How to build a MASSIVE Hydroelectric Dam Complex without Ruining Your City | Verde Beach Ep. 65

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Steam link to save - steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2715291068

[@Xantosh82]

with hydro right there, might do to make it an electric car policy and call it "Power Heights!"

[@MinecraftWarrior22]

I've not seen anyone mention that cable cars are perfect mode of transit for this community. Have a commerical area at the base and the residential up top.

[@alexisgoings7366]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@valiantclarkie5252]

Tourism commercial would make sense if you didn't block to much of the view. There should definitely be a city park at the bottom of the hill where the big rock is.

[@VCNickels]

Came to say just this.

[@Styrestian]

yes and an option for pedestrians to get across the highway. 😀

[@marks8867]

Yes to this

[@ohcreepx6149]

Hey CPP, multiple points: 1. As people already pointed out, make the roads sloped on the straight parts. 2. I really think you should only zone on the side of the road that is facing down the hill. That way lots on the top can be a little bit bigger and houses aren't eaten up by the mountain on the lower level xD 4. You should use a theme for the buildings in this community, maybe one that looks a bit "higher class" to resemble for example the Hollywood hills. 3. Cable Cars would be perfect for this development and could replace the steep paths. 4. I think a tunnel between the two dams would make a ton of sense and it would make this dangerous road around the mountain unnecessary. Other than that, great episode and I really love the idea of having a development on the hillside. Excited for the next one! :)

[@CityPlannerPlays]

I love every point you made and will make some changes off camera and present it at the start of the next one. This comment actually influenced the next CWC, too

[@ohcreepx6149]

@@CityPlannerPlays Can't wait! :D

[@jemleye]

For Macchu Picchu, ain't switchbacks supposed to incline on the straights, where it's safer, and be level in the turns?

[@AstrumG2V]

Pretty much this, that's the whole point of switchbacks...

[@TheInfiniteAmo]

Well I learned something new today

[@AltayNuhoglu]

Yeh honestly I'd like to see a whole episode redoing this development with this in mind.

[@brown1971]

Seems like that would be easy to accomplish by terraforming platforms for the turns and sloping between them for the connections. Gonna try this!

[@dracula3811]

I've driven in plenty of mountain roads where the switchbacks were sloped as well as the road leading to them.

[@DynamicClouds]

Hey man, you're still missing a metro stop! At 2:31 it's the metro in the bottom left corner, the pink line only has one stop there. Last vid it was one of the reasons so many people were piling up in the meadow view hub. Love the content, thanks for all you do!

[@mygetawayart]

finally someone mentioned it, it was driving me crazy

[@niklaselinger2967]

Isn't the idea of the serpentines to have the slope covered by the semi straight pieces of road and the sharp corners be flat? Here the corners are extremely sloped because they have to span the entire descent while the long pieces are flat or even dip down a couple of times. Also in most cases having the buildings on the same side of the road should work better in my opinion. Anyway the dams are magnicicent! Greetings from Germany.

[@Pyrovile42]

Overall I agree with you but I wouldn't say "flat sharp corners". In my experience with mountain roads, it's easy to have corners that are sill quite sloped.

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Yes - I need to fix that! Will get the buildings fixed, too - great ideas! Hope all is well in Germany!!!

[@simongeard4824]

Yes, this is actually completely backwards - the point of a serpentine is to stretch the descent out over a greater distance, reducing the severity of the slope. By having the straight parts flat, you just end up with a longer and more expensive road, with slopes on the corners just as steep as if the road had just gone straight down the hill.

[@drinkthatsoup]

If you place the water intake pipes IN the spillway (all or only some of them), you can preserve the initial water speed into the dam which should increase the power generation.

[@zsnyder2417]

Or move them below the Dam. The power generation is definitely being hampered by the water being pumped out above the dam.

[@irishbulldog83]

From what I have read and tried the flow has nothing to do with it. You produce more power from the difference of water level on either side of the damn. I have a damn at the moment producing 1600MW for me. I was able to remove all my fossil fuel power plants thanks to that!

[@mivnielsen4424]

Why not make a tunnel between the two dams? It is a shorter in distance. In Norway and Switzerland they often go through the mountain.

[@tihomirrasperic]

tunnels are too advanced a thing for Americans they only know about goat trails 🤪

[@tiagoprado7001]

People go through mountains where it's worth the cost. And a tunnel in between two dams in the middle of nowhere isn't.

[@gladitsnotme]

@@tihomirrasperic What's with the random (and inaccurate) anti-american crap?

[@AceEverett]

@@gladitsnotme It's a popular thing for Europeans to do, started with the whole "they don't have free healthcare" thing.

[@eran0004]

The elevation change is probably too steep for a tunnel. Since the road needs to climb quite a bit between the dams you might as well let it follow the hillside.

[@ANT9999]

i think giving Macchu Picchu the self-sufficient buildings specialization will give you nicer looking houses, they have a more modern look to them that would fit the area better

[@othnielmcfarlane3612]

i agree

[@skiterzzz4474]

Spill ways are usually used to handle times when the dam might run the risk or overflowing

[@FARBerserker]

which, granted, in cities skylines is basically ALL THE TIME EVER.

[@872463051]

Is there a way to have the spillway entrance higher than the dam height but lower than the regular water level? Maybe if it were built on the other side of the quay wall, with the quays higher than both the dam and the spillway, it would at least serve the purpose of preventing the water intake area from flooding.

[@gabestokes4222]

It's also hard to do spillways when you have no option to build a control structure

[@joshrichens8900]

@@872463051 Exactly what I thought but the only problem with that is that the dams in skylines need to be at capacity before they turn on (I think). I don't think there's anyway to do a spillway other than an emergency spillway which would only get used if the dam failed. That would usually just be a hillside that points away from any buildings and towards another body of water and you would design it so that the hillside was the first side of the dam to spill and it would also facilitate enough flow to handle the largest theoretical flood possible.

[@s_k.99]

I think at the top of the hill would be nice to have a park between the two dams, people can hire a boat to take them around the lake or just have a picnic by the lake, it’ll have great views of the city, the Two Dams Park!

[@nim2852]

Imo. the second dam should have been constructed somewhere further downstream with a liiiitle bit of terraforming on the river. For names, the dams are the Two Gorges Dams.

[@kiwiting1238]

This community is the perfect spot to finally feature a functional cable car system!

[@CeruleanMirage]

Fitting how the new powerplant had a road with lots of folds heading towards it. Reminds me of a Mitochondria, the powerhouse of the cell

[@RAI-1911]

Tunnel between the two dams wouldn't be strange, I think. They would dig tunnel for cabling between the two Dams after all, so it wouldn't be strange if they make road for maintenance too... Thanks as always! :)

[@ajweiwill]

With being Verde Beach, I think you should consider adding a fire watchtower and a helicopter depot nearby. I also want to suggest Sierra Verde for the name of the new area.

[@Kasnickijakub]

I really like that you go over our comments and reading to what we have to say. And then go a step further and implement some into the city. It's nice to know that we have somewhat of a say in what happens, and I appreciate that. Ideas: Name suggestion for the hillside residential area: Waterway hills i-10 industrial estate: The i-10 industrial estate should be moved further away from the city. I maybe near the new Lewis Lumber Company. But I think you could find a better place for it Spillway: The spillway, in my opinion should be taller so that water only flows there, when there's too much water/the water level is too high.

[@Ubi2447]

Loved the way the quick-fixes were edited in the beginning. Love knowing all the things happening but it was nice seeing those get addressed while keeping the flow moving towards the 'meat' of the episode.

[@joshuakarar3594]

Looking forward to this, I have never been able to get the dam (pun intended) mechanics to work! 😊

[@alienamzal477]

CWC ptsd intensifies

[@TheSikodude]

Man, I just started playing Skylines two days ago and your videos have been addicting! Keep it up. I had no idea how to build a dam and ended up flooding literally my entire city! Can't wait to try what I've learned from you.

[@WIFI46]

Seems like a decent spot to have a ski resort! Given that it's winter it might be a very festive opportunity!!

[@blakemiddleton1049]

After purchasing the land near the new hydropower plant, Luigi Rivers and his developing partner Danny Hill decided they had to implement a community with a good view. The founders of RiverHill Estates plan on a adding a new addition to the ever-growing city below. They want cable car and helicopter access and a more exclusive policy. around them. Their target clientele include the city's finest celebrities and several of the larger buisness owners. The two partners hope their land can become a place of interest.

[@IceDree]

Neat! Turned out better than I expected. May I suggest a few items: - A fire helicopter facility at the top of the mountain next to the water tanks? It can act as a Coast Guard facility overseeing the lake. - A fishing port to make the lake feel alive. - Cable car stations with one in the middle of the incline and one at the bottom of the mountain next to a train or a metro station.

[@Rouverius]

Phil, you are my hero of the day! I love the fact that you were not going to let this go. This encourages me not to give up so easily when I have to do a task that I'm still uncomfortable with. Honestly, thanks for this.

[@wonderhomie2011]

My suggestion would to make your new hydro power dams area into a recreation area by impounding the water into a lake. Call it Myrtle Lake and do lakeside development and parks and rec for the entire city. I’d also consider the new/old green energy, recently labeled by the EU , and add a nuclear power station to your electrical portfolio IMO. Good luck with this great build.

[@gabingston3430]

Wouldn't having water treatment plants along the river pollute said river? Also, I think the eco water treatment plants would've been a better option.

[@ashleysheppard2084]

You have got me through my isolation! I have been watching you videos for the past 8 days and have brought this game myself and all dlc and now on the way to build my city! Thankyou so much for you awesome videos man

[@AlRios523]

Great choice to NOT add water treatment upriver of the water pumps! I really thought that was not a great idea!

[@WrappedBaggage]

Really appriciated how slick the updates in the start of the video looked. Keep up the great work.

[@danielthompkins1987]

Verde hills would be a good name for the new development

[@AHeckman118]

And here I thought building Mulligan Island was the biggest project I’d ever seen in one of these episodes! You built a mitochondria into a cliff side!

[@Emymagdalena]

The hillside is a beautiful view from the city as well

[@imperfectgio]

The Two Dam Incline neighborhood is amazing, but it is missing the landscaping. Love the video can’t wait for more!

[@ZooKeePla]

The quality of video and gameplay has improved by miles. I guess the massive muligan has worked! Looking forward to this series future

[@c_a_b_o_o_s_e7508]

Cable cars would work wonders in this hillside community. Especially if someone from the bottom of the hill wants to go to one of those stores or visit the dam for a nice view of the city and the water flowing down the river

[@JeredtheShy]

I think that the company who constructed the dams also has a development arm (the real moneymaker) and the city gave them first dibs and good rates on that "undevelopable" slope, which they named Armstrong Heights after William Armstrong, of Northumberland, England, the first person to generate electric power with hydro and the CEO's personal hero. Since this was the first successful (no mulligans required) hydro implementation on the channel it feels good.

[@ioang2742]

You could make a natural reserve park between the two dams and have a cable car that gets the tourists there. It would boost the development in the region. Great show, btw. I am always looking forward to new episodes :)

[@Linden531]

Hey CPP love your content and videos, but here's a little tidbit. Terraforming involves changing the atmosphere to resemble Earth's, while landscaping is what we do with the soil so it's incorrect to say terraforming. Not that it matters, but my friend corrected me the other day and thought I'd pass it along! Happy new year!

[@SlateTiara]

Thanks! I never knew that. It makes sense though.... and Google just confirmed it as well lol :)

[@flowerbit4137]

As someone who gets carsick super easily (even when driving) and is afraid if heights, the idea of living on switchback mountain is my worst nightmare lol. But it looks awesome. I love it. I feel like cable cars or maybe a helicopter stop would be cool additions to the area

[@CDDguy]

That neighborhood reminds me of northwest Boise, ID. Beautiful homes, but totally impractical. My mom used to call it "Ulcer Gulch" because all the rich people lived there.

[@toonieven]

CPP, you genius! Thank you for restoring my faith in your dam building skills :) For the hillside community you should try to level up those houses to the 4-5 level modern style houses. It's very strange for a string of dilapidated cottages to develop there...

[@m.domsuni4514]

I feel like Dieciseis Heights(Sixteen Heights) would be cool name for the area because of the 16 turns in the road, and the name is spanish because of its similarities to Machu Pechu as well as the Spanish naming themes that are throughout the city.

[@davidbeard2451]

Even in a game this is a massive undertaking. Wow...impressive

[@mezzanotte-crunchy]

There is a winding road in Melbourne, Australia simply named, 'The Serpentine'. I immediately thought that would be a great name for the winding road in Verde Beach's 'Machu Picchu'.

[@thesleepvampire]

lol, we have a Serpentine in Perth too!

[@bjrnfrederiksson2505]

Hello Phil. For what I have experienced before with dams I can tell you that the higher the dam and the more flow water has the bigger the payout with electricity. I can show you it with one of my builds.

[@jt5765]

Whenever I do the switch back housing areas I only develop the roadside that is facing outwards so the road is hugging the clifface. Looks way more natural and reasonable. I feel like your Machu Pichu district could maybe had the switch backs halved but either way it was a nice build and I liked your method of making the level pads to then link in between with a sloped road. 👍

[@watchthe1369]

Riverside-I91 in Calidornia. The whole hillsides along there have been massively terraced to make space for homes, eradicating everything to move MILLIONS of cubic yards of dirt with armies of scrapers. Arterials and collectors go out to those developments off the freeways, so you might have a future redevelopment project there.

[@ardarin7462]

title's amazing !!! Clearwater county would be proud

[@mikehamilton5517]

The moment you started putting your wastewater treatment way up a hill from the city, and uphill from your drinking water I was in pain. I immediately wrote a big comment explaining why that wouldn’t happen ever (always good to remember if you have a major rain storm that these plants overflow, typically, and you don’t want that to be uphill from drinking water)… to just find out 10 seconds later you called a mulligan on it lol

[@realneth]

I just bought this game w/ most of the DLC and your channel is the best! Wish I would have discovered it before my first city though... I meant to place another water pump upstream but apparently placed a sewage drain pipe instead. The next thing I know over half of my 10k population was sick, and then nearly all died before I could figure out what the hell happened :(

[@trevormckinnon6668]

Love the design. My only feedback would be to have dirty uses downhill from sanitary ones. Just in case of runoff or in the event of an emergency you don’t want dirty/ contaminated water running into clean water! Army field sanitation did teach me something 😂

[@mikeb8674]

Two for two on floods in 2022! I love the rebrand! 😄 On a different note, I propose “Mulligan Ridge” for your proposed luxury hilltop community. Keep up the fun content!

[@robertsimpson9010]

I’ve begun to use the small warehouse as a terminal for the beginning of power lines like one of those buildings with conductors and such. It’s not perfect but it helps with the immersion.

[@ayoitsyayo]

There’s SO many mountain side developments like this in Washington, literally shaping mountains, not even from big developers

[@srujan.99]

Cable cars would look awesome and also make sense for the hillside neighbourhood

[@fmccool01]

A lot of damns have public spaces/areas attached to them. An idea could be to develop a little Nature resvre park in between the two dams with some walking paths and maybe fishing peirs.

[@xXxAngryBird101xXx]

I know it's technically not how the game works (and would be expensive), but would it make sense to have a tsunami evacuation center somewhere on the mountainside (or at least on higher ground)?

[@harvenkarr]

We have two small hydro dams here in town and there is a park with hiking and nature trails that runs between them. The top area between the dams and where the river loops looks like that might make a perfect use for it - perhaps put some camping spots from the Park props there. And using the self-sufficient green housing district selection on the housing there would make for an interesting visual for the housing. Being cheeky I think it'd be interesting to name the two dams Charybdis and Scylla

[@kylinsky]

I know its a vanilla, but some of those hillsides really beg for some workshop assets to create a terraced vineyard farming industry.

[@drfreshey]

In a number of mountainside communities like this that I've seen in Western Carolina and East Tennessee, I would expect to see a volunteer fire station somewhere in the community so that they could hopefully put out any small fires before they get too big for them to handle

[@SlateTiara]

I like the hillside area with houses. From above it looks a bit wonky, but from below it reminds me a lot of real life scenery. The only thing I'm missing is the mansions with waterfall pools on top :) And I guess the dirt cliffwalls are usually covered with something like bricks. I hope I'll catch your stream wen it happens! Because I'm sure you can make this look amazing!

[@trevynlane8094]

I would suggest putting some city services in the utility parks on either side of the dams, and flattening the hill to put in a couple of schools. Just a thought.

[@SwamiDayswani]

Machu pichu in the end is what all of the mountains roads look like in Puerto Rico. Snakey and long

[@fleeingdutchman8883]

sunrise hills would be an okay name for that new neighborhood

[@janifer5326]

YOU HAVE TO BE REWARDED FOR THIS GOOD JOB YOU DID THANK YOU SO MUCH,..

[@dominicchiasson590]

You should put an antenna up top at your dam, would be a great location, also maybe a power line going directly to your city, in case there is a fire in those homes and the power cuts

[@terrancebrown87]

If it’s a “100 year project” there should be like a commemoration for all of the people who worked on it. I hope things like that happen now a days.

[@tobybrown3045]

Been waiting for this one!!!! Can’t wait to download it on steam and have a play myself 😁

[@maximum_hedro0m136]

Man I really wish I could access any of these assets on console. I can’t afford to be a part of the PC master race currently. Love your work bro watching you has vastly improved my developments.

[@owenmergliano8160]

A cool challenge you could do for some future episodes is raising the sea level slightly every decade and having to address that to mimic the effects of climate change on costal cities.

[@cashman5355]

YESSSSS! LOVING this. Incredible

[@alexandresun6266]

You could call it "Thor's Twins" for the two dams AND it would be a reference to The Hunt for Red October

[@TrixyTheWonderDog]

For names, what about Paradise Hills, Prospect Park View, Verde Aquifer Estates? If you would like to clean it up a bit more you could cut the zoning in half and just allow building on one side of the road going all the way up. That way the lots are not interfering with each other as much.

[@VigneshBalasubramaniam]

Just a thought, might want to clear out some of the hill at the bottom end of the spillway, to help water flow. Seems like the water is slamming into the hill a bit.

[@johnny13x2]

If any development would happen near the dams I'd vouch the name Aqua Verde for it. I think that overall it would really only be a super rich residential area, as being so far removed from the community and having such a commanding view tends to scream ultra modern hillside mansions for super rich hipsters who hate the cities that gave them their culture. But now I'm rambling. Anyways, Great vid as always man. Excited to see where this leads.

[@BrotherSkodidi]

12:39 you read my mind, CPP. Gravity = free, pumps = EXPENSIVE.

[@pchntm]

Speaking of dams, no more timber born? I enjoyed watching that.

[@ComradePhoenix]

32:05 So unique it deserves a name. Perhaps Lombard Street? Also, that would probably be a great place for trams and bike or ped paths (edit: oh, you just mentioned those) on the sides. Maybe put some fire/police/hospital/school at the foot of the slope, and make a nature reserve at the peak between the two dams (and include the reservoir). Oh, and definitely some garbage/recycling over by the new services campus.

[@bettaboy123]

I think a couple fun names for this development would be Ladera Verde (Hillside Verde), Vista de Todo (View of Everything), or Ver Pasos (Viewing Steps).

[@hunter4lols]

Love this! I would love to see the Self Sufficient houses as it gets all day sun, and it’s getting hydropower so it could be Verde Beach’s Environmental centre. You could even turn the empty land up the top into a park with a viewing tower to see the city and watch the rockets launch in the distance! Love your work can’t wait for more!!!! I also think the district name could be “Two Dam High!” Hahah

[@mikedaniel498]

This build really gives me hollywood hills vibes or should I say Verdewood Hills lol maybe you should incorporate some really big mansion assets to really give it that feel.

[@moelao8584]

The development along the winding road kind of reminds me of the staggered and colorful houses here in Benguet, Philippines.

[@chrisbel15]

As a brazilian from Rio, it was impossible to not think and compare this hill side community to Rocinha Favela 😅

[@gilbertmjohnson]

I think you should have a nature preserve at the top of the hill outlined by the rows with cable cars connecting to the main city. As for the neighborhood I think it should be called hillside estates as I would assume its a nicer location because of the views. maybe focus on residential with some commercial and an office or two?

[@bartekbal132]

Name suggestion for hillside district: Vinewood Hills, just like in GTA V :D

[@friorast999]

Need For Speed Carbon comes to mind with that layout.

[@JimTomatore]

Up on that mountain would have been completely unrealistic placement of the sewage treatment. As some have pointed out you wouldn't want them upstream that close to your water intake. But even more important is the fact that NO CITY WOULD EVER PUMP SEWAGE UPHILL TO A TREATMENT PLANT!!! Most, if not all, sewers are completely gravity based. Since the land tends to be lowest at sea level that's why most treatment is done near the shorelines. So glad you moved them to a more logical location.

[@Poppa_Capinyoaz]

I think a gondola from the top to the bottom of your bendy development that is perhaps attached to a turnaround bus route and a bike lane road would be good additions. A walking path on a gradient that steep, pretty unrealistic and would go underutilised, I feel. Although, the cims are probably designed to tolerate it since they don't have lungs or real leg and back muscles.

[@saam3]

All of your serious cyclists in the city would absolutely love the new roads! Gives some really awesome hills to climb up

[@UserIsOffline]

A tunnel between the two damns would make more sense, it can be used by the workers of the public works. I would also think the land will be highly wanted by resorts, a casino up there would make sense. Think the Niagra Falls

[@Lyarrah]

You should check out the suburbs in northwest Portland, especially near Burlington on the roads around Skyline and to a lesser extent, along Burnside where it cuts in the mountain. Between those and my experiences back in the SF Bay, I feel like in the cases where switchbacks like that *do* get developed, there's either stub roads off the curves where each house is, or only one side or the other of the road gets developed (I dunno what's more common irl, but instincts tell me having your backyard facing down the hill so you can have a fence there instead of having it backed up to a cliff where cars might slide into it would be better). Any time I've tried to develop steep areas in C:S I've kept to one side of the road also, I think it looks nicer? and creates less squared off nonsense. This is still a really cool undertaking though, amazed at how much smoother this went XD

[@scartha4040]

Also use the bridges and piers ccp roads to put your own personalised look.

[@mukhilchandran.c9208]

You could move the pumping station on the Mulligan island to where the water treatment plants where in same island

[@Draconightfury]

There’s a famous road like this in San Francisco. Smaller and development is on the sides not on the actual road but still. I’d say that means your hillside is somewhat realistic

[@GregRush71]

CPP, I don't know how familiar you were with Dragonball Z in your youth but naming that windy dam road "Snake Way" would seem like the perfect opportunity.

[@NikoMC31]

wow i really like the dam/complex area its super cool and inpiring. i know this is a vanilla build but i would love to see some California hilltop houses with the half the house hanging off a cliff and being held up with a beam.

[@jimwanshue2376]

Verde Beach obviously did not use the same general contractor for the dam project that Clearwater County did! Since a works of this type would only move forward with federal funding, I would suggest that a lot of the undeveloped surrounding land be formed into a National Park. The park would probably include the nearby scientific research station. That would be a way to introduce some parkland into the neighborhood and increase land values. It's also nice to see that you're starting to embrace cliffs and steep hillsides. The world isn't all gentle, rolling hills. I think cuts and fills add to the realism of the game, although I suppose it all depends on where you're from; those hillside houses look perfectly normal in Pittsburgh ("the only place where you can commit suicide by jumping out a basement window").

[@burtpanzer]

I don't know if tunneling is possible in this, but it would've been a neat way to connect your dams together.

[@dstock9855]

You really do make some quality content, man.

[@TroyZombeeMunkeeParsons]

Twin Rivers or Twin River Hills are my suggestions for the new development between the dams