Großer Kurfürst - Ta(n)king On Russia

[@Flamuu]

I don't think this battle was in the history books. Anyone know what they were writing in chat? Also, if you watch Twitch WoWs streams, you'll now get free loot crates just for watching, sweet! Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Discord: discord.gg/Flamu Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz

[@hibikinyan7180]

Flamu so, firstly someone from the enemy team for whatever reason asks your cv to drop them. I guess its the Worchester, but I cant really see since I'm watching this on my phone. That would somewhat explain him throwing his planes away. Eventually someone asks for cv for help, and after being told he's empty starts badmouthing him. From there it escalates into throwing insults at each other, with nahui and all. Most of the messages come from this stuff. There is also some praise for you ^_^ nice work Btw, if you want that sort of thing I'd be fun to do, like, translate smth from russian for you if you need it. My discord name is same as here if you wanna talk.

[@АндрейЧернов-б1щ]

Kurfurst, you are my hero!

[@cainsharples3818]

I don't want to sound patronising, your a good player. But to get around priority target by locking onto ships with torps first, launch them, de-target them before moving on. This is so that players don't get that warning you mentioned. Any way great game!

[@xS27x]

(Posted as separate comment before I saw the question here so reposting as reply) Quick summary of Chat: 1)Enemy montana baiting the taiho to go strike him and teammates warning taiho not to take the bait (he claims he needs plane kills for mission, the teammate says it's bs and he does it every game) 2)taiho and the conq flame war with all the usual drama (conq saying taiho was useless, taiho that the conq couldnt even kill Worcester at a little over 10km... aaand then all the usual insults and report threats) 3)(my favorite) Worcester after FINALLY getting the deletion he deserved: "SERIOUSLY!?" 4) The zao saying the GK(flamu) is his hero now

[@mattolivier4369]

How to you hack you account, to get those amount of golds and credits

[@xS27x]

Quick summary of Chat: 1)Enemy montana baiting the taiho to go strike him and teammates warning taiho not to take the bait 2)taiho and the conq flame war with all the usual drama (conq saying taiho was useless, taiho that the conq couldnt even kill Worcester at a little over 10km... aaand then all the usual insults and report threats) 3)(my favorite) Worcester after FINALLY getting the deletion he deserved: "SERIOUSLY!?" 4) The zao saying the GK(flamu) is his hero now

[@FLUX.2226]

You're the real MVP

[@jayvee8502]

Grozovoi: "How can't I land a single torpedo on the biggest and most sluggish T10 BB?

[@Luna-ll8cw]

Everytime you talk about the Großer Kurfürst i am suprised of how accurate you can say the word. Congrats on that.

[@void3563]

Kurfurst

[@RabbidNugget]

Abeed Abeer nope it’s kurfürst

[@jojodivas9211]

RabbidNugget nope it’s CURRYWURST :D

[@pegzounet]

I find he has a weird way of saying großer bratwurst ^^

[@dabj9546]

It's actually not accurate at all...

[@filipkotlaja8697]

Love how i got recommended this 3 years later, apparently just as a reminder that it actually was a "thinking man's action game"... and the "hello hello" intro

[@kagakai7729]

Finnish man fights off entire Soviet Third Army with German-made shotgun, circa 1939, colourized (Woooo! They buffed German BBs!)

[@tramachi7027]

Simo Häyhä uses german Shotgun ^^

[@MidnightPhoenix07]

Uses German _island_ shotgun (because a gun that needs a train to carry it around clearly isn’t big enough)

[@jozseftoth8731]

Finnish BB line when?

[@MidnightPhoenix07]

József Tóth sometime later (tm), which occurs after soon (tm) but before never/here to stay (tm)

[@dabj9546]

*invades Russian server

[@FlamingZombie626]

Can confirm the shots on the Wor was authentic GK gameplay

[@philippott2784]

A very good BB game play - I learned a lot. I play the german BBs as well, and since the other day when I watched your video, it has helped me a lot surviving DD torps! This hinting with the indicator is great, as well as the tactics to stay back first, bait the enemy to torp me, and then use the tankiness later when enemy BBs or cruisers are brought down a bit. I still aim and shoot crap at smaller ships but watching your videos and how you aim also helped me to get citadels on BBs and cruisers sometimes now 3 times a game. Sometimes not, sometimes I get sunk first, but I think my surviving rate improved. Thank you a lot!

[@igulag]

This channel consistently displays great and detailed analysis such as this one. Of course I enjoy replays showing good game play but the added commentaries from Flamu enhance the experience by several notches. It is like watching a documentary (which is good of course ;) ). Well done!

[@lorex001]

excellent play flamu.....you managed so well those torpedoes and got a great sense of position against your enemy .....great captain

[@CoralPolyps]

Worcester players like that make it look like a balanced ship xD

[@lordroo8484]

Thats why I only switch to guns when I want to shoot something when Im sailing a DD. Normally I sail around in torp mode.

[@RedXlV]

There's always the option of trolling BBs while you wait for your torps to reload by switching back and forth. Or by switching between targets other than the one you're actually hunting.

[@mattmac4087]

I often do these things too, it sometimes seem to work but knowing Wows playerbase I know most BBs don't even care about their indicator OR they do not have Priority Target in the first place :p

[@RedXlV]

​@@mattmac4087 Priority Target is pretty much the most-taken 1 point skill, but I suspect most players don't even know that torpedoes aimed at you don't count toward the PT number. Hell, I sometimes forget that fact in the heat of battle myself.

[@alcel24]

@@RedXlV Useless in random. People don't watch it anyway.

[@Ian-u8s]

This and Des Moines are my two favorite types of videos. Love your stuff flamu. Also I believe it’s a lineman that you were behaving as whilst protecting the Tiaho. Linebackers are used offensively.

[@kenblack4802]

Actually Linebackers are on the defense in the NFL but I agree with your thoughts.

[@buckchesterfield8886]

Yes linebackers are on the defense but I think he meant that linebackers attack QBs not protect anything

[@Ian-u8s]

@@buckchesterfield8886 yeah linebackers are defensive I was absolutely asleep or something having written this

[@BIAWorldofWarships]

Who would win? almost four million axis soldiers or one winter boi?

[@MrX-un8cz]

*_Snowflakes_*

[@mishkata348]

The germans didnt lose because of the winter...

[@BIAWorldofWarships]

@@mishkata348 Have you opened a history book at all? Here, enjoy this: www.amazon.com/When-Titans-Clashed-Stopped-Studies/dp/0700621210. Winter was a huge factor in the eventual failure of Barbarossa, along with plenty of other things like the Kiev Operation that wasted about two months when Army Group Center could have been pushing east to Smolensk and Moscow.

[@n00btotale]

@@mishkata348 Attrition, was the main factor, but winter was one of the largest parts of their attrition, alongside their logistical issues and issues with tanks breaking just because they had to travel so far without trains.

[@ecognitio9605]

The Soviet Army. The winter myth is post world war 2 cold- war propaganda . Russian supply lines and troops were also suffering from the winter so i'ts no excuse, the cold doesn't pick sides.

[@shayagrossman6210]

2:10 laughs in kremlin 7 months later in 8.5

[@Blarggnugget]

first, love the video. great work on explaining your methods as i love my gk and want to be better at playing her. second, i would like to start a petition to change gk's 4x2 150mm to 6x2 210mm (york guns, they would look better on her giant hull and also for the lulz) or at least 6x2 150. also a main gun option of 8x2 482 or 508, since that was in the gk's class original design. help a brother out.

[@m_swizzy22]

Man the multitask factor is simply legendary, love your vids, can’t wait to get a good pc so i can get back into WoWS... gotta dust off all my tier Xs

[@Frank_2023]

I run a sec build, 11.6km range is awesome, Thanks for the vid Flam

[@TheJuan72]

enemy Essex shot down 30 planes while Taiho only 10

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Oh god this is just a repeat of the Neptune Incident on stream!

[@NewDemocraticMan]

Flamu, I love your reviews and balanced, professional view of this game that I love (and suck at,) so much. That said, if I'm EVER in a DD, and I see one of your accounts in a BB... I'm coming for you with torps always ready unless I'm actively firing at you. See if I can't steal that advantage you like from the priority target skill ;)

[@belladesa91]

Love this beast, got me to rank 1 last season with a 58% WR ❤️

[@grahammaxwell2112]

what a beautiful ship

[@squatin4479]

No secondaries, I guess they never miss, huh

[@gray666machine]

Cheers Flamu. My favourite BB !

[@steelwarrior105]

Offensive tackle is the position you are emulating

[@JRBizzle01]

I feel you on the over pens, I get that every single game, I see all these great BB players raking up some nice damage and all i get is over pens or under pens, it's maddening haha I still run that german berzerker build you featured ages ago for the scharn captain who I use on daddy Großer.

[@cobrazax]

thats why i dont switch from guns to torps and then guns when i want to torp...i either stay with the torps for a long time, or switch between them a lot to confuse the enemy just in case he has PT

[@supravlieg]

Flamu taught me to not switch between guns and torps but keep torps selected so enemies can't tell when I launch torps.

[@Noxide99]

Flamu , yesterday I was watching your kurfust videos posted 2 years ago....

[@buckchesterfield8886]

That really was a virtuoso performance, even for flamu

[@000NULL]

Yeah those overpens are really frequent though. Been getting really low damage in my GKF

[@sambalzone94]

Had that same hilarious spotting with yamato. All thanks to whole team in my flank died and leaving me to tank 5 ships for the rest of the game. I think it's 100k iirc. Good thing enemy throws hard too

[@mightychicken7774]

I miss the days when we had such a small number of ships and the GK wasn't a terrible ship. Ya know, when the game was actually good. Well... rather better than it has turned out to be. It is so hard for me to willingly play it anymore... I truly wish I knew what happened and who was to blame for it.

[@TheLesserWeevil]

I like having the situational guns on the Grosser. No truly right or wrong choice. More ships should have options like that, instead of clear "this is always better than that" options.

[@johnparrish9215]

I just saw a video about the new Soviet BB line. They didn't mention tier 10 but I imagine it will have 150Kl health, 460mm Mass Drivers with laser accuracy and particle beam weapons for secondaries. They might as well call it Putin's Pecker...............lol

[@Sockan256]

The one and only Großer Currywurst. I stopped at Bismarck even though i truly love the look of these german bbs. Should probably get that Currywurst at some point in time.

[@gummi1360]

Better be quick else when more he cruiset added hoho

[@bairdrew]

>bounces and overpens Kurfurst confirmed for British AP

[@maxterhex]

Добро пожаловать на СНГ сервер! [Dobro pozhalovat' na SNG server] (Welcome to CIS server!)

[@LoLMasterManiac]

Hello fellow cis-gender bro!

[@bushyfromoz8834]

Those first 3 salvos the Worcester is like ever salvo in the Roma since last patch. I smashed a Yamato broadside from 9km a few days ago, register 7 over pens and 2 shatters..... how is that possible? And to rub insult to injury, a Minotaur hit my superstructure while I was angled and did just as much damage

[@alextonev3017]

Am i an idiot or did the kurfurs have 4 dobble barrel guns istead of 4 triple ones???

[@ladion7285]

This video does kind of tell us a story.

[@KnodsilMemeMaker]

You dont like the legendary module? I love. It rarely need more then 19km cause I am always very close the the action. And you still have a spotter plane in the case that you do need it. But even then, at long range (20km+) the guns arent reliable enough anyway

[@Mcnoobguy]

Knodsil GK’s gums aren’t even reliable at 12 km

[@Neoprimal]

Never seen people utilise Priority Target like you did against that Grozovoi, Using it to predict Torps.

[@hetzhornchen7319]

kurfürst needs secondary built, its his strength

[@piotrlitwic5935]

Basics of survivability instead of vigilance? When did it stop being an overkill? (joke) :) thx for the video. Btw. Mind if I ask you to make a video about how Nagato stands in current meta, with more BB's of the same tier and HE secondaries? Plus updated build would be nice, but I bet it will be exactly the same as Nelson.

[@NewDemocraticMan]

Hey, actually have a request. Spent some trinkgeld on a santa package, got a Monaghan. Strange little ship. As with most ships I get, first thing I searched was 'Flamu monaghan.' Nothing came up! Have you reviewed this ship? If not, could you? Thanks in advance, regardless of the outcome!

[@alemon9727]

This ship is so beautiful

[@hvymtal8566]

US Cruiser players be like "Why can't my cockbote do that?"

[@henripihala9267]

Hay! Did they change something about IFHE? It seems I cannot select IFHE as captain skill for Kurfurst anymore…???

[@IsKor06]

Thanks for this. I really struggle to get good games with with huge steel beast...

[@christophpoll784]

Nice commentary flamu. I play the GK quite a lot and I have the legendary module aleready. Together with the small guns you have 24.2s reload, but only 19km range. But it works in combination with spotter plane. After the first use you are usually quite close anyway. Combined with the full secondary build it can be a very annoying enemy. I play it this way, because I see a lot of players playing the GK for long range. But that somehow does not work because of that dispERRRRRRsion. Can you check that build? Does need good positioning, but works fine for me.

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

I use the module aswell but with 420's (personal preference) and with my tank + secondary build I take a very hull down position say between 2 caps with an island in front or likewise and while I dont sit at 19 or 18km I keep my distance and preserve HP until there is a weakness in the enemy teams positions where I push trough and slam them when they're vulnerable and my tankyness keeps me alive long enough to do massive damage to them. By the way the reason many players do long range with the GK is that her armor literally renders ALL AP abselutely useless because they loose enough pen and you have enough time to angle that your bow armor can shatter it. Just never show broadside since GK has the thinnest lower belt of all tier 10 bb's

[@blaxai6485]

How do you get to show the angles of the guns inside the little circles??

[@S939-n3e]

If one has manual secondaries and targets at ship on the left, will those on the right side fire at ships to the left (firing at 2 ships at once)??

[@frankvc5899]

Aside from the tankiness, is there any good about Kurfürst now? I feel that it pays a lot for the turtleback, which is good only at brawl ranges, hydro and......what else? Really o don’t know how to feel about the Kurfürst being the E100 of the sea She just eats damage and has unreliable guns, meh to terrible maneuverability despite the decent speed and all other things Also, I hate how the meta forces every single BB to go the same build I really hate that

[@Conqueror933]

i could listen to this guy trying to pronounce the german names for hours, its so funny

[@dailyisdead]

mm is pretty rough huh? just casually watching this video while getting a match in my tirpitz 1 IX and me the only VIII rest X XD now thats a rough mm...

[@petiertje]

First 1:30 minutes, that's about my BB 'life' in a nutshell with this game.

[@andreasmuller4666]

COrrect me if i´m wrong but if you follow Farazeleth he said that the KF is pretty much immune to AP bomb citadel. (got bombed often by those myself and ate a lot of pendmg but no citadels)

[@shinsekai101]

Yes it is true. Lots of normal pen but no cits. Tried it in trakning room. Although it was lexington's ap bomb but i doubt it would change result significantly

[@andreasmuller4666]

@@shinsekai101 the AP bombs don´t change as far as i know. The planes get faster, more tanky and all but the bpmb is the same.

[@irfanefatenight8816]

it is, I'd once ate 3 squads of GZ APDB and only lost about 30% of my HP

[@EternalGaming786]

That Worchester player probably got premium ships from free santa gifts/black friday boxes and won many lotteries in real life, that person has so many luck it's oozing. :3

[@Rotschwinge]

perfect example if you can't finish or punish someone enough who aggressively tried to get killed, comes always back to hunt you on the top of the score board (just like this worcester).

[@PPLAYZ1]

Deutscher Stahl !!! (German Steel)

[@toothpick8858]

im getting close to the t8 of this line. i actually like this BB line. maybe even this might be a firt t10

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

I have to be honest. Ive found great joy with my GK, its only a pain when your captain is new so yah.

[@toothpick8858]

@@spinekingjrgensen5779 got a lvl 12 captain on my t7. So thats not a problen

[@Chucky925]

Flamu you are the man!!!!!!🚢

[@numberpirate]

Offensive lineman. Trying to protect Taiho(quarterback).

[@craigw3872]

Just one of those game that you just won't get any citadels lol

[@1A9n8d5e]

Can you do Lion video somepoint?

[@sullun2241]

Can you review one of the last russian DDs ? one of the khaba line

[@McLoven-vm1ck]

USN CL's are made of ether, my shells always pass right through them.

[@tivook]

Any particular reason why u chose the 420mm guns? You Always said the 406 are just as good.

[@thecolortwelve3784]

More offensive lineman than linebacker

[@fanatik2134]

Great round

[@jelli4562]

I gave a GK yesterday a cit with my Yamato,don't know how I did that

[@TheSaberra]

It's rare but it happens, I've even citadelled Conquerors. You need a ton of luck tho with hitting the right pixel when waterline is slightly lower than usual.

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

At 24 km a Republique can citadel a GK. I did it yesterday twice on one.

[@jelli4562]

@@spinekingjrgensen5779 I think it's the tiny deck armor

[@jelli4562]

@@spinekingjrgensen5779 because I shot him also from 20km 🤔

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

@@jelli4562 I think the AP shells just slip under the turtleback and while they loose a lot of penetration when they hit the water the shell completely avoids the belt and turtleback and hits tge citadel with enough pen to enter it..

[@derdome1702]

Flamu what do u think of the special German captain from the arsenal and for what line would u use it?

[@Benzo7]

Use a full secondary build REEEEEEEEEEEE

[@Scarloc17]

Aka the most useless build in T10 meta

[@nnnn11112]

​@@BugattiONE666 Secondaries are worthless because: No consistent damage. Usually terrible pen. Usually knocked out fast anyway. Without tanking you're going to die because welcome to T10 HE IFHE meme spam meta. Needs way to many fucking captain points that doesn't help anyone. Aim's for citadel which means even though German secondaries have a good penetration they're absolutely fucking worthless and shatter on full broadsides. Cant hit shit even with manual secondaries.

[@belladesa91]

U didn't play ranked for sure otherwise u would be eaten alive by Wooster He spam

[@cobrazax]

@@nnnn11112 i agree...but some secondary addons are useful such as AFT and range upgrade. even without manual they hit about 10% of the time, sometimes more or less depends on target size. fire chance is useful, as well as dmg vs weaker ships. accuracy will make them hit other parts of ship that are NOT citadel more often. going full secondary is a total waste as u lose a LOT of captain points AND a major firepower boosting upgrade, not to mention the need to target every ship manually AND u wont be able to use both side secondary guns. so adding a minor invenstment for secondary focused ships can be worth it...just dont rely on it. also the fear factor is significant when enemies get close, especially for DDs who really dont like it.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

- Maybe use auxiliary mod 1 - Pens cruiser plating with IFHE at medium range - With manual, hits roughly half shots - Shreds DDs

[@squatin4479]

What kind of build goes on the Bismarck/F. de Grosse then? do they have the same kind of tankiness, or is it more beneficial to invest in secondaries.

[@aquila3958]

no full manual secondary build? what?

[@nelsoncheng2674]

Awesome vid!

[@IronPriestCsGo]

I dont know how, but in my last CW i managed it to citadel a GK with my GK nose to nose on 14km

[@prosnax631]

ROFL that wooster is really a pest no more RNG for you boi!

[@AreiaMercurius]

After i get the yamato i want to get großer kurfürst

[@bernardo0330]

Do the bismarck next man, a lot has changed since the last you did it

[@donaldwrightson]

Put the team list up!

[@Mr_Mgun]

I have cit'd a GK with a republic before, it can be done.

[@Sarsol1989]

Has to be long range. At that range turtleback kicks in and its pretty much impossible to cit GK.

[@shahinjogi5228]

#realcommunitycontributor Thanks as always.

[@mangoeisteegamer9351]

Love the NFL reference

[@mistysowards7365]

Bravo!!!!!

[@ofi1238]

Any players here uses full secondary build with IFHE like me?

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

I have 2 captains for my GK. 1 is a competetive tank build, the other is a full sec with IFHE.

[@bidzej86]

No secondary build on a German tanking BB?

[@patricko2853]

lol no citadels on first volley is very regular. for my rng at least

[@Vitan89]

Tankfurst

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Hey Flamu, sometimes you could be less vague about what you want to communicate. For example, at 14:38 you ping your shima, then offer no explanation.

[@Elgar7022]

He's playing on the Russian server, and he doesn't speak Russian. Pinging is all he can do. And really at T10 you should be able to understand pinging.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Well the maybe ping where you want them to move or something.

[@Elgar7022]

@@randomguy-tg7oke almost always does. Must not have gone through this time around.

[@julianphilipp4481]

I played the kurfürst on the testserver and its fuking amazing

[@mikegrant8031]

i noticed you were not selecting your secondary targets?

[@pechio4567]

Hi! I have 4 last points to spend on my GK captain and I don't know if basics of survivability is really worth it. On top of the module and the flag, it reduces the damage taken by a single full duration fire by 1900 circa. Do you think that is worth 3 points? I also consider that the perk reduces the time of me being spotted 3 km further because of fires by 6 seconds

[@yoricktenbrinke3744]

You saw yesterday's stream with the Missouri?

[@yoricktenbrinke3744]

Vigilance is ur answer lmao

[@pechio4567]

@@yoricktenbrinke3744 no, unfortunately I didn't...

[@pechio4567]

@@yoricktenbrinke3744 I've always thought that hydro gives enough safety against torpedoes when it is needed, and I personally don't feel the need to run vigilance on top, but I understand your point

[@joelreis5366]

It is worth it. Wait, let me say again, it is very worth it. Sec... Ill have to repeat again: It is very much worth it. I have tank build on Yamato with BoS and i only repair double fires if im below 50% hp. Using flag, BoS and the fire reduction module, my fires last 33 or 34 seconds. Its really great if you like to tank for your team.

[@_VXI]

Linebacker? You probably meant lineman. But....oh nevermind. Good commentary.

[@RPGTKingpin]

The rest of the world can't be expected to know the terminology for America's fake football :P

[@sussinhardrn1048]

@@RPGTKingpin fake?

[@RPGTKingpin]

Rowdy Jackson Football involves a foot and a ball. Not a hand and an egg :P You might be more familiar with it under the term 'soccer'. Maybe.

[@sussinhardrn1048]

@@RPGTKingpin Yeah, no I don't get what is fake about it though. It's very real, played all the time, and it is called football. Soccer is also football. Im not sure whats fake lmao

[@RPGTKingpin]

@@sussinhardrn1048 It was a joke. Butchered now, but yeah. It was referring to the fact that American football is not an internationally played sport. The more widely recognised, and thus 'real' football is what you know as soccer.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

You're playing a GK. The manliest BB there is. *_PLEASE_* tell me you don't have Concealment Expert on it...

[@Sarsol1989]

You run concealment expert on All BBs

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Really? Even on a secondary build? Even on a main gun build I prefer fire prevention.

[@Sarsol1989]

@@randomguy-tg7ok Well if you are doing Full secondary build, you probably drop it since you need a lot of perks at 4 tier level. Secondary builds in general tend to be inferior, fun and meme-worthy, but inferior.

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

Well then I'll do the meme build.

[@spinekingjrgensen5779]

The concealment is so you're able to choose your figths. Altough personally I have a full tank build with AFT on top.

[@ClawGr]

for the milionth time.. The AP bombs dont citadel GK... so you are safe

[@mattmac4087]

IMO 420s are more spicy option, even tho their DPM is worse on paper. The increased pen makes difference.

[@TheKnownPlayer]

Ah da, the only ship that makes profit not from actual battles, but from selling those "CQB expert" flags...

[@mazgazine1]

That Grozovoi was crap, he couldnt tell you were not running secondaries build... The moment your guns were aimed at the moskva I would have charged, in ANY DD, cuz your can't dodge torps when they are 2km away...

[@FB-yj5hy]

mazgazine1 he could have simply gunboated Flamu: Grozovoi guns are extremely good.