Flagging an Automatic Signal

[@dglcomputers1498]

If anyone is wondering the music used in some of these training films has been identified is from BOS 161 Contemporary Jingles & Themes: The Need To Fly some library music from Bosworth Backgrounds and can be listened to online.

[@ylwpyro9549]

The music is something I'd expect from a very bad ocean cruise advertisement, or at a budget water park.

[@NJF_010]

Or super mario

[@MrWhite-pn7ui]

+YLW Pyro If you hear this kind of music at a water park leave immediately. You're risking an infection.

[@Kylirr]

it sounds like the lego racers soundtrack lmao

[@kenshin891]

It sounds like music from a pokemon game

[@GryphLane]

Reminds me of a late 80s magazine show on regional ITV.

[@tosspot1305]

That intro basically defines an entire decade

[@andyguy0610]

Music sounds like someone randomly hitting the keys on a Casio keyboard LOL

[@DJSwezzleMusic]

Whenever I hear that music, i immediately fall to the floor and do a weird dance

[@dodgydruid]

My dad made several of these films during his years as a SR signalman but never have managed to find them, he did one I remember for relief workings, would love to find them as he hated them having a proper stutter and really got a lot of camera fright lol

[@troytakesphotos]

Spa films must have been damn proud of the shot showing the signalman leaning on the desk to answer the phone. They used it three times in 8 minutes.

[@servertoaster]

3:36 gotta love that horn

[@jasongurr]

Love the game show music!

[@DublinAviation]

Wow that intro is really something

[@maximo0987]

I’ve been looking for this for ages, I want this to be the first song that comes up at the club after lockdown

[@dexterpoindexter3583]

Please God, No!! No more lockdowns! No more pandemics!! 😁

[@davidlewis5681]

Good grief! That theme tune must have been done by John Shuttleworth!

[@iainmaturin8460]

sounds more like fred scuttle

[@TheBarnem13]

David Lewis That's an insult to John Shutlewort is that!

[@Westhamsterdam]

Cannot believe I just watched this!

[@dexterpoindexter3583]

Can believe you commented on something you couldn't believe, though. 😁

[@bronzeonion]

The music is what makes these videos!!

[@AndreiTupolev]

That EPB at 3:45 was accelerating rather briskly for "proceed with caution".

[@straightpipediesel]

It's supposed to be "proceed at caution," it means to take the defective signal as caution, a single yellow light, and be prepared to stop at the next signal. Also, observe and be prepared to stop for any obstructions. So what matters is not how fast he accelerates, it's basically his top speed and sighting distance. I believe normally you are allowed up to 50 MPH under caution, subject to line speed and these restrictions.

[@alexthorne6996]

That signal is on a line I drive by currently. Quiet weird as it's right near T22, which is seen in one of the shots, it's has the most SPAD's in the country

[@tom58358]

why does it have the most spads

[@Trek001]

If you watch a number of these signalling videos, you'll see the same scenes popping up with the original audio under the newer one - voiced by the same guy

[@grahampearson5670]

I recognise this guy as he's voiced a number of other railway documentaries.

[@Trek001]

@@grahampearson5670 Aye... I just love the fact they never bothered to mute the original audio for a new one

[@davidchick8042]

Hand signaling video for a training video it missed one important thing the flagman did not after receiving. Instructions from the signalman , repeat the instruction back to the signalman ,as should have been done, for safety and the the instructions were under stood, and no confusion took place. This was standard expected practice , when passing or receiving instruction over the phone, on BR

[@Trek001]

Standard, yes, but there is another signalling video which follows the procedure followed by the man in this video... I presume both were valid and that one was used more often then the other. Also, there may have been some prior instruction before he took up duty at Tango 2 9

[@davidchick8042]

I did hand signaling and the only instruction before hand would be the signal no. to be flagged on arrival at the signal signal , you reported to the signalman gave him your name and grade , then when the signalman gave you an instruction , for the train Driver,you would repeat it back each time ," Pass this signal DT 234 at danger and obey all other," you repeated the instruction so there was no risk of confusion and that the instruction was understood , this was in the correct procedure as per operating instruction, the 40 years I did the job on the platform a signalman and train crew after my box shut in the late 70s

[@iainmaturin8460]

foxtrot Oscar - romeo

[@RailwayManUK]

He also said Tee twenny nine as opposed to Tango Two Nine....tut tut!

[@ElliottHurst]

“Hello signalman, signals been keyed back to danger” Which signal!!

[@NeilShearer-ok2gi]

T29

[@jim40135]

5:32 the dulcet tones of a Crompton...

[@AndreiTupolev]

So did you have to stand at attention all day holding up your red flag, gazing hopefully into the distance for a train to appear, or in practice did the signalman let you know when a train was coming?

[@lrt614]

Both signalmen spoke the signal number in a wrong way. T29 should be"tango two nine" and T46 "tango four six"

[@QT480uk]

That was the olden days. Also, over/out is a good way of communication. A lot of rules on the railway making it safe. :D

[@iainmaturin8460]

roger, over, under and tango foxtrot

[@lenprice166]

I was a Rules & Traction Instructor at this venue. I knew the producer of this film and the person 'acting' as handsignaller. Although good communications always featured as essential, I don't think use of the phonetic alphabet and associated practices were featured in the Rule Book at that time.

[@Richardsrailway]

Oh the joys of Handsignalman duties, remember my flagging days on the GE very well ,

[@karimkekhia4369]

blimey brilliant!! yeah me and the missus drive our trains along there regularly and it all looks so familiar..mad!! that bridge in the background..tennison road..has been replaced now by a huge green bridge. i didn’t recognise that hand signaller and the driver i didn’t recognise!!! so funny to hear how rail comms have changed too. brilliant!!!

[@markwilson8002]

The theme music sounds like a dodgy 80s quiz show...with Jonny Ball.

[@dirt_lot_photography]

Dear god, I cannot figure out the time signature for the music. I thought it could be in 3/4 or 5/4 time, but I think it may actually be in Elephant/Portugal time. XD

[@darrencafferty]

You're absolutely right, well done!!!

[@bucephalus00]

Anyone know what the track or artist is called?

[@VincentEtienneCFF]

Are the detonators used for when the signal can't be switched to danger?

[@dr1303]

Indeed it is. In the video they examplify a signal that has been disassembled completely.

[@ec8451]

The music sounds like something out of mariokart!

[@AutoUnder]

The music sounds like it's from a theme park advert 😂😂

[@FerroequinologistofColorado]

A very low budget theme park advert at that

[@SkavenUK]

Damn, drop that intro beat out of nowhere.

[@grahampearson5670]

The air compressor of the trains is sounded when the driver and the guy on the ground are in discussion.

[@D8059PRODUCTIONS]

3:35 that horn is sooooooooooooooooo goooooooooood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HampshireBrony]

Level Unlocked!

[@s0nnyburnett]

So do you just stand there all day holding the flag up?

[@MGRinger02]

Only when the train comes :P

[@andyguy0610]

I have no idea how I ended up here LOL

[@miniroll32]

Brief for opening music: there was no brief

[@thomasbrevink]

😂

[@subwayexpress465]

I like his rings!

[@timtim8468]

Someone replaced the detonators with gummy bears again!

[@darrencafferty]

Sorry for the Awful music :)

[@bucephalus00]

This is some of the best music I've ever heard. It's like something off Sonic 3 from the megadrive

[@robustreviews]

Genuinely got tears streaming down my face laughing at how shit that music is at the start 😂😂

[@MrWhite-pn7ui]

Wait, the detonator actually explodes? LOL The passengers must love that.

[@russ117044]

Relax! It explodes just enough for the engineer to here it and stop!

[@ylwpyro9549]

Yes, but since it only explodes under the front wheelset, it's mostly the driver who feels it, as it's intended to do.

[@XNick291X]

Anyone know the location of signal T29? I have a feeling its in the area around Selhurst/Norwood Junction, but could be wrong.

[@muttley8818]

You are right. T29 is the signal on the Down Slow line just past Norwood Junction. The second signal shown, T46, is I think on the Up Line just past Waddon.

[@jhstony]

Ok.....I have picked up on one fault in this video, the chap on the signal duty didn’t put a detonator on the line in case the driver drove past his red flag 🚩 and light.....am I right or am I right? 10 points to me

[@MonaichFother]

4:04 Lets watch the whole process again on a second train, good, I didn't catch it all the first time but wait, the Flagman is now waiting on the Signalman to phone???

[@PhilSmith71]

At 2:12, “Will it be alright to clear the signal back to danger now?” Clear and danger in the same sentence? Bad phrasing.

[@memyself1566]

Please rephrase the whole statement, if that would make you happy.

[@jamiecharlton9710]

If the hand signaller converts a signal to danger, does this set the preceding signals to caution? I’m just wondering if that’s the case or whether the danger aspect is just thrown in the driver’s face? Many thanks!

[@jameswells6003]

It will revert the proceeding signals but you'd only give the instruction at s time when this wouldn't happen. The previous controlled signal would be maintained at danger while you did it too.

[@j.wwilson4866]

Bet them rings hes wearing are worth a lot of money, that keeper ring is something else.

[@CadanHartleyElliott]

The music at the beginning and end of the video reminds me of Mario Kart.

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

Yeah them drivers are sounding a horn before passing a red light

[@liljokerbro9478]

thats one big board god damn

[@metrowake11]

T29 is by Selhurst Depot, down direction, next signal out of Norwood Junction, far east side of the tracks.

[@kenpeters9567]

Looks like Dave Tomlyn ?

[@jsefan1868]

Does anyone know if we still use detonators?

[@linepulse]

Yes we do. Emergency protection and assistance protection. Crucial for last resort for protecting trains and preserving life.

[@PhilSmith71]

Definitely. I had to go and assist a failed train the other day and the driver of that train had placed 3 detonators on the rail as well as displaying a red flag. I was disappointed when the signaller said for the driver to lift the protection. I was REALLY looking forward to exploding the dets; did it once on the depot years ago so some trainees could hear what they sounded like. Would have been the first time exploding them in anger in over 21 years of driving trains, but no joy!😫🤣

[@JBobjork]

What is the green flag for? Can you hand signal a proceed without caution?

[@lawofscotland]

Level crossings

[@brownboybilly]

How very 80's!

[@bucephalus00]

Do I hear a class 37 at 5:30 ?

[@georgepom328]

No it was a 33

[@iknowyoureright8564]

Surely he should place 1 det on the line on the approach to the signal…….the det is to be removed once instructions are received, the det is there Incase the driver doesn’t notice the red signal and or handsignaller.

[@TheThecyclist]

or a 1970/80;s quiz show theme music

[@brownboybilly]

Is that just South of Norwood Junction? By Selhurst Depot?

[@grahampearson5670]

I would say it's the junction under a road bridge between Norwood Junction and East Croydon.

[@OnlyJoes]

What's a guard? /s

[@garrywilliams6693]

I thought the hand signalman was meant to give the number of the train as well , oh well.

[@MrSam4850]

Shouldn't he have said 'Tango-two-nine'?

[@TheBVE]

The signalling centre was T, so he didn't have to use the phonetic alphabet. But your right. He should have said two nine.

[@magdalenazawrotniak1243]

TSguy0100

[@enochliu8316]

He is using the telephone to contact the signaller, and therefore he can be a bit more casual, as the telephone is unlikely to mangle the communications.

[@Bergerboy1000]

what is the detonator for??

[@NClass468]

Its kind of like having a" slow down ahead" sign on a road., just acts as a warning for an upcoming thing

[@james123212]

+Noah Berger they are used as an emergency signal to tell drivers to stop quickly in an emergency, they are only normally used now when lines are being worked on and are carried on trains in case of a breakdown

[@Bergerboy1000]

thx

[@nicholasbenge2596]

+Noah Berger If the signal is not visible because of turn/trees/tunnel.

[@Pugragger]

i thought the sooty show had started or something worse like rainbow

[@TheDarkFalcon]

Why did they need to manually flag? They mentioned "track failure", but does that mean the signal wasn't functioning? Like.. Why didn't they just mark the signal Danger remotely, and then remotely set it to Caution (instead of having the guy do the same thing).. This scenario seems rather contrived.

[@SuperNeontrix]

TheDarkFalcon automatic signals controlled by the passage of trains cannot be put to danger or set by the signaller. The only way to change them is to use the signal post replacement key. So yes, like you say if there was a track failure or a signal failure you would use this method.

[@davecook3840]

That’s exactly it. Auto signals work by the passage of trains and have no input from the signaller. So if there is a track circuit fault or the section ahead of that signal needed to be blocked for some reason then a hand signalman would be required. Auto signals are identified by a black sign with a white horizontal band under the Signal number. You would also expect to do this if taking a Line Blockage from an auto signal and would also place a red lamp in the 4ft (normally a stop board) and 3 detonators beyond the Signal. All the replacement switch does is drop the signalling power to the signal and it defaults to danger (red) This is for track circuit signalling, for modern axle counter signalling auto signals can also be replaced to danger by the signaller so Signal Replacement switches are gradually dying out

[@russ117044]

It seems like a lot of stupid things to do. Um, but however, if my family were on that train maybe I'd want all that be safe! :0)

[@ericssmith2014]

These are the sort of procedures that are, as they say, "written in blood."

[@howardsix9708]

drop the music pls......................

[@dirt_lot_photography]

That’s the whole point of this video... the 80’s were a different time... 😉

[@SportyMabamba]

The ‘jazzy’ intro is part of the original soundtrack to this video

[@dr.deborahkatharinestevens318]

🎶What do flags mean?🤓 .....Prizes!🎉

[@lewiskelly14]

The communication protocols were appalling

[@paulspeight8398]

All the hand signalman needed to do was to tell each driver to apply 'The rule' at an automatic signal thats failed and being passed at danger, No further instructions would be needed.

[@hstdriver6616]

​@paul speight I think he means the fact that the use of the phonetic alphabet is non-existent in all communication for one. Tee twenty nine instead of Tango Two Nine? No confirming which box or panel he is talking to? No use of headcodes? No repeating back instructions to confirm they have been heard and understood correctly? No 'OUT' sign off to indicate the conversation is over? Like he said, the communication protocol was appalling. And that's not to mention no detonator maintained on the line for approaching trains or the fact he held a red flag in the same hand as he was displaying a yellow flag to proceed! And that was supposed to be a training video?

[@ProfessorPesca]

Jesus that area looks bleak.

[@4vepvik781]

That music even after all these years is seriously wack!!.

[@HHGFHJGFHJGFJTYFJDGY]

The music sounds like a product of Koji Kondo.