Fixing Ultimate Lucas

[@Kosmicant]

One of the biggest mistakes was not having Ness in his "Fuzzy Pickles" pose for his render in ultimate

[@MonkeyNess]

REAL

[@renaminoid]

Ness never doing the Fuzzy Pickles pose in any Smash game despite it being the most obvious idea for a render/taunt/victory pose hurts me physically and it's one of the reasons why I think classic Smash characters need redesigned movesets At least is not as bad as DK never using barrels

[@alandominguez1040]

Or being a taunt

[@jaredhebert942]

@weirdmspainter3589​ I know modern Donkey Kong not having barrels in his kit is something some people have complained about over the years (though he doesn't use them as much as Cranky did in the original's 25M, or even his own playable turns from DKC1 on), but I admit Barrel Cannon would be a better Up-B if Spinning Kong got to move to Side-B or something

[@jaredhebert942]

@raianz828 yeah, it feels like a weird omission & it could benefit his moveset if added, but it's not something I'm losing sleep over either; also, it'd be nice if DK's proper voice got added next game (Yearwood or Jarvis from the DKC cartoon, the return of Grant Kirkhope, or Takashi Nagasako like he's been doing since 2004/2005 - any of those guys would be welcome for me, even as a toggle or alongside the "stock" gorilla noises)

[@EWOODJ]

5:53 Since Melee, there has been talk about Ness and Sheik being unofficial rivals of some kind in the Smash series as they’re often seen fighting each other in official screenshots and manuals. Rather that has anything to do with Ness vs Sheik in classic mode is anyone’s guess. Just wanted to throw that out there.

[@grandmasta0079]

Your recreation is great, I really like using Wario as Fasaad, especially since he has already played that role in the Salsa spirit battle.

[@Edbound]

the love and friendship one is crazy lmao you just beating these people up for being in love

[@MonkeyNess]

if lucas can't be happy no one can

[@Garden.warfare]

Honestly all I would of liked for more lucas rep in smash would be more mother 3 remixes, we haven’t gotten a single remix since brawl, the game lucas was introduced in. Making claus a echo fighter would of also been cool, but that would of never happened no matter what circumstances there was.

[@MonkeyNess]

True! The Mother games (and ESPECIALLY Mother 3) have SO much music, and I wish there was more of it in Smash. :(

[@steel7399]

6:45 It's actually Delfino Plaza. It's likely meant to refrence Summers, the first time in the game where all 4 main party members are together.

[@steel7399]

oops wait somebody else beat me to it. I don't think anyone mentioned the second part but that might be a little obvious

[@MonkeyNess]

Yeah, I put a correction on screen when I say it. Interesting to see it as a reference to Summers though! Likely true, too!

[@rainbowmacaroon9189]

Didn't expect abuse to be brought up in a video about Ultimate, but it's not unwelcome

[@thatsguy1111]

Well tbf its a game about beating up people

[@breadibless]

​@@thatsguy1111 salsa... 😓

[@purityboys99]

i do think its awesome that both hinawa and claus are the last two spirit battles in world of light of both the light and dark paths

[@candaru_driemor]

I'm not even TWO MINUTES into this and your script is hysterical. Fantastic content.

[@MetatronsRevenge613]

9:47 Miracle Fassad needs to be a Wario with a Jetpack and a laser gun

[@madmikefollower6939]

I would have had a fight where Zelda dies to a big metal Yoshi

[@wariothelegend9645]

most things about Smash Lucas don't bother me but I will never not be upset that they did not make his boss fight Ganon. The main enemy faction of Lucas's game is literally an army of pigs and Ganon still fits into the routes theme because of "sacred powers." (Ganon breaks into a place called the sacred realm to rise to power in Ocarina of Time) It was perfect!

[@MonkeyNess]

Would've made sense, but does anyone aside from characters from the Zelda series have Ganon as a boss fight?

[@wariothelegend9645]

i actually had to double check, Ganon's only in Sephiroth's boss rush outside of Zelda fighters. pretty weird lol

[@ItsCenrryTH]

My favorite depiction of this blonde is in Project M/Project+ Playing with him just feels so POWERFUL. Offense Up rocks.

[@psiforce8342]

The best version of Lucas by a long shot and it's cause he's a completely different character and not a messy rehash of Ness

[@MrTheMasterX]

The Blue Ness for his classic route is supposed to be his younger self that appears in Magicant I'm pretty sure. (Also I would've used the Masked Man palettes for the Lucas final bosses but I understand if you'd prefer not to for thematics' sake or just think it looks tacky.)

[@MonkeyNess]

Blue Ness could be for his younger self, but then why is he fighting him...? As for the Claus palette, I don't have a preference.

[@blueischiii1575]

Unrelated, but why is that your avatar?

[@PK_Windflake]

⁠@@MonkeyNessMaybe just to symbolize maybe a more memorable fight. Like meeting your younger self would stick with you and thus make a bigger impact. If they were going for the statue, I don’t think the blue alt which is SUPPOSED to be his younger self, AND you meet him in Magicant. Ness has a yellow ish alt and they could have gone for that one.

[@DanaTheNintendoLoverGirl2011]

The Masked Man In Classic Mode Must Represented By Lucas In Masked Man Alt Or A Black & Metal Mega Man! 😊🙏🏻

[@MonkeyNess]

@coolgamerjaw8803 He doesn't fight him though lol

[@Taurus_.]

So much love and effort put into this, you did good.

[@MonkeyNess]

Thank you so much!

[@Taurus_.]

@@MonkeyNess You're welcome!

[@Taurus_.]

@@MonkeyNess Have you ever heard of delta traveler, well if you haven't, section 2 has a whole earthbound section and when fighting ness and paula the fight theme is roadblock by RynoGG.

[@SergioFlores-xx4sm]

1:04 that’s messed up. Our boy has suffered enough.

[@Robo-pump]

"babe wake up" "monkeyness uploaded a new video"

[@big-wade]

Hi mister, haven't caught one of your videos in a bit but I saw this and was like ... Hey! I like Smash! Anyway, your video quality has improved about ten fold since I last seen it, and it was good before! Loved the clip of live action bowser saying "Monkey". Thanks MonkeyNess!

[@MonkeyNess]

Thank you so much, and welcome back!

[@big-wade]

@@MonkeyNess No worries! I am gonna drop a /s right here just on the off chance my sarcastic comment was read as malicious!

[@psiforce8342]

I came up with a conceptual Classic route for Lucas, though it involves DLC characters with how I made it. I really tried with this Lucas's Classic route is called "A Tragic Story", the route focuses on characters who have went through an extremely tragic life in their respective games, a nod to Lucas's own tragic life in Mother 3 (basically about the most traumatized characters). The opponents are: Round 1 - Samus & Zero Suit Samus in Brinstar, music is "Theme of Samus Aran, Space Warrior" (Samus appears first and upon defeating her, ZSS comes in since they're really are just the same person) Round 2 - Kazuya & Mii Brawler in his Heihachi Outfit in Mishima Dojo, music is either "Desperate Struggle" or "Aloneness" (it's a free for all since Kazuya deeply hates Heihachi for everything) Round 3 - Cloud & Sephiroth in Northern Cave, music is "Aerith's Theme" (like with Kazuya & Heihachi, it's a free for all since Cloud and Sephiroth are the hero and villain, and Sephiroth really likes to ruin Cloud so much) Round 4 - Young Link in Great Bay, music is "Termina Field" (can be the original or remix version) Round 5 - Lucina in Arena Ferox, music is "Duty (Ablaze)" Round 6 - 2 Corrins (one male and one female) in Castle Siege, music is "Lost in Thoughts All Alone (Original) Final Round - Lucas in his Claus outfit & Mii Gunner in his black color Standard Outfit wearing a Bionic Helmet wielding a Beam Sword, the Mii Gunner's specials are: Charge Blast, Flame Pillar, Arm Rocket, and Absorbing Vortex. The stage is set in omega form Norfair with the music playing "Mother 3 Love Theme". The "Claus" Lucas fights first and then upon being defeated, the Mii Gunner will appear, a reference to the Masked Man. Basically this is a nod to the final battle of Mother 3.

[@MonkeyNess]

Awesome, man! I can tell a lot of thought really went into this!

[@DanaTheNintendoLoverGirl2011]

9:18 Pink Robin Girl Will Actually Was Represented By Kumatora! But In Kumatora’s Spirit Battle, She Was Represented By Lucas In Duster Alt! Which It Matches Her Hoodie With Lucas’s Shirt & For The Pants Matches Her Hair Color & Boots! Well, I Wish It Will Happen In Classic Mode Or Get A Mii Costume Of Kumatora! 💖🙏🏻

[@PipesTheVlob]

for the first classic mode route you made the final battle should actually be kinda like the end of bowser's classic mode, you fight lucas in his claus alt, then metal lucas

[@PKCrossing]

Thats perfect!

[@mccarrthief]

you make me yearn so heavily for something i'll never have, that and an official 3d model for duster

[@logann6734]

Ness and lucas's representation in smash has always irked me, I never got why their magic effects don't match any psi move from the games. Ness's should be red white and blue for pk rockin and Lucas's should be light blue for pk love

[@PhantomOfficial07]

Trueee, there's so many things they could pull from that wouldn't be inaccurate but they didn't do that. I always thought a better Lucas up-B would be the bird cage he uses to leave Saturn Valley, and PK Love is an obvious choice for a final smash

[@steel7399]

Correction: PK Rockin' is actually Red, yellow, and blue. Not white.

[@PhantomOfficial07]

@@steel7399 I would reply with the nerd emoji but that's dated.

[@FlareBlitzBanana]

Personally, I would've included a 2v2 in the conceptual mode of Lucas and Daisy (Hinawa) vs Chrom and Lucina. This would be a pretty cool matchup of Mother and Son VS Father and Daughter.

[@0DHatesInfants]

you said phoned in at 6:55 but you showed a picture of ness' father, i think you should fix that mistake in my humble opinion

[@MonkeyNess]

Sure hope someone gets fired for that blunder

[@hailthequeenFM]

1:07 - 1:18 This man woke up and chose violence. This man murdered Lucas the 1st chance he got.

[@EricN64]

6:49 no, for some reason their actually in onnet

[@JOOSEBOXES]

Ngl that love and friendship classic mode line is BRUTAL lmao Getting jumped over and over😭

[@EricN64]

My guess is that shiek is a reference to the old dude in the monkey cave that gives the trout yougurt machine

[@MonkeyNess]

Could be, but the area seems to be a reference to Saturn Valley, which has no people in it?

[@EricN64]

@@MonkeyNess maybe it’s a one in two being a reference to both Saturn valley as well as the desert, after all I think we’re all pretty sure making a story only using smash stages CAN be limiting (aswell as it’s put on gerudo valley which is basically a gateway into a desert) loved the video btw

[@MonkeyNess]

Possible, it's just that if that's the case for that stage it'd make it the lone level that references two different locations at the same time, which seems like an unlikely choice the devs would make, to me.

[@Andr3G908]

It would be cool if the classic mode idea had a custom boss with a custom stage. The custom boss could have 2 phases, the first phase is the masked man and his attacks wouldnt be like any of the custom bosses, it could just be a regular fighter that you cant unlock. And the second phase would be followed up after you defeat the masked man as he reveals himslef to be claus and then a franklin badge falls that claus cant pick up and claus starts firing a pikachu thunder like attack at you until he eventually is defeated... THEN THE CREDITS ROLL HOORAY!

[@tfwug]

I too have finished chicken little on gameboy. only real ones know how rough the driving levels were

[@MonkeyNess]

isometric racing should be banned

[@tfwug]

​@@MonkeyNess the fish levels were sick af though

[@MonkeyNess]

@@tfwugWas like THPS dude they were the high point

[@tfwug]

​@@MonkeyNess im ngl, i just thought chicken little as a whole was badass at the time, i made chronicled levels of chicken little in littlebigplanet with like 4 parts or something

[@mimigih3615]

I love how in the hole video you make it clear how depress Lucas really is 😂😂

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

0:25 Duck Hunt: “Our time has come…”

[@MonkeyNess]

As a PLAYABLE character, ya dingus. :P

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

06:48 this isn't Onett but Delfino Plaza

[@MonkeyNess]

Yeah my mistake, I flash a correction on screen when I say it.

[@toast2110]

I wish there was a duck hunt alt that had a tan brown furred dog with a black feathered duck, that would have been able to represent both the stray dogs and crows.

[@EchidnaSharp]

i think they should put the entirety of mother 3 as a mode in smash ultimate

[@BillyWiccanHex]

It would've been so cool if they brought Porky back as a boss

[@rexquinones1456]

i just got this but final boss for ness. stage is final destination as giygas lair. allys 3 robs to be jeff,paula, and poo at the end of the game. enemys wario as porky and a metal ness as giygas in the devils machine and after you beat them a big orange mewtwo as giygas out of the devils machine. the mewtwo would have curry always and screw attack jump to be his attacks based on what two of them do. wario would be metal to be porky in the machine. ness would reflect all projectiles as giygas reflecting every attack in the battle. hope you enjoy!

[@MeleeGamer]

10:25 I feel like Lucas's Masked man alt would work better here, since the battle is against... You know... the Masked man.

[@psiforce8342]

Also in terms of character designs (I am talking from as a competitive player ngl), Lucas feels like he needs a rework with his moveset. He feels like he's trying to play have his own gamestyle, but is really held back by him being just a Ness rehash since Brawl. Whereas Ness's moves all mix together really well, hence him being able to be consistent and strong character in Smash, Lucas's moves, while they are strong themselves, don't really mix well. On one hand, he feels like he's supposed to be the defensive PSI fighter, focusing on spacing & zoning with his PSI attacks given his disjoints like forward tilt, forward air, z-air, and PK Fire, but then you have moves that look like he's supposed to be a combo fighter (which is Ness's gameplay) given his down tilt, neutral air, and up air. Basically, his moves don't really connect together and feel more like a clash between 2 types of playstyles, which is the opposite of how Ness's moveset as he's both consistent and versatile (a strong all-rounder you can say). Ness's specials overall are even better than Lucas's specials as Ness's has more versatility and better reward whereas Lucas's are, while pretty good on the surface, but in actuality, are merely specialized and one note (yes including PK Flash, you can do a lot more with PK Flash than with PK Freeze. You'd be surprised by how useful PK Flash is.) Again, Lucas really needs a rework

[@Sneavile]

Imagine if they'd brought back the Master Porky boss fight that was already in Brawl...

[@BTthekingnocap]

Bro your humor went up like the chosen fours level in the cave of the past

[@SMG0763]

Lucas Is Not A Failure He Was The Greatest.

[@MonkeyNess]

Never said he was!

[@SMG0763]

Yeah Lucas Claus Kumatora And Duster Are Now Plushie Forever.

[@Skypatroller_BenCD]

00:29 well you got Rayman and Spark the electric jester

[@MonkeyNess]

Yeah but their following appearances were in their own series of games, while all of Lucas and Ness's subsequent appearances in 3D have been outside their own game franchise.

[@Cooljz87]

As a ultimate Lucas main, I see this as a absolute win

[@Wista13]

I wish they added tazmily village

[@finalmix4375]

One thing we can all agree with is that Mother 3 is amazingly represented in World of Light and Spirit Mode in general

[@MonkeyNess]

Idk about “amazingly,” but it’s for sure the best representation the game has seen since its inclusion in the series!

[@itsdripnovababy]

3:39 erm, ackshually, their connection is that they both have dead moms and missing brothers 🤓

[@KumatorasLittleCutie-Pie]

12:50, "You must be a fan of Mother 3 AND SuperSmashBros." Me: Who isn't?

[@redshell9205]

0:12 AYO YOU KNOW THAT TIME HAS BEEN PAST NOW AND WE AGREED TO BE MORE RESPECTFUL. (Nah actually this is hilarious Idc)

[@zandraxofnebulon]

If I had my way, the porky boss fight from brawl would be the final boss, along with metal lucas (klaus alt)

[@someonestolemytoast2139]

guys I'm no expert or anything like that... but i think this guy likes mother

[@tempest6027]

i mean, street fighter got an entire section in spirits mode so it could happen

[@BillyWiccanHex]

6:46, That's not Onett, that's Delfino Plaza-

[@MonkeyNess]

Yeah, made a mistake. There’s a correction on screen when I say it.

[@BillyWiccanHex]

@@MonkeyNess oh I didn't notice it

[@LunaMinuna]

8:04 calling me out 😭

[@neverknowsbest.]

*Lucas is a slept on smash character doe he's good in ultimate*

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Wouldn't it make more sense to have the final battle in the first suggested Classic Mode Route be against Lucas with the Masked Man alt?

[@MonkeyNess]

Whichever

[@koga7582]

I think it would be cute if you battle Masked Man alt first then have Claus alt as an ally vs Master and Crazy Hand for a twin battle.

[@policeperson7589]

still sad the porky fight didnt reappear, feels bad man

[@miloseal25]

I think Lucas should of had an alt of Kumatoras color scheme

[@codenamexelda]

The 1V1 against claus could have been against the masked man reskin instead, maybe give him a sword or gun type weapon?

[@theporkpiehatkid]

This makes me wanna replay mother 3...

[@metis7534]

Flint isn’t an abusive dad. This has been debunked by many people. Tanetane islands depiction of him is 1. A hallucination and 2. A result of a young Lucas seeing his dad hit rock bottom going around attacking people because he just lost his wife and he also feels his own guilt for his brother going missing the day after his mom dies. Itoi’s vision here was his biggest fear of family turning its back on you and that’s what TT island represents

[@MonkeyNess]

Wasn’t referring to any physical abuse, but emotionally neglectful actions.

[@Themanhimself7]

What did you just call me

[@fan.of.nintendo]

Jerudo valley

[@thisisasupersayin376]

The Miis represent self love

[@applepieepic7871]

I think that lucas story mode it coud be 100% better if they represent the boss of every battle represents the boss fight after eveey needle like representate fassad with a metal wario with a jetpack or the gigant gorilla with dk Also I apologize if I write everything bad I don't speak English

[@eviltables8510]

I think the real tragedy is that the only new Mother series remixes are two (In my opinion) inferior remixes of songs that already have smash remixes (And to rub salt in the wound neither of those remixes are from Mother 3). All three games have amazing soundtracks and I wish that was a little better represented.

[@lil3_]

They should add Gyigas/Giegue to Smash Bros as tons of other villains exist he can normally be giegue and he turns into giygas should be his special but as we all know giygas is to dark for smash bros but maybe giegue could work but I doubt it.

[@paperkittyyt]

Make more vids like this

[@HYDEinallcaps]

3:55 I can tell you're a Palutena fanboy. Dropped.

[@MonkeyNess]

You’re drawing wild conclusions lol

[@HYDEinallcaps]

@@MonkeyNess "no no no I went on a wild tirade white knighting Palutena despite sperging about everything else because uhhhhhh look i'm not a Palutena simp okay shut up :(!!!!" - you, the least braindead Palutena apologist

[@HYDEinallcaps]

@@legendofsaha Palutena is the worst fucking thing to happen to Smash and was more or less Sakurai flipping us off while saying "ARR MY EXCUSES ARE INVARID, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO SIRRY GAIJIN?"

[@PotofGlue]

"And it's not like any completionists or anything would have to play it anyway, there's no achievement for completing every character's classic mode" I don't think you understand what a completionist does

[@MonkeyNess]

Talking about in terms of collecting all rewards the game offers.

[@whirl3690]

I don't really understand the notion that Brawl being 3D would have had anything to do with Lucas's characterization.

[@MonkeyNess]

Very much a sidenote. Just emphasizing how impactful that first change of hands with the character was.

[@kirbyfan2265]

I really dislike that they used master hand for the bosses, they should have added back porky.

[@reviewspiteras]

I liked both version you proposed for Lucas' classic mode but The "mother 3" mode is a bit too much and made the video a drag from that point.

[@MonkeyNess]

That's a fair critique, though I still think it was fun. :)

[@epicsause21]

0:25 Gex

[@theblarneystone1023]

0:19 Technically that's not true

[@MonkeyNess]

Yeah yeah

[@Crimson-Hat]

You failed the bonus game.

[@MonkeyNess]

No that’s how you’re supposed to do them

[@Periwinkleaccount]

5:54 i don’t want to be annoying, but it’s not pronounced as “jerudo”. It’s a transliteration from Japanese to English, so, if it was pronounced like that, then it would be written “jerudo” rather than “gerudo”.

[@MonkeyNess]

I'll always say it that way >:)

[@Periwinkleaccount]

@@MonkeyNess but seriously though, will you say right it the next time, if there is a next time?

[@MonkeyNess]

never

[@Periwinkleaccount]

@@MonkeyNess :(

[@MonkeyNess]

i'm sorry i didn't mean to hurt you

[@thealmightyscooobb3072]

Did he just say Ryu and Ken are in love?

[@Jje261YT]

5:54 haha you say gerudo differently than how I say it I will make fun of you hahaha

[@MonkeyNess]

I pronounce it gerudo

[@Robo-pump]

Wait this video came out a few minutes ago and this comment was made 12 hours ago....

[@Jje261YT]

@@Robo-pump I’m that good.

[@Robo-pump]

@@Jje261YT You must be hacking life to have watched the video hours earlier

[@bottle_b3]

@@Robo-pump mf straight up time travelled just to see the vid early lolz

[@azumars]

Why would you fucking make Lucas fight hinawa and claus in the last battle

[@MonkeyNess]

It’s not actually them, bro.

[@localshape]

Ryu and Ken are now gay. This is canon.

[@simondezombie9001]

Also Onett is actually pronounced One-et. Like the number one. Yes you have been saying it wrong this whole time. You say One and then et. Onett. My whole life is a lie!

[@MonkeyNess]

are you okay

[@BillyWiccanHex]

I don't like Ness' render, because when you put the Zelda characters together, they look awesome, but when you put Ness and Lucas together, Ness looks weird lmfao

[@big-wade]

Hey, sorry, I saw a bit further into the video and I heard you pronounce it "jih-rudo valley". I'm gonna have to retract my nice comment before and leave a dislike. I apologize!

[@MonkeyNess]

that's fair

[@MrGameguyC]

15:10 Yeah, that basically summed up your whole video.

[@MonkeyNess]

…Yeah…it was the conclusion…

[@MrGameguyC]

​@@MonkeyNess Yeah, you really based this 16 minute "Fixing Ultimate Lucas" video around this more obscure character out of 70+ not getting a special rendition of side mode in a massive game...

[@MonkeyNess]

And I made it clear that's what the video was about in the first minute---"this video is not about him competitively, it's purely about his inclusion in the universe." Ultimate is a fantastic game, a triumph of both the video game industry, and in the art form, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. Additionally "obscure" is quite relative, as Mother 3 is routinely ranked as one of the greatest games of all time, and was a massive success when it came out, and to this day has a dedicated fanbase advocating for its release. Sad to hear it seems you didn't enjoy the video, as I worked quite hard on it, and am very passionate about it even if you're not.

[@MrGameguyC]

​@@MonkeyNess And by "universe", you did just only classic mode. Nothing about WoL, spirits, stages, music, challenges, his own moveset, or anything else. You flat out said "That's my fix for a practically nonexistent complaint in Ultimate" The Mother trival is cool and the editing is fine, but this video has very little to it.

[@MonkeyNess]

@@MrGameguyC Heads up, I edited my previous comment quite a bit seemingly as you were responding. When I said "That's my fix for a practically nonexistent complaint in Ultimate" I was referring to that it's a criticism that's hardly discussed. The aim of the video wasn't to break down every single element of his inclusion in the universe, the focus is the Classic Mode, as I'd noticed while playing it seemed to lack quite a bit in comparison to other characters', even when compared to the only other fighter from his series, Ness.

[@SANTI_697]

He’s not bad lbs

[@sergiosimonis]

'Promo SM'

[@eltiolavara9]

honestly the problem with those reference fights is that its a cool novelty but the game thinks its the coolest shit ever and has 2 modes literally just dedicated to endless reference fights where they just reorganize assets they already have and dont make anything new theres only so much you can do

[@MonkeyNess]

As the Smash series is really a celebration of video games, I find referency stuff very fitting, as they're not really story-driven (even in the case of Brawl, the most story-driven of the series.) Sure there's lots of them, but I don't really see that as a problem, considering at worst it just gives players opportunities to fight foes with battle gimmicks they likely would've never tried otherwise.

[@eltiolavara9]

@@MonkeyNess it is very fitting its just ultimate does reference fights exclusively like its 99% of the singleplayer content

[@MonkeyNess]

I see what you're saying, it's just that if it's not reference fights it's reference trophies, stickers, stages, levels, etc. Even the most "original" elements to the series are derived from the gameplay of the Kirby series. Tbf I'm not sure what the series really could do to distance itself gameplay-wise from those things, seeing (as mentioned before) its gameplay style is very derived from Kirby and all the movesets are inherently references. Not against the idea, just not sure how it could be implemented in the Smash series.

[@eltiolavara9]

@@MonkeyNess yeah true

[@3ustin]

negatively focused and underwhelming.

[@sundownkids6631]

ultimate is a lazy game rushed and really forgettable the simple fact that the boss of ness and lucas are the hands out of nowhere and not porky is a proof that the dev team was too lazy to reimplement the boss from brawl the fact that lucas fight against magic users and not robots and machine is a proof that sakurai never play this game