Flames of War Battle Report - Armored Rifles vs. Panzers

[@danielneal264]

Another great battle report. When those Panzer IVs bailed (instead of killing) 3/4 M10s and then they remounted, game was over.

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

So true, those M10s should have been so dead. That would have changed the dynamics of the battle hardcore!

[@tomwinkelspecht7796]

Brutal. Loved seeing the TDs holding the line.

[@zxcvbob]

I watched this 5 or 6 months ago. (you'll see that I previously commented on it) Watching it again, even tho' I haven't played much since then I have played a few games and watched a few, I understand much more what is going on. :thumbsup: American armored rifle platoon is one of my favorite units but I don't play them well. (yet) :) Thanks again for this.

[@tomdudley5314]

Great battle report as always, love the gutsy attack from Sean. I would consider using the 9th Panzer WC, it would save you loads of points since you have a lot of formation units which can be used to buy pioneer WC (overcome minefields), bolster your Gren Pls so they can lead assaults and maybe some recce to get you further forward. Lovely looking minis!

[@clokworkpig]

@21:43 I'm a bit confused - the German player couldn't have won the game because he needs to *begin* his turn with a team within 10cm of the Objective in order to be Holding it at the end of the turn.

[@tacfamily14]

Assaulting infantry with panzer IV’s was very dangerous! But he was lucky to cross the bocage with his panzer company 😮 Grenadiers weren’t well used I think... M10’s did their job, reserves confirmed US victory... Very nice battle report - as usual: the best on KZbin 👍🏻👍🏻

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Thanks for the comments!

[@CoinEaterBTBM]

30:49 the phone going off has the same ringtone as mine and made me think my phone went off while I was doing something. Dang you!

[@robertmoffitt1336]

Great battle report, super enjoyable to watch! 👍👍

[@samuelsammington3572]

love the FOW battle reports thanks dudes!

[@philRminiatures]

Lovely mat, terrain and armies (impressive collection of tanks!)...what's not to like, very nice looking game!

[@AlejandroRodriguez-li1gh]

34:42 panzer IV can't assault because he use blizt movement order. I don't understand why German player don't use cross here order to cross hedges in his first turn if he don't fire with the tanks or try use follow me order to move more with the tanks if he want assault quickly

[@jimjim292]

Work on your English.

[@AlejandroRodriguez-li1gh]

@@jimjim292 I'll work on whatever I want, smartass

[@My_Toy_Soldiers]

You know I'm here for this lads!

[@shadowywarrior]

I also have another question: At 20:27, the panzer 4 is assaulting into the woods. Doesn't it also need to make a cross check to check if it can even attack?

[@freshviolets]

Yes, it says so in the rulebook somewhere

[@scottwhitemyer5501]

enjoyed the battle report, good job enjoyed the report, learned several new rules thanks

[@philiphale2785]

Hi John, Great game as always, really enjoyed the narrative nature of the germans pushing hard, even in too the face of a stalwart defence due to pursuing Americans. I'll have to give this scenario a go. I appreciate Sean's aggressive play style and totally agree that it makes for a more exciting game. Some of the very best games of fow I've had were when both players went aggressive. Yes, it may not win you tournaments, but it sure as hell makes for a fun game. All the best.

[@rcspaintserviceandgaming]

The crashed Kûbelwagen - where did you get that?

[@Mdhneo007]

Poor German players, I honestly don’t know why they play any of these historical war games, but thank y’all for doing so. Allied players need players to win against. Always enjoy the batrep as always, thanks for posting.

[@nikolayperepelitsa4058]

Good game, love you videos. Also, nice slippers bro

[@guillaumemasson9731]

Great report, fair and fun, although luck at some point for the US (with good target priority) made the game. As I am painting a PzIV company, I will remember NEVER to assault infantry that has good anti-tank weapons ! Use Tigers for this. The german player really asked for it by attacking like 3 times with the same results (loosing more tanks than he removed infantry)... Love the terrain and the minis btw !

[@Mdhneo007]

Going German, that's gutsy. Rarely see them win on youtube replays, even in team yankee, lol. Best of Luck and good table top choice!

[@e-4airman124]

thank you

[@tylerk7017]

Hi, I just watched your video on making a FOW game table, it would help a lot if you did a tutorial on the homemade bocage and stone walls. :)

[@xgcskiman]

Im confused. @21:25 you show the Panzer IV as destroyed even though it was only bailed out during the assault. I am new to FoW, am I missing something?

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

That game was a long time ago but I believe it worked like this. The Panzer assaulted the infantry, was bailed out and the Germans could not counter attack so the Americans "won" the assault. The Germans have to fall back outside of 6" of the americans but the bailed out tank can't move so it's assumed as destroyed. Hope that helps!

[@xgcskiman]

@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall Thanks, I enjoy these videos. They are helping me learn the game.

[@zxcvbob]

If you move one stand or vehicle in a platoon (what's that called, a team?) does the entire platoon suffer a penalty for having moved? Logically, I would say no. We looked in the rule book last night and it appears they do so that's how we played. I'll have to find the page number. I see that come up several times on this video and it looks like only the ones that actually moved take a penalty.

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Hi, It really depends. things like Blitzs, when failed penalize the whole Unit (platoon). Shooting at your moving or halted rate of fire is determined on a team by team basis. See the shooting section under Roll to Hit --> How Many Dice.

[@deanmarquis4325]

How about Arm Rifles vs Arm Pzgrenadier

[@shadowywarrior]

Isn't there danger close rule take into effect? you can't fire artillery within 4 inches of a friendly team

[@soerenkepler]

Would have been better to move up the grenadier instead of babysitting the artillery. They would have helped alot in pushing the armoured rifles of the objectives, The table made the german angle of attack quite painful too, but nice and cinematic for a Falaise breakout attempt. Note to American: deploy in front of the objective when possible, and never ever leave your foxholes in a defensive battle. GG

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Thanks and good points. I did mess up the American deployment, and should have forward deployed.

[@johanmauritzson9149]

Never played with an armored rifle Platoon. But why didn’t you use the half-tracks?

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

in scenarios where they don't have to go anywhere it's safer to keep them out of the Tracks.

[@johnwayneeverett6263]

I HAVE DONE ONLY DONE NAPOLEONIC'S BUT I REALLY LIKE THIS THANKS FOR POSTING VERY INTERESTING ...REALLY IS.

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

thanks for checking us out!

[@bigrob555607]

Can the panzer IV's assault the infantry after shooting at a different target? Other than that really enjoyed especially after using a panzer IV company last game

[@My_Toy_Soldiers]

If they are within 8" of the unit they are going to assault yes

[@bigrob555607]

@@My_Toy_Soldiers just read the rule and yeah that's spot on. Is it right that the blitz move would stop them assaulting too ?

[@My_Toy_Soldiers]

@@bigrob555607 correct but they can do a follow me and still assault

[@bigrob555607]

@@My_Toy_Soldiers I will have to remember that for infantry in terrain. Thanks

[@obxsocom]

When the panzer 4 assaulted, was the American pinned?

[@camouflage_cat1973]

36:00 Your veteran shermans have a better tactics rating of 3+. So there was no need to use the reroll from the command card when you rolled for your blitz move, as you rolled a 3 the first time.

[@Datruth330]

Are those lights for work or do you own them. They make your table look even better, and it already looks amazing!

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Thanks! Those are my lights, I picked them up from Amazon many years ago I don't know if they still make them but there are many similar models available

[@Datruth330]

What are they called?

[@slimjim7411]

Fun to just go for a wing and prayer attack in a friendly game.

[@Bulten1973]

it looks amazing! fantastic terrain and love the fact that it really feels like small armies not a skirmish. but sadly the rules do not impress me. it is frustrating to see all misses and nothing happens results. maybe try a game where all units get +1 to hit?

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Well, you can play with Trained units, cheaper and hit on 3+ base.

[@xXDimistreoXx]

Fuckin table rollers omg get a box! Good game well played.

[@CJ_esc.artist]

Is this 4th edition?

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Sure is

[@chroniclerisiah5536]

As much as I love filmed batreps, showing every dice roll does come a bit tedious after a while 🙂. Maybe just turn summaries would suffice - with highlights of key parts. It would cut down the whole film into a more digestible time length. Just my opinion of course 👍👍

[@freshviolets]

So hedgerows can be fired through?

[@RockinL7BuckingBulls]

Commander Snow ,l believe as long as there right up to the hedge row.

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

technically, I believe in V4, if you are within 2" of it you can shoot through it, just like a wood.

[@freshviolets]

@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall Ok I'm just wondering because from some books I've read, the hedgerows in Normandy were feet thick dirt, reinforced with roots. Good to know, as hedgerows are a part of the beginning of Late War, as much as D-Day

[@RockinL7BuckingBulls]

I have been to Normandy and saw hedgerows that were blown up during the war as well as some that were never touched and are centuries old. You can’t see through a solid hedgerow unless you climb inside of it. In my opinion and in my games ,a tank has to be right up on the hedgerow as if pushing its barrel through it to fire through it. There definitely not like a wood. Google hedgerow and see.

[@Angry-Lynx]

Why u always shake left hand its so strange xd

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Right hand is holding the camera

[@sixtwentyeight8620]

Why was he always assaulting the infantry with his Pz IVs. Wouldn't have been better to just spray them for a few turns?

[@tabletopgeneralsde310]

That game was lost only by looking at the armylist and the deplyment, using the 10.5 and the PAK 40 in a Breakthrough Mission? Why not deploying the PAK 40 so that they can shoot at the reserves? Then why only these small Infantry Platoons? Marching right in the direction of a Minefield? I don`t blame Sean, but can't you help him out if he is new in the rules? Table is great, Armies too, but it is like leading someone to the battle bench.

[@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall]

Hello and thanks for watching and I appreciate the comments! We typically don't list build to a particular scenario. Sean knew he would be facing Armored Rifles but that was about it. Sean isn't new to the rules at all but is new to V4 late war. Regarding the Pak40 deployment we did talk about it during the game. You could deploy them to take on the reserves, but honestly this mission isn't won by destroying the Allied reserves, just taking the objective. As it was I think the Pak 40s were the only thing that actually killed allied Tanks, (1 M10 and a Sherman). I totally agree it was an uphill battle for the Germans but it did capture the flavor of the German Breakout from the Falaise Pocket. And, as it was, due to my wonky deployment Sean almost won on turn 2.

[@tabletopgeneralsde310]

@@AllMiniaturesGreatandSmall , it is fine that you don't optimize the lists, but they (PAK 40) still could worked out as a rearguard, because they can't take the objective. On the other hand in the Falaise Pocket there where some unit they make it out, by the cost of all heavy equipment. Btw John, i have seen it in many of your games, you mostly have the better list and are the more experienced player, which does not help to make these games exciting. It is also very significant that only your mistake in almost the victory has made possible.

[@memorarenz]

PZ IV is so cool

[@christophernix8003]

116th greyhound card is ok

[@vickyking3408]

well explained but I really dont like flames of war dont like to see tanks squashed together

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

Taking all your tanks in a virtual column down the centre of the map, not too clever, you ended up limiting your movement capability and left alot of your infantry exposed without any support. PZ IV's are troop support tanks.

[@mannschaftvonarschloch1214]

Love this but can't stand how many times terrain and dice strike the models. Many barrels were harmed during the production of this film.

[@e-4airman124]

I do not see how anyone could beat Jon with the way Jon rolled. Shawn perhaps had too much art. that did not help him at all.

[@MrRobbo3758]

So frustrating to watch. Static arty on breakout and attacking a dug in ARP with pz4 willy nilly. Cross here. Burger all those cross checks and mate, you can’t duel with m10 with pz4 . The only formation I can make work for Germans is pz grens. So I couldn’t have done much better ..keep rolling bud

[@philiphale2785]

I think the congested map due to mine fields and bocage hindered a complete push but thought the push on to the objective turn 2 was ballsy and could have won it. Ironically, it was Patton-esq!!