Flash vs Terran's Biggest Weakness: CROSS SPAWN NEXUS FIRST!

Flash (T) vs dear (P) on Pantheon.
** I found out after the cast that this player is Rich, probably the player with the most accounts on the entire ladder.
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[@wcjerky]

Never skip zealot leg day.

[@baloonfart8082]

You know what would have tipped the scale for the Terran in that fight....A few floating buildings. I don't know why that has fallen back out of favor.

[@jm9425]

I tried sleeping in, but I woke with a chill. Little did I know that Arty had posted another banger and thank you sir for doing that!

[@Maldunn]

PSL has been awesome, I hope you’re able to keep doing it! I watch SSL before PSL though and they’re both long videos so sometimes there’s a delay before I get to the PSL matches. The recent Zelot vs Royal games were great! Thanks for the casts

[@kylehuartson9448]

The thumbnail of flash staring down the nexus made me laugh so fucking hard. Amazing.

[@verybigbrain723]

pleeease keep casting the psl. I dont know about others but I super dont mind the like background sound of the korean casters

[@Mathos93]

Definitely enjoying the PSL! Cheers!

[@heyimSkyee]

Flash vs Soulkey bo7 needs to happen

[@GPT-X938]

Maybe in SSL spring 2025? 🤞

[@Supahvegetah]

Terrans biggest weakness - Protoss.

[@Jamesgalc-gs8wu]

You mean nexus first carrier.

[@justingagnier2871]

Absolutely

[@justingagnier2871]

Every toss player is a weak human in my opinion. So stupid easy to win with

[@afwaller]

𝒫 ℛ 𝒪 𝒯 𝒪 𝒮 𝒮 ℰ 𝒟 ™

[@earthbind83]

Thanks for doing all the Flash casts! You successfully baited me into subscribing even though I'm watching so much Starcraft content already. Now if only you could play like him instead of getting Marines stuck on each other. 😛

[@DoubIeO]

@8:28 And I see no Science facility! He might be skipping it. Flash is so ahead of Artosis because Science Facility was floating to give vision for the Goliaths in the base

[@corymeyer1162]

PSL is great. Hope you keep casting it. Cheers

[@IZn0g0uDatAll]

Carriers are super strong as many people mention in the comments yet the matchup is basically perfectly balanced. Thing is that there are so many downsides to carriers : they offer a huge timing window to Terran to exploit before reaching critical mass, and more importantly, they usually come late game when there are lots of bases and they can’t be at once everywhere. That specific build is a bit problematic because all those inconveniences at negated. There are few bases on that map, and the 12 nexus means there is no obvious timing window where protoss will be weak.

[@justincronkright5025]

Take down half the Goliaths, then go for tanks. How many years have I been seeing this now, let alone Artosis! *Would this be 1 more fact slightly earlier, Flash is pushing & the bank gets insane really quickly.

[@WickedServantEbay]

got up this morning and chills hit me - there must be a new SC Brood War vid up 😂

[@DemKartal]

0:08 flassssh!!

[@jesusmanuelgutierrezduarte5253]

Flash would have..... Wait uh. The matrix as glitch.

[@davidm2031]

You guys remember when RT would read the comments as he poops? He has forgotten about us, the little guy :( Or made he doesnt poop anymore 🤔

[@avinotion]

Regarding PSL - I do want to watch, even if I complain about the sound and brightness (though you have nothing to do with those). Anyway, I love this channel. It's the one I watch the most since I found it. Got me back to following Brood War tournaments (and supporting the SSL Tastosis casts - those plugs didn't go unnoticed). So keep on going, hopefully for at least another 20 years or so

[@TheBrettdenver]

Such a boring anti-climatic game, but Arty discussing theory and strategy the whole time makes it interesting and worth the watch. Amazing

[@Armisael4321]

Do you think floating the rax and ebay would've helped soak dragoon shots and tilted the math in the Terran's favor? That and not hitting the zealots with tank shots to cook the goons faster is the only things that come to mind that could've been done better here.

[@zfeazcesd1047]

against super abusive builds like this I would like to see Terran lean into an all-in more in the timing push. you're already in a 'must-win' immediately position so u may as well just go fully all in and pull ~8-10 scvs. it's going to be extremely APM-intensive, but you can build turrets, repair, or just be 60 hp meat shields. Maybe even land my rax a minute or two earlier and pump nonstop marines just to really squeeze out as much dps as i can in the all-in. Flash was super close to holding and even won the battle with 4-5 tanks and 1 goliath left over....problem was the interceptors just rebuilt faster than flash could reinforce...but if flash had a bunch of scvs that built turrets I believe he would have won.

[@GASHPAN]

I wonder if Protoss players feel dirty after this build and have to shower afterwards..? GG!

[@cowboyluke4013]

shoulda started lockdown right after that scan

[@stevejohncockram]

I must be frederick cook because i've got CHILLS

[@stephentimothybennett]

I love competitive broodwar, but PSL competes with SSL in my longform-tournament-watching time, and SSL wins out since it is THE tournament. In my perfect world, PSL would happen about 2 weeks after the SSL ends to create a continuous stream of very high level broodwar. Obviously you can't control that, but I personally wouldn't mind if your cast of PSL were delayed until after SSL had finished airing.

[@rocksparadox]

''Áh Misteur Arbtois, Kross Spaun Nexoos Fuurst!''

[@liammorriss]

Flash could stop all wars and create world peace

[@NealX_Gaming]

So unless I missed something, he not only skipped Citadel, but the Interceptor upgrade as well? I didn't see him make that upgrade, which is weird to me because he was definitely floating enough resources to make it. Is that done intentionally to limit the amount of minerals spent when you spam build Interceptors?

[@pallytime2156]

Can't you Shift Attack Target your Tanks on those Goons? So they attack one then the other and other when they done?

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Very instructive game.

[@mitch7918]

Carrier as a unit just feels unfair. So tanky, so much damage, total chaos on your screen looks psychology intimidating.

[@addlemm44]

fly anywhere, stack together

[@harbhub]

I think the big oversight by the devs was that Interceptors can stay outside the Carrier indefinitely so long as it is moving/attacking.

[@Larsgman]

My experience against toss and carriers are from a terran exclusive experience, and my experience is as follows: Carriers wouldn’t be so OP if: 1) the interceptors wouldn’t heal to full health when they ducked back into the carrier (seemingly, i never looked up the details, but fighting so many carriers over the years this is what it felt like) 2) interceptors swarming all over the screen made it extremely difficult to target the carriers directly. 3) attack move AI was improved so that goliaths would automatically attack the carriers directly instead of targeting interceptors like dummies 4) improving the ability for the terran player to execute lockdowns against carriers. On paper, you would think terrans should be invincible against carriers with “OP” units like the goliath and ghost, but the reality of trying to lockdown a carrier through an interceptor swarm is equivalent to pissing through a needle. Over 50% of the time, i *GUARANTEE* you, you will hit an interceptor instead of the carrier by mistake with lockdown. Because of the massive cost of lockdown, the resources and time it takes to invest in ghosts, and the time it takes for a ghost to reach max energy - you will probably already have 80% of your bases destroyed or your army decimated. 5) optical flare is a joke against Terran. The only thing i have ever seen successfully executing optical flare against an observer was AI. On paper, the terran go-to to destroy carriers would be ghosts to lockdown, goliaths to destroy the carriers, and optical flare on observers so the ghosts can be protected. Same problem with lockdown, trying to hit multiple tiny observers through a carrier group and interceptor swarm is a pipe dream.

[@pmendoza6681]

Marine medic and tanks will crush that

[@AdorableOdyssey]

Blows my mind that he did a firebat drop in the mineral line.

[@xardiodrack1798]

i hope flash come back or soulkey is gonna continue crushing every terran he come across also i like psl but it would be even better if you bring tastless for next season its always a blast when you cast together and has always thank for the games

[@wowlightshadow]

Just a small detail for your production Artosis. Keeping the game zoomed out for a longer time, is especially bad when watching it on a phone. Cant see much at all, its quite frustrating. Else, keep up the casts, my brain is wired to watch you every day at this hour xD

[@christofincognito4530]

It is almost like Broodwar is an unbalanced shit game. "Not even Flash could win this"

[@pyrothem]

I am watching, and enjoying, and whatnot.

[@jonathangodbolt1671]

Do terrans need to start bbs in the middle of the map occasionally to punish nexus first?

[@justinlai2035]

1 nexus first = 1 chill

[@Wysaw]

PSL is great content imo

[@gregjuva]

protoss is too imba. Marines should be able to load into barracks and shoot from it while it floats like a hovering bunker. Upgrade available at the ebay to move capacity from 4 marines in barracks to 8.

[@1979ce]

Flash needed floating buildings to absorb hits

[@2ndCanpipe]

I know this is beating a dead horse. The PSL streams are awesome, I'd love to watch them, but even when it's quiet the conflicting English and Korean commentary give me a headache after a few minutes. I'd watch the hell out of them if they were replays or a clean feed.

[@pivorsc]

you deer

[@Jamesgalc-gs8wu]

@artosis do these pros just run into each other on the ladder and decide to keep playing each other?

[@RichardJamesMendoza]

Sometimes they do, but oftentimes they organize private lobbies particularly for sponsored showmatches (called "sponbang" in informal Korean).

[@Maldunn]

I think it happens a lot naturally if they both immediately go into another match right after one ends. There probably aren’t a ton of other available players to match with at the same time with that skill level

[@darylav2023]

we already know protoss (and also zerg) is RIGGED!!!

[@chongli297]

How Terran beats this: Blizzard comes out with a patch that triples fleet beacon build time!

[@stevenfinafrock5627]

Am i crazy or was there no interceptor upgrade?

[@NealX_Gaming]

Nope, I didn't see it either, see my comment. Maybe intentional to limit mineral spending?

[@chaddunn6334]

Wasn’t dear an sc2 player?

[@wargumbyx]

if only people were not so terrified to build valkyries

[@MIStrZZZ]

Toss going nexus first is PRAYING for terran to be cross spawn. Terran going CC first is not praying for anything, he can just easily defend with bunker and tank.

[@craigmnelson86]

Ghost lock down is a counter id like to see

[@bobagowoof]

I will pay $100 to see flash play artosis with one less scv

[@Crud-Stevens]

cool beans

[@bitblueduck]

Why do competetive maps have random spawn locations? If there were only 2 locations or always cross-spawn it would much more balanced in my opinion.

[@garrettwilson4754]

There are two and three-player maps on ladder. Usually, two player maps heavily favor one race over others at the pro level. IIRC Artosis himself thinks 3-player maps are the most interesting

[@Maldunn]

That’s how StarCraft 2 is and I find it very dull to watch. Love the map variety in broodwar, and you get a lot of interesting strategies cause they don’t know exactly where the opponent is every match.

[@bitblueduck]

@@Maldunn I am not an expert, so please don't take my opinion too seriously. I find this like a coin flip mechanism and not very fair for the player. Early scouting info might be very important, and it matters if you find the opponent in the first or third location. The same way I don't like SCV mechanics when it builds randomly on the exposed side and melee units can reach it. Anyway I can accept as a valid answer that more viewers like it this way, and of course the audience keeps the game alive.

[@pmendoza6681]

Goliaths are dumb lol

[@ssf4evo]

start checking for the scan vision. you talk a lot over those scans that you never check for

[@Larsgman]

My experience against toss and carriers are from a terran exclusive experience, and my experience is as follows: Carriers wouldn’t be so OP if: 1) the interceptors wouldn’t heal to full health when they ducked back into the carrier (seemingly, i never looked up the details, but fighting so many carriers over the years this is what it felt like) 2) interceptors swarming all over the screen made it extremely difficult to target the carriers directly. 3) attack move AI was improved so that goliaths would automatically attack the carriers directly instead of targeting interceptors like dummies 4) improving the ability for the terran player to execute lockdowns against carriers. On paper, you would think terrans should be invincible against carriers with “OP” units like the goliath and ghost, but the reality of trying to lockdown a carrier through an interceptor swarm is equivalent to pissing through a needle. Over 50% of the time, i *GUARANTEE* you, you will hit an interceptor instead of the carrier by mistake with lockdown. Because of the massive cost of lockdown, the resources and time it takes to invest in ghosts, and the time it takes for a ghost to reach max energy - you will probably already have 80% of your bases destroyed or your army decimated. 5) optical flare is a joke against Terran. The only thing i have ever seen successfully executing optical flare against an observer was AI. On paper, the terran go-to to destroy carriers would be ghosts to lockdown, goliaths to destroy the carriers, and optical flare on observers so the ghosts can be protected. Same problem with lockdown, trying to hit multiple tiny observers through a carrier group and interceptor swarm is a pipe dream.

[@free-4-1]

Flash is top 1 SC1 2 years ago.

[@dzmitryfedarkevich6223]

He just needed ghost and locks

[@Razerfreak1]

RT, would u leave wifetosis for flash? would u CIFA? you are obviously in love.

[@TKGameGuy]

Spoiler block?

[@belasstrongestwarrior]

Flash's side profile is what my skull looks like if I didn't take steroids at 20. It's HARD being Asian.