Fast Mythic MASS Phoenix is Crazy - Age of Mythology Retold

[@codzilla360]

Im new to Aom and I finally won my first 1v1 against titan AI with Ra, laser crocs ftw! 😅

[@citricdemon]

hey! the skin is peeling off my balls. what should i do about that? do i need to see a doctor? 💊😭😭😭

[@markvanderwerf8592]

Valley of the kings is insane and really the backbone of this strategy. Was testing it out. Migdol with Valley of the kings and Conscript migdol soldiers produces chariot archers in 6 seconds, camels in ~5 seconds and elephants in ~10 seconds . (the pharaoh ability only gives double units, does not speed up building anymore, the Levy and Conscript tech seem to stack additively ie build time goes down by 40%). I tried if juggling two migdols was possible (produce out of sync, pharaoh switches) but it seems the chance to produce two units depends on the proportion of time you empowered so that doesn't gain you more units. Valley of the kings on a non-stop producing Migdol with Valley of the kings on chariots is ~23 free resources per second. And with Camels it's ~24, with Elephants ~25 Basically that's ~2.7 plenty vaults or ~27 (egyptian) villagers. Yes it costs 450g 40 favor and 20s research time but you're effectively getting an extra migdol as well so it's kinda free. In this game he reached mythic around 10:50 with 48 to 29 vils. Then he gets in my opinion a very unlucky Meteor not killing the TC but despite that just a little later it's 41 to 31 vils. However Isis then effectively has 27 extra because of valley of the kings plus another ~5 from monuments and the Isis food tech. Hades has ~2 extra from his tech. So it's more like ~61 vs 46 at that point in strength of economy. Isis also has the benefit of getting Book of Thoth (a very solid eco tech) later. Plus that free migdol production doesn't take population so you can either get a much bigger economy than your opponent (to power out a titan perhaps) or just get more army. Strategy seems very strong. Since you can use a market instead of armory and get to use Prosperity twice you have a ton of gold and don't need any other food sources to get to mythic besides the hunt/berries/herdables close to base. The only thing you really kind of want is a second gold mine but you secure that with a migdol in heroic. One downside though is that Isis migdol units don't always seem very strong. Vs greeks especially seems rather weak because the Prodomos basically counters all migdol units. Prodomos have same HP as a camel, cost 10 less and do 21.5 DPS vs cav instead of 16. It also just outruns Chariot archers, especially as Poseidon and/or with Hermes. Isis probably has to mix in some spears in this matchup just to act as somewhat of a meatshield but they aren't very effective (soft counter to cav) without myth techs and require a bunch of upgrades. It feels a bit weird how the pure migdol composition is very strong vs some gods but seems very weak vs others. Poseidon Hermes Prodomos stomp it pretty hard it feels. Norse overall has more difficulty with it, chariot archers feel very good against them and camels shield them from raiding cavalry quite well (or elephants/axemen vs huskarls). Atlanteans especially have trouble with camel/chariot as Arcus aren't very good and Camels stomp both Contarius and Turma (i guess they'll have to go Contarius + Katapeltes with Oceanus and Theia while Kronos just has to try and kill Isis early). In some matchups I think you'll just have to prevent Isis from getting there. Deny the second gold, but it seems rough. If you play aggressive Isis can just change their plans from a fast mythic to a regular fast heroic and fight you there while getting a migdol on the second gold.

[@SoldieRaoe]

I upgraded my tc so it wouldn't die to meteor

[@markvanderwerf8592]

@@SoldieRaoe smart move. Even then though I think the meteor will usually take out the tc though? Curious why so many peltast though. Seems better to get a mix of peltast and toxotes if you're gonna go archers at all (which I guess you'll feel inclined to as Hades even though prodomos is probably your best unit here).

[@SoldieRaoe]

@markvanderwerf8592 pelts wreck chariots. Just needed more of a Frontline with cav, maybe hops

[@SoldieRaoe]

@@markvanderwerf8592 I think the +15% hp and +15% crush armor holds vs meteor

[@markvanderwerf8592]

They do but Toxotes beat Chariots too. Problem with a two counter unit comp like prodomos and Peltast is that you're very reliant on getting your numbers right while the Isis player can switch on a whim. Too many peltast and you die to Camels. Too few peltast and you struggle with Chariots. Going a bunch of Tox, you have the upgrades anyway, makes you less susceptible to being caught out like that. Also gives you much better option to punish gatherers or a misposition. But it's a tough situation either way

[@Spiceodog]

Mad respect for soldier , didn’t quit until there really wasn’t any chance .

[@goochipoochie]

All phoenix spammers gangsta until atlanteans start spamming heroes

[@jd2792]

but arent every one except greeks can mass heroes norse has godi and egypt has priest

[@bruvkek4629]

These eggs are so tanky even to ranged heroes, so you need both melee and ranged and many.

[@jd2792]

​@@bruvkek4629 do they act diffrent in the campgain becuse in that one in titan it takes both me or my oponent at most 5 priest to melts the eggs

[@Tomil4444]

one thing what u dont see about whole video is these phoenix reborn. Till 21 min from all phonix egypt player has he lose only 2 while rest just get reborn, greek player dont fully comit to kill that eggs so they have so much value from resource and dmg perspective

[@thiagoulart]

9min myth age click is actually crazy

[@MakiMaki.]

What's considered "massing" a unit is an interesting question. I suppose it also depends on what the player's general unit composition looks like to a large extent. For instance, watching this video, if I see a player with 15-20+ chariots and camels, and 5 phoenixes - my first thought definitely wouldn't be "wow, mass phoenixes". On the other hand, how many of the respective units you usually see in a match might also play a part in what is considered "massing". - If players usually have one or two phoenixes, then a player having 8-10 of them would be "mass phoenix" in comparison. However, if that player additionally has like 30 camels ... then ... I don't know. lol

[@ThatElephantSeal]

I think its based off cost and pop space of unit. Someone building 8+ ballista or catapults I would consider massing siege. And with myth units, especially expensive ones, anything above four or five I would usually consider a mass (someone rolling up with like 7 colossi as an example has input a huge amount of resources to do so, I think its fair to say they have gone all in unless its super late game)

[@MineKaikks]

I really like your vídeos, bro! Cheers from Brasil 😁

[@Donahue9389]

Thanks Fitz!!

[@Spiceodog]

✋As the person who said gollenbursti was S tier , I will admit , I’m not very good . My points still stand though because nobody worrying if they can bait and and counter play any of the other age one god powers . Also magic agrees with me so 🤷‍♂️ He points out that it’s a bit of a nuclear deterrent. You don’t even have to use it to get value from it because the opponent needs to make decisions that would be in advisable and inefficient if the threat of it wasn’t there .

[@DajuSar]

I mean you just have to wait a minute and thats it isn't?

[@matthiasvancauteren3107]

@@DajuSar Enough time for an extra hill fort to go up or for more units to be trained. Tha's one minute the enemy can't camp your production.

[@Spiceodog]

@@DajuSar yeah but it prevents you from even deciding to attack

[@Sertecktv]

Forces you to go for small raids instead of big confrontations, which sometimes could be even better if u have god micro

[@Spiceodog]

@@Sertecktv yup. Even without using it , your taking choices out of the enemies hands , and adding them to your deck

[@LuisManuelRoballoAlvarez]

Arrows of Heracle is one of the best relics Hades could find ❤

[@constipatedsheep6864]

Are Phoenixs actually good? Feel like they are really easy to take care of

[@Spiceodog]

It depends who your fighting . Greeks only have like one ranged hero and not every god even gets those , so they obliterate the Greeks . But priests , godi, hero cheirobalista are effective counter measures. They’re generally a good but not great unit , but against the Greeks they’re almost unstoppable

[@CarlosBassBughi2]

​@@Spiceodog In retold all greek heroes have ranged attacks now, they switch between melee for ground units and ranged for flying units and the damage and multiplier are different, sometimes the damage is different and sometimes the multiplier is different but they are pretty good as for Heroes that are only ranged, they have different multipliers for ground myth units and Flying Myth units.

[@Spiceodog]

⁠wait, really?

[@theshore2667]

@@Spiceodogno they don’t obliterate Greeks, what’re you talking about 😂😂😂 Do you not have ranged in your army???

[@jlima5509]

Greeks only have 4 heroes to take care of mythic units. Its hard to deal with mythc units everywhere

[@Bozzl3]

I've destroyed 3 players that had titans while i had Phoenix, croc and elephants. Phoenix are amazing. One game I had a monument which drastically increases the power of myth units too.

[@logicftw7700]

Didn’t you cast an IamMagic Ra win early on?

[@slimeguy1117]

I'll never know what to do as greek vs mass myth units you just don't have enough hero units

[@djnefrozhardstylepromotion3527]

You mass myth units on your own

[@ashesofaranea]

i've been seeing boit win a lot with ra

[@FitzBro]

I see myself win with Ra a lot

[@Jcoke2201]

i was convinced you were ra shaming with casting all those losses lol

[@FitzBro]

😭

[@axios7773]

How dare you call me a noob? D: Now im a hate-watcher.

[@FitzBro]

N00b

[@axios7773]

@@FitzBro ୧(๑•̀ᗝ•́)૭

[@patrioticmilkman]

when's the civ tier list coming out?

[@MrGogoz3]

25:42 What happens with the millitary value of the Isis player?

[@integralinsanity1641]

8:25 anyone care to elaborate why he used those minions to... just... do absolutely nothing?

[@jandir33]

Phoenix are so pretty!

[@joegreen5136]

The only ISYMFS I've heard is from a pro bodybuilder named CT Fletcher it stands for its still your MF set

[@integralinsanity1641]

2:00 Wait one OR the other? not both? How does it work, it gets used up and deleted when you do one of those things? xD

[@djnefrozhardstylepromotion3527]

Soldier mismacroed so hard he always had 3k+ ressources unspent. He could have easily gotten to mythic and pop 4 heroes non stop to deal with the phoenixes Good game nonetheless !

[@constipatedsheep6864]

Hope the devs change how easy it is to age up. Each age should be a phase, not a minor speed bump

[@Tomil4444]

hope not when retold just dropped heroic was rare like diamond and all fights and matches only stay at clasical age what is really dumb and boring after some game u realize u have cutted half of the powers units and techs and u only watch first and second god ... thats all

[@Tomil4444]

man tell me EXACLTY why ra sucs idk about it why ppl blame him so much some says its his minor gods are bad or his rain is bad or his buff to migdol is bad or he get so less favor when echance monuments which is stupid bcs he is only god who can use priest to empower while set na isis cant

[@100toeface]

Hades is the most irritating to face. Mass archer balls + vault of plenty + sentinels + trickle cards. YUCK YUCK YUCK