When Flash Rushes, its NOT Cheese.

[@peterdixon7673]

2:05 to 2:30 is a nice trick that I think should have been pointed out. When flash scouted Rich's base, he turned the SCV around to prevent it entering the Nexus vision range. Then he did a loop-de-loop to make it look like he came from the completely opposite direction. Rich's probe then left going the completely wrong direction.

[@basilman121]

Great catch

[@harbhub]

Noticed that as well. It also addresses Artosis' point about sending a probe to check that area since Flash gave Rich enough time to check that area while also playing the mind game of making it seem like his SCV is too late to do a bunker rush while also making it seem like he is scouting from the opposite side of his actual base. Clever stuff!

[@alpacaherder5680]

ye he did this in the video where artosis casted 3 shit games in a row in g2 he turned the scv and made it look like coming from different base

[@joebazooks]

Doesn’t the nexus have a greater range of vision than an SCV?

[@peterdixon7673]

@@joebazooks Not while its building.

[@uglyfish7292]

It's 85 degrees outside, but I made sure to put a jacket on just in case I get some chills

[@omegaduckie]

That’s what makes you the best in the world

[@GameBoyGuru555]

And thrills

[@pangolinrendangered5683]

Are you blue?

[@tylerwinkle323]

10:45 proof arty is blind when he watches flash games those tanks in front, vultures stuck in the back, the whole engagement is FUBAR for terran but arty is blinded by the light

[@veasnamakara5941]

Stunned by the cheese

[@ublade82]

>Flash killed the natural immediately and lost I'm a Bose-Einstein Condensate over here man

[@afwaller]

Wow that’s an incredibly chilled state of matter

[@1.3trilliondollarman]

What!!

[@helloken]

Ppl are getting clever and nerdy with the chills.

[@tiagomota4734]

Comdensed milk donst have to do anything with this!!!

[@benjamincarmona3703]

Day9 said it perfectly: In broodwar paper beats rock, but if you have 5 rocks you beat paper anyways

[@poppy3318]

10:35 Legs or not, Flash would of crushed this fight if his Vultures were up front.

[@hemmydall]

Yeah that's the only mistake I noticed. Vultures off to the side and blindly trying to siege up the hill, and even blocking the vultures from coming in faster on the left with his sieging.

[@tomeroren4779]

yeah, was such a clear mistake, surprised arty didn't mention it. then taking that 4th way too fast was just too greedy

[@nesssixteen6106]

I think he was trying to avoid having 7 vultures getting nuked by a single scarab but his tanks ended up walling off a path to be able to frontline once the actual fight started. Either way it's a tricky engage since he's pushing a high ground position and trying to do so before legs finish, which he knows will pop very soon. It's a very rough position for anyone to work with.

[@helloken]

This is what I noticed too, felt like the vultures needed to be in front to body block the melee zealots and protect the tanks. I get that Flash was trying to get up on the high ground so he doesn't miss shots. I guess even the best have a hard time playing this game perfectly since there is so much to do. The speed of his push is impressive though.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Its the same mistake he made in several other games against protoss over the last couple months. Noticed it a few times before, he does everything right and then doesnt use the vultures to bodyblock the zealots and draw scarab hits so he loses his tanks too quickly. If he fixes this one thing then he will have 100% winrate vs protoss.

[@vanov88]

When Flash Rushes, its NOT Cheese, it's parmesan

[@St0rMsk]

parmesan is a type of cheese. But I believe Gorgonzolla is not

[@RMJ1984]

This time however it was moldy...

[@fifthofascalante7311]

Veg cheese 🤮

[@skitidet4302]

I just hope it's not American cheese.

[@novitrix9671]

​@@skitidet4302 Yellow rubber

[@EebstertheGreat]

"Quantity has a quality all its own" is a phrase that is usually attributed to Joseph Stalin but seems to originate in the US defense community in the late 1970s.

[@PopcornColonelx]

-Michael Scott

[@DiziCone]

Yeah that checks out. Stalingrad anybody

[@janpaulbusch1437]

10:47 five tanks in the frontline forming a steel shield to protect the vultures. Flash figured out TvP

[@Gwanzan3325]

Ruth M. Davis, US Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Advanced Technology, said "quantity has a quality all its own" in 1974, but attributed the aphorism to Lenin.

[@azk5811]

It's not cheese, it's chills

[@sdfsdfsdf1704]

flash pretending to come from the top right with his SCV at the start was pretty cool

[@AlexBourque-zj1ny]

Ackchyually Artois, 'Quantity has a quality of its own' is attributed to Stalin.

[@bahadirozer]

orc tactics

[@peterstewart7332]

Actually it's from Thomas A. Callaghan Jr.

[@lourouxxi]

Kids bring home a lot of chills till it's cold

[@zxt5148]

No wonder you're sick all the time, you're always getting CHILLS

[@BrickCity-o1n]

When Flash rushes it's a double cheese-bunker with extra chills!

[@lanfeust06]

Let him cook with chills

[@dangerfield6855]

Good morning Flashtosis!

[@MoonJung82]

This is so much more satisfying than watching armies dodge disruptor shots.

[@alotek2408]

Weather forecast for today: very very very very chilly

[@belasstrongestwarrior]

Flash was overzealous with that push and Zealots killed him

[@cl8804]

isn't it stalin? iirc the quote's something like "quantity's a quality all of its own"

[@joshuahensley9395]

7:25 i just noticed the creep stuck in that square doing hi little dance

[@renzoochoa3014]

Was gonna say the same thing, lol. Sorry chills?

[@diegobuenovillafane869]

Purpose of technology: having more starcraft. And chills

[@nwoDekaTsyawlA]

That key attack should have won, instead it was cleaned up. I believe that the execution wasn't great, the vultures got stuck behind the tanks because the 3 SCVs blocked the flow paths. This allowed the slow zealots to get on top of the tanks.

[@bergstromthesecond]

Strong agree on that! if the vultures were positioned better, those zealots would have been toast with very little damage. But them getting in just melted the front tank line. It looked like flash wasn't looking at the exact second protoss pulled the trigger.

[@BoromirTheGrey]

Great quote from Artosis the wise. I actually thought it was Stalin originally, but now I have to research it. Who would've thought Artosis would be bringing out history lessons!

[@thewuvluv]

I die laughing every time Artosis gets a glitch in the demos. Those damn small independent companies.

[@davidorawe3931]

Artosis, it was not a quote from Napoleon anywhere I'm aware of. I think it's something some Americans came up with recently and attributed it to someone else. Marx and Engles have an idea in their writings that does mean essentially the same thing, which they derived from Greek philosophers. "Quantity is a quality all of its own."

[@danielearley8826]

Terran players amazed at making TWO bunks instead of one.

[@njmontano1625]

Flash memes is the StarCraft equivalent of Chuck Norris memes.

[@justinlai2035]

FINALLY, after so many days, i get the CHILLS.

[@helloken]

Rich: Builds Nexus first Flash: Here is your order, a double bunker with cheese. Would you like some SCV with that?

[@janpaulbusch1437]

7:50 Why do they not bring minerals?

[@TheSuperappelflap]

I think Terrans need some time in the workshop to come up with a better follow-up for the bunker push against the nexus first. There are so many games where the Terran kills the nexus with minimal losses, then Protoss goes 2 gate dragoon range to kill the bunkers, and then into shuttle reavers and does a ton of damage while safely expanding to 3 base. Meanwhile Terran is running around his base with a couple units trying to push the reaver out and losing scvs. This just puts Protoss ahead anyway. They either need to start making some goliaths and goliath range to counter the shuttle reaver effectively or do a followup push with siege mode to stop the Protoss from fast expanding again. Just killing a nexus and nothing else for the investment of those marines, the bunkers, and the scv idle time, it doesnt seem to be worth it anymore. Protoss just gives up the nexus and gets ahead anyway.

[@surmanator89]

I thought he was going to build his 3rd cc at that point. He stymied the toss economy, if his got churning hard, I think he could have mass armied as maybe 2-1 to vehicle upgrades and crushed.

[@oliverwarren1074]

10:30 just shows how SC is a game of inches. Flash is just slightly too fast with his move up the ramp, leap frogging slightly too aggressively, and then pays for it. At the time that Rich attacks, Flash only has 4 siege mode tanks. He also has no vultures/goliaths in front of his tanks. If he would have say, 6 tanks sieged, and vultures at front, I guess the game ends right there

[@ocircles738]

Flash was kind of behind from the moment he committed to the bunker rush. Everything else was just him trying to play from behind

[@mf_________]

"Marscapone is a yogurt in and of itself." -Napoleon dynamite, maybe

[@Nebulak187]

Flash is a VERY good cheeser. one of the reasons he is the most successful starcraft player

[@antonfinenko6238]

Excellent decision making by the winner. Napoleon would have been proud. Thanks for casting

[@bunnieskitties293]

I can only imagine what this chat would look like if youtube wouldnt censor all of the Mario uh.. "content".

[@stefanc4520]

What if I'm not happy by the surprise? Do I get a refund?

[@MrLogistician]

Arty i think flash got a bug similar to your bunker that didnt build bug. Check 4:00. The marine didnt enter the bunker. I guess the marine could've been sent before completion but its flash so he definitely knows the timing.

[@Fanelan053]

As long as you Prooooomise to tell us in 2 days what the surprise is!

[@joebazooks]

Bad decision making by flash. You have to assume Rich is going to mass units after the failed push. What a gamble to try and expand again there as T

[@dada78641]

Wow, I'm not used to Flash just getting his push crushed. Happened in another match too.

[@helloken]

Something I picked up on that nobody seems to be talking about yet. At about 9:35 Flash needs to send his floating engineering bay and barracks as it seems to take about a full minute to get to the Protoss base. He wants those as meat shields to assist in the battle but they arrive about 20 seconds too late to make a difference. I know Flash was experimenting with using floating buildings as part of a push and this is another example of that, they were just so late that nobody even noticed him doing this. Also, the KZbin timer and in game timer are perfectly synced! I never noticed this...or is it for this video only?

[@theSato]

The video isnt synced for the first part -- its the crash/glitch where Arty had to restart recording that put it in sync lol

[@P7ab]

That was incredibly unexpected!

[@DangerDucking]

Notice flash scouted nexus but retreated to make the toss think he came from the other direction

[@joeo6378]

Do you think Flash was too aggressive with mines around 13:00? He dropped mines top center, then right in front of P's 4th base. Thinking if he spreads those mines around a little more he would see that move out and at least be in position and sieged up? Maybe it wouldn't have mattered with the supply dif.. but idk anything - just a non-bw player watching and talking out loud.

[@bc3f4a]

F for the last marine in the bunker.

[@gregjuva]

flashmas resumes

[@andreaskallstrom9031]

Thank you. If you have the information, could you say the date (including year) that the game was played? It would be very nice in the future to go back through the years and see exactly How and when the game developed

[@fei5230]

You miss the play that flash saw the nexus and pulled scv away and then came back in to make rich think it’s from another direction

[@LSZreduction]

Flash lost the push because his vultures weren't in front

[@mattknaggs4499]

arty better have some chills tomorrow

[@kevinf.2556]

Gotta hand it to rich, recovered extremely well after that bust 10/10 did not expect he would hold up flashes follow up play and neither did flash :D

[@s4091boat]

When Flash cheese, it's cheddar 🧀

[@maxwellstylez]

I wonder how that 6 factory push would have fared if it was on flat ground

[@MasterJohnam]

When Terran rushes and wins, it's deserved.

[@daarksideyt]

||||||||||ivv is the *OFFICIAL* Iloveooov commemoration barcode.

[@DemKartal]

0:06 flaaaash!!

[@Blag_Cog]

Flash actually overextended himself and pushed too fast there. The siege tank line at the front was way too dense compared to how many tanks he had.

[@TheTwigMaster]

When Rush Flashes, it IS Chills.

[@mechzz]

Do you think the 3 short games you casted before of flash, if that toss player played it out after his nexus was down he'd have a good chance of winning?

[@brandonwells9151]

We need more napoleon quotes lmao 😂

[@davidm2031]

The original short king!!!!

[@kkahakusan5591]

The original short king!!!!!!!!!!!

[@zuphix1802]

Even if they're Stalin quotes 😂

[@brandonwells9151]

@@zuphix1802 “it was in French, shut up” hahaha

[@davidm2031]

@@kkahakusan5591 oh looks like someone's a comedian 🤨

[@garrettwilson4754]

Quantity has a quality all its own. Cited in 1978 by Ruth M. Davis, U.S. Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Advanced Technology, attributed to Vladimir Lenin:

[@scytale6]

Flash doesn't even like cheese.

[@TheRealSykx]

Anyone else driven a little insane by the critter ping ponging back and forth on the mini map? No? Just me? Ok

[@dermensch2553]

Flash forgot to lay mines in first big push...

[@Ian-vq3qe]

I hear you on the kids it feels like one long cold during the school year oh and my StarCraft freezes a lot too, from what i understand its because every time there is an update of my OS it fucks up.

[@intuwarescomputerservices9470]

Why did Flash lose the push so badly, was it just because uphill? his tanks a bit stretched out?

[@Man_3336]

At last, some Flash

[@dylaninnes8541]

Quantity has a quality all its own

[@JorgenVonStein]

Congratz on the rush/cheese.

[@GahloWake]

On the computer issue side, if you have a 13th or 14th gen Intel CPU then it's probably running into the accelerated degrading issues that those series have been having.

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

Seems like the mistake was to have the vultures behind the tanks? Meaning the zealots were free to destroy those tanks.

[@vizelek2156]

What is that bengalaas doing at the top right corner of Flash's main?

[@alucard449]

Flashed tricked the toss by pulling back once he saw the nexus and sending the scv back in from a different angle. All the small things he does are great to watch. Even if he is abusing a broken faction to dominate.

[@Luisml8]

Flash could have just back off and take the 3rd and make the toss think a push is comming and then take a 4th and then push out.

[@rexsales6552]

How many people are in the ladder? Its hard to find a match for a noob in the ladder for me😅

[@usmh]

Goons DON'T "reeaally counter vultures." 3 vultures cost pure minerals and only 50 more total resources than a goon, but they beat THE SHIT out of it.

[@kenjoco2744]

Compilation of Arty coughing, probably because of all the CHILLS: 13:46 14:57 15:33

[@phoenixlich]

Zerg is so HYPE!

[@TheBryceWade]

Terran not walling and fortifying the 3rd is crazy. Bunk and Rax wall.

[@sdfsdfsdf1704]

always hugely satisfying to see nexus first punished =)

[@Betlel]

Could Flash have done heavy bio pressure after the initial rush? If it's scouted it would've forced Rich to tech into reaver instead of being able to double expand to catch up economically

[@helloken]

A noob here, my guess it's probably a very weak move in that situation. Protoss has the potential to have reavers very quickly. I've seen it work, but it's usually a move of desperation rather than a good follow up. Basically, Flash was ahead and did not need to take risks like invest into an all in bio push that could be hard countered quite easily. He would need to build multiple rax and an academy and upgrade stim minimum. Terran becomes very heavily all in and you cannot beat Protoss with bio without the element of surprise. It's unnecessarily risky when you are ahead. My noob guess/opinion.

[@Tripleight38]

Doesn't work that way. Non upgraded bio without medics, it's such a bad investment because, simply talking, everything protoss has smashes bio, except goons.

[@brianviktor8212]

Where are the games where Flash wins though? :|

[@iaml.4290]

IM... GETTING... CHILLS...

[@joex90]

whats up with the players name in the right corner?

[@susiederkins6612]

I think we can all agree that TvZ is where it's at, but TvP will suffice

[@TagaBearClaw]

are these the new graphics of sc1?

[@gordontubbs]

Just an armchair expert call here, but... I always feel like Terrans siege way too early in the initial move out. I'd love to see some kiting/tactical retreating with unsieged tanks just to wittle down those zealots. That tank splash damage is brutal.

[@nesssixteen6106]

If he sieges too early, the zealots simply stay back until legs are finished or reavers force earlier/ more sieges. Realistically this game was lost the moment the 3rd Protoss base wasn't punished.

[@pontussamuelsson4003]

He had a window to keep pushing marines and a few scv to kill the zealot and bunker within range of a gateway before goons got range and numbers advantage. Seems weird to rush and then expand instead of keeping the pressure on?!

[@MJ.Actual]

Is this that rising cheesy terran who wronged bisu on monte hall?

[@marketingcoelho2058]

One of the worst engages I saw flash do. But the leapfrogging was fast and scary. I think he's at that point didnt care if he win or lose, the "study" was done.

[@falshion1837]

Rich casually beats flash…. Impressive.

[@mormorgranat]

So does this game prove protoss is heavily favoured? How did Flash lose that so convincingly? I thought for sure he was ahead after the rush, and didnt seem to do any obvious mistakes after

[@jesse1381]

Not at all. This was one of those win it or bin it games. Flash had to win the game with the all in push as Flash was lacking with his economy. He slacked off on his SCV production and went straight for 6 Factories. Protoss narrowly held and Flash was clearly behind after his push failed. Once Protoss got their tech and a 40 supply lead it was over via standard macro. Flash just didn't have the SCVs to stay in it. So Flash definitely made "mistakes" and played a reckless game. That's just how some games are. Not every game is a slugfest and that's how you innovate. I don't think he's concerned or that this game reflects the bigger picture.

[@mormorgranat]

@@jesse1381 Like you said, he invested hard into a 6 fact push when he was clearly ahead, and the protoss took 3 quick bases and hardly had the time to leverage them. Not even in that scenario could the best player ever win. I'm not surprised he didn't win after the push failed, I'm surprised his push could fail there, and even easily held. He didn't even have lot speed, and didn't do anything impressive in the fight either. Just ran his army straight ahead into a pretty good and sieged position. I guess the mines didnt trigger very well, but still, it was easily held despite everything mentioned

[@jesse1381]

@@mormorgranat It was a narrow hold and that's Starcraft. Rich had the correct build and his macro was strong on the day. He was always ahead in economy and the sky is far from falling here just because Flash lost one very cheesy game. Flash played recklessly, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's one game and you can't expect Flash to win 100% of his games especially when he takes big risks or cheeses. That's just part of innovation and trying different ideas.

[@mormorgranat]

@@jesse1381 Oh you mean Rich was ahead in economy after getting a Nexus killed and held for another minute or two? Expecting Flash to win after a very successful "cheese" and then a strong push, is not expecting him to win 100% of the games. This is way too low level of a discussion

[@jesse1381]

@@mormorgranat Did we even watch the same game? So what if Rich lost a Nexus? Flash did it at the expense of his own economy. Flash was never significantly ahead in units or workers and was down by over 20 supply when the armies engaged. You could argue his push wasn't fast enough and he lost a cheesy game. It's not that deep. If whining and crying that Flash lost is your definition of a high level discussion then whatever floats your boat

[@VoiDukkha]

beautiful simple game. Rich SSL material!

[@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175]

Wasn’t the “quantity has a quality all its own” a Stalin quote?

[@swampybwoy]

Spoiler unblocker: Flash lost

[@AnitaBeerstein]

Artosis moment quoting Stalin Lul