Flat Earthers doing SSUM serious straw clutching for excuses

[@dougfraser77]

This is surreal. Going on and on about a one-day change in schedule like it's some kind of crazy conspiracy. Have these fools never travelled before?

[@JerrVictor]

very often, no.

[@Alsadius]

If they have, it's probably been on super-curated things like big cruise ships in calm environments, or scheduled flights between big airports. The schedules are way less likely to change there, because they've got much better weather, and much more ability to compensate even when weather goes bad. (Not like there's a modern ILS at the Union Glacier runway to let them make safe instrument-only landings, you know?)

[@JW-mb6tq]

The list of things they have not done seems to keep piling up. My personal favorite is the snow conspiracy. It seems like many of them have never been to a ski lodge. They have never seen groomed snow/ice.

[@DannyMartin3z]

I think that’s part of the issue. Their world is as far as they can see. And if their experience is limited their world is tiny. That’s why explaining the sun is 92 million miles away doesn’t register. You could say a million thousand kajillion and it would mean as much as 92 million miles. Maybe if we use 1au it lowers the barrier to entry for them? I think they can count to 1 and understand 1 as a concept? Maybe?

[@sjd5750]

This sovereign guy is a joke! ..Get a life, you old fart!

[@ConsciousAtoms]

To summarize these flat earthers: "If reality behaves different from what I believe, reality is wrong".

[@micheal49]

Exactly! This was not going to put a dent in the sides of their ship. It's a belief system, and belief systems are bulletproof (not bullet resistant). The true believer will adhere to their beliefs no matter what. Even if FlatZoid had been there at the South Pole to actually witness the actual event in real time, he would still reject the whole thing. Reality must conform to his belief. If reality does not conform, then reality is wrong-- not the belief.

[@jaketzi8816]

@@micheal49 You spelled fkatzoids name wrong, otherwise spot on.

[@billbill6094]

Which is inherently anti-science despite what they want to believe, as science is not a body of knowledge but a way of critically interrogating reality. "I know I said that if the sun behaves this way and it does then the Earth is round" then to "no I was actually wrong back when I made that sound argument that there is now irrefutable evidence for, let's just ignore that observation and how that indicates reality and look at something else" is inherently not science, it is intellectually dishonest. Like Dave said, he accidentally, miraculously had one sound, rational thought that provided a clear falsifiable claim, then retreated back into unfalsifiable statements as soon as the result didn't match his expectation. He thinks his mind has more right over what's real than reality.

[@gloriouslumi]

No. We all know that it is, in fact, the children who are wrong!

[@polkad3v]

They seem to be perpetually paranoid about everything, I wish they get the help they need.

[@funx24X7]

“When the wise man points at the stars, the fool criticizes the finger” I think about this quote a lot when it comes to flat earthers but I find it particularly apt for this experiment.

[@dingokidneys]

That is a very apt quote and one I'd never heard before. Thanks for that.

[@richardhill2643]

@@funx24X7 the other quote to think about is “A fool and their money are soon parted”, the likes of Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay, Dopey Dave Weiss and other prominent flerfers have their business models, grifting from those foolish enough to believe their rubbish!

[@davehoward22]

"When a fool denies the stars,a wise man gives them the finger"

[@fmdj]

@@funx24X7 while the wise man points at the stars, the ferf's finger is, together with both of his arms, deep in his ass digging for arguments

[@Okijuben]

​@@davehoward22Oh snap, I love both of these quotes.

[@fatallywound3d340]

They had every opportunity to send someone they trusted and didn't. Any claims of it being faked can simply be tossed out.

[@Alsadius]

They did send people they trusted...until those people said that it was all legit, at which point they were all magically no longer trustworthy.

[@fatallywound3d340]

@@Alsadius exactly and the fact they didn't send anyone they trusted even more proves how dishonest they are as there was more room for more people to go.

[@jpablo68]

@@Alsadius They weren't "formally" invited apparently.

[@bikesnacks]

@@fatallywound3d340 no, jeran and witsit were trusted. Right up until they said it's wrong. It's a 'no true Scotsman' scenario. They can send anyone they want, no matter how trusted. But the moment they turn against flerf orthodoxy then they're out.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

We are talking about the kinds of people who still follow Mark Sargent even after the self-parodying commercial he did.

[@filotest3093]

I admire your patience, Dave. Explaining perfectly obvious things to flat-earthers over and over again. Like kindergarten.

[@TheokeS85]

Nah. Kids in Kindergarten DO have a learning curve 🧐🤔

[@ShizukuSeiji]

@@TheokeS85 the conversation is more akin to talking to rocks (though I mean no offence to rocks, many of them are very nice and many of them make better company than any FE grifter)

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Given these people flunked out of kindergarten by turning 18, most kindergarteners are actively smarter than they are.

[@jocec3283]

Kids that age are smarter... They listen and learn...

[@robbarton7972]

But you do have the Flerf auto reset to contend with. You point out some fact and they may agree too it, but the next day the flerf has forgotten and ask's the same dumb question again. Its like Groundhog day over and over again.

[@jpgonzalez6043]

Dave… you were the 100% best person to be chosen to go and document the 24 hour sun. Your calm and intelligent approach to everything you do…. Shows why that is true. Keep killing it my guy.

[@chrismaverick9828]

I couldn't do it. Even after 20+ years dealing with people in retail, my limit for stupid has only shrunk.

[@jpgonzalez6043]

@@chrismaverick9828 oh man I hear that. Glad I’m done either way the retail field. Have you ever seen that comedian that does that IKEA retail sketch comedy? Man…. Hits retail right on the head. But yes… retail definitely amplified my allergy to bullshit 😂😂.

[@richardhill2643]

@@chrismaverick9828 the difference between a Flerfer and an old 386 laptop? With the laptop you only need to punch the information in once!

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

Actually though. I think flat earth Dave said "can you imagine being on a trip with Dave mckeagen" like dude, that's the nicest person you could be with. I don't know how he has the patience to engage with them like they're arguing in good faith

[@jessepullen6788]

100%. Dave comes across as simultaneously incredibly genuine and exceedingly professional. Generous with his knowledge, energy, and his time. His videos are I think the most articulate and educational. He seems to come in with great knowledge already, particularly on topics involving cameras and lenses obviously. But arguably more importantly he actively researches and learns to present, you know, good stuff. There are are other great, clever people in this youtube space, but Dave is the best, to me :) Probably won't see this since it's a reply, but if you ever do, thanks Dave. You're a role model and more. I can only imagine the frustration of potentially feeling unheard, with the stubborn, perpetuating topic at hand. But your intelligence isn't lost on everyone. Cheers.

[@Raucey]

The whole point of them asking "where were you on the 18th" and other similar questions is just a fishing expedition for them. They have no real questions, they are simply just looking for mole hole to make a mountain of. It's never a good faith question or argument.

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

Yep, it is a very special variant of bike shedding ...

[@Kualinar]

Wow ! Even worst that turning a mole mound into a mountain, A mole HOLE into a mountain... Yes, flerfs are stupid.

[@ansteve1]

That made it sound like he never traveled for any extended time.

[@JustsomeSteve]

Thank you. I don't have the nerves anymore to deal with them because of stuff like this. I think I need a break from all this willful ignorance, paired with this unbelievable arrogance. It is exhausting!

[@woolysamoan]

CIA Sovereign.

[@manaayek8091]

Its funny that bro was saying “its summer there no storms in summer” in florida, my perception of summer is violent storms. It tells me this guy bases his perspective on what he personally sees.

[@Bnio]

Dude seriously needs to travel more. For instance, I’m in Tokyo where nearly every day this winter has been sunny, cold and calm. Last summer, meanwhile, was full of spectacular thunderstorms nearly every week.

[@HOOOLD_ON]

There is not much weather to be seen from mom's basement...

[@UweKlosa]

Go to Japan in the summer. It's Typhoon season

[@psterud]

From what I've seen over the years, that's basically their whole attitude: They use their perception and call it "common sense" to describe everything.

[@Kualinar]

Way farther North, in Canada, and I get violent storms each and every Summers. Thunder storms, hail storms, plain wind storms...

[@humanbean3]

silly NASA overlords. trillions of dollars (for a city sized simulator that defies the laws of physics) and cooperation from every country on earth but those pesky little reschedules just ruin everything

[@LovinGodandmusic]

😂 Oh, that's so good! 🤣 Perfect 👌

[@tyrannicpuppy]

You really would think they'd better arrange things with the people controlling all the weather we keep hearing about. How are they supposed to keep up the conspiracy if all these tiny mistakes keep happening because they pointed the weather control machine the wrong on the wrong day. Sheesh. /s

[@KissatenYoba]

It makes sense if it's not a city sized simulator but a place from the other side of the ice wall, you know?

[@sleepyjoe8958]

Try this “straw clutching”: show me measured earth curvature or your spinning water globe is a lie.

[@user-cx2pz6cz8p]

@sleepyjoe8958 New to this debate so I consulted an AI. The curvature of the earth has been measured in different ways numerous times throughout history.

[@MxXxD]

21:10 "Where is skind of accountability for that time period?" - I love how they think you owe them explanations of what you did your last day in Chile. So delusional.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Its hilarious, one of them in FZ's comments last night was claiming that they deserved a 24 hour, uninterrupted live stream

[@MxXxD]

@@DaveMcKeegan Oh my cat they have the galposts on wheels so they can easily move them hahaahha

[@edwinmauricetorchonmanriqu8179]

This m#%&@#rs!!!! accountability for 24 hrs? Hahahahhahaha, but, mctoon did a short video walking around town, looking for an office for a stamp to his passport or something, soooo, as always flerfs grief!!!!

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@@MxXxD I think by this point they are moving the posts that often that they don't bother putting them down, they might as well ties balloons to them and let them float around freely 🤣

[@tobyCornish]

Did I totally miss the point of TFE? Was it primarily about documenting tourism in Punta Arenas?

[@RegebroRepairs]

Some favorites from last month: Refusing to admit that circles are curves. Thinking that the camera in the picture is the camera taking the picture. Not understanding that when you get closer to a mountain it looks larger. Not understanding that if A gets closer to B, B also gets closer to A. Claiming there is only 12 timezones on the northern hemisphere. Wondering why A Chilean base in Antarctica uses Chilean time. Saying that any reflection of the horizon must line up with the horizon behind you. I swear, flerfs are getting more stupid.

[@hansj5846]

They are hilarious 😂😂

[@GlutenEruption]

Just more desperate

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Yes. The Wilder and dumber they get, the fewer people will fall for it.

[@peronkop]

They might just be. On average. The reasonable flerfs left after TFE. The remaining ones are the most dogmatic.

[@treyashworth3330]

I have someone tell me circle had more straight lines than a square

[@IMTHE...357]

Hey Dave!! I'm an Ex-FEer!!! TY for everything you have done!! I've always appreciated your approach!! You don't throw ad Homs or anything that isn't warranted.!! SOV and that whole crew are exactly why I left the community!!! It's getting bad.. They can't even entertain a 24hr Sun!! I just don't get it!! Your doing great work man!! Love your Dog!! Springer correct!! I lost one 2 years ago!! Great Dogs!! Have a good one!!! Feel free to tell everyone Ex-FEers do exist!! 😁👍💜💯

[@TheWedgeWizard]

I’m curious how it wasn’t incredibly obvious that the earth is a sphere? Have you not seen how the stars rotate counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere, clockwise in the southern & straight over head along the equator? That fact alone destroys FE. Or how ships, buildings, mountains, etc. all disappear bottom up & you can calculate exactly how much for any given distance? Or the fact that the sun couldn’t possibly be as close as FE claims or it would get bigger and smaller perspectively as it got closer & further. Or had you not seen the hundreds of pics & videos taken from space? I can’t imagine how it wouldn’t been abundantly obvious after like 5 minutes of research. Or how about the multiple experiments flat earthers did themselves that proved both the curve & the 15° an hr drift. There’s so much! And nothing points to the earth being flat.

[@UpperDarbyDetailing]

I can tell by the gratuitous use of exclamation points and misuse of ad-hom.

[@UpperDarbyDetailing]

@@TheWedgeWizardFTFE has a playlist with at least eight ex flat Earther’s discussing it.

[@Yeoldelole]

Yes!!! You can and everything!!!! (!!!) !!!!!!!

[@Yeoldelole]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@truthsmiles]

It’s like listening to someone debunk a documented climb and summit of Mount Everest by pointing out that you brought an extra water bottle. So bizarre.

[@ferociousfeind8538]

"where's the explanation for the extra water bottle? I don't buy the public explanation, something about it is really really fishy, it reeks of conspiracy."

[@ReValveiT_01]

@sleepyjoe8958 "water globe" Earth's total mass is made up of about 0.02% water. Your silly strawman version of planet globe earth is only going to convince people who are as gullible as you clearly are. Keep parroting your high priest Dubay; it's making you look reeaaally smart, Honest...

[@ReValveiT_01]

@sleepyjoe8958 "show me measured earth curvature" There is an entire profession dedicated to doing exactly that, 24, 7, 365. It's called "geodetic surveying". Now go ahead and show me "measured earth flat". You won't.

[@toastthehostwiththemosttoa9922]

@sleepyjoe8958 "water globe" Earth's total mass is made up of about 0.02% water. It's always hilarious when you flerfs are forced to strawman reality to make it sound as ridiculous as possible.

[@sleepyjoe8958]

@ show me one measurement of earth’s curvature. Just one. Enough talking, you cultists have stalled long enough.

[@kevinfromvirginia1796]

Pilot here. The 757-200 has a max crosswind limitation of 28 kts for landings, and 30 kts for takeoffs. For max tailwinds it's 15 kts. These numbers are for a dry runway. Those numbers drop significantly for less than dry conditions. I'm not certain how ALE classifies an ice runway, but I doubt they would allow a max wind component for landing and takeoff.

[@flowingafterglow629]

Yeah, you can say all that, but come on, what do you know compared to a flerf? They obviously have a better idea of how to fly a 757 than you do.

[@kevinfromvirginia1796]

@flowingafterglow629 As usual.

[@dawktah2680]

Bingo!

[@Zigma123]

That sound all fine and dandy, but have you considered nu-uh?! Nathan son of Thom thanketh thee for playing 🧢

[@az8theist977]

@@Zigma123 "Nu-uh" is simply superb evidence!! It ALWAYS refutes what "they" or "them" are saying. "They" are hiding the shape of the Earth!! EVERYONE knows it!!!

[@probablynotmyname8521]

I love how they seem to think that flying to Antarctica is like flying to a city in the US. What a terribly small world they live in.

[@IsYitzach]

Flat earth works well as an approximation in small radii. It is indeed a small world they live in.

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

Nothing past 5 miles from their mom's basements exists. Very small worlds indeed.

[@andymalish9943]

Disney said it best, "It's a small world afterall

[@Ron-l9d]

Sorry.. the earth remains flat until I see DNA proofs of all bowel movements.

[@stacode]

💀

[@goldenknight578]

That should be easy to do since they had to store all of their bowel movements while in Antarctica in order to take it out with the trash when they left. I'm wondering if they remembered to ship some of that "liquid goodness" to Santos.

[@StephenWalton-g2l]

@@Ron-l9d YUCK!!

[@Vestbest70]

???

[@StephenWalton-g2l]

@goldenknight578 you are 100% right about that. I was in the Canadian Army, and we would often train in the high arctic. Because it's too cold and barren for poop to decay, we had to pack it out in garbage bags. If you got on the sergeants bad side, you got the bags. It gives the term "s__t detail" a whoe new meaning.

[@nickjohnson410]

"The most convoluted and complicated answer is probably the correct one." Occam's Razor if Occam was a Flerf

[@riluna3695]

Nah, not even that. If a simple concept looks superficially like it supports a flat earth, but closer examination proves otherwise, then you can bet they'll be harping on about how simple and obvious that explanation is and how you're just making it needlessly complicated by looking into it any closer than that. The real rule being used here is "The answer I already believe is definitively the correct one.", and they leave no room for silly things like reality to get in and muck that up.

[@skeletonwarlock5741]

Ocram's razor

[@nw42]

Occam’s Flazor?

[@Ezkanohra]

Not even specific to flerfism

[@user-ed1yx2fq7l]

@nickjohnson410 you mean like a flat stationary earth vs a spinning flying water ball traveling thousands of mph in multiple directions

[@PrototypeSpaceMonkey]

We have a saying in my country: "One madman can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer" ...but so far Dave's been doing a good job trying. Despite the burden of proof lying with the flerfs.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

The guy calls himself "sovereign soul"? I guess I shouldn't be surprised there's a crossover between flerfers and sovereign citizen types.

[@SCWillson]

Same type of mentality. Both are essentially conspiracy theories.

[@Khn_2102]

wtf is sovereign soul

[@TheStarshipGarage]

I've heard it said that Sovereign Citizens are the Flat-Earthers of the legal world.

[@allgrainbrewer10]

@@Khn_2102it’s Sov citizen crap. Morons who think they are lawyers

[@CosmicGumbo555]

Could be a Dark Souls reference, but as a souls fan I hope not

[@IvanJamesHunt]

The mental gymnastics that these people are prepared to perform is ludicrous!

[@thudthud5423]

If at first the Flat Earth lie doesn't succeed, lie, lie again.

[@PervertedThang]

They warm up first by moving the goalposts.

[@dingokidneys]

And to do all these mental gymnastics in their mom's basement, that takes special skill not to knock over the cabinet with the good china.

[@leftpastsaturn67]

If Mental Gymnastics were an Olympic sport, they'd actually achieve something. Nothing worthwhile, but they can brag about their shiny medals.

[@TedRad56]

Disabled mental gymnastics 🤪🤪

[@AngBlairNZ]

2 years ago in NZ summer we had a devastating cyclone rip thru the north island, so yes, summer isn’t all sunshine and beaches.

[@jobrown8146]

I honeymooned in October 1980 in Noosa, Queensland, Australia. The tourism advert was Queensland, beautiful one day, perfect the next. It drizzled alternate days and was cool and I had to go to the secondhand shop to buy a cardigan.

[@nzbeeman]

Hell, we even had snow on the Desert Road over the Christmas break this year

[@Zachfive]

Micro-focusing on some weird question of timelines to cast doubt on the entire TFE is the equivalent of searching couch cushions for loose change to pay the rent

[@theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580]

I like that.

[@0LoneTech]

Nah. Loose change is actually money. Spare time not spent meeting arbitrary changing flerf demands from the future is simply unrelated.

[@Black97-9]

"how we used unreal engine" XD next they are going to try and say that you modeled the entire environment in blender, and that it was simulated and animated in maya.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

That's not far off of what he's claiming ;-)

[@hartmutholzgraefe]

"Didn't you see how all the tents in the main camp were just copy/paste?" ;)

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Let's be honest, most flerfers don't have the slightest idea what Unreal Engine, Blender, or Maya are, how they work, or what it takes to create anything using those programs.

[@goldenknight578]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee They barely know how to use their phones not to mention that they still haven't figured out how to focus their beloved P1000s.

[@Taktikameise]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee Not to mention that they would have to use those tools in a live stream... multiple ones even. All those tools prerender stuff and then you can make scripted movement in a prerendered environment. That sort of live 3d rendering just doesn't exist. Anybody who rendered a large 3d model knows that. But they likely had the power of all of NASAs supercomputers... and some tech that nobody even knows about because NASA only keeps it secret in the case they need to fake a 24h sun somewhere.

[@bretsheeley4034]

So exactly how does a Free Mason in Antarctica cause a 24-hour sun there to suddenly work on a pizza planet?

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Has anyone committed to Pizza Planet, or are they all still free floating without having a single model?

[@mikey_b_here]

Magic compass?

[@resisilobus3191]

Dark magic 💀💀💀

[@brandoncontreras4909]

@@michaelsorensen7567 They've all basically realized they can't say that "this verifiably disproves flat Earth" anymore because we will easily prove them wrong. Aside from their impossible criteria that shows their misunderstandings of how reality works like "make water stick to a ball". Now, they're trying to run with making no claim aside from "Earth measures flat" so they can't give us anything to test against.

[@RancidDragonProductions]

By denying Witset wifi for 18 hours, and not paying for his mother in law to have daycare. Everyone knows that. Jeez. That makes it work.

[@roachtieler]

The main reason you do so well in this community is the calm way you go about sharing information without leaning into belittling people or being derogatory. Great work, Dave. 100% excellent content every time.

[@patchso]

Great comment.

[@Nate-bd8fg]

He lets the flerfs speak for themselves on that part.😂 cant top that

[@ronnyskaar3737]

The flight can be played back in Flight Radar 24. These folks are simply unbelievable. Cudos to you for keeping talking to them. It will never end.

[@Alsadius]

Clearly that's just part of the fake! So is the sun matching exactly what the globe says, and this being a publicly available trip anyone can take any time (even incognito, if you don't want them turning on the sky laser or whatever just for you), and all of the other stuff that flat earthers find inconvenient. Weird how they didn't think to check if there was snow in their fake Antarctica, though. They thought of everything, other than "we should have some snow". The ways of The Man are mysterious, but maybe with a few more bong hits I'll be able to figure it out.

[@Tvngsten]

b-b-b-but they also control flight radar! Because once, there was a flight that wasn't shown on flight radar, so if they can hide some, surely they can add some fake ones too!

[@Yehan-xt7cw]

Well... FR24 does show Qantas 27 and 28 (Sydney - Santiago) never crossing the equator. This mean FR24 is fake too.

[@Alsadius]

@Yehan-xt7cw Why would it cross the equator? The great circle route between them goes south of New Zealand, and across the south Pacific. Not as far south as Antarctica, but still fairly southerly.

[@thomasw.eggers4303]

@@Alsadius The flerfers are using a flat-earth map, not a global map.

[@rrbb5687]

This people don't need proofs or arguments. They need mental healthcare.

[@obiwanshinobi87]

To be fair.. I doubt these people have traveled outside of their town.. let alone ever been on a plane

[@tranquilitybase6417]

Because they’re afraid of running in to the fake dome.

[@Fozcine]

@@tranquilitybase6417I suspect they've never been outside their own basement.

[@Mocking_Muppets]

@@Fozcine Mum's basement at that...

[@josemembreno3134]

Observations about a light in the sky don't disprove Flat Earth, yet observations about a boot under a table disprove the globe.... how funny.

[@Joemamahahahaha821]

Flat earthers have been saying for years you can’t go to Antarctica and you can’t see a 24 hour sun there. Sorry bud. Reality sucks when you were duped into denying it by internet conmen and idiots who need to feel important.

[@Basics4Dumm135]

@@Joemamahahahaha821 When I read the first sentence I thought he was parroting flerf nonsense too. But then I read the second one and noticed he was being sarcastic. lol

[@jobrown8146]

@@Basics4Dumm135 Me too. Glad it was a short comment so I read the whole thing.

[@benj1008]

Good one! 😂

[@NWolfsson]

I'll raise you one: They say observing a light in the sky doesn't indicate what shape the ground is, yet they use (poorly observed and badly concluded) shadows to say that the Sun is local/small and that this proves that the Earth is flat. Kettle, pot, black, all that jazz.

[@snjar_6321]

I love how this has turned from a Flat Earth argument to a "Did these guys actually go to Antarctica?" argument they're deflecting so hard cause they cant prove otherwise

[@SuV33358]

Exactly

[@murdoc4794]

Dave's the best debunker there is! Another banger!

[@akastewart]

I think McKeegan’s particular brand of methodical and reasonable argumentation goes a whole lot further and makes for a far more compelling and constructive argument than Toon’s and FTFE’s juvenile, ‘drama’-chasing approach. As far as FE debunker rankings go, imo, he’s the only S-Tier in the pack.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

I place Mick West on the same level. Absolutely simple science, no insults, just evidence. Mick is also a software engineer and writes a lot of apps to use to debunk flat earth and UFOs, etc. Its so relaxing to watch his videos. The conspiracy clowns hate him as well and cast every insult you can imagine which he completely ignores.

[@iandawe948]

Sciman dan and creaky blinder are pretty good too

[@akastewart]

@ I find SMD to be too focused on mockery, which, as with Toon and FTFE, gets tired pretty quickly. I subbed to CB on and off for a spell, but I find him a bit too choppy and that it takes forever to get to a point. Plus, his content also centres on mockery. Each has carved out their space in the ‘marketplace’, but I lean towards those for whom FE debunking is more about education than entertainment. (I’m an old fart with an intact attention span who prefers to watch genuine attempts to change minds, rather than watch two people insult each other into intransigence.)

[@murdoc4794]

@@akastewart Could not agree more! Perfectly said! I watched about two videos from FTFE as well before I unsubbed and blocked his channel. That kind of behavior is not helpful. Fight lies with facts, not name calling and childish mockery. Be better.

[@shaneh7519]

An old man making incoherent rumblings about the flight date changes is really the best they’ve got? I’m so confused as to where he was going with that theory

[@kristalpower292]

That’s not how the world works apparently from his sheltered room. Gies he’s never seen Alaskan bush pilots or taken any flight. Yes normal flights aren’t brought that far forward but weather and flights in the Arctic Circle and Antartica.

[@troywilliams844]

he's not going anywhere with it, he's just tryigng to find ANYTHING that can be considered "odd" to pull down the whole experiment. Like if they can point at anything from the trip (I swear next they'll want to see proof of them packing their suitcases personally) then the whole trip is debunked. Imagine Dave says he had Pasta for dinner one night during the trip but someone digs through the rubbish and sees a receipt that says he ate a hamburger then they'll scream "SEE! THEY LIED! THE WHOLE THING WAS FAKE!"

[@penkatadrums]

Yes me too 😂

[@h14hc124]

Just a classic flerf "attack", in that if they can find anything they think is a 'gottcha' thread and pull on it, then in their minds, it invalidates everything about the trip, and therefore uhhh... the earth is flat.

[@0LoneTech]

He's not going anywhere. The whole point is to not acknowledge that he's wrong and lying. He just wants to pretend to have high ground by making incessant demands, no matter how nonsensical. There's no theory, just baseless accusation.

[@cinnamonrollypoly]

You have the patience of a saint, Dave. Excellent video as always.

[@ctsean]

10:30 The flightradar proof is my favorite part of their conspiracy theorizing. The amount of completely unrelated people working together to keep it a secret is simply impossible. Same as the Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile flight. Impossible on a flat Earth, yet it goes back and forth 7 times a week (it landed 2 hours ago) and every single person with knowledge of the flight is helping hide the truth?

[@ImperrfectStranger]

I'm sure flight radar can be spoofed, but what can't be spoofed is 10's of thousands of passengers seeing/leaving Sydney at a certain time and 12 (13 or whatever) hours later, seeing Santiago. I'm sure I fuelled up a few of these aircraft going to Santiago and there weren't 3 times the fuel required for a flight to the west coast of the US (which the aircraft would have to fly over on a pizza earth to get to Chile)

[@ctsean]

@@ImperrfectStrangerand all it would take for flat earthers to “disprove” the reality of this flight is one in each airport and a 14 hour livestream - but I’m gonna bet that never happens.

[@sparking023]

I wonder how flerfs cope with the proof against their model that is *the entirety of the southern hemisphere,* in which I happen to live. I guess we don't exist lol

[@Clara-bv9dr]

I think this video really highlights how conspiracies like this are often formed and perpetuated. A person sees a few details that they don't understand about something, then immediately assume said details are inconsistencies. Since it obviously couldn't be that they just don't understand some things, then what could possibly be the reason there so many inconsistencies? There's only one explanation: Aliens.

[@GlutenEruption]

It's also the ego boost they crave - that they are actually one of the few people smart and clever enough to figure out this privileged secret truth that only a few people in the world know, which means they're actually smarter than all the scientists and engineers and mathematicians and the people calling them dumb, etc., who are just fools.

[@suzannepottsshorts]

Could be Silurians? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@FlightlessAviator]

And remember, if at first you don't understand? It's definitely aliens. - LEMINO

[@niveketihw1897]

If a person can't believe this trip took place and can't believe the planet is a sphere, but rather believes everything is a conspiracy / hoax, I question whether that person could ever believe ANYTHING. What a miserable, post-modern hell it would be to never believe anything...

[@mjallen1308]

I question whether that person should be voting in elections that affect the rest of us that live in reality.

[@Fozcine]

@@niveketihw1897 I think most of them are fundamentalist christians who believe, among other things, that scientists are all controlled by satan. But they never lead with that. Always it's about shadows in photos. But deep down, it's because their fundamentalist pastor told them so. There's no way of arguing with that sort of person.

[@h14hc124]

@@mjallen1308 .. Conversely, it's in certain party's interests for the voting population to be poorly educated and as a result, easily manipulated into voting against their own interests

[@petrie911]

@@mjallen1308 Denying people votes because of their beliefs has never gone awry in the past.

[@synthetic240]

They tend to have an impossibly high standard of evidence when it comes to science: their personal experience. Yet when offered to go and get some first-hand experience, most of them said "no" and bravely ran away. And whenever some attention-seeking liar (or trolling debunker) hands them anecdotal evidence that agrees with their position, they immediately and uncritically post about it. They think they're "doing their own research" but their child-like minds literally don't know what they're missing. Dave expected them to get flight data directly from a publicly-available source, but it didn't even occur to them to ask or consider if such data exists.

[@rueyyang]

I'm waiting for the day when Flerfs go on an epic trip to map the Flat Earth to validate their model instead of just shooting their mouths' off in their comfortable homes

[@ErocNelson88]

We are still waiting for that spinning ball to appear. It ain’t happening.

[@bikesnacks]

​@@ErocNelson88we're still waiting for you to have a coherent model that can explain anything

[@mikeuk666]

​@ErocNelson88 please don't skip school kid 😂

[@maxgustafsson7802]

​@@ErocNelson88 were you actually born in 1988? Or do those digits mean something else?

[@ErocNelson88]

@ attack the messenger with zero to show for evidence. One of the tall tale signs of defeat. A child repeating what his teacher tells him doesn’t = intelligence

[@Ardren]

Wow, they're really concerned about everything **but** the 24-hour sun.

[@mrhollio2]

they will never be convinced which begs the question: why wouldn't they go and just prove it themselves? answer: that would prove their claims are ridiculous and they lose them their followers, their money, and their self-worth

[@woohan6430]

If only there was a TFE where they could go there themselves….. 😅

[@SeanCrosser]

Or an Antarctic tour thing that they could pay money and go on.

[@Theblindingofissac]

If only if only. lol

[@martinconnelly1473]

For a lot lower cost the flerfs in North America can go to Havana, or the same latitude in Mexico, about the June solstice. There they can observe if the globe prediction that the Sun will rise due east travel in a straight line to set due west 12 hours later at 15° per hour with unchanging size and be directly overhead at noon, half way through its passage across the sky. All motions are with respect to a frame of reference of a person on the Earth. They will not do this any more than they will go to the coast next to an ocean and risk seeing boats and ships going over the horizon and disappearing bottom first. It does not take long for observations like this to disprove any idea of a flat earth they can come up with.

[@kdizzy07]

They wouldn't go. It's pretty much career suicide and I don't think they can earn a living from anything else.

[@NoRemorse81]

The 'do your own research brigade ' don't practice what they preach.

[@juakco]

I'm from Punta Arenas, it is small for sure, you can probably visit the most touristic stuff in one day (I'm talking only about the city itself, because there is stuff outside the city that is worth visiting if you have the time, as travel times to those parts are usually above an hour in a highway)

[@Nate-bd8fg]

His reply at 30:23 is the smoking gun. Only interested in preserving himself, not finding the truth. If you call them out on thier own claims, they will always backpeddle. Simply because they make money off of lying.

[@andrewjohnston6631]

Sov is even lying about why he abandoned the sun’s movement as proof of the globe. The day after he first said it he had a livestream where he said that he’d been investigating and decided that there were “certain optical phenomena” that could possibly explain it. We never heard what these purported phenomena were. Out of nowhere we now hear that it wouldn’t disprove flat earth. But of course he hasn’t bothered to explain how it works on flat earth.

[@irfanbey958]

I said it before and I'll say it again: Everyone of those flerfs who had an opportunity to go to Antarctica (especially for free) and didn't, has no saying in this whatsoever.

[@ChocoLater1]

No one cares what you said before

[@OriginalOmgCow]

Yeah, that's pretty clear, because otherwise there would be some accountability.

[@bigfatbruce]

But Fkatzoid didn't receive a formal invitation.

[@alanrcastro8580]

@@ChocoLater1 you seems to care

[@rudolfquerstein6710]

@@bigfatbruce To be fair he at least was not offered a free trip. However Nathan Oakley, David Weiss and Eric Dubay got a free invite.

[@russellflagg8519]

Sovereign Soul, Unused Mind.

[@The_real_Arovor]

😂

[@itsmeagain7825]

Unhinged mind*

[@unknowjondoe]

Is the reason that they don't understand the date of the flight moving up because they don't understand what a chartered flight is? Do they think that you had to fly like Delta airlines to get down to Antarctica? Because that's the only way their thought process of why the flight would only change hours and not days would work.

[@-SaKage]

It seems like Flerfs totally forgot people are supposed to show up DAYS early for the flight to Antarctica, just for stuff like this. So they think, people that were supposed to go to Antarctica on the 18th would have needed an extra flight on the 18th... although they didn't do that flight, because of bad weather so... Flerfs are just stupid I guess?

[@SciTrekMan]

They don’t understand the difference between their ass and elbow.

[@bluedistortions]

Those choose to not understand every single detail of reality, stubbornly, and when corrected with a great deal of precision and patience, they never apologize or admit their error. It's a "theory" based in character flaws, not stupidity. The few honest ones will work their way out, as it's quite difficult to unintentionally remain in that level of ignorance.

[@tin2001]

Yes... I think they don't understand that it's a private jet. They can go whatever days they need to because they're paying to use the aircraft whenever they want to.

[@SciTrekMan]

@ I think they’re pretending not to know it’s a chartered jet.

[@GeorgeCilley]

23:20 The answer was 'We rested and worked.' Two things they simply do not understand.

[@bluedistortions]

Yep they'd rather sit there and drunk-stream, collecting donations, coming up with every nit pick they can think of, which ends up just showing they either don't understand how anything works, even simple things like batteries warming under use, or else they are dishonest grifters no different than the crypto/NFT bros.

[@johnbuyers8095]

Ah, the infamous ‘remove one shoe, roll up the other trouser leg, and stand in a bucket of custard’ ritual.

[@underverse2006]

Sovereign is arguing about Summer in Antarctica weather, but the flat earth wouldn't account for a summer in the "ice wall." The only way to have Summer in Antarctica is a globe. He's accepted globe logic for Summer to argue against Summer weather.

[@Imugi007]

It's not worth it Dave. These guys had the opportunity to make the trip themselves. They were too scared to have their grift ruined. Nothing you do or say will ever convince them. They're morons and grifters.

[@mjjoe76]

True, but the goal of refuting flerfs is to keep others from falling for the conspiracy theories. Alas, ignoring conspiracy theories just allows them to spread.

[@riluna3695]

It's absolutely worth it. The goal isn't to convince the people making flat earth videos, the goal is to force them to make more and more unreasonable claims so that anyone watching their videos who actually cares about the truth can see for themselves that it isn't found on those channels. There are always people like that. They may be the minority, but that's only because they're inherently the group most likely to permanently leave over time. Minds are being changed, and lives are being saved. This won't end belief in flat earth, but it makes it clear for all the world to see who has their shit together and who is desperate to make excuses and ignore the reality right in front of their eyes. None of that gets done if the people fighting these claims all leave. Then the only voices on the subject are the flat earthers, and no one is forcing them to a standard too high for them to reach. People like Dave are absolutely critical. They teach countless people the finer points of the world we live in, raising their immunity to misinformation. It may never work on everyone, because some people want money, some people want to feel smart or special, and some people have biological issues that make critical thought far more difficult, but that is not the sum total of the Flat Earth movement. And if it ever is, it's only because everyone else has already been saved from it.

[@tjwiets6691]

Flat Earth Dave could pay for himself and several more flat earthers to go on this same trip with that 3 bitcoin he's claiming to be offering in his own "challenge".

[@marambula]

nah, none of these low level losers was invited afaik. their leader imbecile eric was the first to be offered iirc the interview from the organizer will duffy. after he wimped out they went to jeran and he was like “omg are y’all gonna secretly kidnap me or kill me? i’d feel safer if I could bring my friend dipshit”. and so it was jeran and dipshit who went. but they are masonic plants and they are not real christians anymore. a fan (woman) went after people crowdsourced her “golden ticket” since some people hyped up a golden ticket but never actually offered to pay for her. I don’t know who (nor do i care) who crowdsourced for her but that’s her story. Also candace owens the shillQueen wanted to go but according to the group she got sick and had one of her employees (or producer? manager? whatever who give a shit) went in her place. tldr: these guys are tools.

[@michaelsorensen7567]

Interestingly, Dave loses out on money if flerfs cease existing too. Counter grift? Or is it not grift because he's just defending truth? Or....? Just a weird thought I had

[@DarkGod86]

I travelled to Japan late last year with friends. We're all geeks so of course we got hotels in Akihabara for all the tech, gaming, and anime. First afternoon after landing I got hit with sensory overload from the fatigue when we went in Don Quixote's to find some amenities we'd neglected and went back to my hotel room for a two hour nap before we got dinner. Travel is exhausting, jet lag is real, and I cannot even imagine how much that would be magnified having spent 3 days before in one of the most inhospitable places on Earth with the sun up all night and literally spending one of those without sleeping to watch it.

[@ozsheila55]

That's the dumbest argument ever. I think I would have slept for 24 hrs.

[@mrhaff]

How you are able to present a reasoned and sensible argument without losing your shit I'll never know.

[@Wharferine]

flat earth is a mental illness

[@Muritaipet]

I confess I thought the "ssum" in the title was a typo. Well done sir. Very clever.

[@mhansl]

Like anyone faced with clear, overwhelming evidence which contradicts their preconceived notions, they are desperate. This is why we need to teach critical thinking skills in schools.

[@marscience7819]

Batteries get warm as they charge. Did the Ted Nugent look-alike not know this? A Boot, especially one designed for Antarctica, would be an excellent place to put a charging battery.

[@NOPEGENX]

I realised there would be a lack of Copium in the world but it also turns out there's now a shortage of straws. Great video Dave.

[@shogiwar]

The sun is observed in the sky for 3 days straight. From the 14th to the 17th. Would the 1 extra day of observing the sun in Antarctica on the 18th have convinced them the earth is not flat....?

[@5peciesunkn0wn]

No, they're just trying to find any excuse lol.

[@trokey66]

If 30 years in Her Britannic Majesties Royal Air Force taught me nothing else, it is that 'scheduled' flights rarely leave as planned for a whole raft of reasons!

[@tin2001]

That's what I don't get about their argument... Even ordinary scheduled flights get delayed or cancelled. Going early is rare because, well, the passengers might not show up, but even that happens occasionally with scheduled flights for various reasons.

[@vinny142]

"There is not going to be a snowstorm in summer" Who said it was a snowstorm? Oh that's right, the flerfs did.

[@akastewart]

This is part of the problem. They gather and make up ‘facts’ based on their limited understanding of the actual facts and events. They lack that part of the brain that makes them realise that they’re just speculating and, as such, shouldn’t assert anything as fact. They don’t formulate questions and then ask them. They formulate questions then create their own answers, based on their own pre-formed conclusions and biases. People genuinely interested in truth would wait until they can ask. But they’re fundamentally broken thinkers, and too ignorant to realise it.

[@DavePoo2]

Tell that to Buxton, Derbyshire in the UK

[@bluedistortions]

"I thought there was no snow in Antarctica, so what other kind of storm is there?" WIND 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@LadyDath]

Actually I would assume there would be MORE snowstorms in the summer in Antarctica. Note, it was still cold there. When it gets really cold, it tends not to snow, summer is warmer than winter, so it is probably very possible to get more snow in the summer than in the winter. I will admit I am not an expert here, but I do know that extreme cold tends to produce less snow, than temps closer to the freezing point of water.

[@guyman1570]

That!! ​@@bluedistortions

[@alvin2021]

These flerfs going round and round trying to nitpick every aspect of the trip, ffs JUST GO THERE YOURSELVES!!!

[@LittleFishes674]

They're not serious about really knowing the truth.

[@7th-derp41]

They could've, but most refused.

[@JW-mb6tq]

Will D. tried to get many to come. It was a huge pain to get the four they ended up with.

[@bikesnacks]

@@alvin2021 they don't even have to go to Antarctica. Anywhere south of the tropic of Capricorn will show the same basic thing

[@bigfatbruce]

Do any of them have jobs and money to take the trip? I doubt most of them even finished high school let alone college.

[@CristianNazare]

My screen is flat, so if the earth can be a picture on my screen then the earth is flat! Awesome video, glad to see flerfs rambling on about insignifiant facts like "why did you go a day early, what did you do in town" and then chickening out when presented with facts.

[@sismith5427]

Always amazed how some people will become so fixated on a theory, they become unable to process all the evidence that the theory is wrong, are they just incapable of rational thought, they just grasp and grasp at ever more outlandish straws, but wont even do a few simple experiments that would settle the argument for themselves. Its like watching a brain glitch... failure to compute... failure to compute... failure to compute

[@ShadowManceri]

They don't get fixated on a theory. It's not even a hypothesis. It's a story, or conspiracy lie. Calling it a theory gives it too much credit.

[@DaveZee823]

Muh Bible .

[@LSA30]

These people are walking Windows blue screens😂

[@feandil666]

they claim it's about logic, but it's always been about faith.

[@Imugi007]

​​​@@feandil666I don't believe it's even faith. It's a grift. They know they're full of shit. If they cared so much about the truth, why didn't they go? Because they don't care about the truth. They care about their KZbin channels, and that would come to a very quick end when they can no longer bury their audience with bullshit.

[@merrillhess5626]

The fact that flat earthers are quibbling about somehting as inconsequential as flight times shows just how desperate they are to discount TFE. They have reached the end of their rope and the cannot let go.

[@roytee3127]

Flerfers burrowing deeper and deeper into denial.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

This is why debating flat earthers is pointless unless it’s just for the sake of educating everyone else about the earth/space. There is no proof that will ever convince them unless/until they understand why something is irrefutable proof in the first place. Which they don’t. (Hence why eclipses aren’t good enough) No matter what proof is demonstrated, they’ll just say it’s fake. Their beliefs aren’t falsifiable in the first place.

[@mjjoe76]

You hit the nail on the head. The goal of refuting flerfs is to keep others from falling for the conspiracy theories. Like any conspiracy theory, ignoring it just allows it to spread.

[@Bnio]

Exactly. The best purpose of these flat-earth debunks is that it educates against sloppy thinking. And we get to learn some cool photography and space stuff to boot.

[@mrluckduck1558]

Exactly

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Their beliefs are totally falsifiable, they just adhere to "nuh-uh" as a valid argument.

[@inrainbows1829]

The Bible doesn't lie

[@IceyJones]

never forget......those ppl are allowed to VOTE!

[@kathleenmccrory9883]

We know. And they did. 😢

[@JacquelineVanRyn-k3l]

That's what scares me the most. Someone this uninformed and uneducated cannot comprehend the gravity of voting.

[@with_palo]

​@@kathleenmccrory9883 Kamala obviously

[@TJ-o7f]

FErs don’t vote DA it’s a waste of time

[@crooker2]

And they did... Which is why you're in this current political pickle.

[@SukiBapswent]

These people are so immersed and isolated in their little conspiracy world that they have lost all concept of how ridiculous their ideas and declarations seem to normal, functioning members of society.

[@Paine981]

I seriously think that the moment they refused to go on the trip they also denied their right to question anything about it. You had a chance to go yet you refused so sorry, you have no right to say that it was fake. None whatsoever. Period "...logs of our bowel movements so he can check none of these timings is sus either" - ok that was hilarious

[@aeromoe]

Flerfs furiously mining all the copium they can since TFE. I love all this footage from Antarctica

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

Watching them flip out has been incredibly hilarious. It's like watching a doomsday cult come to grips with the fact that the world didn't end on the day they thought it was supposed to.

[@endleontiozae7061]

God forbid a human sleeps 🙄

[@lordofjojos]

First of all ... WTF happened to all the claims that no one is ever allowed to go there? Is that the sound of goalposts moving?

[@d.charlespyle]

And... "Where are the guns, Nathan?!?"

[@giin97]

Oh, they're still around. Some flerfs are arguing that there's a secret giant LED sphere somewhere like in Vegas that they flew to and stayed in as a simulated environment.

[@FlywithMagnar]

The flat earthers are desperate if the biggest conspiracy they can find is a change in the flight schedule.

[@riddleywalker2676]

"I don't understand anything therefore you are wrong".

[@NoRemorse81]

That pretty much sums them up. 👍

[@angelikaopland7880]

That was part of "Dr. Dino" Hovind's schtick on his old creationist web site too: "I can't comprehend the number 6 billion, therefore the Earth can only be 6,000 years old."

[@rafetizer]

Well for having not gone to Antarctica one thing is certain; those guys are Antarctica experts.

[@st.peterunner8758]

You're so thorough and patient with your responses, but these lying idiots don't even deserve it

[@Aurora666_yt]

The flerfs are on damage control panic mode.

[@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245]

Flatzoid still refuses to take $500 from me to read live 20 abstracts each from the Journal of Geophysical Research and the Journal of Astronomy and Astrophysics.

[@sheltongolden4394]

Only the abstracts?! That's basically free money. Is he _that_ afraid of information?

[@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245]

@sheltongolden4394 Apparently. He's blocked me on KZbin comments and when I superchat the challenge during a "debate" he says I am a troll. He initially agreed on livestream but immediately backtracked.

[@tin2001]

​@@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245 Does he refund the super chats? I'm fairly sure streamers can do that. It would be wrong to accept the money while disagreeing so aggressively 😂

[@thegrumpyoldmechanic6245]

​@@tin2001The superchats are to others.

[@brendamartin3444]

And just think… the entire time you were there, no soldiers showed up to shoot you!! How do these people explain being in Antartica unmolested by the military they say stops everyone from coming there…

[@jpgonzalez6043]

“WHERE’S THE GUNS NATHAN!!!!!….. WHERE’S THE GUNS???””” 😂😂😂

[@Muritaipet]

And the irony of the first ever Chilean Air Force landing at Union Glacier. Which they use to prove flat earth.

[@troywilliams844]

they'll probably say 1-"you never went to Antartica" or 2-"they allowed you to land to further the globe conspiracy"

[@twinturbostang]

It must be incredibly frustrating going on the trip of a lifetime to Antarctica only to come back and have ignorant people claim (without a shred of evidence) that you never went. Like, they had the chance to go themselves, all expenses paid. Yet they declined, and then have the audacity to claim you didn't go. I mean... WTF?!?!

[@Tallorian]

Imagine the same, but with a trip to the Moon...

[@twinturbostang]

@@Tallorian Hah! Good point!

[@Dnyn]

These idiots didn't go and say it's fake. It's so easy to not be there and call it fake

[@ceejay0137]

Whereas Jeran _was_ there and has now conceded the Earth is not flat.

[@ozsheila55]

Imagine getting the chance to go there - for free! Crazy to say no to such an experience. They must have no sense of wonder in this amazing planet.

[@matydrum]

The "boot massonic claim" has me giggling every time! FFS what's going on in those people lives?😅

[@d.charlespyle]

Especially for me! I've been a Freemason for decades and I have never seen or heard anything that indicates that a boot has Masonic significance. And I'm a Master of the Royal Secret, 32°, and a Knight Commander of the Court of Honour!

[@leftpastsaturn67]

Nothing meaningful is going on in these people's lives, just play acting da flat erff.

[@markrudolph3824]

Yeah, these masonic fanboys need to get out of the house and enjoy reality more often.

[@clivedavis6859]

I probably do masonic things all the time. I have no idea what they are and don't care anyway.

[@marambula]

sorrow, confusion, anger, shill goals

[@dat2ra]

Flerthers are so fixated on conspiracies, if there are none, they will create them.

[@alanmichael5619]

21:00 - Flat Earthers confused about the concept that going to Antarctica and doing over 24 hours awake in one go might be tiring.

[@DiscoCol08]

Another brilliant video, thanks for explaining everything so clearly

[@Lord-Sméagol]

Flerfs need their goal posts mounted on motorized dolleys because they are constantly moving them!

[@TheObsessedPatriot]

It's like watching common sense and insanity playing rock paper scissors.

[@shaneeslick]

PS Can you give Rusty🐶🤗 a cuddle from Uncle Shane, Bilbo my furry neighbour of 10yrs passed away on Sunday morning, he was 18. He was a very good mate who took me for walks & gave comfort through some very hard emotional times, like his Mum & Dad I too am missing him very much 🐶🥰.

[@lukasp5892]

They’re treating this like a criminal investigation.. and it’s frankly hilarious

[@m80coco]

It’s amusing how ssum appears to be an adult male, yet his level of comprehension doesn’t align with that impression.

[@Alsadius]

Drugs are a hell of a drug.

[@ThoughtandMemory]

Yep. Turns out he’s an idiot trapped inside an old man’s body.

[@partscasterpaul]

It's like a bunch of kids who just found out that Santa Claus isn't real, and they just can't accept it.

[@shovelheadsteve1172]

@@Alsadius Not all drugs are bad m'kay. 🤪

[@ThoughtandMemory]

@ what?! No! Say it ain’t sooooo!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alvin2021]

Any flerfs here early to get some coping in???

[@Globe_Reality]

I hear them running this way now

[@ThoughtandMemory]

@@Globe_Realityand a wailing and gnashing of flerf teeth was heard across the globe 😂

[@JacquelineVanRyn-k3l]

I've unfortunately never seen flat earth comments. I would quite like to argue with them, it seems like an unproductive but fun use of my time.

[@Alsadius]

@@JacquelineVanRyn-k3l Sort comments by "Newest first", not by "Top comments", and you'll see a decent number of them. Especially on older videos - there's usually the initial rush of comments from subscribers, and then a later trickle of people who come by later and want to argue with it.

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

They usually don't watch these videos. They watch long and vacuous streams by their gurus repeating the same debunked objections and comment, "yes, TFE is totally fake and satanic."

[@Lord-Sméagol]

Rusty understands it, but he knows it's futile trying to explain it to flerfs; It gives him a headache just trying to think down to their level!

[@adamwalker3560]

I asked a Free Mason I happen to know about the boot thing. That's apparently complete b.s., or at the very least, he had never heard of it, and thought it was the most laughable nonsense he had ever heard about supposed "Masonic rituals". Go figure.

[@fepeerreview3150]

I've never heard of it either.

[@inrainbows1829]

Masons can not disclose there rituals My Dad and Grandfather were Masons I left that home years ago and never looked back best decision I ever made The amount of pedophilia the Masons cover up is insane

[@Sableagle]

There's a freemason lodge just up the road. I could go and ask them.

[@brucebaxter6923]

Scheduled services in Antarctica were delayed? wtf? It’s not easy to get there at all, let alone at any particular time.

[@Dvids85]

It's so weird that once you've explained all of this. They're going to carry on looking for all kinds of irrelevant bs just like they always did. Such sad people.

[@heyspookyboogie644]

It’s hilarious there’s so much argument about whether you went to Antarctica on the 17th or 18th when some of the fundamental flat earth precepts is that A. Antarctica is a giant ice wall B. No civilian is allowed to go there C. It’s a ring and not a singular location. You’d think going there at all would disprove all 3 of those. But apparently that’s only the case if you went there on a particular day?

[@mackenzieg.3424]

The level of mental gymnastics is astounding.

[@mikehewison787-9]

What I wouldn't give to be at the controls of that 757! I'm a bit rusty on the type but it still says 757/767 on my license...🤣

[@roberthahn6496]

Notice how they keep saying “up here in the north” or down in the south. On a flat earth wouldn’t it just be “over here or over there”??

[@acefox1]

21:19 “No way did they sleep all day in Chile on the 18th.” My wife and I flew across the US from Washington to Florida for a cruise last November. Our flight out was changed to a red-eye flight the week before. When we landed we were exhausted. Couldn’t sleep on the plane. We’d been awake for 24 hours. We slept a good part of that day and night in the hotel catching up on the sleep we missed. I can’t imagine how exhausted the TFE group must have been once returning to Chile.

[@kilerkiler1]

For people who don't believe they went Antarctica, they sure argue a lot about what flights to Antarctica should be like.

[@Lassisvulgaris]

Still can't explain the live streams....

[@mikefochtman7164]

WRT the boot-gate. Dave also mentioned putting hand-warmers in the boot. We use them a lot up north in winter. Simple, slow-speed chemical reaction that generates a bit of heat. Put them in your boots or backs of your gloves, or just your pocket to grab occasionally. So the thick insulation of the boot keeps the heat from the handwarmers inside, nice and toasty warm. But apparently the flat-earther, who 'knows' that boots get cold outside, doesn't want to think about that. But then, what flat-earther likes to think in the first place. lol

[@DaveMcKeegan]

To be fair, I don't think I specified the hand warmers in my answer to Flatzoid - but either way, the batteries themselves produce heat, plus it's common knowledge that wearing black clothes on a sunny day, you can feel the heat on your body much more than when you wear white, so the boot itself would still heat up a bit

[@jobrown8146]

@@DaveMcKeegan I carry a large white square cotton scarf in the car so that when I'm driving and wearing black I tuck it into my top. I've also placed a light coloured towel over my lap when I've got hot wearing dark blue jeans.

[@jetplaneflyer]

@@DaveMcKeegan Even if (hypothetically) the boot didnt actually work in keeping the batty warm, how does that change anything? Like the date of your return, it's totally irrelevant. They are focussing on about these meaningless absurdities because they have no answers to the actual findings of the experiments. It's comical to watch.

[@mikefochtman7164]

@ Well maybe I need to go back and watch the livestream again, the one where you lift up the boot from under the table and explain. But I thought that's where I first heard you mention the hand-warmers. If not, sorry about that. Still, his 'expert' that went off yacking about overnight cold boots and all, missed the internal heat-source either way.

[@DaveMcKeegan]

@mikefochtman7164 I probably did mention the hand warmers during the stream in Antarctica, but when I was debating Flatzoid about it the other week I forgot to specify about them being in there as well

[@TheRealJoeKing732]

I wouldn't give FlatZ the time of day much less a debate.

[@Sonia_Blade21-11]

ikr he's such an obstinant cocky cretin

[@clivedavis6859]

He doesn't understand time zone either.