Fixing the Riverside Line is as Easy as Fixing International Trade - Metrolink's Problem Child

[@MassbyTrain]

The golf course advertises the proximity to 6 freeways

[@Pensyfan19]

INCREDIBLE video! I learned so much about LA's public transit and general history in this video, and your editing style and storytelling are great. Glad to see that you know Caleb as well, as I'm also a longtime fan of his channel as he even collabed on my branch line review of the Cynwyd Line.

[@msp4383]

Imagine if the Inland Empire had it its own transit. Could have even more localized transit within individual cities. One can dream.

[@skyh]

It had one when the Pacific Electric was still around.

[@richardweaver9682]

Metrolink just started a short line called Arrow between San Bernardino and Redlands. There plans to expand Metrolink out to Palm Springs also.

[@grantmarsh327]

I think we should quadruple track them both. 2 tracks for freight, 2 tracks for passenger.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

The Pennsylvania Rail Road's "Broad Way"! Although to be precise, they had two tracks for local traffic, (with frequent connections to industry sidings) and two tracks for long-distance. In some areas, they had six tracks, with two more to handle local passenger trains stopping alongside the other tracks.

[@betternotstartafamily3044]

Metrolink is actively being Bullied off the Los Angeles Sub by the Union Pacific. They do not want the company running on their rails; and it is evident by the daily significant delays. That 411 time slot they gave up; they will *never* see it back. The UP will never give back time slots. The same goes for Ventura. It is not SCRRA’s fault at all; they literally cannot control it. It is all Union Pacific as you have for the most part, correctly described in this video.

[@oscartorres96]

Well Metrolink Train M411 No more In October 21 M412 is Back I think More Former Metrolink Train Numbers one is M416.

[@jimg6476]

On the Ventura line the only competition is Amtrak. There is a freight hauler that goes from Gemco i.e. Van Nuys to Guadalupe and returns the next day. The Metrolink trains park overnight at Montalvo..

[@MiguelX413]

Please give me more resources so I can learn about that behavior.

[@oscartorres96]

@jimg6476 yes The Guadalupe Hauler then the Guadalupe to GEMCO yard

[@jdillon8360]

The humour and delivery mixed with the transport info hits the spot. Subscribed!

[@UncommonElevators]

In addition to expanding the UP-owned lines, it would be even better to see Metrolink buy out half the right of way of each. This was done in Virginia with CSX, and the state also managed to buy a little-used NS line recently. This could be useful along the Alhambra corridor since it would eliminate the single-track freeway median bottleneck on the San Bernardino line and possibly allow a Brightline extension into LA. The best part is that the trench already has room for more tracks.

[@ghoulannabanana]

Consider me impressed, insta-subscribed. We need more good content creators in/around the IE that aren't literally just realtors trying to get people to move here or people from LA/OC bashing on us. Your editing style is clean and high quality and your sense of humor matches the content well. Keep this shit up, my dude.

[@alejaan6778]

Pomona Ontario Montclair area have all the bones to have at least LA level public transit 😢

[@eshunker]

Oo get the pb and guac, it’s Petesake Day!

[@anitrain]

One note regarding the frequencies of the San Bernardino line, in addition to owning the tracks, SB county also makes more funding available for that line than any other line. That's why they can operate so many more trains. Riverside county is shaped oddly, with the city of Riverside nearly in the top corner and extending south to Temecula and east to palm springs and the Arizona border. There is no unified transportation plan.

[@pacificostudios]

Montebello/Commerce deserves a mention as the former location for UP's "outside downtown" train station called "East Los Angeles," and the building is still standing. It is just east of where the Riverside line crosses I-5 and Atlantic Avenue. Today, it's hard to imagine the "City of Los Angeles" or "Challenger" stopping in Commerce, CA, but it used to happen.

[@OnefastAZfarmtruck]

As someone who until recently spent his whole life in pedley (I lived 1 mile from pedley station). I can confirm that the city of jurupa valley has a major identity crisis. It was 100% better when it was unincorporated. The roads actually got fixed and it wasn’t a mad rush to turn every piece of farm land or dairy into a housing subdivision or warehouse

[@djft6944]

Moval res and ex UP railroader. This video is awesome

[@ivanoffw]

Based partly on this video, I am almost positive that the reason Amtrak has very poor service south of Portland is due to UP owning the track. The Cascades service has been expanding between Portland and Seattle, while today there are fewer trains between Portland and Eugene than when the service began. I am pretty sure that UP doesn't have any plans to double track the Brooklyn Subdivision ever.

[@Thesecret101-te1lm]

Side track: Which reasons, if any, do UP have to have a good relation with the public sector? Thinking that when Cali HSR is built, and with some additional passenger lines separated from freight, there isn't much need for the public sector to have a good relationship with UP any more.

[@S.P.foamer]

METROLINK EMD F59PH!!! I've only seen one and I live five miles from this rail line.

[@sailor_mikey]

Thank you so much for making this video. As I am too dissapointed with the new schedules for the Riverside Line come into play, now that I saw the video, there's more to the reason why it couldn't be expanded...not even by another train. As someone coming from Santa Monica going to another property in Pico Rivera, where the Riverside line runs right through, I would really wish for at least a Metrolink station somewhere along the line. Back in the early 90s before Metrolink was formed, there was a concept projected map where all the stations are built, there was actually supposed to be a Pico Rivera station on the Riverside Line when the line was created, but UP unfortunately doesen't want a infill station on its tracks. Fortunately there is going to be a Pico Rivera station in the works as a infill station on the BNSF tracks used by OC and 91 Lines....but it's years off. There is already a feedback out on Metrolink's webpage and eventually once all the feedback is gathered from the new Metrolink schedules, I do hope for a eventual future on the Riverside Line where at least the Montebello/Commerce gets more service at the least. Also, at 2:26, where did you find the guide to all the railroad subdivisions?

[@djpetesake]

Yeah I didn't mention it, but there were talks of adding a station at Rio Hondo College, which is kind of near Pico Rivera. The website is called rail.guide

[@guitarslim56]

Incredible video! Best of KZbin!

[@pacificostudios]

Not everyone knows that most of the San Bernardino line from Los Angeles to Claremont is the former Pacific Electric San Bernardino line, and from Claremont to San Bernardino, the ex-Santa Fe passenger mainline. None of this was ever a long-haul freight route. So its not surprising that ML has such a tight grip on the San Berdoo line and were lucky the governments bought it all up.

[@Bassotronics]

Superb video. Subscribed!

[@timmata8143]

Great Videos!! keep up the good work. great job with the details.

[@pavld335]

This was very educational. Thank you.

[@stanengle9412]

The Picard style window shattering scene always gets me.

[@onhiatus526]

12:12 You know another thing they need to do besides keeping that reverse commute train? They need to make the Lemon Ave grade crossing (LA Sub) a quiet zone! I live close to this crossing, and I can hear the horns of trains in the middle of the night! The Alhambra Sub crossing is already a quiet zone, while other roads crossing the LA Sub were grade separated. Since there's no room for Lemon Ave to be grade separated, they need to at least either make it a quiet zone or put wayside horns! Maybe they can do a partial quiet zone, where it is no horns from 10 pm to 7 am. Regardless, they need to improve the Riverside Line and if UP can, make Lemon Ave a quiet zone!

[@procrastinatingpuma]

I deeply appreciate the First Contact reference

[@timectrl]

yep this one is going to win

[@FJDad777]

This was fantastic!

[@sw8741]

When Metrolink and Weird Al collide! LOL On a different note, don't worry about actual history and being "raycist". I'm just wondering how did all my Mexican friends and the Chicano's morph into "Hispanics"? Apparently deeply rooted Californian Mexicans took up Aztec costume, headdresses and dances at every Mexi.....ummm..... official Hispanic celebration. And what about the Californios??

[@AvantGourd]

hell yeah pete, you've been popping off the last couple of videos 👀

[@Giratina1999]

The riverside line has potential to be the best line in the system. Union Pacific makes it unbearably hostile to schedule trains and their route through south ontario justifies its obscurity

[@bucketcreature]

if indeed the industry golf course funicular exists, it means that LA county has the most funiculars of any in america, thanks to the six flags magic mover

[@SCAX873]

8:07 As The Fact That I Live Here, It’s True, But Barely Any UP Freight Trains Go Through. There’s More Industrial Area Than Suburban Area. I Live By The Riverside Line And The SB Line. I Railfan At Upland More.

[@770hmbla]

The ending got me crying 😂

[@andrewvigil7407]

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[@djpetesake]

It's an old Numark EQ 2500D. I think I paid $1 for at a rummage sale.

[@drgwdrgw]

I don't like that Metrolink is taking away the Riverside Line 1:20pm trip out of Union Station, replacing it with at departure at 10:35 which is too early.

[@GenX-Gamore]

A nice ride and insite on the Metro Link As a gamer Train Sims now, TSW just added a second train you had in this video MP36, also At 13:04 how did you make this animation.

[@djpetesake]

I use Vegas Movie Studio

[@GenX-Gamore]

@@djpetesake oh okay, my daughter and I use Davinci resolve.

[@GobbiExists]

This was actually such a funny video, especially the last part. I learned a lot abt the Metrolink lines, and me personally, this just gives me more reason not to go to LA. Ok, I’m joking, but I guess the Riverside Line is basically the middle child of Metrolink service.

[@MDLC424]

Can we just get a discussion/explainer/complainer on every line *at some point*? Please.

[@Thesecret101-te1lm]

Sorry for commenting on an old video, and also only marginally relevant, but still: I think that Metrolink should electrify and double track the full San Bernadino line, convert it to higher level platforms for level boarding, and get a large enough quantity of modern EMUs to run it with metro style frequencies. In particular get many shorter EMUs rather than a few longer, to be able to run a high frequency service even outside of peak hours. To some extent this would initially be "unfair" to other lines, but in the long run this would demonstrate clearly what can be done if Metrolink owns the tracks, or have decent track rights (like for example any future shared tracks with Cali HSR or whatnot), which in turn would likely create political traction for buying right-of-way for the other lines. ===================== Re the line that UP mostly runs as a one way system: How about embracing that and run way more Metrolink trains in the "flow" direction than in the "contraflow" direction? If it would be feasible to add passenger services to the UP line that "flows" in the other direction, that could also be a operated with passenger services in one direction. Run a contra flow bus service, and/or run shuttle buses between stations on the two lines. It wouldn't be great but it would most likely at least be better.

[@djpetesake]

Yes, I feel the SB line would be the first to be electrified whenever that may be, and higher frequency EMU service would be great! Also there's no penalty for commenting on "old" videos

[@MassbyTrain]

No suprise this won the contest

[@bucketcreature]

FOURTEEN YEARS!!!

[@davidforsyth446]

If any additional track capacity upgrades are performed by these private carriers it would be to increase freight capacity, private carriers are under no obligation to accommodate Metro or any other entity on their lines.

[@ClassyWhale]

My wife is asking where to get your shirt for herself

[@djpetesake]

The shirt with the bikes was actually custom made for me by my mom.

[@ClassyWhale]

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[@ClassyWhale]

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[@djpetesake]

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[@Elpatron33333]

I just took the Riverside line at 4:45pm at industry station and it was delayed by so much.

[@jimg6476]

I used to sit at Pasadena Jct. On freight trains. We would held by the dispatcher for Metrolink trains. I would watch the ML trains go by during the early afternoon window. There wasnt ever enough people to pay for the brake shoes or the drinking water. Metrolink runs way to many mid day turns with no one aboard. Like the LAUPT to Burbank or Chatsworth. A big day was 5 people. I had friends that worked at ML and tell me. The UP makes money hauling freight and zero $$ from ML. The Ventura line the only competition is amtrak. The UP runs 1 freight train from Van Nuys to Guadalupe. Its a small train that doesn't interfer with passenger operations.

[@MetrolinkFoamer]

Riverside line is definitely a line that needs more attention

[@pacificostudios]

The Riverside line is the easiest target of Metrolink.

[@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina]

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[@alexandersmith7777]

Your videos are mad. When are you reuploading new content

[@radicallyrethinkingrailwaysina]

@@alexandersmith7777 some day! I'm fixing up the blog site with all its resources.

[@QuietOutbursts]

Go Broncos! From a fellow alum. Love the content.

[@stickynorth]

It still blows my mind that in 21st century Greater Los Angeles trains still run on diesel on single-track freight lines when hydrogen, electric and hydrogen-electric multiple units can do the job faster, cheaper and better for the environment... If there's space along these corridors they need to strike a deal get double and triple tracking done because the cheapest time to upgrade was yesterday...

[@Thesecret101-te1lm]

Agree except that hydrogen is just a way for the oil industry to delay electrification. Don't buy into what the oil/hydrogen mafia promises.

[@blu0065]

quality upload. thanks for the extra info on the riverside line. I thought it was just shitty (service) and shitty (slow and congested) because of bad management. Now I know it's all about geopolitics!

[@blu0065]

also, I accessed the riverside line through the industry station... which is more or less the nexus of asian suburbian workers

[@jawharp1992]

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[@djpetesake]

This is the best comment ever lol

[@miguelhidalgo9372]

This is a terrific video! You are knowledgeable about Riverside County, which as always been one of my interests in southern California. I have provincial knowledge about the San Gabriel Valley. I was wondering about the double-train track possibilities going though San Gabriel. One tiny suggestion. You have a great style. Take your time to go into a little more detail. As a frequent traveler. BNSF and Amtrak have a great working relationship - based on years of travel time and conversation on those BUSY train tracks. One more tidbit, Ontario Airport would have a great advantage with Metrolink coming in and out from both directions landing right on top of it.

[@PASH3227]

I disagree that the "solution" to freight rail is reducing our imports from Asia. The actual solution is double tracking both the Alhambra and LA Subdivisions and separating freight and commuter rail. One subdivision would be solely for freight, probably Alhambra while the other subdivision would be solely for commuters. Double tracking a train is hard, but uncoupling our whole East Asian trade system would be harder. Also if there was more domestic production freight rail demand would still be high. It would just shift from moving goods in and out of the port to moving goods in and out of major population centers, like LA and the Inland Empire.

[@qjtvaddict]

Like nearly every country on earth. Almost every country that takes passenger rail seriously separates them from freight

[@qjtvaddict]

He drank the anti China kool aid

[@djpetesake]

The joke is that restructuring a country's entire economy is easier than convincing UP to doubletrack the LA sub, I know my sense of humor can be subtle sometimes

[@frafraplanner9277]

We should end free trade, and quadruple-track all the mainlines in SoCal

[@skyh]

​@@qjtvaddictUnlike every country in the world the US is number 1 in freight Rail trackage and tonnage hauled.

[@robertwest6350]

I wish they would extend it to the Coachella Valley

[@qjtvaddict]

You know what I say screw it give up on this useless line and build a high speed maglev between LA and El Paso via riverside and areas served by the riverside line similar to Shanghai maglev but faster sort of and through to Santa Maria replace Pacific Surfliner (north of LA), riverside line and sunset Ltd west of El Paso. The train service barely exists

[@thatrandomguy8124]

maglev is a dead end tech like monorails or gas turbine locomotives. Not worth the cost over speed increase compared to traditional rail (or high speed rail). Even japan has stalled their high speed maglev project and the rest of the maglevs in the world excluding shanghai are rather slow and act like monorails. Triple tracking and electrifying is far cheaper and better in every single way + you will not need expensive contractors and custom rolling stock.

[@brewcider]

3:13 lmao!

[@benandolga]

Locomotives are so bad designed

[@MassbyTrain]

Yes you definitely don’t live in pomona

[@Thesecret101-te1lm]

Did you meet a girl named Ramona though?