Fixing the Johto Gym Leaders | Part 1

Today I'm going to be taking a look at the first 4 Gym Leader Teams in Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver and attempt to fix them by changing up their Pokémon, move sets, abilities, and items!
If you reach the end of the video, let me know what you think about my changes and if you'd do anything differently! Thanks for watching and thank you to my channel members for supporting me!
00:00 Intro
00:45 Falkner
03:18 Bugsy
06:40 Whitney
09:48 Morty
13:22 Outro

[@kingzant99]

I do want to note, you said that Aipom doesn't fit Whitney's character, but Aipom was originally going to be her ace, and the reason she wears a sort of baseball uniform

[@kingzant99]

Snubbull totally fits tho I love my pup

[@OKreations]

Oh huh I had no idea!

[@gigifabulous]

My favorite idea for Morty is just literally giving him every Ghost type in the game at that point lol, so he keeps his Gastly, but replaces a Haunter with Misdreavus. Gastly while being frail, really packs a dangerous punch especially for a first-stage Pokemon.

[@nesradub360]

for GSC I would've done Haunter-Misdreavus-Gengar, and in HGSS I would've done Misdreavus-Haunter-Mismagius.

[@youtube-kit9450]

I don't get why Chuck has 2 pokémon while earlier gym leader Morty has 4 for zero reason. For that level, he could just have had Misdreavus-Haunter-Gengar.

[@okay8659]

@@nesradub360that wouldn’t work, fantinas ace is mismagius

[@nesradub360]

@@okay8659 which is weird, since Drifblim is the main Gen IV ghost. It should be Drifblim imo. Also Agatha's ace is Gengar, so he already has a repeat ace anyway.

[@riccardomosena4162]

About whitney, bayleef also does an incredible job against her. To me, whitney was a breath of fresh air after falkner and bugsy 🤣🤣

[@Acacius1992]

Whitney is never hard for me xD I simply pull a Page of her book and annoy her with Paralysis, Leech Seed and headbutt hax xD

[@Eric-gp3hi]

These changes for the Johto gym leaders are great so far. One change I would have done is Whitney's team which would be Teddiursa, Furret and Miltank. I would love to see you make a Heartgold and Soulsilver romhack wirh these changes for the Johto Gym Leaders!

[@OKreations]

I like the teddiursa that would’ve been a good choice too!

[@megariderfire1994]

I actually agree with this change...that and I think Furret does actually fit Whitney's character and it is a cute pokemon. I mean...Furret is pretty well known for that Furret Walk shtick and all, I don't see why Whitney WOULDN'T want to use this pokemon. Even if Furret is ridiculously taller than expected but besides the point. Plus...and yes, while Furret isn't AMAZING by any means...it's still usable for the third gym, it's speed stat isn't that bad at that point in the game and it's already evolved by that point.

[@TheRGuyRock]

Adding a Furret to her team would make Whitney way more powerful than she needs to be

[@OKreations]

Idk why but I’m just not seeing the furret work for me, maybe it’s just cuz it’s not pink? I understand it being somewhat cute but it’s not like a cuddly lil guy like clefairy and snubbull ya know?

[@user-xo4vp9zm4m]

The shiny for Furret is pink.​@@OKreations

[@jeremycolon7337]

My only thought on the video is to maybe actually give scyther Vacuum wave because it will teach players just because a type’s effectiveness is on the field, the opponents pokemon also learn moves of different types and that they are smart enough to use it (to keep geodude from walling the first two gyms by itself). Other than that, an amazing video as usual!

[@OKreations]

That’s fair! The real reason I wasn’t a fan of that was because it would be doing such little damage being a special move

[@atomicpunk2360]

@@OKreationsbut Geodude’s sp def is absolute doo doo, so with a crit (since it also has focus energy), it might take out what was supposed to crush the whole team.

[@aaronfarabaugh6573]

Wing attack on technician scyther would be incredibly strong for a second gym

[@OKreations]

Yeahhhh I wanted to make a change just to change something for scyther but I do agree with you there, i think if I make the rom hack for this I won’t include wing attack

[@GoncasCrazy]

I'm loving this series, and I love that it's trying to remain consistent with the actual games and not create any crazy difficulty rom level teams. As someone who mostly just plays the base games every once in a while, I appreciate this approach! Great work and much love

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much dood I appreciate it! I’m currently working on the rom hack

[@nesradub360]

Here's what I would do for these gym leaders: FALKNER: Hoothoot/Pidgeotto BUGSY: Scyther/Ledyba/Spinarak WHITNEY: Snubbull/Miltank MORTY: Haunter/Misdreavus/Gengar [GSC] / Misdreavus/Haunter/Mismagius [HGSS] - I think they should've added ALL relevant gen IV evos to the HGSS Johto Dex

[@nxtlvlzeph]

I feel like Noctowl would be a better fit for Morty, with it being based on a grandfather clock and it having that whole “time” motif going on, I think it loosely encapsulates a lot of Johto and Ecruteak’s general themes of preserving traditions and embracing the past pretty well. and with it being only found at night and learning Hypnosis, Dream Eater and a lot of ghost type moves, I feel like it would be a good fit for him and I think it fits that ‘spiritual’ vibe you’re going for very well. I would keep Falkner’s Pidgey, since it’s kind of the quintessential “bird keeper” Pokémon, and it fits better with Murkrow’s more jagged and “rough” looking design and scrappy temperament, even though it can’t bring that same utility that Hoothoot does. plus, owls are known to symbolize wisdom in literature, and it could loosely represent Morty’s pursuit of knowledge in his ultimate goal of meeting Ho-oh. I just don’t think Falkner has the maturity to wield one.

[@OKreations]

I think if I had to not do Murkrow, I think noctowl would be the move it’s a fun idea!

[@RedDragonForce2]

MandJTV did this idea as well, but it’s great to hear other people share their take on it!

[@OKreations]

Awesome!

[@vicwunder3062]

Your team for Bugsy is just what I was thinking for him! I like all of your ideas, though!

[@OKreations]

Amazing glad to hear it!

[@alexandrenadu]

My changes: Falkner - Natu and Pidgey (day) - Hoothoot and Murkrow (night) Bugsy - Spinarak, Ledian and Scyther Whitney - Furret, Aipom and Miltank (cute pokémon but not gived fairy type) Morty - Misdreavus, Stantler and Gengar (yeah, three pokémon)

[@OKreations]

Wow I really like the idea of giving Falkner a day or night team

[@Amelia4111]

Stantler is not a Ghost-type, it's a Normal-type!

[@OKreations]

I’m well aware😁

[@TotalAnalyst2]

​@@Amelia4111based on Pokedex entry/lore and it's design it makes more sense to be part ghost than the hundredth pure normal type like furret Milktank and urasing

[@samikazbe]

Milktank is still giving me nightmare from childhood haha

[@OKreations]

Miltank will never stop haunting us😂

[@sadbear101]

First time anyone has ever said Ledian is to strong for anything

[@Alice-FE]

I think Unown could be usable on Morty's team if it was always ghost and it was an M for Morty, and it held a Choice Specs

[@OKreations]

That could’ve been a good addition! I think it would’ve been fun if the hidden power it had was random

[@Killua481]

Its about time the Johto leaders got a proper glow up

[@OKreations]

Ikrrrr

[@megamonster333]

Everything explained in the beginning of the video is exactly why I'm working on my own ROM, fixing weird level scaling, improving gyms, moves etc too. Thanks for this video, really helps inspire how to improve things

[@OKreations]

Amazing! Good luck! I’m working on one myself! DS rom hacking is tough

[@megamonster333]

@OKreations Certainly a lot of effort, going through every route, trainer and stat block takes a toll lol. Good luck with yours too, hopefully comes out well :D

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much dood! It’s been fun tho haha

[@MortenLongbottom]

Love that Morty has a Stantler on his team, it works so well, I had a Stantler in Gold and it was very powerful. Also he could add a Girafarig maybe.

[@OKreations]

I was thinking of Girafarig too!

[@daltonnaylor5701]

Love this can’t wait for part 2

[@tonyg9775]

One of the reasons why Storm Silver and Sacred Gold are masterpieces is because they fixed Johto very well

[@Acacius1992]

I highly can also recommend Crystal Legacy

[@Subzi259]

great video! one of my favorites. i've seen some of this type of changes and by far, this is the most accurate for me. can't wait for part 2

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much for the feedback I’m glad to hear it! Part 2 coming out next week!

[@vitorcortereal]

1:00 there's the onix that you trade for a bellsprout too

[@OKreations]

Yeah I totally forgot about that! Thanks!

[@Alejandro-uk6us]

Amazing video, will you make a video fixing the second gen Kanto leaders?? That would be a lot of work, but always bothers me to see Blue using his regular team and not adjust to the original Ground-Type Gym

[@OKreations]

I’m considering it at the moment, but I’m feeling like it wouldn’t be as necessary, but I’ll think about it!

[@armorbearer9702]

I do not think removing Pidgeotto is the right move for Falkner.Pidgeotto is too iconic and can provide a good challenge if given good moves. Take away Tackle and give Pidgeotto Mud Slap and Secret Power. Mud Slap hits both Mareep and Geodude for Super Effective damage. I know the damage is low, but the main draw is the accuracy drop. Landing Rock Throw will be challenging after a few Mud Slaps. Secret Power will do decent damage to Mareep and has a good chance of Paralysis. The paralysis and accuracy drop will give Pidgeotto turns to use Roost.

[@OKreations]

That’s fair enough, I think for me it’s pretty egregious that Falkner doesn’t have a gen 2 flying type on his team at the very least

[@Savannah_Simpson]

Snubble on Whitney’s team ( a second Pokémon that would be retroactively become a fairy type) lends credence to the idea that had Whitney been introduced gen 6 or later she’d have been a fairy type specialist. Though that’d mean she’d lose Miltank which is kind of the Pokemon that makes Whitney, Whitney.

[@OKreations]

Fun thought!

[@ivanbluecool]

Teams I would pick. Gym 1: mucrow and impossible noctowl. Gym 2: ledian spinarak and Scyther. Gym 3: clafairy teddiuraa milktank. Gym 4: mistridus Gengar haunter and stantler for coverage Gym 5 hymochop poliwrath heracross and machoke Gym 6: skarmory steelix magniton fortress. So much coverage now. Gym 7: weavil(or sneasil) delibird dewgong momoswine(line) would be strong Gym 8: kindra dragonair garados mantine and another Dragonair to give you a major challenge

[@OKreations]

Mantine is a fun pick I like that!

[@ivanbluecool]

@@OKreations clair is basically a dragon of the sea so I can see her use it plus these pokemon deserve some shine. Can't wait for gen 3 gyms. I got so many ideas like flannery using a castform sunny day set to show off this Pokemon's power.

[@OKreations]

Wow that’s such a fun and cool idea! I was considering jumping to x and y after doing Johtos elite four since I feel like they require a lot of change whereas Hoenn is like 95% okay imo

[@ivanbluecool]

@@OKreations well some of the gyms could use a tune up. Roxanne getting anorith and lileep to counter mudkip better. Brawly getting a breloom to show off that pokemon and so on. To really balance those teams out Yeah x and y is a mess and would probably take a lot longer to find what they could use

[@OKreations]

Yeah I wouldn’t want to go too crazy with Hoenn, I feel like the fossils might be a bit too much, I’m just happy with her being the first rock type gym leader that has an ace that doesn’t take 4x damage from 2/3 of the starter pokemon ya know? And yeah I could see breloom being the new ace there honestly that’s not a terrible play

[@stellarsub-orbital9922]

For Falkner you could also trade your Bellsprout for an Onix in the same town you battle him in.

[@OKreations]

Very true!

[@stellarsub-orbital9922]

@@OKreations tbf I tried it and Onix didn't obey me 😭

[@OKreations]

Oh yeahhh😂

[@yashsurana4617]

Clefairy and snubbull evolution line is a fairy type now!

[@OKreations]

Same thing, this is in HGSS, where fairy didn’t exist yet

[@absolute5172]

Pls, do with the Kanto post game too

[@unluckyomens370]

My first play through of hg (it was my first game I was like 10 or something) I I grinded levels on chicorita until I got it to meganium before I beat falkner because I just really wanted to beat him with my starter ig

[@OKreations]

Omg that’s wild😂 good on you

[@__Raphael_]

Great video I really want to see the part 2 :) And like usual here's the **TEXT WALL** of my opinion/personal changes: (yes I do have lots of fun writing all of this as I actually do research on movesets, etc..) >Falkner I really like giving him Murkrow and I was first going to say that falkner should have Noctowl but then I remembered that Murkrow stats are actually pretty good for a first form pkmn so yeah I don't have any changes to say xd. Side note: I would give the oran berry to hoothoot as murkrow will already be spamming roost regardless... making the bery almost useless probably. >Bugsy -I have many problems with Scyther I'll try to keep it simple: Quick attack at this point coming from scyther speed and attack with a possible focus energy is beyond dangerous, specially when nothing the player has actually outspeeds it making a counter attack with quick attack unlikely, instead scyther should have Hm Cut, would be something more unique and fitting considering you get it right after beating bugsy. Wing Attack and Focus Energy are the 2 moves I'm ok with, it's a good stab move + a buffing move showing the player how important said moves are. About U-turn I personally think Fury Cutter would be better, it's weak only 10 power, but with Focus Energy it can steam roll out of control, it's kinda lame that the only bug move scyther has forces him out of battle. -Ledyba is a pretty cool pokemon to add here, only thing I dislike is the combo of Supersonic and Reflect, it basically makes ledyba a rng hell where if you hit it you might not kill and if you don't hit you will just hurt yourself, safeguard would be slightly more interesting prevent the player from possibly status Scyther, also Swift instead of Comet Punch just makes more sense. - About spinarak I wouldn't change anything about it aside from the pokemon itself, Pineco with Rollout (I know it learns it only at 23), rapid spin, protect and bug bite (or spikes/toxic spikes) would be more interesting, but maybe too powerful xd. I think this changes don't make bugsy too overwhelming while actually making those other 2 mons useful (seriously ledyba atk sucks). >Whitney I really want to replace clefairy with Cleffa here xd. -Giving Cleffa instead of clefairy to whitney would also come along with a new moveset, sweet kiss, Covet, magical leaf and encore, it would allow cleffa to survive based on confusion luck, steal the player item and basically throw them off their feet in case they where depending on a item AND if it's a berry cleffa will be able to use it to heal. -Really love Snubull and don't have anything to change. -About Miltank I think Attract should be replaced with Defense Curl for the simple reason of throwing the players plans in the dumpster, basically that machop and possible use of rock smash becomes a bit less effective making the players either need to crit (which machop was ways of getting easily) or use a special attacker. >Morty I was at first thinking that Unown shouldn't be in the team but actually the idea of it being a random hidden power sounds cool (perhaps should even be something that the game autochanges based on what pokemon is on the field... basically becoming a counter to whatever you currently have on... or just be a fixed dark type HP to counter psychic and ghosts). By Morty I think gym leaders should start using more than a single held item, here's my idea: -To start off let's not replace Gastly with Misdreavus and instead let's change gastly utility, the moveset should be Confuse Ray, disable, Ominous Wind and Trick.. also giving this gastly a item like sticky barb to trade with the enemy for their item, it's a almost never used item and gastly can't do much else at this point in game so I don't see a reason not to make a little trickster. -About gengar I also think he's moveset is fine but perhaps dream eater would be a cool move? maybe too strong.. -BEGONE STANTLER! We are bringing Mismagius with the moveset of Substitute (it would be like the doll is a little poltergeist), Perish Song, Pain Split and Thief, I really like the idea of taking players items. As for the item I would give Mismagius a Sitrus Berry to keep her healed for a bit longer.

[@OKreations]

These are great ideas! Love the cut idea as it still gets use of Technician making it do more damage than quick attack, and the switch to cleffa is fun idea as well taking away the item with Covet! The gastly trick set up is a wild idea I really love that idea especially because you never see that item being used a single time

[@mjm3091]

0:55 There is also Onix trade (won't listen though) and obviously Unowns also can have SE Hidden Power.

[@adantelee5017]

My version of fixing every Johto gym leaders in HGSS Falkner-Flying 1. Zubat 2. Murkrow 3. Hoothoot (ace) Bugsy-Bug 1. Ledian 2. Heracross 3. Scyther (ace) Whitney-Normal 1. Aipom 2. Jigglypuff 3. Chancey 4. Miltank (ace) Morty-Ghost 1. Haunter 2. Marowak (cause of the Marowak ghost in Kanto & Marowak’s Alolan variant) 3. Misdreavus 4. Gengar (ace) Chuck-Fighting 1. Poliwrath 2. Machoke 3. Heracross 4. Hitmontop (ace) Jassmine 1. Skarmory 2. Magneton 3. Amphoros / Amphy 4. Steelix (ace) Pryce-Ice 1. Jynx 2. Dewgong 3. Weavile 4. Mamoswine (ace) Clair-Dragon 1. Feraligator 2. Yanmega 3. Dragonair 4. Gyrados 5. Kingdra (ace)

[@AlexxPokemonnTrainer]

I think Whitney should have Cleffa, Igglybuff and Miltank. The baby pokemon are perfect for her. They are newly introduced, she is right by the day care and she loves cute pokemon. They may be weak, but clefairy isn't that strong either.

[@willgpb_]

Togepi would've been a great call honestly, it's the symbol of baby Pokémon

[@AlexxPokemonnTrainer]

@@willgpb_ Togepi would fit great as well. Didn't even think about that

[@OKreations]

That’s a really fun idea that would’ve been a cool fight to get!

[@IamtheEkco]

i think bugsy should have a yanma because he’s the authority of bug pokemon and it would show off a rare pokemon to the player

[@OKreations]

I could see where you’re coming from on this, could make it a little more interesting!

[@IamtheEkco]

@@OKreations i do love the changes overall tho

[@OKreations]

Thanks I appreciate it👍

[@venomgaming7014]

I have an idea for bugsy. He’d have 3 Pokémon, but the other 2 are spinarak and parasect. I picked parasect to teach that some Pokémon have weaknesses that do more damage than normal and spinarak is adorable.

[@OKreations]

I do like the parasect pick that’s a fun one

[@nc5958]

My teams are based on GSC instead of HGSS: Falkner: Level 7 Pidgey, Level 9 Pidgeotto Bugsy: Level 14 Metapod, Level 14 Kakuna, Level 16 Scyther Whitney: Level 18 Clefairy, Level 20 Miltank Morty: Level 21 Gastly, Level 23 Haunter, Level 25 Gengar, Level 25 Gengar Yes. I gave Morty two Level 25 Gengar. The first one will use Hypnosis+Dream Eater and the second one will use Hypnosis+Nightmare. I kept the cocoons on Bugsy's team but his Scyther should have known Focus Energy in GSC.

[@hugolicious1886]

wow this was actually insanely good, you’re talented and definitely deserve more love and attention. Very professional production and good commentary as well as your improvements making a lot of sense being very fair

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much for the feedback that’s great to hear! Get ready for part 2 coming out tomorrow👀

[@hugolicious1886]

@@OKreations LETS GOOOOO PERFECT TIMING

[@thisrandomdude2880]

Murkrow with pursuit in the first gym is a bit too much imo. The player shouldn't be deincentivized to switch their pokemon in battle in gym 1. The move being used in gym 3-4 to teach the player that sometimes, switching can be punished, is a better lesson in gane design. The player would have learned that hey, don't be afraid to switch to a better pokemon when your current one isn't suited for the task, then impart them with a lesson to be careful though, as some pokemon can take advantage of this and punish your decision, so be strategic when switching.

[@OKreations]

You know what yeah I agree with that! Maybe I stick thief there instead?

[@TotalAnalyst2]

Great video what site did you use

[@OKreations]

Thanks! Wdym what site? I used bulbapedia to pull the existing teams in HGSS

[@TotalAnalyst2]

@@OKreations to edit this and post it so neatly

[@OKreations]

Oh I made the visuals in Figma and edited it together in Premiere Pro

[@octolockg5059]

You're smoking something, Furret is fluffy and cute which would perfectly suit a girl who cries to losing.

[@OKreations]

That’s fair idk why I’m not seeing it but maybe I really just see normal types that turn fairy later work better for her but idk

[@sagitiger]

for morty i've always thought alongside misdreavus, he should have either a dunsparce or an eevee or both to replace the haunters, both can learn shadow ball and dunsparce is based on a mythical creature tsuchinoko which ties in to morty's obsession with legends while eevee can reference the ecruteak dance theatre, for bugsy and whitney, i try to keep their pokemon mostly johto based so ledian and yanma for bugsy instead of kakuna and metapod, its not like ledian is that powerful and give whitney teddiursa and snubbull and get rid of clefairy, for falkner a spearow and underleveled noctowl

[@TotalAnalyst2]

I still think snulbull could have ice fang instead of fire fang to counter geoduedes and onix. Ice and thunder could hurt a lot of Pokemon

[@OKreations]

Good point!

[@epicmarioplayer45]

You’ve improved from the first team fixing video!

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much I appreciate the feedback!

[@neosparda4897]

I have always wondered, why don't Johto Gym Leaders use the Pokémon from their region? Falkner has Hoothoot and Natu, Bugsy has Spinarak and Yanma, and Morty has Misdreavus. I would have left Falkner his Pigeotto, but you fixed the teams very well 👍🏻✨

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much I appreciate it! Like your ideas as well

[@neosparda4897]

​@@OKreationsThanks for taking my ideas into account. In my case I would give Falkner a Natu, Morty would have Murkrow instead of Stantler and I would give Whitney a Aipom. Even so, I insist that your ideas are much better and I regret that the Gold/Silver games were not like that 👌🏻✨

[@OKreations]

Nice!

[@chrisgonzales4420]

Honestly think pidgy and noctowl for Faulkner would be good and demonstrate the day and night mechanic.

[@Amelia4111]

Pidgey* (left off the E), Falkner* (there is no U)

[@OKreations]

Fair that’s a cool team right there!

[@JacobL228]

Falkner actually has a Hoothoot in the anime. It's a physical one, though, as the only moves it uses are tackle and peck. He also has a Natu in a manga that knows Leer, Teleport, Confuse Ray, and Peck. The ongoing Pokémon manga even gives him a Pidgeotto, a Noctowl (with Foresight), and a Keen Eye Skarmory (with Swift, Agility, and Steel Wing). For the Ledyba you gave Bugsy, why would you use one with the Swarm ability, but not give it any bug-type moves? U-Turn and Bug Buzz are both available via TM and breeding, respectively. If you don't want to give it one of those, give it a different ability. Also, he actually does have a Spinarak in the anime, which knows the moves String Shot and Poison Sting. I also thought it was funny that you brought up giving Morty an Unknown, since in the aforementioned ongoing manga, Bugsy, a member of an archeology team exploring the Ruins of Alph, gets his hands on an Unknown (a G). He also has a Heracross which knows the moves Horn Attack, Megahorn, Endure, and Takedown. I have no notes for Whittney. Finally, instead of giving Morty a Stantler, even though it's more of a Hoenn pokemon, I'd use Duskull, since it's the base form of one of his Fighting Dojo team members, Dusknoir, and unlike Drifloon and Sableye, can be obtained in both Heart Gold and Soul Silver if you just go to the Safari Zone after a certain number of days of gaining the block point system.

[@OKreations]

Thanks for the feedback I like all of your points here, yeah I def should’ve put early bird on the ledyba that’s my b! I feel like putting a pidgey instead of the hoothoot might’ve been okay since you already fight a decent hoothoot in the sprout tower against elder li. Yeah duskull would be fun I just wanted to only use Kanto and Johto mons

[@KoolBeanz101]

I like these changes I would make a few changes. I think falkner could be fine just replacing pideotto with noctowl, However I think murkrow is a cool idea and makes sense. I will say tho that if you do that you should add natu since you can find one at the ruins of alph iirc (Which is right under violet city). He has all three of thier evos in the B2W2 world tournamne t so it could work. I think for Bugsy, ledyba should be evolved because it makes him a bit stronger without making him overpowered since ledian isn't that strong. Also I think spinarak could be replaced with yanma since it fits with his u turn stats and could use detect speed boost, but spinarak works tbh. I think whitney is ok, but I think clefairy could be replaced with teddiursa. Thats just me tho, and maybe you could keep clefairy so that her whole team is pink (which is pretty fun). but all around I like the changes you made 👍

[@willgpb_]

I actually think Natu is a better fit for Falkner than Murkrow actually. I usually choose it when I'm remaking these teams in my imagination

[@OKreations]

These are cool changes thanks! I like Murkrow over natu here because it’s bst is much higher and serves as a better replacement to a middle stage like pidgeotto, plus I think Murkrow design fits better with what Falkner is going for. I was thinking about adding yanma but I think giving each pokemon bug/flying on the team would be a little boring especially after just facing the flying gym leader

[@KoolBeanz101]

@@OKreations I meant that falkner could use three pokemon, adding natu to the team and keeping murkrow as the ace (its fine tho if you misunderstood) Also I see what you mean about not giving bugsy all bug flying types cuz of falkner alrready being a flying gym leader (I was also thinking about that too but thought it would be fine)

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

I absolutely agree with your Snubbull pick for Whitney, but if a Johto game were to be remade and add the Fairy type, I'd replace it with a Shiny Aipom. Gen 2 was the first gen to introduce shiny Pokémon, shiny Aipom is pink and cute, and I think it could do wonders for Whitney's team, being a fast, annoying, but not too strong lead to make Miltank all the more difficult. Also, THANK YOU, I've been wanting to have Falkner use a Murkrow for so long because it's not just a good first gym leader ace, it also teaches the player about the Dark type, which is completely new to Johto. Bugsy's team is perfect, I always struggle between choosing that or just a singular Scizor as a massive threatening bug to showcase how much above the other bug catchers he is for his team. For Morty, I was thinking maybe instead of Stantler, he could have a Marowak, as it has a huge association with the ghost type, both with its Alolan form and how Marowak are often said to die in the games. It would even fit Morty's character, as he wants to find Ho-oh, a Pokémon known for bringing others back to life and instilling joy, so maybe his Marowak was a Cubone who Morty got and wants to find Ho-oh to revive his mom or something. Idk. It just helps to have a Pokémon that isn't walled by Special tanks as well, giving him more variety.

[@OKreations]

I like the shiny Aipom pick that’s cool! I feel like scizor would be interesting if you want to also introduce the player to steel earlier on like Murkrow with dark, and the marowak seems decent but I also don’t think cubone is in Johto at all but that isn’t too big of a deal

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

@@OKreations You can get Cubone in the Goldenrod Game Corner as a reward, I think.

[@OKreations]

I’m pretty sure it’s just the version exclusive of ekans or Sandshrew, then Abra and Dratini

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

@@OKreations Nope, you can get it in all versions in Rock Tunnel apparently

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

Er, the game corner award might be a version exclusive, idk, but you can find it in all three games!

[@andrerodriguesperez1412]

Considering HGSS i would definitely put a Mismagius on Morty's team.

[@OKreations]

Fair enough! I think gym 4 might be slightly too early and kinda overlaps with Fantina but that’s not a big deal Fantina is 3rd gym in platinum

[@nxtlvlzeph]

10:13 you can also get a girafarig which completely cheeses Morty 😭

[@OKreations]

That’s also a good point haha

[@darkraiknight386]

I'm not a fan of removing Falkner's Pidgeotto/Pidgeot, b/c 1) he's the first-ever Flying-type Gym Leader, so him having the quintessential Flying-type for his ace is perfect, and 2) I'm usually not a fan of changing a Trainer's ace in general (but that's just my opinion). Other than that, I love these team changes!

[@OKreations]

That’s fair I understand that! Thanks for the feedback!

[@joshuafoote5144]

To be fair I feel like the level scaling was improved in the remakes.

[@OKreations]

They didn’t fix it enough if they did😂

[@willgpb_]

I know you're basing yourself off of HGSS, but if this rework was done in a hypothetical game where fairy types exist, what changes would you do to Whitney's team? I personally think Jigglypuff (to replace Clefairy) and Teddiursa could work, on top of Miltank who needs no change, but I'd love to see your choices

[@OKreations]

Well I’m assuming you mean that Whitney would still be a normal type and the clefairy would need to be changed? Yeah I think Jigglypuff with the same treatment of a move only gotten from Igglybuff and maybe teddiursa, I think it would be super cool to give her a smeargle but I’m not sure if that would really work for me, imagine giving Solon a set up move plus baton pass into the miltank👀

[@StellarCove]

I feel like in the modern era Whitney would 100% be a fairy type gym leader, she loves cute pokemon after all, and a lot of them are fairy type now

[@hannarowan8735]

These are really nice teams you have, and I have a couple suggestions for the others. For Claire, I think Feraligatr would fit very well on her team as a foil to Lance’s Charizard. It helps that Feraligatr can learn dragon moves. Pryce: Since you are using HGSS, maybe consider putting Weavile on his team? Jynx, Lapras and/or Cloyster are other mons I can see him using. Chuck: he should use Hitmontop definitely, as well as Heracross

[@OKreations]

Love the feraligatr idea that’s fun! Cool suggestions, I think you’ll like part 2, comes out friday

[@BGMaxie]

I wanna share my thoughts here. Though generally your changes are on point I think some things need to be addressed up. 1) I personally did not like the Murkrow change, for once it does away with Falkner's main Pokemon, which would be akin to removing Brock's Onix. It's just thematically inadequate to do it. To say nothing that Murkrow is a plot significant revelation because you get to see it in Team Rocket's HQ, and as part of Ariana's team. So the Murkrow change is not good for many reasons. Pidgeotto can stay, it's a fine mon. 2) I'm of two minds regarding Scyther. I don't think giving it Wing Attack is necessary. Scyther is a 500 BST body with massive ATK and Spd and will outspeed everything found in game up to that point. It legitimately does not need another STAB move. U-Turn is already a big buff given it gets to cheap hit you for free. Changing into Metapod makes sense as it is a relatively more durable mon even if it does nothing else. That said I like the Ledyba/Spinarak changes those are fine. The rest is fine. But if possible avoid changing the main mons of each boss, it's just not good from a design standpoint.

[@OKreations]

Hey thanks for the feedback! I think your points are fair here, I think my reasoning for changing pidgeotto is that I never found this being Falkner’s ace being iconic to me personally, it was always forgettable that he used the previous generation’s route 1 bird, but at the same time those roles weren’t really established yet so idk. And yeah I agree that adding wing attack is pretty strong I might consider taking it off in the future.

[@RaxusPrime29]

My Johto gym leaders roster would be Falkner: Natu Lv 10 Murkrow Lv 11 Noctowl Lv 13 Bugsy: Ledyba (Day) Lv 13 Or Spinarak (Night) Lv 13 Pineco Lv 14 Yanma Lv 14 Scyther Lv 16 Whitney: Snubull Lv 19 Aipom Lv 18 Teddiursa Lv 19 Miltank Lv 21 Morty: Gastly Lv 23 Haunter Lv 24 Misdreavous Lv 25 Gengar Lv 26

[@OKreations]

Love it!

[@axw40]

My take for Morty's team: Haunter Misdreavus Shiny Ninetales (for the kitsune yokai vibes) Gengar

[@OKreations]

That’s wild but I also love it

[@willgpb_]

Actually, especially considering Shinys were introduced in Gen II, giving one to a Gym leader would be a great way to teach the player about them cause, as far as I'm aware, there's no major character that talks about it in-game

[@OKreations]

Yeah I agree that would’ve been a super cool thing for gamefreak to have done, kinda surprised we didn’t get something close to that!

[@brunokb98]

Clicked for the thumbnail... Looks so awesome 👌🏼

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much I appreciate it!

[@1rkhachatryan]

Personally I would give Faulkner Skarmory as his ace. Everyone says it's too strong but at level 13 it just knows Peck and Swift and Roost lol. I think Mareep and Cyndaquil shouldn't struggle too much with it.

[@OKreations]

I guess that would be fair but I think skarmory’s bst is too high for gym 1, I think Murkrow is a great balance, plus what if the player doesn’t have cyndaquil or mareep

[@1rkhachatryan]

@@OKreations Then Geodude and Onix both still do neutral Rock damage while Skarmory doesn't know a steel move so it can't hit back. The whole point of gyms is to go in prepared, if you don't go in with a pokemon that is good against Flying types, that's on you lol.

[@OKreations]

Yeah fair enough haha!

[@KoolBeanz101]

Also if I was making new teams for the rest of the gym leaders: Chuck - Hitmontop, Primeape, Sudowoodo, Poliwrath (I just wanna say that I love that smithplays added sudowoodo to his team. It gives him coverage agianst flying types, it learns alot of fighting moves and it just seems like a mon chuck would use. Pls the fact the new cianwood gym has alot of water makes me think that chuck trained sudowoodo to get over it's fear of water, which is fun to me and maybe you could give it thunder punch to show this. It also makes it so that bruno can have heracross on his team) Jasmine - Skarmory, Magneton, Foretress, Steelix Pryce - Dewgong, Sneasel, Jynx, Mamoswine Claire - Dragonair(x2), Gyarados, Lapras, Kingdra Also you could keep the corsola and cloyster jasmine and pryce get in thier crystal legacy teams, or maybe make it so depending who you fight first will have 4 pokemon and the one you fight after will have 5 (or make them both have 5 regardless). If you do that make sure chuck is required to be fought 5 and then you can pick for jasmine and pryce.

[@peshomighty5051]

Yeah a diverse team of Pokemon for gym leaders, elite four and champion. Infact I loved how Lance, Agatha, Lorelei and Flint had to use Pokemon outside of their types. Yeah I totally agree on using Pokemon that are similar like using ghost or psychic Pokemon for a dark team. Or if a poison team include a grass/poison or a Pokemon with levitate. Or in flints case fiery Pokemon like fighting types and normal types.

[@Amelia4111]

Clair does not end with an E!

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

My thoughts on your "improvements"; 1. Falkner is difficult. I agree with the pidgey change to hoot hoot and giving it reflect (let's TM) and hypnosis for support. But I don't like the Murkrow addition. Just because I think it fits the occult obsessed Morty better. I honestly think Pidgeotto is too iconic and fits him to well to remove. And mostly, because Murkrow just doesn't fit him. 2. For bugsy, I just agree. 3. I don't agree with Snubbel, as it's just not cute. And it's actually more popular with older women, and not the lass trainer. I think something like Nidorina, Jigglypuff, Mayby or Clefable. Since they either appear with her in the anime or pokemon adventure manga. I think her team (while even stronger now, stat wise), would be better with one of these. Or even using Aimpon. Since I also want some representation for lesser used pokemon's, I would argue for Aimpon as her third member. 4. For Morty, I agree. Although I would change his Haunter for Murkrow. It might remove some difficulty, but I don't think that has to be the case. It would give him some diversity, add representation to an underused pokemon, remove an overused pokemon, and just fits his theme better.

[@OKreations]

Thanks again for the feedback! I think it’s fair that you don’t necessarily agree with Murkrow, it’s a little out there, so that’s fine, I think if it’s not Murkrow I would do pidgey then hoothoot just to make it a little more varied, I really think snubbull is a perfect fit but I respect your change to aipom I like that guy too! And Murkrow on Morty imo is the same amount of a stretch if not more than for Falkner but I also think it could totally work as an option!

[@luisadolfothewolf7042]

Come to think, did Morty have a Stantler on Pokémon Stadium 2? I can't remember

[@OKreations]

No I think he had a Girafarig!

[@luisadolfothewolf7042]

@@OKreations yeah, I looked it up and it was a Girafarig, my bad

[@OKreations]

All good👍

[@seldomsane5278]

Wide lens on Gengar kinda broken ;) Nice gym ideas though.

[@OKreations]

Thanks I appreciate the feedback! I figured if it’s whole strat is revolving around sleep, might as well let it shine!😂

[@seldomsane5278]

@@OKreations lol, I can get behind that 👍

[@uroso8193]

Only pokemon I wish I saw and I didn't was farfetch as first gyms ace 📈

[@OKreations]

Fun idea I didn’t consider!

[@uroso8193]

​@@OKreations🔥

[@kennethaninon6913]

my suggestions: 1 thing I'd disagree about Whitney's Clefairy is Magical Leaf, I'd go for Thunderbolt, I'd also change Murkrow's Astonish for Assurance

[@OKreations]

Thunderbolt would be wild by gym 3, I like the assurance

[@kennethaninon6913]

@@OKreations I guess you're right about Thunderbolt, it's just trying to make Clefairy more advantage against Steel-type, which resists Grass....

[@peshomighty5051]

How about mud slap? See ground is the perfect coverage move.

[@kennethaninon6913]

@@peshomighty5051 you could be right, for which Pokemon, if it's ok to ask?

[@peshomighty5051]

@@kennethaninon6913 for clefairy duh. The types that resist normal are rock and steel what beats steel? Mud shot and earth power. Infact fire Pokemon should have a grass move, I mean water Pokemon learn ice moves by level up, fighting types learn dark, and even psychic types learning shadowball.

[@rjd-kh8et]

I actually think Aipom WOULD fit Whitney, since there's some old art from the Game Freak website of Aipom holding a baseball with Whitney wearing a baseball glove.

[@OKreations]

Now that I know that that would be cool

[@brunodavid8201]

👏👏👏

[@gustavoalkimin4512]

Falkner = Same Team Bugsy = Yanma, Shuckle and Heracross Whitney = Lickitung, Girafarig and Miltank Morty = Haunter, Misdreavus and Gengar

[@OKreations]

I appreciate the more wild changes here! I understand not giving bugsy scyther but I really think highlighting a section of the Kanto Pokédex that didn’t get a spotlight in Kanto is part of what the original gen 2 games were trying to do, plus I like saving heracross for a later gym as it’s pretty early on to deal with it

[@gunther1454]

Bugsy: has literally 2 hard shell pokemons Him: yeah I don’t think Shuckle vibes with Bugsy Me: 🤨🤨 Shuckle literally a rock type Metapod able to use other moves with way higher defenses

[@OKreations]

Fair

[@jean-paulmaton7000]

Ledyba and hoothoot both have reflect.while you were sayinghoothoot has light screen

[@OKreations]

Wow not sure how I missed that I appreciate that catch!

[@thetsanation8664]

Is there a mod base on these changes

[@OKreations]

Yeah I’m working on it right now! Check out my play testing stream to see some of the other changes I’ve made to the early game

[@this_is_america_speaking]

Heart gold and soulsilvers leveling is so bad that normally I end up only training two Pokemon cause im to lazy to grind on level 20s outside of the 8th gym

[@OKreations]

The only thing I did like about this system is the rematching trainers aspect, I feel like I never actually did that tho because it was so optional ya know?

[@this_is_america_speaking]

@@OKreations yeah for sure even with HeartGold and soul silvers problems I still love them they are definitely my favorite games in the series

[@Horatio786]

Snubbull could be replaced with Teddiursa, but that's the only real nitpick I have.

[@OKreations]

Just out of curiosity what made you go for teddi over snubbull?

[@Horatio786]

@@OKreations Crystal Legacy sold me on it. Snubbull still works, though.

[@OKreations]

Fair enough!

[@MrAppleSalad]

I'm really not a fan of the Stantler as it's against the spirit of monotype gym leaders. Why not give the Unown a Choice Specs?

[@OKreations]

I mean unown isn’t ghost type either, I do really wanna give him an unown

[@Cody-gu8li]

Instead of focus energy should of gave scyther swords dance cause he had it in the anime

[@OKreations]

Fun idea!

[@getkosiorekt8345]

Great changes! I love how you made Murkrow Falkner's Ace, I've always thought it should have been his ace. The extra thing it does is to introduce the player to the Dark type when their Psychic moves from Butterfree for instace don't do any damage. Bugsy's and Whitney's teams look good, no need for extra super strong threats when Miltank and Scyther are so intimidating, I'd only consider putting in Furret as it doesn't get love and it absolutely fits Whitney, you could even give it Focus Blast and Thunderbolt to represent the Department Store and Pokeathlone, it isn't too outrageous with Furret's low special attack and is extra coverage. Morty I always pictured with a Ninetales. It's not a Ghost type, but it's found very close Ecruteak, it's based off of Kitsune from Japanese legends, it has the mystical aura which suits Morty and it can learn many Ghost Moves like Grudge, Spite, Confuse Ray and Omnimous Wind. It'd also be an extra bit of coverage for Morty

[@OKreations]

Love the furret and Ninetales picks here

[@Kintix1]

im here

[@OKreations]

Kintix what’s up!

[@Kintix1]

Im on a another vacation i never asked for and i lost all the progress i made on The game. so it might take a little bit longer

[@Kintix1]

And instead of making a extra area to fire red ill make a fire red and heart gold romhacks so u get 2 but i might still try to make fire red but better

[@arifprasetyo9279]

I'm sorry but perhaps change the Cleafairy because it's fairy Type and the unknown could be found at Ruin of Alpha Right down the Ecruatec city maybe change morty to Golbat because it can used astonish or houndour because Legendary beast

[@OKreations]

All good! The clefairy is still normal type in gen 4 and I think it fits Whitney here but I see your point! Thanks for the feedback!

[@sweetheartmashupsbabe]

If HGSS had a challenge mode I think these changes would be great

[@prettyannoying1542]

Did you really put Whitney on screen when you said about underwealming?

[@OKreations]

😁

[@conansglasses2645]

I think a cool idea would be to give some gym leaders a pokemon outside their type specialty that matches their vibe Bugsy- larvitar , a larva pokemon + trip up people who think they can sweep bugsy with quilava and rock and flying types , with its rock and ground moves Whitney- Nidorina , a girly pokemon that resists fighting types but also puniches the physical fighting types with poison point Morty- instead of Haunter how about Natu ? Mortys whole deal is that he's the " mystic seer if the future " who can see glimpses if the futures and is using that ability to one day encounter Ho-Oh , so I feel like Natu thematically fits perfectly with all of it and Xatus dex entries talk about how they constantly see both the past and future with each of their eyes Chuck- Ursaring, i guess it works as a reference to the euphemism of a strong man becoming formidable by wrestling with bears , plus Ursaring can counter any Psychic type with crunch + its Violet pokedex entry says : " It is quite skilled at climbing trees. If it comes across a Primeape while searching for berries in the treetops, trouble will surely ensue." So I guess you can say that Chuck found his Primeape and Ursaring fighting and caught them at the same time . Jasmine- Corsola, its canon that she was a rock type gym leader before her onix evolved and this would be a neat callback to it + it trips up people who think they can sweep her team with a fire type Pryce- Donphan, yeah its an elephant but I guess you can say that its related to mammoth + it does get both Ice Fang and Technician Ice Shard , its also a good counter to people who try to sweep Pryces slow team with Typhlosion or any other fire type

[@OKreations]

Wow the larvitar pick is super fun I love this! Also you’re gonna like my chuck when part 2 comes out on friday

[@ghfero29]

I still never understood how they put Falkner as the 1st gym leader when he has the type advantage against bugsy, bugsy supposed to be the first gym

[@OKreations]

What? I don’t think that’s how gym leaders work😂 they aren’t like ranked like that they are just in a random order

[@ghfero29]

@OKreations but I think it would make more sense

[@OKreations]

Yeah I just don’t think that’s how that works haha, but interesting idea!

[@mellekeen1146]

I just want morty to have a hisuian typhlosian

[@OKreations]

Would be a good pick if it was in gen 4!

[@Trekov1]

bugsy in thumbnail i click

[@OKreations]

Good to know

[@infinity6871]

This entire problem can be fixed if they just add difficulty OPTIONS damn bro

[@OKreations]

They even gave us that in B2W2 but they kinda implemented it poorly and then took it away

[@gulash3483]

Could you make an hack rom with those changes?

[@OKreations]

I gotchu it’s in the works right now!

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

Ah, he realized splitting up the gym leaders, allows for more videos.

[@OKreations]

Mayyyybeeeee, but also I wasn’t going to be able to get all of the 8 gyms out by the time I posted this

[@BrotherHood-xh9sg]

@@OKreations I mean, can't blame you. Keeping in mind that you have to try to stay relevant for youtube's algorithm, the competition and the additional ad revenue. It makes sense to do this. It's only sad for impatience viewers like me, who want to see the entire thing at once.

[@OKreations]

Well you won’t have to wait too long I’m gonna post it next weekend!

[@gokuworld]

Fix them in pkmn stadium 2

[@FirstLast-mn4re]

I think it'd be cool to cheat a little bit and give Morty a Froslass, I know its a gen 4 mon, but Snorunt is a gen 2 pokemon, and I'd rather the gym leaders keep the typing of the gyms accurate. It'd also kind of fit with the kimono girls with the eeveelutions in Ecruteak Its cheating but its only cheating a little bit.

[@OKreations]

Snorunt is a gen 3 mon actually!

[@FirstLast-mn4re]

@@OKreations shoot, I swear it was gen 2. Nevermind then.

[@OKreations]

I like the idea tho! Snorunt is only found in the back room of shoal cave that’s only the accessible like half the time it’s strange

[@LBerti96]

0:50 You missed the trade onyx

[@OKreations]

Oh that’s a great find thanks for pointing that out!

[@saiyan4414]

The crazy thing is every time I see a video like this I just remembered that the anime did it perfectly.

[@OKreations]

So troo

[@benk1760]

Can someone do this changes as an actual rom hack? Or someone wanna do these things together?

[@OKreations]

I’m currently working on that right now!

[@benk1760]

@@OKreations oh really cool how far are u with that? lmk if I can give u any ideas or help u with somthing because im also interested Im doing things like this.. I started a similar thing for pokemon black 2 1 year ago but didnt continue sadly :/

[@OKreations]

Nice! Should be done soon, I’ll probably make a lite version with just these changes. Was wanting to make a more in depth rom hack

[@benk1760]

@@OKreations can u show it to me ?

[@OKreations]

I’ll drop it in my discord when it’s done probably

[@bretterry8356]

The thing I'd change is replacing Morty's stantler with girafarig. I always felt it had a creepy vibe. It would have the ability Inner Focus and the moves Power Swap (to mess with players that use a lot of setup), Stomp (stab), Psybeam (stab), and Double Kick (a breeding move and coverage against dark-types).

[@OKreations]

That’s a fun idea! I was def toying around with adding Girafarig, but I also think it’s a fun addition to Will’s team!

[@RoseSupreme]

Love videos like this, but... *...WHY* does everybody always put rapid-fire captions in the first 30-45 seconds of the video? It's annoying and not needed - not everyone can read that fast.

[@OKreations]

Gotta play into the algorithm😂 sorry!

[@RoseSupreme]

​@@OKreationsI'm certain you can get there without that. It's possible. And why's the Violet City music looped so awkwardly? Reminds me of HoopsandHipHop's weird obsession with looping the Johto Gym Leader theme at a particular point that's only a few seconds long before it eventually loops the song properly. I know I'm grumbling like an old geezer over minor things here, but...I'm just passionate and I'm tired of quite a few overused tropes on KZbin here - it's hard to come by someone who knows my style. Really though, your style is great despite those pet peeves I've mentioned, as well as that awful Subscribe beckon in the middle of the video. I get it's an algorithm thing, but it just comes off as cringeworthy. Best to just show it and not try to sound all fancy or funny about it. Show, don't tell. Sorry if I sound mean here...I'm brutally honest sometimes and don't really intend to sound mean. I know you guys mean well, as do I.

[@OKreations]

Yeah I used a loop thing in premiere and I think it just looped too short, I really appreciate the feedback, I don’t usually through a subscribe thing in the middle like that but I just wanted to try it out and test doing different things. But regardless I value the response and hope you stick around if I improve🫡

[@RoseSupreme]

@@OKreations Fair point. I use Vegas Pro for my videos, so it probably doesn't have access to rapid-fire captions, unless there's an addon that does that or I'm not looking hard enough. Not that it matters. Definitely sticking around for Part 2!

[@OKreations]

Thanks so much!

[@ItsFireTiger]

You forgot about Togetic 😔

[@OKreations]

Oh yeah! That would’ve been a wild pick tho I don’t think it would’ve matched

[@ItsFireTiger]

@@OKreations By technicality in Gen 2 it's the only fully evolved (not counting the ones who can't evolve at all in Gen 2) flying Mon in Johto that you can have at that level. For example you can have almost all of the Friendship Evolutions at level 2 aside from Crobat, Azumarill & Leavanny.

[@OKreations]

Yuppp good point

[@radicaldreamer927]

That goldenrod music loop in the background is actually super annoying lol

[@OKreations]

I’m sorry to hear that! Next time I won’t loop the music, I appreciate the feedback👍

[@radicaldreamer927]

@@OKreations Yeah, as soon as I noticed it I realized it was the same 4 measures over and over and it was pretty distracting 😅 thanks for responding!

[@OKreations]

I totally get that I should’ve changed it I had to listen to that while editing😂 of course!

[@geobeatle]

Hello oak

[@OKreations]

Yooo geo

[@geobeatle]

@@OKreations I am here

[@SquishyOfCinder]

Eeveelutions did NOT become the legendary beasts

[@Killer1984able]

"Part 1" is insane 😭 goes to show how terrible Johto's boss battle's were

[@OKreations]

Ikr😂 had to spend twice as long on each gym leader than I did with kanto