerpower]

Turtle Tube and anesthetic is a real treatment

[@turtletube1392]

well for no pain or flopping which will further injure the fish, yes

[@johnappice4619]

You’re slow

[@kokczejhin1177]

There’s a reason for the tail to be that way, splitting the tail will affect the movement of the fish! It will have to use more energy just to move! Poor fish 😢

[@GottaGoFastr]

Fin splitting is an old school technique that make the fish fin bigger and wider. It will grow back really fast.

[@JWu-jt7fz]

Hmm sounds fishy.

[@Chris-tk9hy]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@KimboCo]

So like I know this is wrong and all, but I don’t think people realize the arowana (the fish that got surgery) can be worth more than a nice car

[@johnappice4619]

The amount of ignorance in this comment section is baffling

[@proudricefarmer4700]

jocko jonson your correct. This comment section is about people who think the world is all hugs and kisses and say THIS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL THIS IS CRUEL. They clearly don’t know anything about drop eye, it’s triggering to see all the *this is cruel* comments.

[@yxx260]

I either read the comments and replies wrong or I am looking at the wrong comment section. Because nobody ever uses the word COSMETIC (Like in the title of the video)

[@seth1571]

Im a skilled fish keeper for 3 years, clearly knowing more knowledge then these ignorant people, just seeing this comment section makes me cringe.

[@snekk77gaming70]

yeah most of em are stupid 7 year olds with some goldfish in bowls

[@iloveuwayvmuch9285]

Drop eye was an actually problem but the rest aren't

[@theprisonbottle3832]

for all those people who think this isn't ethical, just look at our fast food chains and reconsider.

[@intrikatekennels]

Half the people commenting "poor fish" had fish for dinner tonight lol

[@meganmusic]

This is so gross, taking out the scales and cutting the fat from the eye just because of looks?! Seriously this is definitely cruelty

[@iwanttodie9474]

Megan Liang they dont feel pain

[@lisamanalo6142]

I Want To Die what if they lose their eyesight?

[@iwanttodie9474]

Max Caulfield There are risks to everything. You are at risk of falling when you run. That's why you get a professional to perform the surgery, to minimise the chances.

[@turtletube1392]

Drop eye is a real condition to be fixed tho.

[@yourmother6487]

The eye was necessary as too much fat might damage the fish's eyes. The others were just for cosmetic and looks which is unnecessary.

[@kirank7105]

That wasn't fat they were extraocular muscles... It was really badly done..

[@Cleeon]

The real problem is the aquarium too small and too many fish inside

[@paulk7769]

Customer:I want a surgery cus I have a broken arm Doctor: sure 1 hour later Doctor: I've removed your nails and split your fingers in half sir

[@65FullMoon83]

The vet means regulated so people will be forced to use an expensive vet who'll charge their owners an exhorbitant amount amount of money $$$ for these simple cosmetic procedures.

[@hayminim]

Hi sir, my arowana eye is blurry. Not swimming much, and the top of fish is floating out of the water . What could be the problem.

[@surprise5577]

*LET THE FISH BE ITSELF-* WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE PERFECT?!?!?--

[@sparraw5603]

Authumn Acw IT'S SUFFERING FROM DROP EYE AND CAN'T SEE PROPERLY, WHICH MAY RESULT IT IN NOT EATING AND DYING

[@psyion6447]

Snacchie Gae damn youre dumb kid

[@natsudragneel1142]

Najj's just like you :D

[@Shanshan12988]

i dont know, maybe because it costs thousands of dollars so getting treatment for its eye that is also expensive is important???

[@Shanshan12988]

natsu dragneel wow what a meaningful argument

[@randomvids6546]

Mother Nature: Here is a beautiful non artificial fish that is made as perfect as possible Humans: Ok **proceeds to make better fish** Mother Nature:

[@sgull4953]

Random Vids mother nature : am i a joke to you?

[@heinricklucena8704]

When he removed the scale it was so satisfying

[@kauri1615]

I think we all ask ourselves and I quote “how did I get to this video”🤨

[@malayan500tiger]

Cosmetic is unnecessary pain for the fish.

[@sparraw5603]

GEEZ people complaining about how cruel it is. It's not. Would you rather let your fish's sickness continue and watch it suffer or drug your fish momentarily so it doesn't feel any pain and cure it from its sickness so it can see and actually eat

[@happyliferay]

I got my eye bag removed so I see nothing wrong about this.

[@sarahthompson5082]

People spend thousands of dollars on surgeries for their hairy mutts they bought for under $3k. THESE fish, the Super Red Arowana, are worth up to $10k or more, so the operation is worth it.

[@yjk_rk]

People who are angry in the comment section are only 1 sided these surgeries are also beneficial to the fish you guys will only understand when you are hobbyists like me

[@Asldfsijasd]

we should try the procedure to the surgeon

[@christinafrei1788]

Everyone: complaining about the surgery Me: What the hell... why is someone from Asia wearing a shirt from the national soccer team from Germany? 😂 🇩🇪

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

I think the same. Perhaps he is a fan of the national German team who knows

[@damontan4749]

Why the fuck not it’s just a jersey

[@shayne2464]

why are so many people making a big deal? it's anyways the owner of the fish choice... don't make a big deal, just click away lor

[@sureshsteven8669]

yoooo... u brought a plumber to do a veterinarians job. The pain the fish going through... that's just sadistic.

[@Julian-ye8pu]

That arowona was perfect the way it was

[@GottaGoFastr]

You obviously don't keep fish...

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

Yes I keep fish and i find it cruel how other fishkeepers treat thier fish, poor littel thinks :(

[@isabeljuarez6225]

The eye was ok but why the hell would you make him go through all that pain to make him 'beutiuful'

[@hippohippo226]

You thick? The fish drugged up

[@DeletedAcc-fv9zg]

How is this fish abuse yall dont make sense

[@paochicken]

ayooo wassupp roll like a buffalo the drop eye surgery i can understand but, the fin enlargement is unnecessary.

[@ratmaster5]

Wa Vang it’s a fish lmao

[@paochicken]

ratmaster5 some people will also say, its just a dog. Or just a cat. Who really cares, right?

[@ratmaster5]

Wa Vang dogs and cats are different fish can’t think they just want to survive dogs and cats have emotions

[@paochicken]

ratmaster5 lol. Dogs and cats are different. Lmao. Thats a good one

[@4coolkidz91]

This is not cruel arowana that gets drop eye are hard to fix specially asian arowana where is rare to get so stop telling its abuse

[@paochicken]

4 Cool Kidz the fin enlargement is purely cosmetic

[@4coolkidz91]

I agree to that point where if they cant keep the arowana in proper condition dont keep one but we are talking about the doctor here

[@Shanshan12988]

Um is there proof they are not cared for properly? ur just making assumptions. In this world there are people who love fish keeping a lot and they care for this beautiful creatures very well. Drop eye is a condition that makes it a struggle for the fish to look up. "Cosmetic surgery" isnt gonna kill it obviously and it isnt getting in the way of it living. For goodness sake it lives in a tank were it is fed well. These creatures are extremely expensive so only idiots would not care for it well. Why buy a few thousand dollar fish only to not care for it well? thats dumb.

[@4coolkidz91]

Drop eye is not gonna kill the arowana but its going to hard a have a hard time looking fir food

[@4coolkidz91]

I care about the fish i rrally care about it literally im palnning to buy a adian arowana thats why im training on a silver first and before the silver arowana i started with a flowerhorn

[@JYYB]

Damn this guy doesn’t know how to take care of this arowana properly. If he did the fish wouldn’t have so much fat on top the the eyes. Feeding the fish to much and not caring about it’s intake can cause that problem. I heard stories about CS on fishes but watching this... whole new level. 😣

[@bad_vaporizer]

What this guy did is better for the fish. All complainers need to stop littering on beaches and protest fish nets in the ocean before saying anything about this vet.

[@dewakardewakar1241]

This is really crazy why people are getting crazy at doing some abnormal things

[@k24510]

How to cure the cloudy eye problem to my flowerhorn first fish sir?

[@zoyafull8412]

Well... i think every beings that have "brain", do feel pain, like we mamals do

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

Yes of corse they feel pain, it was scientifically proven. Just google it

[@rockonmyfriend]

That’s so interesting, can they see just fine afterwards?

[@Iguana5k]

Meh, I think if you want perfection in a fish you should breed for it. Thats why koi fish sometimes look as if they were drawn by an artist.

[@snekk77gaming70]

Most koi are culled because they have unwanted traits and only like 10% of the koi are remaining after culling that's how you end up with the ones with the cool pattern ,the surgery is for the arowana's benefit.Ignorant assholes

[@Yung_Hefty]

The scale removal is just cruel. That would be like tearing a toe nail off. Lol Just leave the fish alone.

[@yujinyang4476]

The Real J.R. No, it was painful.

[@buffster007]

People getting mad at this man but not mad at people gutting fish and chopping its head off when it’s still alive. 😂

[@jaybui7506]

Just like human have the fat eyelid tissue removed. So just chill people!

[@JhunDumsTVXj]

Thanks for sharing idol. I try this to my silver arowana soon.

[@sadfish6293]

What.

[@sadfish6293]

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[@sophiaricci5561]

I think I'm going to stop eating fish after this video

[@awiereymi1405]

Hi, do u have service in penang

[@polarspirit]

Humans going for double eye lid surgery is ethical. Fish eye surgery is not ethical. Great

[@DL-ri2ps]

People can sign agreement before surgery, but fish can’t. Haha

[@4coolkidz91]

People commenting that this is cruel probably keeps a betta in a 1 gallon bowl

[@arandomlife7151]

People be saying its curel and unecessary but cosmetic surgery on a human is also unecessary like well shit they will have benefits and so do stupid people that arent happy with they looks

[@theforge4591]

We care about our arowana than our wives, especially the super red one

[@mckenlykaulback4272]

Leave the fish the way it was

[@aliramirezruiz3481]

A Japanese dude saying that it's unethical to treat a fish like that when they're one of the last countries still permitting whale hunting, when it's one of the most cruel things ever.

[@euneile6927]

Why noob fish keepers keeps on commenting?

[@madisonboyd7992]

I was hoping the eyeball would fall out haha

[@RayMak]

Ouch

[@averagefreedomenjoyer3427]

Ouch

[@meraki3116]

I see people who doesnt like people who comments poor fish. But in reality it is sad for that fish. 1stly i was fine with it. Then i fucking realized it wasnt sedated! What in the fuck.

[@chair6180]

Confinement (often solitary) isn't enough. Occasional surgical abuse is necessary. We have come a long way, fellow human.

[@thebuddha4208]

If this is necessary for the well-being of this fish then I guess it’s OK but if you’re doing it just so it looks Better to you than what the fuck

[@gabriellim9729]

Nicholas Pilto well as a matter of fact it’s necessary to the well-being of the fish so

[@jamqc24]

the scale extraction was satisfying af

[@student9516]

will the drop eye correction make the arowana blind or harm the eye?

[@proudricefarmer4700]

Arsena no, drop eye makes the arowana almost blind, the correction helps it

[@ramabangera3350]

in this video itself you have proof that fish feel pain .. when he was touching eye nerve fish felt pain !!!

[@cb250nighthawk3]

So, cosmetic surgery on humans ain't ethical?

[@ottonormalverbraucher7835]

But an animal cant decide to go thro this. humans can decide they want his

[@sr-hd3bz]

its sad how many people dont know anything about fish keeping and all of sudden become expert on fish surgery. This isnt cruel it is same thing as doing surgery on dog the fish on traumatized these guys fish are worth thousends he wouldnt do anything that would hurt the fish or put him as bad

[@virtualpedestrian3271]

Tbh I feel bad when he cut something on its eye

[@nightwing6925]

They were on anesthesia (well fish anesthesia). Also the cutting of the fins make it bigger but I still think this is stupid

[@jogelk9180]

They cost about 1000 to 2000 $ in case you didnt understand

[@eythevv01]

i wonder how numb in eye area that fish was, anyway, thats fucked up, but its Asia, im not surprised.

[@summer0595]

Will this help the fish or is it just for looks?

[@GottaGoFastr]

Both, it will benefit the fish and it will look good in the process...

[@autumnrainmcdowell7989]

Of all the things in the world for people to get upset about people choose to get angry over this.

[@MsVegaslasv]

Do they at LEAST put some sort of PAIN KILLER in their HOSPITAL TANKS?? If not that's cruel. They have to make sure they aren't hurting.

[@isabelle1964]

1:17 this is the pain killer

[@proudricefarmer4700]

Fish have nerves by tmot the pain nerve, their is no pain is fish 😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@Shanshan12988]

You know what would be great, if the doctor clarified the point of the procedures so the majority of us can shutup

[@aurieusn4679]

Lets see how the owners feel when we hit a nerve when removing their fat . 😀

[@gabriellim9729]

Pug Fighter2000 well if they’re on anaesthesia I’m not sure they’re going to feel anything

[@genevievetan765]

Humans also cut fat out of their eyes for double eyelids

[@Hufi2.]

Maybe some pain meds? I saw them in another fish surgery video, tumor removal surgery.

[@A-G-F-]

Fishes dont feel pain people, it may be unconfortable for them, bjt they don't feel pain

[@briannaharter4411]

They actually do feel pain.

[@izabellbeth5589]

Taking out the scales and splitting the fin was unnecessary

[@steventan7420]

Sounds like having a haircut

[@yxx260]

Key word *Cosmetic*

[@jasonbourne8566]

I hope the eye is okay now, thumbs up for hard work but you should have just trimmed the fins as the king of diy did it and it would have been much easier for the fish

[@ahmedusmanjaved]

If patient dies during surgery ..they simply toss it in a seasoning.

[@bradafc86]

Less fat in diet is a must.

[@Goodoldpause]

The world has gone mad..

[@sana6445]

Literally just pay for the first and last surgeries and not the one where he used a normal needle to separate a few areas 😂

[@sreejikm]

Would love to cut it and fry with masala.