Fixing A Toro Mower To Run Again However We Find A New Problem

[@skyemac8]

I have that very 2003 SR push mower. It’s a classic and will mow through anything. The paint on yours is very clean.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes aside from some scrapes on the one side, the paint is fantastic!

[@iloveap83]

Awesome troubleshooting tutorial!!! One check I would add to the no spark condition would be to check the armature gap! The flywheel looked scratched! Thanks and keep the videos coming!!!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes you are correct about the gap!

[@jwayne777]

👏👍Love the video, Mr. HG. Awesome. So , as I tinker with small engines, much like yourself, I begin to find out why some carbs can not be cleaned the way some plumbing valves in homes can not be fixed and must be cut out and removed. If one plans to truly rebuild and repair carbs additional parts and tools are required. So, on one hand we have to deal with maintaining an assortment of welch plugs and welch plug removal and install tools. For both 2 cycle and 4 cycle. Turns out dirt is sometimes unable to escape😢 the carb because they dead end at the welch plug. As the engine runs the particulate swirls and as it stops the particulate fall in a vital hole clogging it, requiring 2 pulls. Now assume you get that fixed there is another chance that water and calcium has entered, corroded and fused inside a vital port, PERMANENTLY. Thus, effectively clogging or restricting a fuel or air port.( same thing happens with plumbing valves) Then you are only left with the option to buy a new or aftermarket carb. 😂But now that I know all this. I am still a glutton for punishment and I am going to buy welch plugs and the install removal kits to try to perfect my repair skills. Keep up the awesome repair videos. Yours truly , The Duke

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you The Duke, for explaining that

[@haneyoakie14]

I would try to clean the carb again. Also, at my house I probably have a spare Quantum carb sitting around. I would try 1 more time to clean and if that doesn’t work, replacement is cheap. Also, check the intake tube for cracks, holes, or lose bolts allowing air in, leaning out the mixture.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you and all great ideas

[@MrRmh3481]

Reminds me of the older Suzuki two cycle engines that came on these decks. Those two stroke engines lasted and lasted. Also, as the ignition modules go thru thousands of heat cycles, the internal capacitor seems to vary the amount of charge they retain. I understand that the modules are fairly inexpensive but I find that replacing the 'R' plug opting instead for the traditional plug will keep the engine running for a few more years. ie J19LM vs RJ19LM.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you for sharing that with us.

[@Patrick4959]

you could almost try cleaning the primer/purge screen as they are in those type of qauntum engines as i have seen as sometimes gummy residue build up can also enter there too etc.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you for the tip

[@Patrick4959]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGEmy pleasure mate.

[@NickSpires09]

Great video I love how you explain stuff and your video are awesome

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you I really appreciate it

[@TheLawnmowerLady]

My experience using fuel or solvent in the ultrasonic is not a s good as using a solution with some detergent in it. I find the solvent will soften, but not completely eliminate any dried, varnisized (is that at word?) deposits. Thanks for the update.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

no problem and I always appreciate your insight. I'm still trying to find a solution that works best for me.

[@TheLawnmowerLady]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Pine-Sol is my go-to solution. I cut it 4:1 in water. Cheers!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you!

[@MikeFoster-sy8jl]

Last time I heard a mower sound like that.. well one the blade was bent and adaptor needed replacing and the second ones crankshaft was bent. If there was still old gas in the system it could be causing that.. also sounds like it could use an rpm tuning. Good luck with that Toro!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you

[@ronhoover5516]

Sounds like you have a cold! If so, hope you're feeling better soon!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you , and it's not a cold however my voice has been on the mend for the last 2 months from a 48 hr bug.

[@ramadinsookhoo6141]

Hey bro what's up? The mower looks and sounds good except for a surge when it was running. I'm sure that you'll clean out the carburetor again and see if it will solve the surging and starting issue when the engine is hot.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

you already know what I'm going to do.

[@JCT442]

A date code 1999 Quantum deserves a new carb... it's a survivor.

[@rumrunner4783]

I’d call it a warrior!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes it does

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

I like that

[@crisprtalk6963]

Notice how most of these older mowers seem to have great wheels on them.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

agreed

[@mattwickert736]

I wouldn't be surprised if something flushed out of the gas tank or the fuel line, based on how the carb looked. Once fresh, clean fuel hit it, it would break it down. I've gotten to where I just replace the fuel line on those engines now, because they're usually in bad shape from age if it's the original. I would also check the intake pipe. I've had them crack, and wear away on the bottom side which isn't visible. It took the same mower coming back to me 3 times, before I found it on one of them. The cracks and or small holes get plugged up with gunk pretty easily, so it's possible your cleaning opened it up a bit. If nothing else, it's worth a check of the 2 screws holding it down, as they're known to loosen up over time. There could have been a small piece of something grounding that coil wire. I've had it happen with just gunk/grease build up, so maybe something was caught not easily seen without a super close inspection that got knocked away once you removed it.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

I need to do what you just describe, sounds like a great way to avoid this issue

[@rickthelian2215]

Clean 😊

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you

[@robertmailhos8159]

Great idea to fix the ground wire to get it spark again

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes It is

[@robertmailhos8159]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 👍😎

[@johnwrigley1624]

I've never seen a Super Recycler without self propel. Must be pretty rare.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes agreed, I think this might be the second one I've ever seen.

[@orange6092]

I was thinking the same thing!!!

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I TRY and clean the OEM carbs but when it won't work I'll order va new one. And I've also found out that if one will run but it's choppy, letting them run with a good grade of gas in them might clean them up. Good deal about the spark. Electrical stuff can get goofy sometimes. Blessings and I can care less about a top cover.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thank you and hopefully I can save the original carb.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

Most welcome but we know how it goes.@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE

[@rickleger3528]

Great video as always Have you considered doing a re engine on a push mower using the harbor freight Predator vertical shaft engine, it has decent reviews and may be a better choice than just a used mower alone or a new mower with Briggs engine my opinion only thanks

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes I've done it before and it's really easy, but if you're putting it on a self propel deck, then you'll need a 7/8" to 1" adaptor.

[@rickleger3528]

Thanks did not know that

[@jesterr7133]

I love these carbs, because they are so simple, but it also has drawbacks. The carbs are pretty much junk if you get a clog in the idle circuit, because it is nearly impossible to remove since you don't have any direct access to it.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

you are correct and most don't seem to understand that issue.

[@lawrencecarroll2031]

I think I'd try a little Sea Foam before I tried anything else. Time is money so I don't think I'd spend a whole lot of time on the carb; replacements are cheap.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

well said

[@RussellBooth1977]

125 PSI is good for a Briggs and Stratton lawnmower engine,my 3 horsepower engine has 75 PSI of compression when I test it with a compression tester although that's me using the pull rope,it doesn't have a compression release on the camshaft & that was after replacing the piston rings 4 years ago. A compression test isn't always conclusive because Taryl Dactal did a compression test on a warrantied Briggs and Stratton horizontal shaft engine because it would barely run,he got 80 PSI of compression out of it & assumed it was alright because a similar Predator engine had 60 PSI of compression. He did a cylinder leakdown test & he found out that the rings were stuck in the piston ring grooves inside of the engine because it has bad cylinder leakdown despite showing up as having good compression. The spark plug was oil fouled probably due to the way it was being stored or someone overfilled the crankcase with oil. As far as the carburettor goes xI would go through the carburettor again because I found out that microfine dust particles can block it up inside of a Honda carburettor !

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes I keep forgetting I have a leak down tester, I must remember to get it out to use it next time.

[@aaronburson1427]

Adjust the governor plate holding the spring to stop the surge.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

all that does is "mask" the surging, ask me how I know that.

[@tomlewis3658]

Does that carb have a mixture adjustment screw? If it does, I would try to get it started and maybe it would be better with a richer mixture. And that mower really looks nice & fresh.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

unfortunately no mixture screw

[@MikeJones-jr5hb]

Time is money, new carb!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

agreed

[@jesterr7133]

I am working on a machine with this same engine. It loses spark when the kill wire is plugged in. I have replaced the cable and the kill wire, and I have wire brushed the switch itself, and it made no difference. Is there any way for the kill switch to actually go bad? I have eliminated pretty much everything else.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes there is, I would consider replacing the switch, just buy a bulk pack to make it worth it.

[@jesterr7133]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I have been paused on this one for a while because I thought the switch was too simple to go bad. Where do you buy the stuff in bulk from? I am definitely reaching the point where I need to start doing that. I have started buying fuel line by the roll, but I do need to start reducing costs. My focus up to this point has been gaining experience, but I need to start focusing on making a little money.

[@mjg263]

Sheesh, sounds like it has a bent crankshaft or blade - shakin’ all over!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

so the noise is actually that lever for the chute, and the shaking is actually because it's running lean, hence the surging.

[@mjg263]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE oh, gotcha. Yes, those older model super recyclers have that spring loaded chute door that makes all kinds of noise if the bag isn’t in place. I’m glad they updated that design, the bag was a pain to empty and put back in place!

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes, this chute design was on the first mower I had to use and it was a pain sometimes

[@philliphall5198]

Sonic clean and if still not right acid dip will fix it 😊😊😊

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

thanks

[@waltertur9731]

Might want to check the auto choke

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

this is a primer bulb system

[@jameshedrick605]

I usually try and clean the carburetor again. If that doesn't help then i replace it

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

agreed

[@gearhead366]

Sounds like it's not getting enough fuel. Or too much air. Since you cleaned the carb, I would double check for air leaks. If none found, I'd replace the carb.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

good idea.

[@jesterr7133]

I wouldn't mess with the spark plug on this one. The fact that the spark checker did not light up indicates that the issue is before the plug, and they hardly ever go bad anyway.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

I have to agree with you

[@antman3525]

Cross your T 's and dot your i 's before you go to the replacement carbi. Always frustrating once you have done the c/o and the problem is still unsolved.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

very true.

[@watermanone7567]

You make have an air leak on the base of the carb or connections where the gasket goes.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

it's quite possible

[@robbsmind2209]

Nice tanned hands bro

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

summer time, I tan real well but it's also because I'm color grading the video for a "richer" image.

[@GuysPlayingWithTools]

A Nickle says the carb still has something in it,(the surging gives it away)

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

you're a nickel richer.

[@GuysPlayingWithTools]

@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGEWoo Hoo, time to retire. Lol

[@Turningwrenches85]

That was kind of odd no spark even with the wire on there but after you disconnect the kill wire it had spark then put it back on there then it came back

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

I know right, it didn't make sense to me either

[@norge696]

Do you not part junk machines? I have quantum parts out the wazoo. Coils, flywheels, gas tanks ect

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

yes I do, however I keep the machines whole, at the expense of space though.

[@electroddxful]

I would clean the carburetor again 👍🙏👍🙏

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

That's the plan!

[@berardia4]

Seems like major vibration (bent shaft?) So I'd do an engine swap.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

the surging is causing the mower to shake. Also the noise you might be hearing is the lever for the bad chute.

[@fastandfuriouslawnandlawnc1514]

Hi I have a big problem with my rideon mower engine it has a big Crack on the bottom of the case I tried jb weld but it still leaks oil slowly what should I do?

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

what kind of JB weld are you using? regular or are you using the one for oil pans, Fuel tanks?

[@fastandfuriouslawnandlawnc1514]

That qwicweld meatl

[@fastandfuriouslawnandlawnc1514]

But I decided that the engine is broken because went it runs the hole head block moves.

[@frankaferdhadley1603]

I always replace the carb every time I get or find lawn equipment I just replace the carb it is cheap insurance that when I sell it I know it will work as it should. But that is just me

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

agreed

[@ethanmiller3935]

I would clean it again if it were me, l also have spare parts so if that one wouldnt work throw a good rebuilt on it and rebuild the original on a rainy day.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

nice to have spares!

[@petefroud5308]

Drill the jet .

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

that's an idea

[@williamsnow1531]

Been there done that. Buy a new carb you already spent time on the old one so no more wasting time. Replace the carb.

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

agreed

[@Idkx2ummm]

You know what probably happened with the water when you took it out the wire internally might’ve been broken and then when you moved it around it got fixed

[@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE]

maybe

[@Idkx2ummm]

Or they made up in a micro break and it was arcing