This Frostbite Caves Realm is a COMPLETE MESS | Horrible Level Design Ep. 11

[@Rainstar1234]

love how they put a lot of genuine effort into making these remixes, the art, improving the quality of music, and yet they still reuse the same level from the birthdayz event. wow.

[@BK0660]

@@Chilli_bean I thought it worked in reverse

[@PestoPitaa44]

@@BK0660 "anyone can cook" -gustave the killer croc, probably

[@Obsructor2]

@@BK0660 only in pvz.

[@JoseViktor4099]

Level design is an important feature in videogame after all, but how PvZ2 leveling works nowadays makes very hard to design good levels tbh. How can you make a level when all the zombies are a joke? You just spam them? Inflating their HP? Make weird an unfair shinanigans worth for being on another episode? Thats the main reason why plant leveling is so awful in my book, because it can easily destroy all glance of level design... I guess they gave up, and decided to do this kind of things, although I admit this is too lazy and for that, I prefer something like those procedural zombies on PvZ survival mode or Endless mode over playing the same level with diferent objectives.

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

""graphic design is my passion, level design is my nemesis" Edit: for some reason KZbin decided to dupe my message 3 times

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

It seems that the Chinese devs really want to make this game good, but the lack of employees and general creativity for levels/balancing is holding them back. I really hope that they can (at least somewhat) clean things up and breathe some life into the tower defence versions of the game, even if it’s not internationally.

[@yoshihammerbro435]

aw :(

[@KraylebStudios]

Ngl its still an improvement over what international is doing

[@nothingbutpain863]

It still outdoes the international version.

[@Taceria]

Either Talkweb doesn't have any willing employees left to help design the game or the employees are working too much over time and they are paid too little ultimately djr or hallucinating, suffering from Illusions, insomnia and just a lack of energy in the body has left from now not being able to sleep enough

[@joaquinagretti4514]

Did anybody else notice that at 1:00:50 there is an objective that makes defensive plants recharge slower, but also an objective that completely bans defensive plants? If that's not genius game design, I don't know what is

[@不只是谁所无名找小二]

I think that one's a bonus objective

[@cooperkirby1280]

@@不只是谁所无名找小二there both optional objectives

[@joaquinagretti4514]

@@不只是谁所无名找小二 Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot you don't have to do them all at the same time

[@thepotassiumgamer2137]

WOW **insanely fast clapping**

[@BK0660]

you can select what objectives you want but have to do all of them to get the final reward

[@LauBauBer]

Tbf, there's not a lot you can do with Frostbite caves, as freezing will eventually force you to play the same way over and over. But man, it took 3 zombies for me to realize these were the same levels copy-pasted from the last event. At least they could make the first few zombies spawn in different lanes

[@LVNo13]

Not only zombies, the objectives for 10 Normal Levels too. almost every level has Sun Limit, Sun Produce, Plant Lost Limit or at least 2 of the 3

[@randomprotag9329]

even then theres the option to not make a realm thats entirely frostbite

[@Zeldrake]

"Product at least 1 Sun" Truly the most difficult task imaginable

[@idontknowbruh]

chough chough conveyor belt with no plants that able to produce sun cough chough

[@Taceria]

,, Produce at least one sun" yes because it's the most difficult objective ever! I've died so much to it! Side note: did anyone notice that I used sarcasm?

[@dylanbelterman6889]

Well its hard to tell via text

[@Taceria]

​@@RobotFlower2763ok.

[@Taceria]

​@@idontknowbruhcough cough level 1 zombie versus level five monkey fruits the whole level cough cough

[@victini7777]

Alternative Title: A whole hour showcasing how busted Primal Peashooter is

[@flagzombie]

So true

[@someguy3267]

I'm convinced that the devs balanced this and other recent events around Level 5 Primal Peashooter; hell, I could imagine the building where TalkWeb HQ/Studios is has Rockface Rumble from DKC3 (SNES) blasting 24/7 on a full surround sound speaker system, because Primal Peashooter needed a damn anthem at this point for managing to rival the Monkey King based fruit in terms of sheer power.

[@jushenmaoMason]

Show some respects and call him Primal GOD 🗣️🔥🔥

[@primalpeashooter]

@jushenmaomason i agree

[@theonetheycallheadspace2899]

​@@primalpeashooterholy shit primal peashooter

[@UlyssesK402]

...They seriously gave the elites more health than most bosses? 150,000 is enough to make gargantuars look like tissue paper!

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

Well... bosses here are also very tough. Zombot Vulture Fighter has 230000 HP, for example.

[@BlazerMinecrafter]

​@@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewertrue but the bosses themselves usually don't move towards your house themselves

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

@@BlazerMinecrafter True.

[@mridotprobably]

@@BlazerMinecrafterit would be terrifying seeing vulture zombot trying to dive bomb into the house while desperately spamming to kill that absolute tank

[@Duckl3r]

51:52 Did that frozen Primal Pea just shoot a pea?? If yes then thats peak game design right here

[@flagzombie]

What lmao I didn't even notice! This game is wild sometimes.

[@Taceria]

Peak game design 10 out of 10!

[@jacobg6299]

He’s just built different

[@Taceria]

​@@flagzombieisn't this game always wild?

[@larrymantic2635]

Zomboss on Day 10: I will get those brains myself. *doesn’t even show up*

[@larrymantic2635]

(but to be fair, he’s allergic to mammoth fur, so there’s that.)

[@buffete3753]

So I really love the thought put into this reall , the redisign look amazing ! Althought the levels really need disigners , love the video !

[@unclespanky2856]

everytime I think the balancing of this version can't get any worse, "zombie with more HP than most bosses every level" comes along and lowers my standards even more I don't know how you get through it sometimes

[@CoralReaper707]

Oh of course they managed to screw my favorite world. I don't know what I expected from talkweb. At least the new lawn and new music are nice. Also, W for the higher quality music.

[@Cool_Kid95]

Based FBC Enjoyer

[@CoralReaper707]

@@Cool_Kid95 Thank god I'm not alone.

[@Cool_Kid95]

@@CoralReaper707 felt it, I haven’t played vanilla in a long time but I remember it being my fav world from there cause OST, lawn, not being too annoying

[@BandyCamp]

It was a good idea... until we know Talkweb would do it... 38:51 - The devs were about to use Troglobite's Veteran design with Elite Chief Ice Wind's hat (Yeah, Talkweb was drunk there, glad they changed his design into something original

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

I’m guessing people would rather get frostbite than play through this mess… glad you did it so we don’t have to!

[@CoralReaper707]

Yeah. As part of the 1% of the population who actually likes frostbite caves, this realm could've been much better. At least in the context of level design.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@CoralReaper707 The same could be said about 60% of all Chinese levels.

[@CoralReaper707]

​​@@TwilightChomperEnthusiastYeah. I will say that I do like the visual designs of the elite zombies.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@CoralReaper707 Agreed. They look much better than every recent plant added to international.

[@CoralReaper707]

@@TwilightChomperEnthusiast real I am still extremely salty that the pvz2 scaredy shroom design was even accepted. They turned one of the most adorable plants ever into what looks like an anorexic insomniac.

[@confusedseagull7555]

Love how the rarest things in this game are profile pictures

[@PietroMaster33]

I really like the Chinese version a lot but the events are a little unfair sometimes

[@thepotassiumgamer2137]

A **little**

[@flyguydev2008]

Understatement of the century

[@milkmonstrosity]

I could not imagine playing these levels from start to end. By the 5th level chores and tax filing would probably look fun by comparison.

[@forcedexcess26]

I like how this is the first china exclusive world to have wave themes

[@hocus_crocus]

Knowing how much money they can put in the art and the concepts, it's pretty weird that they can't afford / find a good lvl designer. As always, the video is good quality and made with time and heart. Keep up the good work, you'll get to the 100K realy soon !

[@TetsuRiken]

To be honest I don't think they are trying to make good levels they are making unfair levels of stupid because they want people to spend money

[@Sensei_Kinder]

"whoa, is the chinese version finally doing something right this time? I mean the musics are cool, the lawn looks great! The idea of reutilizing scrapped zombies are cool, they even brought back the BWB DMG! What could possibly ruin this?" "Ah, 150.000 HP zombie that has a shield. It IS the chinese version after all."

[@saltysalt844]

Finally a horrible level design video about this, kabibambi has also suffered by this

[@АллаПрокофьева-ц2ч]

Yeah i saw his video, he suffered there!

[@Lostcity_unused_zombie]

I expected to see him lose at level 10

[@MrZombiepvz]

Levels be like: Garg spam Super Tanky boss Garg spam

[@Thiago_Rodrigues30]

This game is the definition of quantity > quality

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

Unfortunately, PvZ2 international gets quantity.

[@br1ravioli]

At least it has SOMETHING going on. The international version has neither of those.

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@br1ravioli Idk, international sure gets a lot of stuff. It’s just that none of it is really good.

[@jirachido3997]

Same goes for the international version

[@superexplosion5985]

I can't believe they thought that multiplying the health of a zombie by 1000 was a good idea

[@eduardpeeterlemming]

One of the most unique and underrated pvz channels out there

[@Loch_NES]

What makes the torchwoods burn out like that? Also, you should make a vid explaining the best plants in pvz2c, and why they’re so good. I’d love to see it :D

[@megamasterx9003]

That's Sunflower Singer's doing. Its Plant Food effect makes the other plants "dance" by making them play their animation of when they get water in Zen Garden, hence why Torchwood burns out.

[@Loch_NES]

@@megamasterx9003 tyyy

[@JoseViktor4099]

This is something I do not often mention, but I really appreciate your videos and the way of how you do them. Music, editing, commentary, some points of interest... Is really very worth content even outside PvZ China. Hope you have a good year, Mr Flag.

[@AmandaBCFR]

Someone has to admit that the official response to this whole realms difficulty was more or less: "The fuck you're gonna do about it, upgrade your plants loser". I don't praise the horrible design, but I admire the sassyness. The chinese version of PvZ2 is a gift that keeps on giving and Flag ,the humble hero to endure it.

[@adammuhirwa5245]

Dude that elite hunter is bulkier than all of the zombots. If zomboss just had those he'd have ruled the world 14 years earlier!

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

Not all. Chinese Zombots are bulkier than International ones. A lot.

[@АллаПрокофьева-ц2ч]

I know right Elite Bosses will always walk all the way to Lawn and ate plants in one bite 2:36 Yeah I know they will never hire Level Designers, just Copy-Paste every Upcoming Realms from now on!

[@hzmanyag6761]

3:35 as far as i know, which gargantuar comes out from hypno pf is tied to the lawn. they probably forgot to change properties or something

[@TheQuilavaQueen]

I am staggered by the remix, absolutely fantastic A shame these levels are the way they are tho..

[@Cheesetrap-xg8yv]

I'm honestly impressed that you record all the levels (especially many tries) and edit long videos. 😮

[@thejynxedlynx5570]

Brutal Mode EX Plus devs are taking notes about these elites

[@transam33o]

They brought back Ultimate Battle and Demonstration music? That's so cool! I wish we had that in the international version! At least we don't have those elite zombies, holy crap it took you so long to damage the first one and you barely even did anything. 150 000 HP for a zombie is insane. I wanted to try out this version of the game but looking at your videos it really seems like it's just 10x more content but 100x more bugs and issues

[@SebastianMedina96]

I commend you Flag Zombie. For putting the effort into both suffering through these creativity-dried (Except the visuals and music, those were nice) levels and actually translating them into English.

[@lightningburst428]

I think the devs went COMPLETELY overboard when it comes to balancing. It seems like they are making a game DESIGNED to screw over Little Timmy.

[@yourlocalvampire5479]

42:25 around, Ski Zombie went to the Chinese PvZ backrooms overall great content, Flag Zombie! Keep it up!❤

[@TartagliaThe_11th_McDsEmployee]

The best video to watch before ending this year, thank you Flag Zombie for all the entertaining content you have shown to us throughout this year

[@happygav123]

Day 5 Hard: Defensive plants recharge 3 times slower. Also Day 5 Hard: Defensive plants are banned.

[@-arcademaster101-]

wait so since they increased the quality of the music, does that mean we now have high quality versions of the tracks for the exclusive worlds? I can't recall for sure if we had those before or not, but if not then that's gotta be a big plus.

[@No_One_Important]

11:55 Why did that zombie get hypnotized?

[@undefind3426]

1:10:25 there has surely be a better way for whales/op accounts to be matched up to instead of collectively punishing others for not having op high levelled plants

[@shinhikaru]

Take it little by little. The patching of some plants that can't be frozen is going in the right direction. But I don't think they can use different spawnings anymore, just that they'll limited the same ones from before, just adding new special zombies and objectives. Since balancing is already really hard with levelling.

[@Rocketguy201]

The long videos are quite fun. Also want to see more VS!

[@Scelotorthegreat]

I love the part of the song were you just put the gumnut At the Perfect part edit just made this song sounds so much better 11:02 I don’t know why

[@gamesandsuchwithalex9168]

The music department went all out on this music

[@joaquinagretti4514]

1:13:40 *Lost City day 16 left the chat*

[@angvunguyen3662]

Evil talkweb be like: Make weasel having proper sound and eating animation

[@larrymantic2635]

Be thankful there’s no Guardgantuars during the ice age.

[@Chaotic_Overlord]

Wait,so those scrapped expansion zombies for frostbite caves made It in the chinese version? Nice Edit: Ok, maybe not so nice

[@Nojima68]

1:21:03 nothing is more beautiful than the Northeast Frost Street at the end of the last level :3

[@9w8suxjehsoxjznw]

1:02:39 Iirc level 4 = 4.5x hp, so 675000 hp, over 150 gargs worth.

[@Koronofoxy]

So, you telling me that this mf is more powerful than EVERYTHING that Edgar created over those years, and some OLD PEA destroying him?!

[@jordanthierykurniawan6806]

​@@KoronofoxyNot an old pea, maybe a pea from prehistoric times fits better

[@Koronofoxy]

@@jordanthierykurniawan6806 grandfather pea

[@_LunaticMoon]

Sometimes I wonder if they even have an employee for level design, something tells me they don't

[@PeterKart4444]

i think that talkweb should make the player be able to get the stars from doing the objections separately, so that you don't have to do them all in 1 go to get all the stars

[@dustman2577]

Wait this is probably a weird question but why do the slider tiles look like that? I know they look like that in the International version but weren't they pools in the Chinese version due to china's strict rules on what can be soon in games? (Skulls and bones weren't allowed to be showcased to avoid direct topics of death). It just caught me of guard

[@cocosolis8240]

Ok I love the new lawn design being an homage to Jurassic marsh

[@vincenthaynes3603]

I knew this was coming from the trailers!

[@mmroentertainment9452]

I really enjoyed the video(even if you didnt enjoy playing). Great editing as always and i hope to see in the future a video on the artifacts and other aspects of pvz2 china. Happy new year!

[@tadihotado3518]

Yes a world where snapdragon can (somewhat) shine! It’s still damn hard though

[@robertlupa8273]

*PvZ2 China:* increases the quality of the music and brings back the songs once removed for taking up too much space *PvZ2 Main:* breaks the music even more (or at least that's what I experienced: the music restarted each time I paused the game)

[@Taceria]

Ski zombie: Glad at least someone enjoyed it as I was getting burned alive! So thank you Flag Zombie!

[@Taceria]

Forget about it Zomboss can always clone you! Ski zombie : clone my Ashes? No thank you! No I don't mean clone your Ashes I mean as in clone your entire body! Ski zombie : how come we know teleportation but we don't know how to clone each other? I don't know experiment with some robots and see which one can clone you? Ski zombie : are you sure we're not just gonna explode The Laboratory? Of course you're not you're only gonna experiment in the ice ages/ frostbite caves Octo zombie : but frostbite caves is a little too frosty for me if you know what I mean staying in that big wave beach you're not invited! Octo zombie : okay jeez calm down! Zombies called my crazy neighbor's RV a dummy thick one so I have all rights to be angry

[@Nar31]

So I saw a Sloth Gargantuar get frozen. I know in PVZ2C they throw all imps at once (which is honestly easier), but are they also not freeze immune like Global? Is this for all Frostbite zombies or just the Garg

[@PvzPlusMore]

you are effortlessesly good in videos! keep it up!

[@lucasucasi9106]

There is something that you can do, in order to help us understanding some things about the Chinese Version of PVZ2: Some kind of Mythbusters videos, on which viewers ask for some myths ( I have at least 3 myths that I'm wondering about)

[@Wailerman]

I am once again respectfully asking for a PvZ2C costume video

[@D1TB01]

Please wait

[@Wailerman]

@@D1TB01 ok

[@wwatesse]

weasels popping when they die sounds so satisfying...

[@victorio2005]

Happy New Year Flag. I'm surprised that this time Memory Lane wasn't mentioned.

[@AveragealienWhocosplays-gj2tg]

Pov the weasels making chicken noises to confuse you(it doesn’t do anything)

[@JoseSilva-sj5sl]

I think a good idea for a video would be showing changes in the plants we have in the international version when you level up, like the pumpkin burn or that snapdragon clone that was flying.

[@v7fluigi727]

I enjoy this series as it shows in depth how levels should NOT be made, with that being said though I have a few suggestions that would be nice. Note: You don't have to do any of these things, the only thing I ask is that you at least consider this. also this would not just apply to this series but to your videos in general. 1: It would be nice if you refrain from using level 5 plants in the early levels (notice how I said the EARLY levels, as the later levels would basically be impossible without them) one reason is because its hard to tell if the level is meant for beginners or for experts as the zombies die in microseconds. Another reason is that it get a bit repetitive to see the same plants in every level. plus by not using the same plants, the viewers could see plants like threepeater or reg sunflower or even spikeweed, which would give variety. 2: Not always showing the winning attempt first as it would funnier if you lose to something dumb like a imp or a conehead or something, also it helps show how stupid the level can be, requiring no mistakes. Of course that is IF you lose and sometimes you wont. 3: if you think the level is too boring you could put maybe a pvz heroes match, or you could show some of the failed attempts, just some ideas. Sidenote: when you show the objectives, the mold colonies are in the wrong lanes. I hope you consider some or all of these suggestions, and if you disagree then that's fine as I am only a person with a inferior brain, but hey I did write this school essay comment so that's cool. keep up with the good work and I hope you have a nice day.

[@MaxBenns-t1g]

There are games that don't force you to feel pain you know

[@No_Profile_Picture]

That one mokeyfruit : 😦 (find it yourself)

[@sully6569]

At least they got new worlds , which is a good thing

[@randomprotag9329]

frostbite cave is harder on the level design front with the winds forcing plants but was their not the option to not do a entire frostbite cave realm so that it would only be a little repetitive, if enough was played to get to that point.

[@SuperSky951]

I just noticed something in this video, if you play with the mold colonies in columns 1, 2 and 3, and a garg gets to throw its imp, is it game over unless you have something that can push it back? Edit: Yeah i saw it what happens in hard day 6 now, if it wasnt for the cattails, then it would be gg

[@flagzombie]

Yep

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

I still don't get why they just didn't do random generation of levels?

[@Flyguy_24744]

1:18:54 Whats that cyan square all about? Is it to hide something private or something?

[@zuperzach]

High quality music? IN MY PVZ2 CHINA?? Rare Talkweb W. EA could never

[@wormsign2637]

Tbh I kinda like the idea of Elite Hunter being “extremely overpowered boss but can be stun locked”(though that probably should have a more accessible method than Turkey-Pult if you want to make that an intentional gimmick) but for the other two, give them actually reasonable fucking health instead of making them tankier than the Zombots + shields + only being killable with one damage type. And maybe don’t have fast Bucketheads spawned in hordes constantly in the middle of the lawn(though the Elite Weasels spawning on their own seems genuinely interesting. Imagine that in mods). Also, that final level really just said “Objective: Survive”.

[@simplilin]

When are you going to start overanalyzing some plants from Chinese verson?

[@mychelrocha7281]

He aready did that There is in the playlists(both plants and zombies)

[@gilbertinastefan]

PvZ2C if it had level designers:😎 PvZ2C if it was easily accessible:😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎

[@grephi6416]

i love how everything just pops when primal pea hits any small zombie

[@spoopertrooper2726]

The fact that you have the most insanely broken plants in the entire game, with their individual attacks able to instantly down a gargantuar in many circumstances, and there is even a SINGLE LEVEL where you had to retry 13 TIMES... That fact alone should speak for how horrific this realm is to endure. Not play through. Endure. They say that people who go to hell burn, but you never know. Maybe they meant freezer burn.

[@DrFlagShipKingBeard]

Imagine Elite Octo Zombie or Archmage. I would uninstall this game if I had to.

[@AdvikVerma-zg4zz]

These plants are taking so long to kill this elite! Hynpo shroom:

[@luma_rgv]

Hey! I saw the snapdragon "special hability" i guess (when he attacks) and I thought you could do a video where you show the exclusive special abilities of level 5 plants that we already have in the international version. Great vid BTW, keep It Up ;)

[@strax9865]

the music from 1:12:07 fk slaps, i remember the flash game it came from 10/10

[@EidolonWarrior]

Could you try to make a video about dealing the most damage thats possible in pvz2c

[@-awezomexd-]

1:20:50 you probably don’t read comments on your older videos but I love the longer content. I usually just watch small parts at a time and then come back to it later until I eventually finish the whole thing

[@flagzombie]

Thanks for the feeback!

[@eldritchskye2608]

the remixed FC final wave sounds like something from garden warfare 🔥 🔥

[@johnvincentnava195]

150,000 hp? Its either you need busted plants or plants that do % damage Do they have a damage cap?

[@lavauk2425]

At this point, i think, Flag should just ask them to be their level designer. Like come one, it's obviously that they should make most levels 3 flags, last level 4 flags, make elite zombie's shields weaker each time you broke them, use less molds and less percents on buffs/nerfs. When on lvl 1 the task was to blew 5 zombies it seemed cool, cause it's something new besides just buff or nerf stats of zombies and plants. It's may be hard to make levels unique and interesting, vut it's not that hard, to make them NOT terrible

[@vladtundra857]

Oh gosh... I'm just wondering, is it even possible to beat with level 1 plants?)

[@unfunniestman]

From the thumbnail i thought it was going to be Reflourished's Hypothermic Hollows, and from the length i thought it was going to be 1 hour of complaining about the level that has 2 endangered pepperpults

[@xandercrosby3757]

Satan to the Elites and Chinese Developers: I'm a Huge fan of your work.

[@DimentioDS]

Alright, which is worse, the Birthdayz realm or this one?

[@brunosanto3488]

Perhaps this gives us an explanation as to why we do not have this expansion in the International version. It was clearly intended to be part of the "Memory Lane" series, but the International version does not have Memory Lane.

[@ZombieXc13]

At this rate they have the nostalgia buyout event

[@PvZ2Findings]

International expansion would've been way better

[@brawlmaster0190]

Such a shame the levels are so repetitive with that banger of a OST

[@GuyWhoKnows-p9g]

The fact that you just stunlocked elite hunter is hilarious. It's not about the optimal setup, it's about feature abuse😂