Flareon’s Weird Use in Gen 3 OU.

[@jimothycool]

Why Moltres is Finally Good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqrEhJlrhb-tqsk

[@tomkarate1]

I honestly think gamefreak should just switch flereon's special attack and speed. Make its speed base 95. And also hive it more physical attacking options like stomping tantrum.

[@mrtrollnator123]

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[@QPoily]

Flareon's attack stat surprises me every time I see it. Mf's got the same attack stat as Machamp, Ho-Oh, Urshifu, and a few more notable mon. So much force contained in such a fluffy boi/girl.

[@santiagoarro1198]

Same as fcking garchomp too lol

[@GardeniaCreations]

And he has nothing to do with it! Prime example of stats having potential, but the moves being more than lacking

[@borby4584]

@@GardeniaCreationsit’s like that form of Super Saiyan Trunks used against Perfect Cell: lots of raw power, but too slow to actually hit anygg tbh but with it

[@GardeniaCreations]

@@borby4584 That, and Flareon doesn't have any coverage. You get Bite, Takedown/Body Slam, Double Kick, Trailblaze, and Dig as your best non-fire moves. Actually, this is pretty much it for physical coverage, unless you're looking at weaker normal moves, or niche picks like Facade or Last Resort.

[@somebodyuknow2507]

@@GardeniaCreationsFacade with guts toxic orb is a thing right?

[@imn_fauler6098]

The one problem flareon had until gen 6, is that the strongest physical fire type atack jt could learn fire fang, in gen 6 it could learn flare blitz but power creep catched it already and also it has almost no coverage moves

[@LonesomeDevil]

Not just that... Its low HP stat means it can't spam Flare Blitz as much as it would like anyway. It gets overwhelmed by the recoil damage very quickly.

[@StarfieldDisarray]

Flareon also, ironically, doesn't have the stat line to use Flare Blitz in the first place.

[@460u57]

The funnier thing is that it got nerfed in gen 9. It lost superpower. Superpower was one of its main coverage

[@the_mars_bar]

Funnily enough, Flareon can learn Temper Flare in The Indigo Disc… but that’s still not helping the little guy…

[@foreversevenfold1666]

Babe wake up, the new Jimothy video explaining a random shit mon's hyper specific but very effective niche in gen 3 OU just dropped

[@Asidders]

They are my favourite lately stuff on KZbin lately 🤣

[@haslittle8078]

I've always thought that the 130 stat should have been in Defense on Flareon. Fire is special in Gen1, and Flareon barely has anything that even uses attack. Whereas if it had 130Def/110SpD it could have been a serious defensive asset.

[@calamorta]

That HP is too low for it to be a defensive mon anyway, but yeah, with that speed, that attack stat is almost useless. Or maybe not. Idk. It could even be a good wall, but then it would have barely any attack. It would need to have more moves maybe.

[@oscara1573]

Nah it should have 95 speed, 130 atk or spatk

[@eh6578]

The eevees have almost always been held back by movepool

[@joeschmoe5063]

Just swapping that special def with its speed woukd have made a world of a difference. 110 speed with 130 attack would have allowed it to be a better offensive threat and actually hit things before getting hit.

[@FenixMisogino]

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[@neptuniamarina4924]

Honestly, each Eeveelution only has two abilities, Meaning that they all can be buffed with a great ability in that second, not hidden slot. I nominate Fluffy as Flareons new second ability. that would be a huge defensive boon for it

[@LonesomeDevil]

Honestly a very interesting buff that would serve to indirectly make Flash Fire viable again as well. Since Fluffy would make Flareon neutral to Fire moves, people would second-guess themselves and possibly avoid Fire moves anyway just in case it could be Flash Fire as a mix-up. Which would give Fluffy almost no drawbacks until the opponent has figured out what ability Flareon has. Obviously wouldn't make Flareon OU-material or anything, but it would give it something unique over other physical-attacking or tanky Fire types. And I'm all in favor of unique niches.

[@kadabraguy9846]

Fluffy would be a really cool ability. I've always felt that Adaptability should be the Eeveelutions' second ability since all they have is STAB moves anyways lol

[@QuasarBuasarEeveeTheUziFan]

Fur Coat :)

[@opposumness3107]

Used my Flareon in Leafgreen playthrough, and it's high Sp.Def and acces to Shadow Ball and Quick Attack, just made it the Bane offer Psychic Types. Prior to Gen4, at least it had a powerful Shadow Ball with it's 130 Base Attack Stat...

[@tilt9808]

This channel has fostered in me a new obsession with gen 3, guess it makes sense as someone who plays both melee and Pokémon that I'd be I'd be into the melee of Pokémon

[@abominationdesolation8322]

It's remarkable how satisfying Gen 3 metagame is. The pre-split types being bound to attack or sp. atk just sort of "work" and a thriving ecosystem has emerged because of it. And now that it's been a few years, people are looking back and seeing new uses for previously useless PKMN.

[@tilt9808]

@@abominationdesolation8322 yup and I'm still here labbing fox approaches

[@Shteeeeeeeve]

I don't understand how you pump these videos out so quickly. You're a machine.

[@videogames429]

I just found your videos and they remind me of when i used to play PokeMMO competitively back in early 2010s which ran all on Gen 3 rules. There was an OU tourny and since the game had its own meta game due to certain mons just not being available I was able to bring a flareon and shock the competition for a win in the final round. No one was dumb enough to bring a flareon but a brave Flareon was just enough to get me out a win

[@ababyharpseal6534]

It warms my heart to know that my favourite Pokémon was actually competitively useful at least once in its life.

[@jaxthedragonslayer2847]

Aye another flareon fan 😃

[@thebestworst8002]

I’d love for you to talk about umbreon. I’ve been using a wish baton pass set that is used like wishport clefable in early gen 8 OU and in a metagame not revolving around switching moves, it’s actually pretty good. Being able to get free switches into dugtrio makes you remember why it’s banned in every other gen and easy wish heals is great in a metagame with so many defensive Pokémon without 50% recovery moves

[@DoctorThundah]

Gotta say, something I love about gen 3 OU is how so many otherwise-bad pokemon find a way to work in this format. You don't get that with any other format.

[@JameShark_]

If I remember correctly, Flareon actually had a super tiny niche in early Gen8. If my memory is correct on the reason, thanks to its high SpDef, and Fire Typing, and Heavy Duty Boots, it was a Pokemon that could be used to help handle opposing Clefable during the pre Pokemon Home meta.

[@theflaminggroundon632]

Do ya remember the moveset for flareon?

[@JameShark_]

@@theflaminggroundon632 I unfortunately do not remember, however, in trying to find the move set, I did find the forum page, and it mentioned that Flareon was used to answer Life Orb Clefable while being a Wish passer that wasn’t as passive. If it wasn’t passive as a Wish passer, Flare Blitz and Will-O-Wisp probably was used, and I assume Protect was using to pair with Wish to heal itself.

[@DaakkuuYRS]

Give the credit for Flareon for one thing at least. Out of all the Eeveelutions he has the best design for good warming plushie.

[@morganmr6582]

Will Poltchageist go rogue and join Iron Mugulus? The all new “Iron Chugulus” may become a bigger threat than we thought 😳😳😳

[@PokeMaster22222]

I have a soft spot for Guts Flareon, myself. Sure, it's still not great in proper competitive due to mediocre Speed, but I still like using him in-game.

[@weegee011]

I wish Flareon had been more of a physical foil to Jolteon. Keeping the 130 physical attack but having 110 speed would make it significantly more useful

[@weegee011]

@@glurpious73 true, I had a brain fart

[@Maggotbone]

I love in-depth analysis of competitive pokémon that accounts for multiple parts of the metagame in explicit detail and doesn't just categorize things into oversimplified perspectives with attractive names coined solely for content. That's why in the Jimothy Theorem-

[@RichardBlaziken]

The fluffy rabbit does a wish and wins over the hearts of millions

[@BiffTheBanana]

Flareon used to be my favourite eeveelution until I found Vaporeon... So anyway I have been cursed

[@Nmoment-uv6jc]

Pour holy water into the next vaporeon you find

[@theschnozzler]

​@@Nmoment-uv6jcyeah I'll pour my "holy" water inside a vaporeon

[@TheRedStinger82]

This video made me smile

[@JAP124]

​@@TheRedStinger82this comment made me cry

[@TheRedStinger82]

@@JAP124 I mean that the fact that my boy is finally getting the respect it deserves

[@davidacus956]

I like the evolution of the qualities of the end screen, first being "funny", then "excellent". Now it gets to enjoy the best of both worlds

[@kevinfigueroa5444]

You post right when I wake up, it’s such a nice start to my day seeing your videos. Excited for more!

[@bakurasensei]

This channel is awesome, I love hearing about objectively crappy mons having a cool niche. Gives me team ideas too lol

[@imaxchau7706]

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of human companionship, Flareon is objectively the most huggable Pokemon? While their maximum temperature is likely too much for most, they are capable of controlling it, so they can set themselves to the perfect temperature for you. Along with that, they have a lot of fluff, making them undeniably incredibly soft to touch. But that's not all, they have a very respectable special defense stat of 110, which means that they are likely very calm and resistant to emotional damage. Because of this, if you have a bad day, you can vent to it while hugging it, and it won't mind. It can make itself even more endearing with moves like Charm and Baby Doll Eyes, ensuring that you never have a prolonged bout of depression ever again.

[@cactu]

Wow that's so wholesome and well written. Could you write something similar for the other eeveelutions, like Vaporeon perhaps.

[@erm_5557]

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[@jaxthedragonslayer2847]

@@cactuthis is an old Reddit post, I know this cause I’m a flareon fan haha

[@vyor8837]

​@@jaxthedragonslayer2847he knows

[@oreosc]

Love how the game that inspired this video has flareon not even able to use a move and just get critted and flinched 💀

[@nonplayercharacter12333]

Theory crafted a Sassy Nature Flareon with Max HP and Special Defense. - Curse - Wish - Flamethrower - Body Slam The theory is for Flareon to bulk itself up, stay alive with Wish and spread burns/paralysis. Best niche I can think of.

[@jaketerpening3284]

I can't see this ever working. Even at +2 it still is 2HKO by Tyranitar and Aerodactyl who can both switch into it easily and are very popular. And it really won't ever find the time to use curse. I think the set listed in the video has more merit, as it can come in on a pokemon that it threatens, and then try to hit a switch in with toxic or flamethrower if it's a steel type, or just get a wish off so the next switch can come in more easily.

[@nonplayercharacter12333]

​@@jaketerpening3284Didn't think so. That set came the very bottom of the barrell. Just for Flareon to do 'something' on a team besides its best.

[@Matt-qk8yf]

Next video: why my cousin Greg has a unique niche in gen 3 OU

[@DinkyKnag]

My favorite eveelution from the original three is vaporeon, due to its high compatibility with my love of water and swimming hobbies, as well as its huggability and ease of transport as it is able to meld with most bodies of water, including more portable forms like bottles or jugs

[@vinsanity3510]

Fake gameplay has to be #1 on showdown by now

[@l00ps_49]

I beg you to make more Gen 3 OU videos, i got into it because of your videos and its been lots of fun

[@ellieporter3270]

I’ve always thought a physical attack that burns would be interesting. For most mons, it would be emergency coverage/an emergency nuke, but it could be very dangerous if given to a guts pokemon that needs help, like Flareon.

[@theflaminggroundon632]

Feels weird that Flareon has Guts, just feels so off without being burned, but that could just be me and not resorting to the others like poison or confusion etc

[@T4N7]

Vampire on is defs my fav of the original 3 but Flareon was the one that ended up being on my gen 6 singles team to cover fire arms aimed at either my Excadrill or my Whimsicott. It ran Wish, Heal Bell, Flare Blitz, n Toxic (so my other Wish Passer, Alomamola, could have room for both Scald n Aqua Jet)

[@chucklestoo7284]

I started watching this video 8 seconds after came out

[@jimothycool]

This is insane.

[@udc8453]

Thats absolutely crazy

[@cmck362]

Fun fact. In gen 1 flareon has the second highest special stat on a fire type right behind moltres and is tied for 14th overall. It also is tied for the second highest attack in the game just 4 points behind dragonite. People say flareon is the worst of the first 3 eeveelutions, but at least for gen 1 I think it gets an unfair reputation caused by gen 2+.

[@natnew32]

Its special stat in gen 1 was 110. That's high by gen 1 standards, and would've still been considered high for a while... but it's only 95 in gen 2 onwards.

[@juggerdarknaut013]

Can you talk about siczors role in gen 2-3 I'm very curious how it was back then

[@theschnozzler]

Good idea

[@abominationdesolation8322]

If you switch Flareon into a Charizard's fire attack, activating Flash Fire, then I'd probably just chuck a FF boosted Fire Blast at whatever is sent out next. In the case of that Dugtrio it would have OHKO'd. :L It's not like the opponent is going to have a second fire type, with flash fire, to eat your move. Maybe you end up burning a Swampert, idk. They're unlikely to keep Charizard in the game and they probably aren't expecting you to choose Fire Blast while their Charizard is out; especially considering Flareon's forte is physical damage. Sadly Dugtrio doesn't mind eating a toxic since it relies on hit and run tactics; it doesn't usually try to slug it out for multiple hits. Toxic is still a great choice though since almost no one is going to switch a steel type into Flareon; maybe a poison type if it's a low tier game (certainly not OU).

[@rayyaninspookymonth1630]

Those sprites are killer btw 😳

[@SkorBn]

Flareon would've been better if they gave it quick feet and lowered its attack by like 20 points. Instead they gave the ability to Jolteon

[@enricobersani8948]

Would be really funny if this thing had fluffy, not fur coat, fluffy

[@gz7006]

ADV OU players when a mon has a fringe use case that appears once every 10k matches:

[@MrShadowThief]

The end screen is finally funny again.

[@Gold-Dango]

Thats why there is the flareon theorem, where it has a pretty decent movepool, but its stats, typing and even ability are just too much for even its good utility movepool to even work. Edit: Forgot it doesn't have flare blitz, so that's why it's called the Flareon theorem, but still it's probably why it still couldn't make it

[@aqualucasYT]

That’s pretty cool Jimothy

[@theflaminggroundon632]

Flareon is such a cool eeveelution, highest stat with its power and a decent sp attack, kind of reminds me of a flightless Ho-Oh, but slower. Maybe could be use for trick room, but not quite sure on its moveset though. I do hope it gains gets more into the spotlight though, flareon for the win!!

[@BETTER.THANYOU.]

I like facade flareon on the gba it always tear through team 🔥🐶

[@bretterry8356]

Jolteon is king. That speed.

[@AFROKAH]

Flareon still gets the dub for cutest fully evolved fire type

[@oppositeofitself8444]

Hey, the end screen is funny again :D Loving the Gen 3 content, by the way

[@shignificent]

Thank you, Jim-- very cool!

[@villadsk8]

Yuup keep the gen 3 vids coming!!

[@AlexDaDuck]

OLD OUTRO AHHHHH ❤❤

[@duplexspy9731]

Flower Gift would be a perfect ability for Flareon when I think about it

[@theflaminggroundon632]

Or solar powered too, special attack boosts on flareon would do nice

[@MrJohnReviews]

Ah yes Flareon it invented the Rampardos Theorem before the Rampardos Theorem was even a thing.

[@hinney827]

I've always been a big fan of Flareon's aesthetic and have always wished it was better. At least it can finally use Flare Blitz now. Jolteon has been my #1 Eeveelution forever, though, and one of my favorite Pokemon in general.

[@chess_fella]

What are your thoughts on the Pokémon Lickitung?

[@8BitFun]

The Iron Mugulus lore is the real reason we all subscribed, I think

[@shevankaseneviratne1724]

flareon is actually quite good! Like regice its a special wall that threatens skarm and celebi. Plus flamethrower and toxic is always nice!

[@hinkage]

Whenever I hear " has a viable niche" I assume it's going to be gen 3. At this point I think gen 3 is the most balanced gen.

[@Pyrobaconstudios]

you're basically correct, as it has honestly the most variety of viable tactics and playstyles, is the only gen where all the currently available starters and legendary trio mons of the time have some effective niches there, and i'm pretty sure has the largest percentage of mons in OU/BL.(which is ignoring ofcourse all those viable UU heroes as well). The short-lived post-garchomp ban pre-platinum a& hgs/ss gen 4 meta was also a close runner up for it(despite stealth rock absolutely ruining entire typings) but sadly was not meant to last

[@allalongthespaceman]

jimothy making me wanna use heat in adv

[@armorbearer9702]

It is gonna be difficult putting Flareon on any team with its weird stats. The only way I can think of is if Flareon finds a way to one hit KO ghost type Pokémon. Flareon has Shadow Ball and the attack stat to make it threatening; however, I am not sure that is enough to threaten Gengar, Misdreavus, or Dusclops.

[@TheBoatis]

I tried wish/protect Flareon for awhile in gen 6 NU. The tension between wasting that huge attack stat and wanting utility usually meant the offensive Guts set was better. Still, the idea of a mono fire healer was fun!

[@bassman9261995]

I’m trying to build a rain team around iron mugulous and iron chugulous. Any tips?

[@Pabu22]

thanks jim this was a good one

[@Zoroarkarceus123]

If its sp def and speed were swapped, Flareon would be an absolute menace in gen 9. But alas. I hope someday it can get the utility it deserves and become the true nuke it was meant to be.

[@theflaminggroundon632]

Hoping for a trick room setup ability, would do fun with brave/quiet flareon or

[@mw3crutch522]

please do a video on electrode. he is actually a great out for skarmory dugtrio and aerodactyl. magnet lets it one shot aerodactyl explosion kills dugtrio

[@fen_u9401]

crazy how almost anything has a niche in gen 3 ou imagine someone discovers that wigglytuff can do something unique in the future but i doubt that'll happen, what can it do? use counter against megahorn heracross☠️?

[@99attftw1]

You forgot to mention that Flareon is the most huggable Eeveelution!

[@pn7857]

Flareon should have had 130 attack and 110 speed.

[@redwings13400]

The first thought that occurred to me here is wondering if flareon really does much that vaporeon couldn’t do here. I suppose taking special attacks from electric types or gengars thunderbolt, but the team has two ground types for that, including dugtrio. It handles steel types a bit better, maybe deals better with celebi? I know the team has suicune already as a bulky water type, but vaporeon has better special defense and hp, deals good damage, wish support, takes fire moves, and isn’t bothered too much by willowisp. It basically has all the traits flareon does at the cost of a fire stab and lower physical attack. I’m assuming there are threats flareon covers that vaporeon wouldn’t, but I’m curious what those are.

[@DemonRaticate]

Hmmm it most likely seems to be an environmental aspect to it, kinda like the Pachurisu that Se Jun Park used. The core 5 were pretty much decided and Flareon might have provided small niches that Vaporeon didn’t. If I was to guess HP grass from Salamence combined with the fact that this role absorbs Wisp Burns made it to Vaporeon got worn down too quickly during playtests, especially combined with the infinite sand Tyrannitar creates. Wish, Toxic and Protect took move slots already, so Ice Beam might not be run over Surf. Vaporeon also most likely got hit much harder by T-Bolt and I know Gengar did run Giga Drain back then, so Vaporeon might have just been a free HP pack for that threat. For the final battle, Vaporeon most likely would have been better, but for the standard sets most people used, Flareon had a niche combined with the other 5 teammates.

[@jesuspernia8031]

Swamp that 110 to its speed and it would be a terrifying sweeper in the current Gen with guts and trailblaze

[@machoke666]

Video idea: Starmie's fall from grace

[@antoniopriego5660]

I've been using Flareon in Gen 9 Monotype to wall and destroy Special glasscannons as Flutter Main and Iron Valiant

[@ThatGuyThai]

The best underrated fire type is Typhlosion. Can 1v1 Zapdos, Gengar and Jolteon since it doesn't fly. Kills adamant Salamence and Flygon with HP Ice. Focus Punches Tyranitar for an OHKO. Aside from that, matches up great against Metagross, Jirachi, and Celebi the same as Charizard or Moltres. Can bait Duggy with Substitute to kill with Blaze Boosted Fire Blast or HP Ice.

[@barkey5741]

Reminds me when that one time ledian did agility pass in gsc nu

[@yammez1]

THE FLUFFY BEAUTIFUL BOY IS TRYING HIS BEST AND IS KINDA SUCCEEDING

[@mr410d]

The only thing i know is this flufy boy is my favorite eeveelution and one of my favorite mons, maybe on top 25 (in an universe of 1000+ mons, is good, believe me)

[@anotherordinaryguy4992]

Can you try medicham?

[@AI-DreigonGPT]

I know it's been months i have search for the one stealed the Scarlet and Violet Book and Summoned Iron Mugulis and i flied thought all Paldea and Kanto to find it but i know its a bit dumb to say that but is it any of u guys ? ( i do that cauz i want to at least a bit useful in this story )

[@HylianWindRider]

It is notable Flareon can baton pass out of a predicted dugtrio switch in if you are skilled

[@kingrafboss]

Salamence didn't run hydropump in those day? it could probably destroy Flareon, and the physical one can just earthquake it

[@abominationdesolation8322]

Switch Flareon's Special Defense (110) and Speed (65). Does that make Flareon viable?

[@adamjsher04]

Flareon is my favorite eeveelution outright. Followed by Leafeon and Sylveon

[@chucklestoo7284]

I do like your videos

[@azeria1]

Flareons speed just seems way to low for how fast it look likes obviously not jolteon fast but still way slower then expected

[@Akario3]

It's too fluffy.

[@emilydioptase]

Flareon is my favorite Eevee. Do you think you could talk about Yanma next?

[@threehotdogs]

i have been jimothy cool binging lately

[@aaronwong2430]

i dare you to use castform for a specific niche

[@abarette_]

poor Flareon

[@SimbyDimby]

Do you have gen3 randbats tips anywhere?

[@yourdagan]

There's a command that shows you all the possible randbats sets a mon can have. I have forgotten what it was. Ask Help about it.

[@yungmuney5903]

Crazy buff idea for Flareon; Replace Guts with Fur Coat cause Guts isn't that useful on a pokemon that's too slow, frail and can't get burned anyways, and give Flareon Sacred Fire and Bitter Blade. Does it make thematic sense? Uhh Flareon has claws right??? Idk fuck it, it needs anything it can get.

[@Evixyn]

Jolt is my favorite then Vap. My third favorite would be espy and finally silvy. Umbre would be my fifth favorite. Leaf, Ice, and Fire are just awful.

[@ilikestamps2978]

It's got trailblaze so like....maybe it can be good...maybe?

[@ryankeathley995]

why would pert ever toxic there instead of surf to hit the switch

[@Munby1]

Thanks.

[@jimothycool]

Nah Mate..

[@tysondennis1016]

Flareon needs Raging Fury

[@nicobruno9062]

I like flareon but is not the first place. Umbreon is my favorite. Now flareon is very ackward, it hidden ability “guts “ even it boost its atk, is not the best for a fire type, because you need run toxic orb ínstead of flame orb

[@GLamb3895]

Vaporeon is my favorite... and I hate that it's been memed into oblivion.

[@loupe500]

Maybe porygon to counter that dugtrio weakness? I mean, u lose flareon but at least it’s a 1 for 1

[@danzackblack5829]

Its pretty good in randbats at least.