Fixing the Transit-Oriented Development (TOD): Verde Beach - Vanilla Cities Skylines Build (Ep. 32b)

[@Mr.Studies9599]

I don’t mind the mulligans, because normally you’d have a planning department or team to notice some of those things before hand.

[@lassenbaertschkovalchick]

I would love to see the pedestrian paths landscaped. It has to be done. Additionally, I think you should add a monorail from the train station to the subway stop along side the park for better connectivity

[@nullvoidmedia]

I agree! if the whole city is too much of a project, it would, "be appropriate," to do it for the areas that already have an emphasis on pedestrian traffic and landscaping i.e. the park city and the transit-oriented development.

[@benjaminsmith3625]

I was going to suggest another tram, and save the monorail as a fancy, prestige project for the connection to the airport.

[@ChrisLovesThisGame]

Random thought: You have a taxi depot. Have you placed taxi stands at your tourist hotspots and transport hubs? You're paying for the depot anyway.

[@autumoer]

I don't think he has and I've been waiting patiently for the stands to be placed.

[@masha8770]

Since usually I click lightning fast when I see a new episode, I don't think I've taken much time before to appreciate this new style of thumbnails that you started a month-ish ago. I do enjoy it very much, it gives a concise idea of the main project. A moment of appreciation for the extra work put into these new thumbnails 🙂

[@Derpderpdrrp]

I agree Masha! Thanks city planner plays for taking the extra time, it is really neat

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you for the kind words! These take a bit longer, but I like them a lot more!

[@masha8770]

@@CityPlannerPlays Concerning the paths, given that it is quite the mammoth project reworking all the paths with trees, I don't think anyone would be mad if you jumped into the asset editor and added some palm tree lining to the city park pathways (like the decorated ones, just swapping out the normal trees for palms).

[@neil.simmons]

@@masha8770 He can do off-camara, nobody will every know /j

[@MrWhiXy]

@@CityPlannerPlays Are you uploading save game?

[@mikewilliams6025]

In the landscaped alleys, you could alternate each path with palm trees or shade trees. Not only would this give variety, but it would create a pattern of distinction between neighboring blocks. Pedestrians could also choose between views and shade, depending on their preference.

[@Epitome_93]

Love this idea! I was thinking variety too, but I really like how you give them a reliable option.

[@mariovwcardoso5970]

Some places could have a simpler layout with bushes or flower beds instead or along more sparse trees for a change as well

[@Diana-le7oh]

I love the pedestrian path upgrades with the palm trees, it looks amazing. Maybe not for every neighborhood but for select areas, like the more high-end areas, or business districts and denser areas.

[@kbkintrasolar06]

I like them especially for the street lights. Sensible when the paths go between high rise buildings with lots of shade.

[@MatanArie]

City Planner Plays - Yay! Ep. 32 b - Yay! Premiers at 2:30 AM - Dang.

[@ashullu]

same for me :/

[@luca0125]

for me it's at 1:30AM. Uff

[@Jon-ko1qg]

730am for me

[@luca0125]

@@Jon-ko1qg in the morning its better than in the deep night ^^

[@MatanArie]

@@Jon-ko1qg That's too late on the morning for me

[@perehernandezsalleras7823]

You should keep the disasters DLC in mind. The newest aeras of the city are probably out of the radio tower range, and I believe there's only one shelter for this massive city. Maybe that rock formation in the oil industry would be a nice place to fit a small radio tower or a small shelter? Great job, btw. It really is a stunning city.

[@ohcreepx6149]

You should do an episode focused on the beach! Maybe adding things like lifeguard towers and umbrellas or stuff like that would make it less empty. Keep up the good work! :)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Will do!

[@duckinaswing]

ngl, the detailing/fire hazard installations are my favorite parts of the videos. it's when the city really comes alive

[@taraloche5578]

An interesting idea to see if you could pull off is something like Grand Central Library or such. Something with more gravitas than a local library, that's been there for eons, maybe as a center piece of an area of Museums or a park like the National Mall. Love the episode as always and my vote is for the new park paths, I like the alleyway look as well!

[@paulomelettilestrade]

I just realized that Verde Beach is almost hitting 100.000 citizens.

[@j.lawrence9242]

How can a cpu handle that🤣

[@ekamnair]

@@j.lawrence9242 the Ryzen 5 5600x will handle it just fine... 😊

[@tommygun-oz3gx]

As a Economic Development professional I also am often focused on the big picture for our town. It is great to take a step back and appreciate the small details.

[@ChefJoshPlays]

I LOVE that park you made to separate the density. Such a cool idea! And it's crazy the pedestrian traffic thru it. Well done, CPP!

[@xXxAngryBird101xXx]

Uploads an episode yesterday at normal time: YAY!!! Premiere for another episode tonight: NANI?!

[@yogawithsharin3318]

Id also love to see you work some of the unique buildings, like the opera house and theatre of wonders onto some of the blocks between ocean drive and sunset boulevard 😍

[@iangoodsell]

I like the park paths idea! Maybe not everywhere, but for what you consider to be the main pedestrian corridors throughout VB that looks nice.

[@dstock9855]

I actually enjoy watching you take the time to do landscapes, and making areas unique. I also like your idea of fixing up the alleyway pedestrian walk ways.

[@percussiveseer415]

"I would like to know your opinion on the alley-like paths landscaping, I was thinking about putting trees in, but let me know what you think" * proceeds to start landscaping anyways * As they say, addiction is a powerful thing :PP More seriously, I think it would be hella pretty, fit really well, and generate happiness to citizens. And trees are important in general, so... yes! I am in favor of a Cities: Landscaping episode! (very relaxing, I actually love it!) Thank you and have a nice day!

[@skiingcrocodile2153]

I would be totally down for some detailing episodes dedicated to street naming, landscaping, and traffic improvement, especially if that means some extra content sprinkled over the week!

[@neil.simmons]

Definitely add the palms trees to the upgraded paths everywhere!!!

[@Diana-le7oh]

Oh man I have to say, you've been really great at building hype and running an excellent KZbin channel. This post has me excited to watch the video.

[@Richter3D]

I've really enjoyed the paths between blocks and incorporated them into my latest build, with a slight modification: they all start as gravel and I upgrade them as the city develops. When the roads they connect to are upgrade from gravel to normal roads I upgrade them to pavement, then when the area gets upgraded to higher density or land value I upgrade the path again and landscape. I feel it gives my city some variety and helps break up the same path style being everywhere instantly.

[@MontyBurns21]

Micro detailing makes a city complete in my opinion. I would have no problem with a pathway detail episode. I like to walk through my cities at cim level all the time.

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

then you must watch OVERCHARGED EGG channel, he is KING in detailing √

[@MontyBurns21]

@@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists I sure do. lol

[@Adrianithus]

Love how the city looks from above now. Used to just kind of abruptly end before the industrial area was connected to the rest but the new development gives the whole city a sense of realism. Idk if you're planning this in the future at all, but it would be cool to see some neighboring small town connected to the city throughout the map. Maybe a little farming town way out near the edge somewhere after the 81 tile mod gets added or something.

[@chewygoesroar1097]

I'd love a detailing episode in which you take a glance over old areas of the city and take another look over them and add those little touch ups that turn a nice area into a great area. Also, the number of cyclists using the cycle ways are amazing, if this was a real city it would most likely have the title of healthiest city/ possibly have an annual international cycle event throughout the city.

[@rkond]

I would suggest a circle bus route around the park between the metro and the train station. Not everyone is fit enough to walk that distance

[@AkLars90]

I love the idea of beautifying the walking path system and create a more green and friendly pedestrian system.

[@Arthurrrs2]

Wacthing this series in 2024 while i build along my own city. Couldn't be more different, but i get so much inspiration from verde beach... You are great Sr

[@fernandoallende4060]

Clicked it excited to watch a new episode of vb. “Premieres in 7 hours” smh

[@autumoer]

Don't forget to place taxi stands at various spots throughout the city as you already have a taxi depot but I believe, no stands! love the work

[@markussantiago8453]

I LOVE the palm lined alley ways. Verde Beach is kick-ass!!!!

[@tommygun-oz3gx]

Seating, art, and other attractions along the walking alleys would be great! Lots of time but if you do a detailing episode.

[@davidbeard2451]

Yes...definitely. Landscaping the pedestrian paths. I have been doing some of that with my little cities. Trees, benches and even fountains at times

[@NoMercy8008]

(Commented after finally being able to watch the episode!) I feel like "Eminent Domain Day" should be a national holiday, at least in Verde Beach.. maybe we can even light some bonfires to celebrate it :D To reiterate it, I love the refinements you made to this new development, I think they elevate the neighborhood(s) to yet another level of awesomeness! :) The park really benefitted from the removal of the bridge, and extending Ocean Ave is a great idea :) And it's kinda crazy how many tourists are visiting the city! Over 2k using public transport, wow! VB is a real travel destination :) Also what I noticed is that if my eyes (and my memory) don't deceive me, the large city entrance roundabout close to the Institute is still unchanged. If I remember correctly, you said quite a while ago that you wanted to rework that thing a little bit to improve the traffic entering the city, so I guess I'll take that opportunity to remind you about it, just in case :) Don't want to be that annoying guy, I just noticed it and remembered that it has been a while since you talked about it :D Generally, glancing at the traffic heatmap gives me the impression that a little traffic improvement episode might be on the horizon, which I would absolutely enjoy :D But it's probably better than it looks in the overview. Around 15:45 you ask us for our opinion on the new configuration in Randall Point, and literally 30secs before that I thought to myself "Man, it would be kinda nice if those paths would be lined by some trees and greenery, maybe I should suggest it!" :D Sooo, I absolutely love the new configuration and I feel like the whole neighborhood would benefit from it! In case you are afraid of going a bit overboard with the trees, maybe you could try to give every other block or so that special treatment, but I guess that kinda depends on the bigger picture :) Generally all the landscaping you added in this episode really make a huge differnce for me! Really beautiful! Verde Beach is looking more and more stunning after every video :) A very minor thing I just noticed: At around 19:28, there is one junction without stop signs on Sunset :) Thanks a lot for the episode, I really really loved it as you can see :D Verde Beach is so awesome, it makes me happy :)

[@Haenk3R]

lol a european night show. how dare you :D

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Sorry! It's after dinner for me

[@TheExtremlyOutsider]

Love the detailing. You may not be an architect, but you definitely show that you have a sense of the atmosphere and so on !

[@Zbandman]

*I AM EXCITE* Seriously though, I can't handle the speed with which these Verde Beach episodes are airing. Quality stuff here! (just bought myself a VB Tee in preparation for 81 tiles!)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

[@hustledude]

I really like your long park and the changes you made to it, probably one of your best designs. I think that train station location would be great for a large rail hub.

[@EvanC881]

Love the new idea for the paths! Might be better as a speed build since it will take so much time. I don't typically like speed builds but bulk landscaping is probably the one area that's worth it.

[@JG-rq8dv]

Lawsuit pending due to excess usage of eminent domain....Verde Beach Residents v. City Planner XD

[@pokergeniusordonkey6517]

Such a great realistic city. In anticipation of some development on the other side of the train station at the top of the new park, we might want to delete one office building to make a pedestrian overpass.

[@safipasa2028]

I love the detailing with trees and park path. It make the city feel more lively rather just bunch of concrete everywhere. To add some more, I think you forgot to place some service like Post Office and Bus Route. The Bus Route will give another option of Transport for people. Lastly since it will be nice to have another library since the existing one is very far away. Overall good episode

[@fragproof]

Thank you for so many great videos! Love how each place in VB is distinct and special. The premiere was fun, can't wait for the next one!

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Thank you! Glad you stopped by :D

[@NotCochon]

Love the new alleys, especially between the taller buildings! They feel a lot safer and less dingy due to the lighting and trees :) I would much rather take one of those if I were a citizen of VB

[@kingjames4019]

So many other people already have channels of detailing for hours! Pls keep your own traits and own them🤘🏻😉👍🏻

[@adept5500]

Great fixes. And I really like the park walkways instead of the regular pedestrian paths.

[@Gargamel4530]

Would love to see the updated paths they look so much better !

[@fluffyjello]

I stan park path alleys. Honestly if there's an in game asset that looks like a wall of street murals that would be a great addition to some of these alleyways. And I guess you can add the food cart park assets to make it seem like the space in those alleyways are rentable.

[@NoMercy8008]

(Commented before the actual premiere!) The thumbnail makes me very happy :D Unfortunately didn't have time to comment on the last episode, but especially the bridge right through the park kinda defeated the original vision that I believe went into the planning of this whole development. To me it feels like the original idea was to have an unbroken view from the subway/botanical garden straight to the train station, which is obviously totally blocked by the bridge :D So tunneling is in my opinion the better option. BUT I wonder if it would be even better to just not connect it at all. You did explain in the past that tunnels are sub-optimal because for some people they are more problematic than others, which I totally agree. So, again, I wonder if the best option would actually be to just leave it out entirely. But I guess this tunnel is entirely for cars and not for pedestrians, so I guess it's not really a problem anyways so it seems to be actually the best solution :D My second thought was that the train station is kinda underwhelming, but since it's vanilla-ish, you unfortunately can't do much about it. I feel like the prominent position at the head of the park deserves some really grand and awesome looking train station building, which isn't really a thing in vanilla C:S. Thanks a lot for making these changes and showing us! Really looking forward to the episode :)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Completly agree with regard to the train station. Would have been great to have an architectural statement piece at the end of the park. I would imagine this would be the ideal location for it!

[@x4mm4x]

13:30 It would be nice finishing touch for the buildings across Ocean Avenue to be in mid rise/lower density district so they don't block view for the people living on behind it.

[@nullvoidmedia]

you left one of the junctions on sunset with no stop signs at 19:27! it's fun that you incorporate feedback in such a balanced way in your commentary. I imagine you have a lot of professional experience in how to use feedback constructively. Even when it may not be presented in that way! honestly, it's helpful to hear the things you repeat to remind yourself. #perfectionismhacks

[@andreylebedev6894]

Good job on detailing! These leveled park alleys definitely looks prettier. Although, you could vary tree types in different neighborhoods to give them unique looks. Also, would you consider building a city on a winter themed map in a future?

[@shakeemrobinson2948]

I always use park paths vs normal paths... They just work and network so much better. As always, love the content, especially vanilla and tutorials. Keep it up!

[@drew_xviii330]

I personally do the bigger project, then work on the little details after, like the landscaping where I may have missed it, or in areas that are a little “oasis” in all the city around it, it may be the artist in me that works big then goes in small to better perfect what’s there, but, I definitely find watching your videos relaxing, especially when building my own cities and getting my own inspiration along the way~

[@RAI-1911]

I like the decorated path idea :) Thanks for the entertainment as always!

[@TheNarrativeNerd]

I think the electrical poles behind the train station are now not needed. Love your videos and insights! Fascinating to learn of all the thought that goes into planning things.

[@timdaomega4382]

I noticed once you added the landscaping to the half block paths the pedestrians started using it more! I would say change up the trees from neighborhood to neighborhood

[@attilasido3272]

I really like the new pedestrian paths. Can I suggest trying the red coloured amusement park paths in some places? I think they bring highly desired colour and pop really well especialy in the highly populated, very dense kinda grayish areas.

[@p.f132]

At around 24:30 you show us the trees you planted above the tunnel entrance. Remembering back, I was often told that you don't plant trees above shallowly covered concrete constructions, as the roots can penetrate the concrete and break it with time. Not sure if thats (still) true, but it was a small thing I noticed, that threw me back to engineering classes.

[@RandomPantsFoto]

I am putting off setting up for my band's livestream that starts in a little bit in order watch this first. Damn you Phil, and your inconvenient timing! ;-) Love the changes you made here. Fixes on point!

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Sorry about that, lol! And thank you!

[@RandomPantsFoto]

@@CityPlannerPlays No worries here...I've never been around when one went live before (even if I was like seven minutes late). The live chat is fun!

[@Thaytor]

Bus Routes from one block north of Sunset to the rail and love the path view.

[@jasmbfl1]

I love the tunnel! And as a cyclist I love the upgraded bike network, it's one of the first transit systems I do in my cities.

[@jasmbfl1]

Also, just wanted to say I discovered this series just when I was first stuck at home with a broken collarbone after getting hit by a car on my bike, and I've watched EVERYTHING as of two days ago. Now that I'm almost healed I feel like the song loop you have on every video is the soundtrack of my clavicle.

[@rachelher6095]

That view is KILLER, definitely the right choice to change it. 👌

[@neilbrideau8520]

CPP You may be new to YT but you are killing it.

[@Jon-ko1qg]

VB is a masterpiece!

[@juanpelegrina6913]

I know I'm little late for that, but I have a really good suggestion for districts and roads names, so here it goes: In São Paulo, Brazil, we have a major avenue, called Brazil Ave., in each side is a district named after a continent, and the streets are named after the countries of these continents. A lot of embasys are located in thoses districts, in Verde Beach, could make a nice naming after a turistc / residencial low densedy district. Love the serie, keep the great work, hugs from SP, Brazil!

[@farahnurulsalsabila7847]

I would love to see the path being lined with trees. I think Verde beach is a city where something like that wouldn't be out of place.

[@danmapplebeck3182]

I love the idea of landscaping the alleyways!

[@neeag4112]

Love the fixes! Yes on the path with trees as real people would be more inclined to use them...but you should add prop line tool, otherwise you will spend hooooours on detailing. I don't think people will mind the addition.

[@Dart2223]

These new pedestrian paths are awesome. before they seem to generic. Really like what u did.

[@liamsavage7134]

Love the new alleys and since your flirting with a very slightly modded version of VB I’m sure the landscaping mod would be very helpful to draw the trees in, instead of plopping each one individually

[@lorrinpcolbyjr1692]

I like the idea of landscaping walking paths.

[@frh6668]

Its a good idea to make the alleys look pretty! they do look better that way

[@agranddayout6100]

Get up in the morning. Watch CPP with breakfast. Perfect start to the day.

[@spartacus987]

At the end near the botanical gardens may be a GREAT spot for some beach ammedities, I think it's been a long way since the last bit for folks to enjoy, and may make it feel like that fully connected bit.

[@BryanFritchie]

Wow, I'm all caught up on Verde Beach. Guess I'll have to go watch some of the older cities get built.

[@mvelardo]

On the landscaped paths, I like the new ones, but I feel a few less trees would be more realistic.

[@greener_cfc4842]

The tunnel through the park is great, much better than the bridge. The design details on the foot paths is a welcome bit of extra detailing. I’d have no problem with a detailing episode focusing on the pedestrian areas, maybe vary the landscaping in different parks of the city. Also having a building naming episode, there are a lot of very tall significant buildings in the downtown now - office skyscraper - etc just doesn’t cut it. Giving a bit more of a story to who owns the buildings, what corporations exist in VB would be interesting.

[@stonecliff5383]

There's a pretty large area in between the newest neighborhoods and the forthcoming nature reserve. How about building a trade/ liberal arts school there? At level five they unlock some special schools that provide bonuses to certain city services, and the buildings are beautiful. Its right by the train station and has good access to both parks and roads. Comparing with the Goodall Institute it seems to have enough space. Would love to see it! I left a comment about it on discord but wasn't sure you saw it so I thought I would come here and bother you some more. Keep pumping out this magic :))

[@jimmyjohn8008]

Would like to see you and Biffa do a series together where there is very limited eminent domain in a car centric region. That maybe transitions over time if you can keep the series running for a while.

[@MatanArie]

Got up especially at 5:30AM to watch this. Was not disappointed. 13:55 I have a suspicion that you forgot to lay water pipes under the extended Ocean not only in this episode but in the previous one as well, Just because the street is named Ocean, doesn't mean the residents have water. 14:49 The second path you made connects just off the junction, leaving one small building. It has an amazing view all the way down the road to the sea, but it denies that view from several buildings behind it. I think it would have been better to use eminent domain to remove that building, allowing the path to connect orthogonally to the junction, preserving the view. 17:19 The park paths look better IMHO and would be easier to walk, skate, and bike than the sandy, slanting paths you had previously. Despite your thoughtful placement and the lampposts, those paths sometimes looked like Cow Paths or Desire Paths forged by residents trampling through vegetation, not by the city. That said, I wouldn't want to see the park paths everywhere. A certain wildness is suited to areas such as around the green city and the woods near the TV stations. 17:52 Way to go on leaving that odd junction in the path. Perfect is the enemy of good. 19:04 This subway line could do with another stop or two. 20:29 This connecting was fine for a long time and only recently became congested. I think it's the result of removing a major connection to the outer road a few episodes ago. You should add more connections into the outer road, and roundabouts would be best. 21:37 Still think a roundabout there would be the best solution. It would be a landmark for the entrance into the industrial area, and a better termination point for Bass Street. Plus, not having King Street directly across from Bass Street would make the name change more palatable. Once again, here's a low-grade 2AM mockup: ibb.co/dcz7rH6

[@mihitoo]

Amazing park 👊😊 what happened to the water pipes being under the roads? I'm implementing some of your work in my city. 😀 Great work and I love watching and listening to you wile your building. Keep up the good work. 👍👊 Peace!

[@tonzillaye]

What I really want is cpp to do his big view building, making the gorgeous layouts and everything. And then someone plays a gruntled small detail architect fixing the insane wonkiness the game has

[@Lyarrah]

\o/ wooo the zoning got fixed! I like the idea of the landscaped alleys, though in my heart I know those being purely pedestrian facilities would be unlikely... parking access and such feels more likely. which in a neighborhood, makes sense. I guess I'd say, in the fancier/newer neighborhoods do the self-levelling, but in old town leave the jankier ones? helps it feel more aged. Still, might be fun to see you go back to old town and do a little redevelopment at some point. I'm so torn with the strip part. I LOVE it so much. it's gorgeous. But my disabled butt is looking at it going "I have no clue how I'd get from one end of the park to the other if I *was* trying to go train to subway", cuz I just can't walk that far. I guess the answer is I'd transfer at the hub instead of there, though, is the answer. Only reason I bring this up is cuz I feel like in a real city, it'd be logical/ideal to have a bus line or tram line running around the park... but in the game, that'd just be more backups, cuz the cims who can walk don't look at the packed busses and go "eh, I'll walk instead". So I wouldn't feel like it's right to try and do a bus line through there within game logic, even though I'd be upset by there not being one there irl.

[@jdmaltezza]

Two thumbs up on the self leveling park paths. Maybe you could make each path area's landscaping themed so they are each their one unique destination.

[@whooshboosh]

Love the episode! And doesn't bother me at all if the b-episodes are longer than the a's. Also, I don't remember if you did it last time, but you might need to turn off intercity trains on the new station since it's connected to the outside line.

[@experienceaurie]

Random CPP episode with my evening smoothie...nice way to close out the day

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Turning the bridge into a tunnel - definitely looks better now.

[@MordechaiKarp]

Loved it! Maybe convert one of the park paths into a bike path to connect both sides of the park? I wouldn't want to bikr all the way around

[@milgoraxegrinder721]

Another great episode. I love the chill / relaxed vibes that your videos have. I also get some nice tips for my city builds. Please keep them coming! Also, I feel that the landscaped alleyways is an excellent idea.

[@robertkelly8106]

I would love to see people using those beautiful beaches. Any chance of a beach detailing episode?

[@AlexSmith-us2np]

A solitary rock feature in the gated area where the botanical garden was would look amazing and yes, self leveling paths 100%

[@fraxinuscavum8940]

What a pleasant surprise this morning!

[@scottheighton5971]

I have one *slight* suggestion about the one-way couplet around the park: reverse the direction on it. My thought is that, as a driver, it would be much easier to be presented with a right-hand turn at each end if I wanted to get to the other side than it would be to have to deal with a left turn onto a 4-lane collector with a median...

[@thepyroginger3349]

I love the new park, but may I suggest adding fire watch towers and/or nature reserve watch towers in the corners on the metro end? The view from the top would be extra fantastic.

[@markrusselagnote3027]

Premieres right on top of my breakfast? Gotta start my day with something productive by watching this episode ❤️

[@vjara94]

Build that airport!!!!! I'm dying to see that happen. And also I would love to see something happening to those islands in the river maybe some rich as**** houses or maybe a park even to bust the ferry use

[@joewilson3592]

I don't need sleep, I need answers!

[@spartacus987]

A last monorail connecting the subway to the train station would great for this area. A tram if you don't want to ruin views, but would need to stash a depot somewhere.

[@DocNo27]

Love the B episodes. Wish I could have caught the premier/chat but still so good!