Flair Espresso Comparison (Classic vs. Signature vs. Pro vs. Pro 2)

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[@JamesPearson]

A really useful video when trying to decide which version to buy - thank you so much!!

[@dogstar2000]

I fully agree, best overview I've seen so far - thank you!

[@JoyOnTheJourney_]

Very well laid out video showing the differences in the Flair models, Nathan, thank you.

[@rajatbansal512]

Extremely detailed thanks for the comparison.

[@AJM547]

Excellent video! Perfect explanation of the different versions. Would be great to see you pulling shots and showing the workflow.

[@MikeFLHT]

Nice job! Good comparison video. Helped me make the decision to buy the Pro 2 which I received yesterday and will be playing with today.

[@brockleybob5449]

Thank you for the review, it is very informative!

[@andrewcole8478]

Love your video! Definitely happy with my Flair Pro 2.

[@Lonkines]

clear and good review. It was very easy to understand the differences between each model. thank you so much!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped you out

[@timborg770]

Amaaaaazing video! Got all info here that I've struggling to find lately. Thanks so much for sharing this, and hope you're still enjoying the Pro 2

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped! I actually sold the flair pro 2 a few years back! Have the 58 plus coming in the mail now!

[@johnborges5938]

This video really helped me sort out the various models and figure my entry route. Great info!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!

[@johnwilliamson9453]

Very informative, thank you! You’re a fan, for sure!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I love my flair! Just posted a new video of this that includes the neo!

[@worldrecipeoflife3806]

GREAT COMPARISON AND EXPLANATION!

[@jackieguo6134]

thank you for the video, this is so helpful for me decide which version to get. thanks.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped!

[@philimanilie9293]

Thank you for such a helpful video. Have you tried the cafelat robot? Which do you prefer?

[@Timartyn]

This was so helpful! Thank you! I like the systemic theology books conveniently on full display haha

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Haha I was working from home durning the first part of covid! I am a pastor

[@OffWithTheGrid]

Great video. I'm new to espresso and looking for a non-electric espresso maker and this video has helped a lot! Very thorough. Thanks!

[@stuffnuns]

I hope you got your Flair, I’ve had mine for 2 years, and I make the best espresso in town. Really.

[@OffWithTheGrid]

Mitchel Evans I actually did an absolutely love it. Still trying to fine tune the best amount of grounds and type of beans etc. Now I’m looking for an easier way to steam and stretch milk than having to use a French press and heat up in a double boiler on the stove. Any experience?

[@AD-bx2xo]

Off With The Grid get the Bellman stovetop steamer. It’s a 2 in 1 espresso maker that makes terrible espresso but rather good at steaming milk

[@iBenTV]

this video is a godsend, thank you!!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped! I have a new version out with the Neo!

[@sausage5276]

great video thank you! i admire your coffee journey. I would've jumped on the new neo model if it could be upgraded to the pro 2 brew head. i'm going to save up for the pro 2 and look forward to the royal grinder, krinder, or 1zpresso je. i might get the classic brew head afterwards to test pulling smaller shots.

[@healthyhabitmavericks]

Thank you so much! Very useful!

[@vielehobbiesmeistensteuer1923]

Hey that‘s very interesting. Thank you! I would just use it maybe 3 weeks/year and I will not have a grinder with me. Do you think the classic is good for that and did you already test the NEO?

[@kiantatchong4978]

Thanks for the detailed comparison. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Of course!

[@thedamnbored]

This is the most delightful video i have ever seen.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thank you!

[@JessicaSeverin]

thank you, that was very helpful. Here in Japan the Flair Pro2 is very expensive (~$650 almost double the signature and almost up to La Pavoni pricing). Do you feel like you can pull a better shot with the Pro2 or do you like it because of the nicer build quality?

[@solidgouki621]

Great job~ Thanks for your video~

[@jaykunstman]

Great video. I have the Pro 2 and no desire to upgrade. Nice book collection!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for watching!

[@jeffdowns1038]

Ha! Some good books you got back there. I haven't watch the full video yet. Looking forward to it since I sold my Classic and am looking to get another.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I’m a Full time pastor!

[@jeffdowns1038]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner As am I: Knox Reformed Presbyterian Church, Mechanicsville, VA

[@stinkdyr301]

Good comparison of the features of the different models.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thank you

[@susantohariyanto5806]

Good info, i am also start from kickstarter flair, and upgrade the base to botomless, but glad to know that the new portafilter wont fit in my old body. And it become clear why the plunger differences for pro and classic.

[@scottandpenneyforbes1838]

Thank you! I would love to see a video of you dialing in a shot, start to finish with your setting for the Flair Pro 2.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for watching! Unfortunately I no longer have the pro 2 and can’t make that video

[@Avak1441]

Great video, love the books in the back ground 😉

[@liberalmatt]

Great video, shame about the (non-evidentiary) books in the background 🤨

[@zrouhana]

Great video !!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thank you

[@ritaweygint4038]

Great info, thanks! I decided on the Classic (because I don’t like the rose gold trim on the Pro 2). Was going to upgrade to the Pro 2 brew head, but have no real need to do that, as I already have a fully modded Gaggia Classic. I did get the pressure gauge for it though. The Flair is a simple and fun machine that makes GREAT espresso. It looks beautiful on the counter and is great for travel, too.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad you like it!

[@geoffc376]

Love your Theology books Brother! 💯

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thank you!

[@willo7979]

enjoying your vid, while sipping one brewed with my classic. things to note; 1. the funnel below portafilter is great. 2. to yield best, ground to be tamped to the height just exactly height till flushes to bottom of screen.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

great tips!

[@fabiancisneros3007]

Hands down the best Flair review in KZbin, shame it doesnt include the 58

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thanks so much! This was done way before the flair 58 existed! I have a few videos on the 58 now!

[@lokalviral]

Nice video man, thanks for the information! I wonder have you try to use the dispresion screen on clasic to pro or pro to classic? Because in my country classic sparepart is not available again and I get the old version classic flair that get dispresion screen with rubber and already ripped :’( the stainless like classic new version also unavailable. Because the distributor focusing on sale the pro version.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

You will need the dispersion Screen on all of them. The ripped on should still work though

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Great video, more detailed in the differences than even Flair mentions on their website, thank you. Also, just a heads up it's SPOUT not Sprout! :) But I think people know what you mean either way.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

thanks for the feedback! for some reason I will always have sprout stuck in my head! Even though that does not even make sense!

[@stuffnuns]

The Flair is a beautiful example of industrial design. IMHO, it is the best hand-pull home machine made today. I almost got a La Pavoni, but I took a chance on a machine 1/4 the price, and I am glad I got a Flair instead. Absolute quality, portable, with a nice case, barista quality shots . Save yourself $600 - $800+ over a lovely Italian machine, and get as good , or better, shots from the Flair.

[@miksurankaviita]

Couldn't find 'Blackwell's companion to natural theology' on your desk😂 I can suggest that book, or any other literature by William Lane Craig to be honest👍🏻

[@ps121he4]

Quick question, does Hario V60 Scale fit where the drip trays go? Or is it too big? I know Acaia scale fits but its way too expensive. Thank you!

[@jvt1808]

Question, from my signature to upgrade to pro series, do i need to change everything or just the brew head?

[@timmarshall4881]

Very well done video.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thanks you!

[@chronosxl85]

Very informative video. Thank you. I had to rewatch the video again, but for the 2020 line up, you can buy the flair signature, and then later buy a pro2 shot kit (and will be compatible)?

[@chronosxl85]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner wow, I see what you mean, lol. I am considering a flair signature. The small obstacle is best pre-heating method, since you dont have the piston (in the classic) to cap the bottom of the water cylinder. Do you think the Pro2 preheat silicone cap would work just as well? (minus the fact that it wont seal completely to the signature water cylinder completely)

[@chronosxl85]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner cool. Good trick

[@matsab7930]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner really? if you have the flair signature you already have the pressure gauge, therefore you should only need the second shot kit and funnel to upgrade right? asking because i'll probably want a second brew chamber anyway, so this is a convenient upgrade on the side.

[@matsab7930]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner shiiiiit really? as in they're totally incompatible or just irritating to use together?

[@matsab7930]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner ahh, i see. you can just buy the stem itself, there's no need to purchase an extra gauge, those are detachable. still, that's rather irritating

[@niccosantos7088]

Hey, nice video! I have question though. Flair started releasing refurbished equipment which range from the classic to the pro models. Do you think buying a refurbished item from flair will yield a return in investment? Thank you!

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I would definitely buy refurbished if I were in the market

[@9abe9]

Very nice video, thanks! For those looking for the cheapest yet really quality grinder, hand grinders are the ones to choose. And the best bang for your buck, the cheapest Very high quality seems to be the 1Zpresso JX-Pro, from what I've gathered in forum posts. That said, don't believe on me, do your search

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I’ve heard similar!

[@nenadjokic]

“UM” ;) Good video :) helped me to choose the right one

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Glad it helped!

[@vincentiusgondowijoyo9070]

Wait, the flair is upgradable? Whoa man! Definitely choosing this over the rokpresso hahaha

[@vincentiusgondowijoyo9070]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner one question though. Have you had to make multiple espressos at once? How does the flair workflow like? Is it very annoying?

[@Kberrysal]

I am thinking about buying one. did you get the temperature strip for it

[@abrilrojas5290]

HI Would you recommend me buy the classic FLAIR with the pressure gauge included?

[@gregspektor7423]

Thank you for this video. It answered so many of my questions, even some I didn't know I had. You mentioned that it's possible to get a late model Classic and upgrade it with the Pro2 Portafilter. According to Flair support and website only the Signature accepts the Pro2 Portafilter. I would love to buy a used Classic or, even better, the Neo and pop the Pro2 Portafilter and pressure gauge in to get a budget Pro2. Can you confirm that the Classic would indeed accept the Pro2 Portafilter pls?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

It will as long as it has a black plastic ring in it

[@MisterAudiobass]

Hey man quick question if you can help me out with, since you have the classic and pro 1. Can you check for me if the Dispersion screen that comes with the classic will fit in the portafilter of the pro 1? I need to know because I'm waiting for flair to send me a new Pro shower screen, but my local store has the classic style dispersion screen so wondering if that would work instead. Thanks man, appreciate it

[@ericrodriguez8555]

I really love that you have your study material in the background. Grudem's systematic theology is great. I've been reading Biblical Doctrine by MacArthur and Mayhue.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Thanks man! I am a full time paster

[@gerocampo100]

Hey have you managed to have a look at the neo?

[@user-hw2lb7rv4m]

Would Wilfa conical burr grinder work with any of Flair's model? Thanks :)

[@thesoundpurist]

have ti mention Baratza stand behind their products. Even after warranty expired , they re amazing.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

For real super grateful for that

[@lordtyroxx]

So before watching this video, I came to the conclusion that the original purchase of an Aergrind+Flair classic upgraded to the Comandante+Flair pro II was the way to go, but it's really nice having a bit of validation for my purchases :D

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Heard good things about the commandante. I currently use a kinu and love it

[@Milofchg]

After my Breville Barista Express took a dump on me. I’m looking for a proper Italian made high end machine (maybe Rocket or La Marzocco) in a few years. Gotta save for it. In the mean time this look like it can hold me through. Not bad for the $2-$300 price range. What do you use for grinding your coffee?

[@Milofchg]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Awesome! I look forward to the Flair Pro 2.0. I will say I was taken back a bit from all the hand grinder options out there. Seems like a proper espresso hand grinders sell for $100 - $300 range. Grind is everything with espresso. I hear so much about NICHE single dose grinder. They are backlogged and currently taking a wait list for October sales.

[@ozgurserdar8627]

hi. thanks for the detailed video. quick question: would you buy signature or pro 2 if you wanted 15-6 gr shots?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Im not the best to ask on that as I typically brew 18 grams. You could probably make it work on both tho!

[@ozgurserdar8627]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner thank you for the answer. have a nice one.

[@miscgloryofficial4527]

So the ROK is no good? I’d love to grab the signature pro 2, it’s just a lot more

[@ilhamnurdiansyah8493]

If i have a classic one, to upgrade to pro 2 so what i need is just buy pro 2 brew head set? So i still can use my portafilter base and the steel puller?

[@doxman13]

bro, if i have pro1 , i can just buy new portafilter to upgrade to pro2?

[@angelovillaruz5052]

Books at the background are way too familiar to me. I can see a Grudem and Tozer. Hahaha

[@zmcqdvnmf6653]

Hi, Is the BPF pro 2 compatible with the Pro set? Thanks

[@guidoserrano2629]

Do you know if the flair pro 2 is compatible with the smart espresso profiler?

[@djmuscleg]

Hey! Any chance you can measure outside diameter of Classic basket, where funnel sits on top? Or internal funnel diameter. Thank you

[@djmuscleg]

Nathan Cabeen Well, the reason I need this funnel for my other project. I already figured that out. Thanks for a suspicious help.

[@pimacanyon6208]

Bummer about the larger brew head requiring a different pressure gauge than the one on the signature. I was planning to buy the signature and also buying the larger brew head. Reason: I want to pull smaller shots for me and larger shots for my wife. So here's a question: Can you use like 9 grams of coffee in either brew head if you want to pull a single shot? Or do you have to use the minimum that's listed, for example minimum of 12 grams for the standard brew head or 16 grams for the Pro 2 brew head?

[@pimacanyon6208]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner thank you! I think I'll go with the signature because it does have a significantly smaller brew head which will be better for smaller amounts of coffee.

[@jobasti98]

so the signature normal can be upgraded with the pro’s brewgroup? or dose that not fit?

[@2soccerfreak2]

so it hasn't shipped yet but I JUST bought the classic with the package set that comes with the pressure gauge and stainless tamper. should I switch to the signature? or is it basically the same the kit that I'm buying.

[@deliafranco]

Classic (red pf holder) with gauge kit and SS tamper is same as the signature with pressure kit (copper plated of holder). The singature pro is different which uses the new /bigger brew head and PF.

[@mrdaflyguy]

Will the pro 2 ports filter produce better coffee than pro 1.thats all I'm bothered about Thanks

[@pantac4493]

I highly doubt it. All the pressure regulation happens with grounds and ground quality. I think the bottom holes are just a pass through at that point and keep the grounds from coming out. I think for the pro 2 is mainly if you want a spout or not, I have the pro 1 and don’t have issues with it spraying but that’s mainly an indication that you’re doing something wrong anyway. I’ve had luck with making sure your grounds are settled well before you tamp and tamp level without it going to one side, that can cause cracks in the puck and also pre infusion of a few seconds at 1 bar a then go to 6-9 bars

[@eljavo84]

Hi, want to know what manual coffee grinder do you recommend for the Flair Espresso?

[@9abe9]

The cheapest one that is very well reviewed on the espresso forums is the 1zpresso JX-Pro (it is spelled eezpresso). Other good options include: Comandante C40, Kinu M47, Orphan Espresso Lido

[@pantac4493]

@@9abe9 I like orphan espresso because they are a mom and pop. I bought the Pharos 2.0 it’s beefy and takes some strength if you don’t have something to hold it down like their bench dogs. I’ll eventually add a motor to it and it would be like having a $1000 plus grinder with its commercial burrs. Their smaller grinders are good too and probably easier but take longer time

[@jeytec]

I didn't quite understand how you broke your pressure gauge.. because you preheated it or because you didn't preheat it??

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Honestly not sure I think it was frozen when I was outside and I tried to use it while frozen

[@mrdaflyguy]

I have the signature pro 1. a bit gutted.i didn't know there was a pro2 or I wouldn't have bought it.i have a pro 1,do I need a pro 2 for better coffee. Also were do I buy replacement rings for pro 1 Have u ever needed to change them? Thanks

[@mrdaflyguy]

Nathan Cabeen ok thanks:)is that the new one with the spout?what is the spout for?so u have never replaced the I rings on the pro 1? I just wanted to buy a few so it's future proof,for example if a few years down the line there on the pro5 and no longer do o rings for older models

[@jasonyoung6420]

Now the tough question is do I buy a flair Pro 2, or do I look into a semi-automated machine with a built in boiler, increased maintenance for sure, but i can pull back to back shots quicker than the flair; guess I'll continue to contemplate...

[@danjunior7034]

Nathan- Can you elaborate on how pulling back to back shots compares on the flair vs semi-automatic machines? I'm also trying to decide between a low-end semi-automatic machines (Breville Infuser) and a manual machine. There seems to be more work with the flair (taking all the components apart). Would I be able to pull back to back shots for guests with the flair as quickly as the semi-automatic machines?

[@longfang98]

@@danjunior7034 If you plan to pull back to back shots on a regular basis with the Flair, a second basket and brew head is invaluable, pulling the portafilter apart without burning your fingers for the 2nd shot is finicky. With a semi automatic you just knock out the puck, rinse and wipe and you can get started on the next shot.

[@lovecommaalexx]

Any updated opinions on the Neo?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I have a few videos on the Neo! Check out my channel

[@TravisVanSluytman2]

It looks like the classic comes with the bottomless portafilter now. Is the only difference between the signature and classic now that the signature has the pressure bar and tamper? Would you still go for the signature?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Here is a recent update of this video hopefully it’ll help

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmHQp4eFhptmerc

[@rothar6501]

What do you think about the new flair neo.

[@Ma_Ba]

Flair releases are like i-phones!

[@ArbathSahadewa]

Excuse me, what grinder recommendation for Flair Pro 1?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

This would be a great one to start with. Electric grinders are expensive for espresso prima-coffee.com/equipment/knock/aergrind?aff=20&_

[@jogonbeaky]

Are you going to buy the new 58 on release?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Sure am!!

[@brandongaster]

Which seminary are you with? SEBTS?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

MBTS

[@pmccotter3532]

What seminary are you studying at? Or self teaching?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I just Finished a Masters of Arts in theological studies from Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in May. I am a full time Student and Young Adult Pastor. Have been for about 4 years

[@fareisafaree3142]

Is brewhead and screen for the pro 1 and pro 2 the same? I wanted to upgrade my pro 1 to pro 2. Means i just need to get pro 2 portafilter only?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

It’s pretty close. No need to upgrade that part

[@kdiggity1]

What if I only put 12 grams of coffee in the pro 2 basket which takes a minimum of 16 gram? Will I still be able to brew with the pro 2 or am I better with the the signature model?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I haven’t tried it out you might have problems tamping. If memory serve the basketry is slightly slopped at the bottom

[@danjunior7034]

Are you able to single shots (7-9 grams) on the pro 2?

[@rbmanb]

Did you find out? I just received a message from Flair, telling me that the classic/signature version should be better for a single espresso.

[@RegalRegex]

This was so dang helpful--I've really been on the fence about Flair since it's just *yet another large investment in coffee equipment*....but I just got a GOOD grinder and it really does feel like the best alternative to a full on espresso machine. Probably gonna go with the Pro 2! Just gotta settle on a color : ) Also I appreciate your book selection! Once again proving that folks who study religion really do have the best taste in coffee~ Cheers!

[@RegalRegex]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner oh absolutely don't you worry I"m very much on top of that! Free support for the guy who helped me decide is a very easy "heck yeah" from me

[@TuanAnhNguyen-ej3ug]

Hi cabeen. I bought a NEO newest version weeks ago. I want to buy Pro 2 Brewhead + portafilter. Can they fit my NEO? Thank you

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

No they will not

[@adityancandra9711]

What problems caused by the slope in porta filter pro 2?

[@longfang98]

It’s not flat on your work surface, makes it troublesome to tamp the coffee with the pro. The Pro 2 solves this with the lip so the bottom of the basket doesn’t come into contact with your work surface.

[@franzbernadez3125]

does the Flair Signature and Pro have the same kind lf pressure gauge? My flair signature's pressure gauge didnt come with a silicon o-ring and the only o-ring replacement available here are for pro and pro 2.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

The have the same gauge but different stems. Contact customer service

[@franzbernadez3125]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Thank you!

[@jakobw135]

It surprising that of all the modifications and upgrades flair made they did not change the composition of the plunger or the Piston from plastic to stainless steel.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

They did at one point. It caused a massive heat sink so they went away from it

[@jakobw135]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner That was a mistake to go back to the plastic plunger because it's not necessarily neutral when it comes to heat and therefore you may be getting some of the plastic components in your coffee.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

@@jakobw135 I bet you can find the stainless steel one somewhere

[@sheo001]

hey can you help, currently i have flair signature, if i want to upgrade to pro2 portafilter, should i buy both pressure gauge and tamper for pro2? or i can just use the signature?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

You will need both

[@sheo001]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner ah okay then, thanks for answering. and its a great video, thanks for sharing too

[@rhencylegaspi7120]

Hi! How many clicks on Timemore C2 or slim?

[@rhencylegaspi7120]

Nathan Cabeen thanks! But could the c2 work on the neo or classic when using medium-dark roast beans?

[@TalOrbach]

I actually want relatively smaller dosed shots. Is there still any real advantage to the Pro/Pro2?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

If you’re aiming for small shots go with the classic model

[@TalOrbach]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner thanks!

[@rouane20]

What is the best in the taste ? Between neo and classic

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

classic but it all depends on the grinder

[@McpCosmO]

hi. iam new in the zoo :) ive got me the flair signature. i use 16g grounds with 60ml water and end up having 38-40ml in the cup. is that an ok value?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

It is whatever tasted good to you! I typically go with a 1 to 2 ratio. 1 gram of coffee to 2 grams of liquid in the cup. with 16g of grounds I would aim for about 32 grams in the cup. But that is just my personal preference.

[@mrdaflyguy]

What is everything I need to make my pro in to a pro 2,is it better or not worth doing

[@mrdaflyguy]

Nathan Cabeen ok thank you:)I heard the pro to basket makes shots easier.one guy says it's a tougher pull making better crema.if it overall improves the shot I will buy one.do you think the gauge protector is needed?ive seen that also.thank you

[@mrdaflyguy]

Nathan Cabeen ok thank you:)

[@krystalyrivera6018]

Can you upgrade the brewer from signature to pro 2?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

If you flair came with a black plastic ring it is upgradable

[@josephkool8411]

Does the pro 2 make better tasting espresso than the classic with the pressure kit? The pro 2 costs $60 more. I think I'm gonna buy the classic with the pressure kit because I aint rich

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

I would say the pro 2 tastes better

[@josephkool8411]

Then the Pro 2 it is thank you 3C@@CabeensCoffeeCorner

[@AP-lh1bq]

Does the spout for the pro 2 turn it into a pressurized portafilter?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

No only the neo is a pressure portafilter but you’d also need the classic brew head. The pro would not work

[@AP-lh1bq]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Got it - thank you for the quick reply. So the spout is just for keeping thing neater.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

@@AP-lh1bq correct!

[@TheKMov]

So can you use pro 2 portafilter on pro 1?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

Correct!

[@gregolgratis]

What is the issue and the fix with the Pro 2 basket you are talking about?

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

The original issues is that the inside of the basket is slightly tapered. This causes and issues when tamping with a low dose. Until you plan on making espresso with less than 14grams there is no issue. Not sure if flair has resolved this but it isn't a problem for me.

[@gregolgratis]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner I was watching somewhere for an other machine that this was usually there to give extra pressure by reducing the surface area of the basket.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

@@gregolgratis are you referring to the flair neo

[@gregolgratis]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Maybe yes I don't remember exactly. I think it was James Hoffman who was talking about this feature.

[@gregolgratis]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner BTW I asked about it to the Flair creator on reddit before asking you here. I will see what he replies.

[@tompentoney16]

Can you buy the pro 1 anymore? I can't find it online.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

You cannot they changed it to the pro 2. The pro 2 is the same price that the pro 1 originally was though. The pro 2 is much nicer in my opinion

[@tompentoney16]

@@CabeensCoffeeCorner Thanks! I bought the pro 1 in chrome (used) for$210 and wanted to look up the original specs on it.

[@CabeensCoffeeCorner]

The spectacle should be the same. And that’s a good price! I’d recommend getting the pro 2 basket though. It’ll work the pro 1. That’s what I use