Fixing a Pony Motor Right! - John Deere 830 Industrial

For the first time, I finally get the Pony Motor and the Starting Transmission working correctly and am able to start my John Deere 830-Industrial correctly.
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[@DanielFarmChannel]

Congrats. You know it's exciting when the viewers like myself and others are excited too. If I had a bucket list on what all I'd like like to tear into and dump probably too much money in, a pony start diesel would be on it. Someday. Too many projects yet to do. Looking forward to more videos.

[@marv1405]

Thanks for taking us along. Don't know how many times I started the 70 with the pony motor 60 some years ago but is nice to see the details of how it actually works.

[@jonelsonster]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@michaelstjohn2617]

Very helpful to actually see these parts and curious how u have everything so clean to work on!

[@Tf9500]

What a great video. Thanks for bringing us along. That JD is going to give years of enjoyment plowing and parades!

[@jonelsonster]

I hope so!

[@johnalexander4356]

It's an awesome feeling to have a project so together and working as it's supposed. Congratulations on a job well done.

[@jonelsonster]

Couldn't agree more! Thanks so much

[@bwlyon]

The pony motor transmission operation is fairly complicated, but you made it look easy to get set up right. Your R should start this easy. I did a little research and the injectors on these tractors aren’t that difficult to pull apart and clean up. The spray nozzles can get clogged with carbon, but a good clean up can get that fine mist spray pattern back.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I'm 'CITED with you! Now you know what a sprague unit does! Old Cat ponys on the 4's and 6's had a brake on the clutch lever with a seperate pinion lever. The 8 had a single lever like old yeller has and you pushed it to stop the gears and pulled it to engage everything. Gravely's were a sealed unit to me and always worked so I never messed wit them. So NOW you can grin for a MONTH! Blessings to yall and there's NOTHING that feels as good as when you get something FIXED!

[@jonelsonster]

I was at a tractor show today and there was an old cable D8 unit there. The little two cylinder flathead pony on that thing looked about as big as the engine on a little John Deere LA or M. I imagine turning one of those big 6 cylinder diesel engines over would be hard!

[@lewiemcneely9143]

@@jonelsonster They had a compression release too and some had a hi/lo on the starter tranny. I always warmed a pony up with the compression off on idle while I drank some coffee and then kicked the compression over and gassed the pony and opened the diesel. They started usually one cylinder at a time after smoking and popping a bit. Wonderful!

[@lttl858]

A lot of patience.......great job!

[@jonelsonster]

Yes, I'm just glad it paid off!

[@wemedeeres4105]

It’s always a good feeling to chalk up a win with those ponies, they can be a pain but they sure sound cool cranking over that big diesel, I’d much rather have a pony than electric start!

[@jonelsonster]

There is a definite "cool factor" tied to a starting a big diesel with a pony motor.

[@wbreese9903]

Very nicely done!

[@jonelsonster]

Thank you very much!

[@kevinschroeder3889]

A job well done. Perseverance paid off. Glad you did correctly and not half assed.

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks so much!

[@larrydavidson3402]

Good job, you crossed a major hurdle on the starting engine. Lots of parts and pieces in those, didn't know how complicated they were.

[@jonelsonster]

I was mostly worried that if screw up the linkages since there are so many. But luckily I got it right.

[@BrodieBr0]

Thanks for showing the ins and outs of a JD 830 Pony. I definitely will be adding a 2 cyl JD 830 to my collection in the future and your videos will be valuable especially if the one I get has a Pony start.

[@jonelsonster]

I was surprised how few videos there were on KZbin on JD pony engines. That's one reason why I tried to capture all the stuff I encountered in this process. Best of luck!

[@tractorguy100]

Congrats on the starting engine, clutch work project. Sounds great. I’ve always loved the starting motors on these. They get a bad rap but it’s all how you take care of them…

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks 👍

[@kendallwilliamson8193]

Sounds good and looks like you did it RIGHT! Good job.

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks 👍I was very relieved it worked

[@donnydenfeld2394]

Great video. Whrn i bought my 730D i surchef a fair amount of time looking for an electric start model do i wouldn't have the same issues your facing. Grest job getting it fixed.

[@jonelsonster]

My dad was the same way with his 830... It has to be ES and he wanted a PTO. That's one reason why he passed on this one and bought the I've he did. But since he didn't but this one it allowed me to... So I'm happy. I just really like the uniqueness of the industrial.

[@weirddeere]

I could feel the excitement when it was working right and all the hard work paid off. Believe me I understand the drive to keep working at 1am to get something done! I hold nobody accountable to "do things right", I just hope everyone enjoys their projects without breaking the bank haha

[@jonelsonster]

@weirddeere i didn't know which emotion was more pronounced... Worry or Excitement. I was just glad the worry I had leading up to firing the pony was very quickly erased by excitement after it started. Now I need to get the lights working so I can drive it around at 1am in the dark! 😅 Thank you again for all of your help. I didn't know if you will ever know how much I appreciate it!

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster I understand the want for lights too. I spent 15 years on night shift. I've been working on putting factory lights on my DI. I'm glad you appreciate but I get a kick out of helping other people solve their problems

[@ptnelsonster]

Amen brother, I could feel your relief! So what’s next for the old girl?

[@keepcalmandfarmon5401]

Congrats! Way to stick with it. You've got a great starting and running tractor, now. The idea of a pony motor is fun (to me), but I see your point that an electric start is so much simpler!

[@jonelsonster]

I was at a tractor show today and saw a beautifully restored 720D and it had been converted to electric start. I can see why the owner made that decision... But, I'm like you in that I like the idea of it. I'm going to try to keep this one pony start... As long as I can afford it 😅

[@danw6014]

Glad the brake pad was available. I just purchased the last power steering pump shaft in Deere inventory for my 620. Over $500 of course. The diesel engine must be in pretty good condition because your garage isn't full of white smoke .

[@jonelsonster]

That's partly why I decided to buy it now. It will just get harder to find. And yeah, the diesel engine seems to run well. The pony smokes a little, but not the diesel.

[@anthonyhengst2908]

That pony engine sounds just as sweet as the main diesel engine. Learning is by doing and a little help with some knowledgeable friends. I wouldn't have known about those brake pads either. Now I'm sure you have this right.

[@bethmotgomery2662]

Sweet?? IT'S TERRIBLE!!!!!!! Install a electric starter!!!!!!!!!

[@weirddeere]

​@@bethmotgomery2662electric is great, unless you were at an isolated worksite, with no power, in the 1950s in the dead of winter

[@bethmotgomery2662]

I'd have a cab with a lockable door and windows to keep the cold air out and the battery is under the seat.

[@anthonyhengst2908]

@@bethmotgomery2662 I'm too tough for cabs.

[@jonelsonster]

I agree with you @weirddeere, I guarantee when this thing was on the road construction site helping pave the canyon roads around here there was no power for miles. Overnight temps are constantly below freezing from October through March around here.

[@paulohamm3335]

Parabéns perfeito trabalho 👏👏 no 830 🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks so much!

[@tootired76]

Fantastic!

[@jonelsonster]

Many thanks!

[@weirddeere]

I had to look, the last time I bought the brake plate, RE29786, was $46.75. That might have been in.....2004

[@jonelsonster]

Price increase of 370%... That means that in another 20 years it will cost nearly $600! 😳 That's half what I paid for the entire tractor!

[@jamiegoodhart794]

Good job, guess you didn't hear me saying stop that's enough oil.

[@jonelsonster]

Yeah, you need to speak louder! 😅 At least the check hole let's the excess drain out.

[@AndrewHCann]

Excellent video Jonelstar :) yes myself never like smell of 80w90 Differential Fluid or Gear Oil or Ford Automatic transmission Type F of MerCon ! Why say that years ago a Axle broke on hoist on bearings seize up on drive shafts when up air gave me shower of 80w90 differential fluid all I see of wheel go turn okay on low engine speed plus in gears at my job at time of garage business but Axle was okay till then and last one because need one of rust up plus seized bearings , another time on my late Dad 2 loader Desiel motor hydraulic Spraying me because plug up filter spray on neck plus legs and blew hydraulic line lucky was cold warmth not hot burn me bad it was middle of Winter Season months hear in Ontario Canada of year 1992 and 1993 doing snow removal! Managed get back in machinery shed both tractor with my Tow Truck pickup had time was 4×4 and my dad drive two farm tractors separately too ! Remember my dad said Damn it super cold Weather of -0'F temperatures! Also another thing he said was not be repeated on KZbin it not swear words just bad saying! I just leave it at that! But I know he said this going be cost lots money and did back then ! Parts had be ordered and fluid too from dealer ! Also Ford Type F Automatic transmission soak me when checking out what happened to my transmission the pressure also returned line on 1995 Ford Taurus GL car in traffic and trying put in parking lot check over then steal lines let lose and broke off in middle under rad ! So spray me on face lucky had prescription glasses on or be blind from fluid and yes not over years Jonelstar! Yes Jonelstar glad help on ideas anytime and like help out too ! Also welcome anytime and hope have Lol on this message too! I still alive from those bad times !

[@jonelsonster]

I'll need to remember that if I'm ever faced with any of those situations!

[@AndrewHCann]

@@jonelsonster no problem and yes just be careful they say ! I treid to and sometimes don't go as planned!

[@wendellvoisin7090]

I bet you can get some lining and make a new disk and rivet to the old shoe. That way you get a spare. I used to work on friction cranes and we used to reline brake bands and friction shoes every now an then.

[@jonelsonster]

I thought of that, but I don't even know where to start when it comes to funding friction material... Let alone cutting it or counter boring it for the rivet heads.

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster McMaster has....everything. I relined my own brake shoes with material from them. I was thinking along those lines as well for the pony brake pads in the future

[@jayeddleston9486]

Awesome. Vice grip garage hat 🤘

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks. I'm a big vgg fan.

[@lindanelson8400]

Congratulations 🎊 👏 I have been waiting to see the pony motor do its job, and now it does! I'm wondering about the rpm's that little motor spins. It sounds like it's running wide open as soon as it starts, like 6k rpm's. Is it supposed to be that way?

[@jonelsonster]

You and me both! Regarding your question on engine rpm... It has two settings: low and high. Low is about 2500 rpm and high is 5000 rpm. But as far as I can tell it's spring loaded to reside in the high idle position. I guess you can hold it to the low setting but to start the tractor you need to have it in the high throttle speed.

[@ianwille5780]

I don’t have any idea about what I’m talking about, but that pony motor really revs up high. Is that a normal rmp for that motor? I’d hate to see it grenade on you.

[@jonelsonster]

@@ianwille5780that's normal. it runs at about 5000 rpm.

[@thomasr.miller5553]

😁👍👍👍👍

[@jonelsonster]

Thanks!

[@archangel729]

I guess you should have checked the manual to see how much oil you needed tin the transmission.

[@jonelsonster]

It doesn't specify.

[@archangel729]

Please open your garage door when starting combustion motors

[@jonelsonster]

@@archangel729 I did

[@terrycannon570]

You can keep the flip flops, but the claw hammer has got to go.

[@jonelsonster]

At least it wasn't a waffle head framing hammer 😅

[@MrPaw45]

People keep knocking Deere but how many other companies could supply such an obsolete part.

[@jonelsonster]

Yes, I was glad they still had it.

[@bryancosby2262]

Don't pitch the old one. You should be able to have it relined.

[@jonelsonster]

Don't worry, I kept it.

[@archangel729]

Well deer is another brand going along the wayside too bad the mgmnt thinks its a good thing to move manufacturing to mexico no longer a Made in USA company all farmers and home lawn care people should avoid purchasing a JD also due to the propiartary computer software . So you cant fix them or even a 3 party mechanic only JD what a shame .

[@jonelsonster]

John Deere actually began manufacturing tractors in Mexico near Monterey in 1956. They have also had manufacturing plants in Germany, Spain, France, Canada, South Africa, and even China for many years.

[@weirddeere]

@@jonelsonster absolutely true. I remember most or all of the engine filters I bought from the 2000s being made in Mexico