17 Levels of Pain - Horrible Level Design Ep. 9

[@flagzombie]

Correction, Chicken Wranglers release Chickens with 500 HP, not 500 of them.

[@איתיפיטרוקובסקי]

I don't think that makes it any better 😂 Also what is the rectangle 15:44

[@ereiyalla9686]

Ooh but they are still drunk.

[@Rainstar1234]

what da hell

[@thepotassiumgamer2137]

Chickens were already annoying, now they're just stupid

[@1yakup159]

Thats not any better 😨

[@DivineBaguette]

“As a 10 year celebration, we want to remind you how terrible our levels could have been through those 10 years!”

[@ishfuntime]

Meanwhile global pvz 2 level designs are boring as hell. Literally sweeping every level with lightning reeds

[@3takoyakis]

Global players when given a challenge after years of no update: _This level is unbalanced!_

[@omegamyee5592]

​@azukiandkoro2417 bro do not tell me that you think the only strat to beating these shitass levels (Unga bunga lvl 5 plant aoe spam) is a sign of good level design

[@Darthwgamer]

@@3takoyakis Bro must've not watched the video

[@mephistosimp]

1:00:37 same energy as "what is different about newspaper zombie, you ask?"

[@Pancho326]

*Pvz plus flashbacks*

[@Taceria]

Flashbacks to the original pvz he brutal mode ex plus

[@sergioterenzi8236]

This didn't age well...

[@Naito115]

​@@Taceriaflashback to basically every PvZ mod that RCCH plays

[@MysteryMusic512]

An hour long Horrible Level Design video? Oh this is bliss

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

Not for Flag Zombie!

[@JoseViktor4099]

Oof, I must wonder if 17 levels of only poor level design must be even possible. Edit: Huh, It was easier than I though, just put 7 BS unrelated objectives to the same reskined level , only changing zombies and works done!

[@thexwhats2989]

The fact all of the levels were copy and pasted 💀

[@namkwal]

truly

[@Predator20357]

Chinese PVZ2 puts me in a perpetual loop of “That’s good…That’s bad” Like it takes the best and worst parts of PVZ2 and cranks it to painful levels.

[@Rainstar1234]

honestly quite incredible how they released 17 whole levels that are so bad that flag zombie decided to make an hour long video showcasing all of them

[@AnonChuck.ObjectShowViewer]

Because it`s one level which was cloned 16 times.

[@endlesssuffering9056]

The chicken buff is a health increase of 500. Levelling probably had something to do with it as well, boosting the health even further.

[@CyberSteve777]

Yeah, lvl 5 chicken = 15 * 500 = 7500 hp

[@civicmimiv]

​@@CyberSteve777this is insane

[@kityondzhou6863]

​​@@Chilli_beanoh no💀💀💀

[@M1rFortune]

It's called a challenge. Life isn't ez

[@etheron1235]

​@@M1rFortuneWe know it's a challenge, but it shouldn't be that bullshit to deal with

[@KiikaBug]

Kind of a random comment, but I just wanna say the music selection for these videos is always absolutely excellent. Snif City coming on in the first 4 minutes of the video just proves that point,

[@flagzombie]

Thank you!

[@starpanda25]

And the rest of the music is blocked by-*sunflower singer plant food sound*

[@ereiyalla9686]

​@@starpanda25Guy, It's not blocked.

[@lilaniloxi]

that and the kirby songs! love it :D

[@naplockblubba5369]

​@@starpanda25Only in the left side

[@buffete3753]

An hour long of terrible disign ? Hell yeah sign me up ! Thanks for your hard work as always flag

[@flagzombie]

You're welcome!

[@Starsea-zc7vb]

​@@flagzombie I feel bad for you

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

This realm makes Fairytale Forest look like leisurely stroll. I’m so sorry you had to go through all of this pain for content.

[@NoUserU]

"Anything for the content..."

[@pumpkinheadreaper8964]

Alternate title: A 75 mins demonstration of Talkweb being a complete disappointment

[@amir12789]

An hour long Flag Zombie video? Awesome

[@THEnicholasvancosky]

Glad to see that I'm not the only one disappointed with this Secret Realm. The only good things that came from this anniversary celebration imo is the lottery thing where new players have to enter your code, the game flat out giving you Hoya Heart with the Boss Rush event, and (I guess) the Guitar Artifact imo.

[@cygnus_a0]

You know what code to enter and how it works? I don't understand it. At least I got that Artifact from that lottery or roulette thing in the first spin... I just claim those 5 daily tickets, no idea what else to do in that section..

[@zellexy]

back to back Horrible Level Design videos? AND an HOUR LONG?? Hell yeah

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

“17 Levels of Pain.” Is this the name of the scene, or is this a name you gave it yourself? Either way, I can understand both versions. I’m sure you experienced 17 different _types_ of pain doing these!

[@daylitwaffle]

I like how pumpkin witch’s immediate response to sunflower singer’s plant food it to just start screaming. You can see this at 14:25 and I think it is very funny.

[@larrymantic2635]

It’s like it’s screaming “End! END!”

[@gayahhbihh]

"LET'S PUMPKING GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!"

[@benjaminschmitt1562]

“Wait, our 10 year anniversary is Tommorow?!” -Talkweb

[@ke4455]

Imagine if instead of Glitter always jamming In the Neon Mixtape Tour level it was all zombies always jamming and the buffed zombie had their jamming effect buffed

[@milkmonstrosity]

Might be that Gargs throw Imps based on reaching a set health value rather than percentage. I could easily see Level 5 plants doing more than 1800 damage in a couple seconds.

[@neuralstrings8015]

Small Correction: If you want to get all worthwhile rewards you have to get 10 stars max, there are also rewards that require one from each difficulties and such, but none of them require all 15 stars. The profile picture is the thing that requires all the stars.

[@ereiyalla9686]

29:47 Look on the first row on the eighth column and you will see the glitched Narcissus shooter being on the mold colonies.

[@ereiyalla9686]

In wild west, chickens have turned from weak to basically almost a gargantuar.

[@lrodshrek6086]

Damn, the Chinese version really doesn’t hold anything back. This sorta explains why some of the plants are super overpowered.

[@linggacr17]

++

[@peash0ter610]

Primal peashooter, Sunflower singer, Phat beat and Bonk Choy all walk into a costume party...

[@RGC_animation]

I think it's hilarious that Lost City, usually the world that gives you the most sun has objectives that hinders sun production the most by far.

[@DragonTheOneDZA]

You must destroy the gimmick of the world so the level becomes literal hell >:) And also send some gargs into the water lanes in pirate seas because they never tested the levels

[@Keczamisen]

​@@DragonTheOneDZAthese levels are either a copypaste or they were rushed by CCCP

[@hovinhhao5235]

500 actually refers to HP. In other words, Chicken Wrangler releases 500HP chickens. Tanky chickens

[@thepotassiumgamer2137]

They just ruined the whole point of chickens: having no health, but there are loads of them

[@pillowmint4622]

"Crazy Dave, I'm trying to defend the mold colonies, but the clap of the Phat Beets keeps distracting the plants!" jokes aside, congrats on the W! I don't care if you had to use busted plants, sticking with it through such pain deserves a W regardless of how you reached the end.

[@shinysaur4492]

My eyes got wider and wider the more I read the objectives for the FIRST LEVEL. I'm genuinely wracking my brain on how the other objectives get worse than this. Edit: *IT GETS EVEN WORSE???*

[@tacoshero4579]

it's impressive how they make their broken level 5 plants struggle with these levels

[@LanaIsUnderrated]

The least bad modifier in my opinion is zombies deal 200% more damage They will always be level 5, or even above that meaning everything that isnt a defensive plant will already die when lightly touched So 200% doesnt matter unless your using defense planses (which doesnt matter since quite a few of these levels ither outright banned defensive plants, or just made their recharge 3 times longer, making them nearly unable to be placed)

[@ereiyalla9686]

1:04:19 That just explains all the levels perfectly.

[@i_dont_even_fucken_know]

Another way to tell that these levels are copy pasted: so you know how dark ages is notorious for sun not falling from the sky, WELL IF YOU LOOK AT THE SKY IN THE DARK AGES LEVEL, SUN IS FALLING FROM THE, SKY, AT, NIGHT

[@thepotassiumgamer2137]

How did I just now realize that?

[@RobertTheFoxxo]

Wow they didn't even bloody bother..

[@Taceria]

I literally had that on my bingo list yet for some reason I decided to not include it in my list of renting about no gimmicks coming from those Worlds!

[@larrymantic2635]

Good eye! That’s absolutely Bonkers!

[@Awesome_peashooter_costume12]

Damn, these levels are so well put together and interesting to play, good job Talkweb! Appreciate the softlock at the end btw

[@АллаПрокофьева-ц2ч]

Oh boy Birthdayz Realm and this realm is even harder than rest of Realms

[@stefanocavallucci4999]

17 levels with 8 buffs!? this is exploding my mind!

[@TheHorrorPlant]

Well, this looks like torture. Props in doing it all for a HOUR long video

[@thepizzaman6310]

Wow, penny's recollection chips must be busted.

[@heckincat1406]

Bro, you know you're kinda carrying the PVZ community with these bangers, right? Absolutely beautiful

[@Vlyg11]

unrelated topic but you have pretty good taste in music, and also help me discover more music, I also love these videos, don't let haters stop you!

[@flagzombie]

Thanks!

[@Taceria]

I know the objectives of Dark Ages will be terrible when by just reading them I'm literally terrified how the rest will go judging by a big wave beach increasing/buffing octo zombie to throw twice the amount of octopi on the plants and has more hp 😱

[@that1cloud925]

I really love your videos so much because of the fitting music you use in them

[@dangng7079]

These objective really remind me of an event from another tower defense game (Arknights) and How much better they handle that event ( It's called Contingency Contract) compare to this atrocity : . So in that event , quite similar to this , you can choose contract to make a map harder by adding debuff to alliance ,buff to all enemy or a specific special enemy . But here is the deal : the game is more of a traditional tower defense (kinda like BTD and kingdom rush ) , it have a lot more mechanic and gimmick to add into a enemy/environment around the map that force you to take a different approach . For example "stealth' will make a enemy immune to basically anything unless they are block ,dodge for a centain amount of time , deal massive damage around if take enough damage , .... Buff enemy's stat dont make the stage worse but make it more complicated , weak enemy at the start is still weak but put more pressure on your defense early on forcing you to use your resources effectively and act as meat shield for more threatening enemy later , special enemy are tankier so you cant just murder them instantly and force to understand their mechanic ,use the right counter to chip them down over time/ reach them and minilize they destruction . Special enemy in this game dont just put a constantly pressure on your defense ,they do walk around the map or just standing around , MENACINGLY, giving you the chance to shut them down before they reach your main defense and murder everything . The event/game is way too complicated to explain it all under this comment so if you are interested i can make a brief summary of a season of contingency contract under this comment .And thanks for video my guy ,Love from Vietnam (and sorry for my broken english )

[@carolingio1152]

The difference is that in CC the mechanics of each event they use are used, in addition to the fact that there is no linear way to reach Risk 18, you can use the combination of contracts that you want

[@whomdunit2457]

Seeing the higher levels of international plants makes me wonder... would you do a video going over them all some day?

[@xdluck_xd7481]

And people said Penny's Pursuit in the international version is hard. At least its objectives are optional

[@THEnicholasvancosky]

It ticks me off that Talkweb didnt seem to apologize or even acknowledge how bafflingly awful these levels were still.

[@Kemuja]

I like, how the rewards from completing a level is better than beating them all with the harshest restrictions.

[@Ermonacodimontagna]

I may be sadistic but I love seeing you play these insufferably garbage levels

[@badcordeliusplayer]

Now imagine a fairytale forest level in this event

[@erihgioqe3798]

death

[@ereiyalla9686]

21:29 That red screen is awesome.

[@unclecheese1157]

with this video i realized that a video talking about the leveling of the international version plants would be COOL.

[@aline7984]

the dark ages one is NUCLEAR level design holy shit

[@minestorian4035]

This was cool video because of its length, good explainings and funny end montage.❤❤❤ Continue do this kind of stuff! It's cool! P.S. I heavily sympathise you, and also I'm disappointed with laziness and extreme hardness too.😮

[@justashinyfueococo5239]

"So,how are we gonna celebrate the 10th anniversary of our game" "Oh I know, lets make an horribly unfair level for each world plus an extra one ,with 7 stupid objectives each. And of course the reward is a costume for a bad plant and a new pfp that no one will use" "You are getting a goddamn raise"

[@mushroom4466]

The Octo and Wizard buffs are just evil. Like wtf man

[@heytayooo9998]

Oh this is remind me off contingency contract in arknights

[@moon_dazer]

Always love your videos just as much as I love Sunflower Singer & her special plant food effect and abilities!

[@ammaryt1186]

I'm mad at 2C for making this. Why does it have to be so difficult

[@Zaxmonx_x]

Same to me also, im struggling with this levels since electric blueberry is my only lvl 5 plant

[@robertlupa8273]

And copy-paste-y

[@TaylorBarnes-hs5ot]

Getting to choose the objectives would have been a great idea if you didn't have to use ALL of them. Also 1 hour long flag zombie vid! Lets gooo!

[@endershel8163]

Im so glad I found you. This video is very nice to watch and makes me want the the chinese version of pvz2

[@Nobodyismyname593]

Imagine having to go through all that hard work and suffering for a silly little profile picture. Very amazing! 🙃

[@davidpereira5969]

the chomper costume being not even close to 10th year aniversary related is the icing on the cake a really bad and awfully cooked cake

[@THEnicholasvancosky]

They could've made it a cake splattered on his head that has designs that look like silly eyes on the sides.

[@ereiyalla9686]

14:35 Her music is so great, it stopped those zombies from falling😂😂.

[@naplockblubba5369]

This level of laziness is actually kind of sad. Like, they either didn't have the resources or didn't care to make any good levels, for the 10th anniversary no less. It's like the game is barely holding onto its life, only kept alive by developers who just don't really care anymore.

[@Manahina1]

I feel like you were never intended to beat all the levels with max requirements, and they just put a profile pic as your reward so very dedicated players would get something from all that pain. That pfp would probably be the one of the biggest flexes in this game.

[@thehansboi]

Jesus I didn't expect the next episode would be a hour long lol

[@TennisBallMations]

I Like those types of videos! Keep it up man!

[@1NS1GN1USPH]

14:33 We now redirect you to an era of pumpkin zombies-

[@ereiyalla9686]

35:10 That is pure torture.

[@bruvocado]

This was so painful to play I imagine, thank you for your sacrifice

[@mememan7180]

There's nothing less satisfying than a piercing plant food killing absolutely nothing

[@Chris-zx5yz]

Sunflower singer being the mvp 80% of the video xd

[@vincenthaynes3603]

just because I feel creative, I'll give a name for each 2C veteran in the event. AE: Anubis Zombie PS: Steel Barrelroller Zombie WW: Chicken Coop Wrangler Zombie KFU: Chi Lord Zombie FF: Laser Scale Shield Zombie DA: Doom Ages Wizard Zombie BWB: Titanic Octo Zombie FBC: Giga Zombie Dodo SC: Dual Mecha Plane Zombies LC: Turqouise Doomsday Zombie NMT: Hatbraine Zomiku JM: Raiding Raptor Imp MD: Zomburbian Football League Zombie SA: Steam President Zombie RA: Dance Queen Zombie HA: 5 star Sushi Chef Zombie BD: Anniverzary Cake Zombie

[@Aykasoyo]

Nice

[@jessetime159]

This is why I play PVZ 2 Altverz and Reflourished because at least those are way better designed than THIS. Although, to be honest, while I agree the levels by Talkweb are worse than those by PopCap, I'd still rather play mods instead because they have better level design.

[@icaroaraujo4341]

35:21 close call on that garg(remember,in pvz,the gargs always throw their imps in column 3

[@royalnobody7703]

i think another way they could have balanced objectives was to make more of them but keep the thresh hold the same, that way you have more agency and get to choose the least bad ones, similar to contingency contract which the devs were probably basing this on.

[@tahaloutfi8844]

28:54 I actually get that reference much more than expected, because octogeddon armageddon hehe But also that octogeddon is a game that was made by the creators of pvz. Quite the coincidence

[@Justcommentinhere]

Guy is just factory of fun content rn

[@Triple-Q]

Ah, great to see that Plants vs. Zombies 2 is taking inspiration from Hades, right down to its absurdly difficult and likely untested Heat system!

[@Pancho326]

These 17 levels should be used as an example of how not do a level.

[@grephi6416]

THE ENTIRE REALM????????

[@ereiyalla9686]

1:46 I see why its a HORRIBLE design.

[@meme_basement]

These ice blocks in frostible caves fr were a big bruh moment, lol

[@ereiyalla9686]

In Far Future, they didn't even think of power tiles, W O W.

[@larrymantic2635]

“Oh hey, Power Tiles! That’s a thing in Far Future!” “Um, sir… where’s the Plant Food?” “Fuck.”

[@lilaniloxi]

Honestly, after reading the rant in the Heian age section, i think making a video on Talkweb's general treatment of the game could be interesting? there seems to be uh,, alot of issues on that regard

[@damie9412]

Lovely video! Always supporting you

[@ereiyalla9686]

10:07 "Chicken Wranglers now release 500 chickens" Maybe they are drunk.

[@imsirnootnoot]

The dark age and big wave beach level, I can't believe anyone was able to beat it

[@HARUNICOLAS8386]

Thank you for your sacrifice for this video, Flag Zombie!

[@NaoruAria]

Honestly, that's what Ballerina Zombies should be by default, a Z-Corp Consultant buffed AF that makes you regret playing PvZ2

[@MonsterAcaedmy]

I beat all the lvs. I took me 3 weeks to complete. It even sucks with lv 5 plants. At least I have a lot of lv 5 plants. The worse objectives are the seed slot objective and the sun objective. And a 1 hour video from Flag? Thats best.

[@DaAxolotlBoi]

HOUR LONG I'M GOING TO WATCH IT ALL

[@hungariancountryball2928]

An entire hour long?? LETS GO!

[@pedromartins6810]

DEar god this version of the game is even more of a trainwreck than the original, so much so that the train is 20 km from the track

[@kityondzhou6863]

when its one hour you know something is wrong

[@wongkaiwen7035]

Question for you, 1.Which plants are your favourites? 2.How many levels do kong fu world have? 3.Where did you brought this Chinese game

[@Ilikeeatingbreakfastalot213]

You can check the description for a tutorial on how to get the game tho flag dosent have a ios tutorial

[@kiseki8351]

Ever wonder if these levels are just an elaborate joke the devs made to see just how stupid they can make their design while still profiting?

[@trobitman]

Remember these guys(Talkweb) when you're gonna talk trash about Clash Royale.

[@nibyafternight1983]

Take a shot everytime "these are the objective of this level" appears

[@StellariaEclipse]

God awful design on Talkweb's part, but I WILL say that watching Flag Zombie absolutely demolish some extremely difficult levels after following along with their videos about all the plants they're using feels satisfying as all hell

[@Naito115]

The standout to me was the 837 sun Sweet Potato.