1 Atheist vs 25 Christians (feat. Alex O'Connor) | Surrounded

[@CosmicSkeptic]

Thanks for having me!

[@rustyroma-]

u r the goat 🙏

[@Furioushunter]

yo goat

[@Li0nHearted]

You’re incredibly well spoken

[@user-so3yw8tr1x]

FINALLY!! I wanted something like this to happen😂 didn't expect you to be the atheist

[@rickdalton9351]

youre welcome alex (intrinsically)

[@ActionRicker]

Probably the most respectful version of this style of debate yet

[@404Limit]

I find it disrespectful for him to ignore the axiom of creation which out weighs the axion of numbers, for every number is created. He cant name a single thing without a creator.

[@crainex5857]

that is alex for ya

[@michaelhenton159]

@@crainex5857 it’s Christian ethics, of which Alex is a subscriber

[@crainex5857]

@ they were calm not just because alex was debunking them with pure articulacy but also because they would give him moral highground otherwise

[@michaelhenton159]

@ Not surprised that an atheist assumes *only* malicious motives to people regardless of whether they know them or not 🤣

[@ElleWFrost]

I would love a "Former Christians vs Former Atheists" debate.

[@RedPanda19861]

Thats genius! Id love to see that debate

[@steven13929]

All Christians are former atheists

[@3miL_2012]

This^

[@peanutbloop]

That is such a great idea

[@Nandopr]

Theres no former atheist

[@SillyGillian]

The Asian guy that said genocide is just even if it includes babies because babies can sin too should definitely be put on a watchlist. Like what???

[@joe94c]

He genuinely sounded unstable

[@Bibbedibob]

Love how Alex makes the point that this topic is all the more relevant with the undertones of today's conflict in Israel-Palestine

[@ImeneFreelance]

@@joe94che could be a zio… simple

[@Yapity111]

That's a pretty standard Christian belief actually. That all people are sinful and worthy of death from birth because of Adam and Eve eating a fruit. If you were to see that guy how he treats his kids, you'd see he doesn't live according to what he says.

[@ezequieltinocojr6334]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jonathan6241]

Haven’t watched the entire thing yet, but what surprises me most is how capable Alex is at adapting to whoever he talks to. You literally see him adjust his vocabulary and choice of examples to meet everyone where they’re at

[@YTPxG]

The mark of brilliance...

[@khanshiranyor3974]

The best way to convey your message to the other person is to respect their intelligence.

[@isa-ee7lq]

Different people,but most have the same patterns of believing.

[@FinalFantasyXDen-br4to]

Alex is a great representative for reasonable and rational Atheists. People like Sam Harris and Matt Dillahunty have been infected with the Woke Mind Virus. I used to look up to them, but now I think they're disgusting and not worth paying any attention to.

[@impo9645]

I can do that to

[@genfox1g913]

Most intense book club meeting ever

[@suga3774]

Most intense bible study group session ever

[@myssadonno2759]

Underrated comment

[@ZakariaImrani-jp3pl]

The Prophet Mohamed , peace and blessings be upon him, said, “protect yourself against the Hellfire, even with half of a date of fruit in charity. If one cannot find it, then with a kind word, ohhh people you heard what prophet Mohamed said , help the poor with some money with that you can and feed the poor and be generous to the poor, you have to become Muslim to get benefits of your charity in the after life and in your grave, you have to be a Muslim to benefit from your goods in the after life and in your grave

[@user-do2te1jo7m]

Crazyyy😭😭😭

[@EMDS04]

Made me chuckle

[@DJGolfman]

Alex's ability to recall information is incredible

[@2012gallina]

Elite schools help with that

[@bustopher5837]

This is basically his job so

[@mohammedsaif2332]

​@@2012gallina he went to elite school because of his abilities

[@NoWeights_NoProblem]

If you think this is extraordinary you should watch ahmed deedat or zakir naik

[@FountainOfLamneth]

@NoWeights_NoProblem lol

[@Della.Chambers]

'Alex knocked it out of the park. Knowing when to stay high level philosophical, or diving into the minutiae. Great analogies along the way...

[@cnachopchopnewsagency]

Hi baby.. you know what else that is not minute and can stay high and hard as rock? 😉

[@sarahh5273]

👏👏👏 totally agree!

[@REGGO420]

I definitely agree 💯 Are you agnostic or atheist?

[@KeepItCivilPlease293]

Bot

[@paintedhorse6880]

​@@REGGO420Those two things aren't exactly contradictory. Most Athiests are agnostic.

[@marianikolaou2751]

As an atheist, I couldn't have chosen someone better to represent us (at least from the younger generation). Bravo Alex!

[@kstephane1444]

Maybe Ricky Gervais

[@marianikolaou2751]

​@@kstephane1444 Sure, though Alex - because he has studied theology and all its arguments - I feel is better qualified to go into the philosophical debate of it all. Though Ricky would for sure make a much more entertaining debate 😅

[@Bob-dx5bi]

Yeah but clearly Alex was questioning himself and his beliefs he clearly lost this debate

[@00vuno]

​@@Bob-dx5bi did you even watch the video?

[@ayo0702]

@@kstephane1444 nah he's cringe

[@ikuep]

This was one of the most emotionally intelligent religious discussions I have ever seen, and this is due to the main debater being calm, assertive, and highly informed on the subject.

[@12monkies123]

Certainly not, just less libs all round.

[@InvertedBread]

sybau​@@12monkies123

[@VAVORiAL]

I think he knew, that no matter what he does, he ultimately won't make anyone in there abandon their faith, as it its just so very deeply integrated into them. Being mean and misinformed would've been self-sabotage

[@VAVORiAL]

​@@12monkies123 Out of curiosity: what is the point of your comment?

[@RyptCripper]

​@@12monkies123 where is anyone mentioning their political leanings in this entire discussion? Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder

[@makkun7953]

That line "If I punched you in the face and gave you $20,000 afterwards , you might be grateful for the $20,000 but why couldn't I just give you $20,000?" Made me laugh so hard😂😂

[@GameTimeWhy]

You wouldn't be greatful for the prize if you didn't have hardship, or something.

[@qualitydepression8208]

​@@GameTimeWhyAre you being sarcastic

[@tibbind]

​@@qualitydepression8208I read it as them answering sarcastically for the Christians

[@Daren6111]

@@qualitydepression8208the “or something” implies sarcasm lol

[@bw2532]

​@@GameTimeWhy For myself, nah. I'd be grateful of it more if I hadn't directly suffered at the hands of the person giving me $20k and it was just a gift. If they punched me and then gave me $20k, I'd be more suspicious than grateful and looking for the camera, thinking this was a KZbin "prankster" and I was about to be part of their video. People get gifts now from friends and loved ones just because without suffering, and I'm always thankful for them.

[@lawbinson]

The girl in yellow doesn't know what a debate is

[@michaelgo984]

as a christian she was embarassing

[@ChurchBoy-g2f]

@@michaelgo984she’s definitely Catholic

[@AlexeiX1]

bro like a bunch of them dont, its so sad

[@christopherzhou5361]

@@michaelgo984How so?

[@mashr4733]

All 3 of the young girls were just there to proselytize...

[@santadbg5759]

That older blonde lady making faces yet never attempting to debate him is so funny to me 😭

[@saullopez602]

She was questioning her whole existence 😂

[@DPRohan]

She does this in every Jubilee video. Talks at the person rather than to them type.

[@crainex5857]

she was getting all her arguments debunked but was not ready to accept it

[@thembambele5998]

Alex demolished her

[@TheACTIONZ]

Timestamp? Edit: Saw it now lmao.

[@jmanker]

Never thought I would hear “Not hateful - just genocidal” spoken so casually

[@RashidMBey]

It's a different claim that would prove ultimately difficult to prove because it's an internal behavior instead of an overt observable one.

[@bicivelo]

A softer, gentler machine gun hand.

[@Wortmort-s4x]

That chick was AWFUL

[@abe34fizzy]

@@Wortmort-s4x just outside her depth, props to her for exposing herself to different levels of depth, i dont think someone who makes an effort to develop depth is all bad 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Wortmort-s4x]

@@abe34fizzy I was just expecting a more intellectual conversations than this. I swear they picked these people up off the street or something. My expectations were higher but considering the form of debate it is a pretty bad way to discuss belief systems.

[@AFTERPUPPET]

“I think I’d be kicked out of the funeral.” Is a very diplomatic way of saying “you’re talking bollox.”

[@Cris5631]

That was a nice way of saying, someone might be planning a funeral for me.

[@RashidMBey]

It reveals how absolutely ludicrous some theological claims are when you take them seriously, and how dangerous they can become when acted on as though they're real.

[@IG7799-c4u]

That part made me laugh. It's just such an absurd argument she had.

[@shrubbie69]

@@RashidMBeyexactly! they wanna believe so bad they tie themselves in knots

[@DefenestrateYourself]

Bollocks

[@atakurt4247]

This was brilliant. You should really organize one atheist, 25 Muslims as well.

[@reuzdev]

Atakürt 😭

[@pseudonymousbeing987]

YESSSS

[@jordi880]

At 13:45 - The guy saying "You're awesome. You're so cool" is probably the most gracious and respectful moment I've ever seen in any debate. Hats off to you sir.

[@pullstap]

that's Hayden, another mormon rep together with Jacob. They seem to have sent some of their bestest here I'm impressed.

[@winkblink8636]

​@bigblissbud that's great cause it's bigoted and hateful, dare I say hate speech

[@smallfeet1345]

@@bigblissbud I laughed so hard as i read that before second part lol

[@Skyesoceaneyes]

​@@bigblissbud Do they keep people from saying cult?

[@davapalm]

@@bigblissbud All of Christianity is a bunch of c-u-I-+s.

[@GreenJanuary]

If everyone on the planet debated like this, we would be a lot better off as a species.

[@dragonflyjones5023]

Doubt it. I guarantee they all walked away still very religious no matter how much sense Alex made. What's the point of politely disagreeing if nothing changes?

[@jorgemartinez42069]

​@@dragonflyjones5023What method do you think changes minds better?

[@FilipinoNpc]

@@dragonflyjones5023that’s why the world will never improve we just going backwards

[@marie6226]

@@dragonflyjones5023 If people disagree politely, their views are more likely to change. Also, I think that people should be respectful/polite to each other just out of basic human decency and kindness, even if it doesn't change anyone's views.

[@Kevin-xk3me]

@@dragonflyjones5023We live in an educated society where changing one’s mind on anything is very hard. Your statement is true about all other subjects as well. Abortion, starvation, morality, everyone has their views and what you’re saying suggests theirs an objective correct answer that people should gravitate towards once given the evidence but it is not that straight forward.

[@madkoll1]

Jubilee putting this out on a Sunday.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Love the boldness

[@Bluestarferies]

They always release episodes of this series on Sundays..

[@zionmama150]

Who knows, it might be an answer to someone’s prayer

[@thorkagemob1297]

Based

[@24KLuxury]

Just another day bro

[@sadmanmostafa4617]

Alex is genuinely one of the most intellectual persons I've ever seen on the internet

[@markoveselinovic4683]

😂😂😂😂

[@harishthethird]

@@markoveselinovic4683😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@whym8748]

@@markoveselinovic4683what

[@archangelarielle262]

TMM and Venaloid, despite their lower subscriber counts, are vastly more knowledgeable atheist philosophers.

[@Mystery_Ka]

There are smarter Christians and Atheists a lot in both camps

[@matiaspereyra9375]

As an atheist Im proud to be represented by someone as non-cofnrontational, smart, and educated as Alex. A lot of atheists and theists alike can learn a lot from these types of dialougues

[@_Squiggle_]

Yeah this was a great dialogue from all people involved

[@slimero3039]

I mean every Theologically educated Christian KZbinr has exposed Alex. So it’s quite sad he had to get Jubilee to let him “debate” 25 lukewarms.

[@SoulPunisher29]

@@slimero3039I’m curious, what do you mean exposed? Like, he says one thing in one debate then the next he says something completely contradictory?

[@Solarmopp-i7r]

​@@SoulPunisher29right? Source or it didn't happen. "Every flatearth KZbin has exposed him, so I am mad he only invited normal flatearther"

[@VonDolo-fn2cy]

@@slimero3039fax but they don’t know about lukewarm compared to the real deal though

[@gemikun]

Knowing Jubilee’s founder has a religious background yet welcomes others with opposing viewpoints to voice their perspective and a fair chance to be heard. Respect

[@stormibbyy]

Who's the founder of Jubilee?

[@humbugryerson8845]

@@stormibbyyJason y Lee the alcoholic who also abused his wife and yeah he’s a Scientologist so I’d say a cult member not religious

[@genericnickname1]

has a religious background yet half the videos are about sex, especially premarital. Really christian of him

[@gemikun]

@@genericnickname1 oof lol I get that but at the end of the day, i think their goal is to explore real world issues and showcasing perspectives.. not necessarily endorsing it..better to talk about it than avoid it yknow ?

[@michaelan9688]

Money is most important

[@ianvlnva]

Alex's speedrun at 1:03:23 - 1:04:14 of a very empathetic, sensitive, yet effective justification and dismantling of why he disagrees is amazingly precise, well put together, and respectful for an under a minute response. Even with religious thought out of the convo, Alex's grasp on communication is a marvel in itself.

[@nintendope2976]

This is why I have so much respect for Alex. If this was someone like Matt Dillahunty or Christopher Hitchens, they likely would’ve went for the jugular.

[@Ragtagfunrun]

I agree. He could have said she was mentally ill or something demeaning. I would love to develop the same empathetic, sensitive, respectful, but firm responses day in and day out

[@mahmoodelnaiem32]

One of the most beautiful responses ive ever heard! Alex saw in that woman's eyes and knew exactly that this was the response she needed to hear.

[@BrianDeCosta]

Agree. The way he stated this was just poetic. Polite, while holding his ground and stating his beliefs. Truly impressive

[@thoughtsengineer]

@@Ragtagfunrunbecause there wasn’t enough information or time to figure out if she was actually ill, delusional, or anything else. She also claimed many things that could have different answers. So Alex answer was the best for the little time given without making the person uncomfortable and not give his opinion of what happen without enough information. Maybe after a longer conversation we could break down each case. But dismissing everything she said as “ill” or “delusion” would make Alex’s lose this debate. So I love how he handle it here

[@flyingvish]

The amount of metal gymnastics to justify horrible and insane things. The religious can't even agree with each other on what to believe.

[@AmandaWilson-q4k]

Because their beliefs are different. You don’t about religion?

[@tevildo45]

@AmandaWilson-q4k This doesn’t Nairn sense

[@darthjoshua6663]

On what basis are you saying that these things are terrible? And is this basis objective or not?

[@JojoJoget]

What sort of metal are we talking about?

[@LastMinuteGuess]

You’re acting like atheists or non-religious people agree with each other on everything they believe. Ask a group of atheists where people should derive their sense of morality and values and you will find greater diversity of answers than Christians, for example.

[@R4qayyah]

I hate the whole flagging people out concept, people get flagged out for no reason and the people flagging them out don’t even attempt to take the chair?

[@Micah-pn6pd]

Psyche is that you!?

[@Micah-pn6pd]

Would you like a coffee jelly to feel better

[@R4qayyah]

@Micah-pn6pd ahhh I love saiki k

[@FactStorm]

Its Jubilee, what did you expect? The whole thing is made by hipsters

[@harrydiktom]

They are just there to push people out

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Alex is one of the absolute best representatives of atheism. Very knowledgeable and thoughtful

[@putent9623]

you need it

[@ce1834]

Yep - always calm and well spoken to let the nonsense surface by itself 😂

[@AlbertMousquetaire]

please remind me exactly what 'atheism' is (i'll save your time: nothing) and please explain to me exactly how is Alex an atheist.

[@makteko]

I thought he was not an atheist but rather agnostic? I could be wrong, I haven't listened to the podcast yet.

[@MotiumMarler]

Absolutely. He's certainly a great representation with his calm and calculated demeanor, defusing the situation rather than unnecesarily escalating it.

[@emmadidyournails]

props to alex and this group for being so respectful to each other and having a civil debate fr

[@TeawithMiarae]

I appreciate it so much❤

[@PatoDecoy]

can you convince me that people deserve respect, using only an atheist perspective?

[@sheadoherty7434]

​@PatoDecoy can you convince me that my enemies shouldn't be enslaved or put to the sword by only a biblical perspective?

[@LA617-n1tx]

@@PatoDecoy Yeah it is socially advantageous for humans to get along and revere intellectual thought to be able to work together and create and build a progressive society. The incredible advancements we've made in modern medicine and technology for example has come about through the sharing of knowledge and cooperation of mankind

[@OsirusIrdia]

You better perform some 'below the belt' services for him 304. Put a smile on his face.

[@TheNystedt]

"We don't see anywhere in history, the destruction of Pompeii being written down." Sir, Pliny the Younger recorded his firsthand account of the eruption of Vesuvius from across the Bay of Naples. It's the earliest written account of a volcanic eruption and it's why we call that particular type of volcanic activity a "Plinian eruption" today.

[@tevildo45]

Thank you. I did not know this.

[@betty89646]

10 minutes in and this is already the most peaceful surrounded episode i’ve seen, that should say something

[@isabellabass5346]

It shows that Christians are actually respectful of others…

[@stinkygremlin267]

It shows that the athiest is actually respectful of the Christians so that they aren't mad that they are being interrupted​@@isabellabass5346

[@abril9691]

why do y'all say this every single episode 😭 like damn we get it

[@betty89646]

@@isabellabass5346 ik bestie that’s what i’m implying

[@dudeweresmyipod]

Wrong​@@isabellabass5346

[@joshuacoleman6453]

As a Christian a have a massive amount of respect for Alex’s intellectual honesty and clear thinking. His respectful demeanor even while debating fundamental issues is also very admirable.

That fac that people are still Christian after hearing all his arguments means that Christians are not very smart and are willfully ignorant.

[@spincycle6724]

agreed props to both hroups being chill unlike most other groups

[@Floridamexi]

As a Christian i have no respect for his argument but hes entitled to it

[@Zszeda]

@@Floridamexi entitled how exactly?

[@BartholomewJenkins69420]

@@Zszeda hes allowed to have his own opinions whether or not we agree

[@TomiThemself]

For the first time in 4 years, I was actually happy to see a guest on Jubilee

[@rahulp5226]

him and pete buttigieg!

[@PatrickWDunne]

I've never clicked faster tbh

[@markmywords12u]

@@rahulp5226 no

[@FinalFantasyXDen-br4to]

@@rahulp5226 no one likes butt jammer

[@Wow-hr1gl]

who was it 4 years ago

[@skam5533]

Been watching Alex for a while. I’m so happy you brought him on, he is the most well spoken and logical individual I’ve ever watched. One thing that he LOVES is civil conversation. For those who haven’t I suggest you watch him

[@linusnebelthal]

After all the political debates, it was so refreshing actually watching a respectful conversation.

[@lc.21]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[@saneplathreader637]

alex on jubilee???? crossover of the century he is THE atheist

[@k.d9499]

need an Alex x Me crossover 😋

[@saneplathreader637]

@k.d9499 i need 25 alexes surrounding me i mean what who said that

[@matthewmccarty4892]

Inserts soyface

[@nin29nin]

Go home bot

[@ce1834]

Alex is the best possible guest for this topic to challenge Christianity's serious flaws. Always calm and well spoken to let the nonsense surface by itself 😂

[@EdwardDanilyuk]

Interesting how respectful this bunch is. Very unusual compared to other episodes

[@JacksZ879]

The Holy Spirit brings peace 🙏

[@ce1834]

Yep Alex keeps it calm and is well spoken to let the nonsense from Christians surface by itself 😂

[@MANDM72]

Cause they're Christian. Tells you about the people on the other side

[@a.r.hollowayauthor7210]

Exactly, really impressed with all of them honestly.

[@michaelplauche9901]

@@ce1834nonsense from Atheism or Christianity?

[@charlottemccollum6925]

I really appreciate that nearly everyone in this video has a real understanding and knowledge of the bible and that the debates are respectful.

[@sydguitar99]

Having Alex is the best, the dude has a calm and open demeanor. He's not looking to "own" anyone

[@roqsteady5290]

But manages to do so anyway.

[@ryanlandis662]

@@roqsteady5290 imagine if debate was about moving someone’s viewpoint on a matter…instead of “owning someone”. That’s why we are stuck in an elementary state. Oh wait that’s what it is for…crazy

[@KeepItCivilPlease293]

Correct, he’s not Ben Shapiro or Charlie the meth fast talker 😂

[@tuvaskoglund8715]

55:23 ”Sorry we don’t have more time” he’s so polite and respectful to everyone he talks to, he seems to really care about their points and the discussions they lead to

[@BamaABP]

100% agree that Alex is very polite and respectful, but it is ironic that he gish galloped heavy in that specific conversation and did not answer the question, despite the guest saying he had granted the contradictions.

[@Akash_Kumayu]

​@@BamaABP He was granted those contradictions but still it is expected to hear from them why such contradictions were made INTENTIONALLY by different authors in the first place?

[@lliva9844]

Polite, I mean, sure... But I really wished Alex would have let the debators make their full points, too... After almost every sentence he tried to intervene, so that people couldn't articulate their points as well as Alex did again and again and again. He was speaking almost the entire time, leaving no room for others to make more sophisticated arguments, too. Sort of cut off a lot of what could have been interesting

[@arsenalx7]

1:21:45 "Alex, choose a Christian" Alex: this gentleman dressed like me seems to know what he's doing

[@Albert_YTC]

I was hoping he was gonna compliment his jacket lol

[@clearstonewindows]

Who would you have picked?

[@nathanlobono5818]

​​@@clearstonewindows Definitely the first black gentleman, the Hawaiian shirt guy or the one who brought up the hypothetical about what the world would do with hard evidence of Epstein Cartels.

[@BlueSky-kh8ue]

@@clearstonewindows well at 1:21:38 he tells the guy he wishes they had more time and then doesn't pick him...

[@MarkyMark1221]

@@BlueSky-kh8ueI mean he can wish he had more time with multiple people, they aren’t mutually exclusive.

[@chelle6]

Lori: I'm not a fan cause I don't know who you are Alex: Well the feeling is mutual 😂

[@mellomelodi]

alex is so well spoken ugh i could listen to him talk for hours

[@dresatitan4848]

Gay

[@mellomelodi]

@@dresatitan4848yeah if i were a dude

[@valkar5157]

@@mellomelodi he has a podcast!

[@Ryuzenski]

He has a successful channel

[@CUP1D0N]

So British huh? 😁

[@bigzed7908]

At 1:02:15 Alex handled that situation so beautifully. I think this is the most important part of the enitre video. The ammount of humanity he showed to that woman is worthy of respect and must set an example for us all. Well done Alex!

[@JCW7100]

Agreed!

[@LargestLuke]

Totally agree. It’s a difficult topic when someone is absolutely sure in their mind that they saw something supernatural. You don’t want to disrespect them, but you want to bring truth into the conversation

[@witebatman]

As someone who was held down as a child and forced through multiple exorcisms. She does not deserve respect and her actions are directly harmful to the people around her.

[@deaddudegaming]

​@@witebatmanI think your letting your personal experience cloud your judgement.

[@DanNyBxt]

agreed I felt myself judging her and was promptly inspired by alex's response

[@luizabonat410]

The blonde woman thought she was gonna go in there and have a mic drop moment but she completely fumbled it 😂

[@Albert_YTC]

She really spent an hour sitting back and making faces until she finally went up and was voted out immediately

[@arnoudh6203]

She was SMH'ing her head off for an hour straight hahaha I was waiting for her to come up to see how reasonable/unreasonable she'd be.

[@joeygrace2464]

it was embarrassing...

[@dannywray2254]

I've not got to that point, but I would put money on knowing who you mean.

[@ZANEINYOURVEINS]

I hope these people self reflect on the merit of their doctrines and literature where they hopefully inch towards the reality that they're believing in something completely unprovable. I can't imagine how traumatic it would be for them to realize and accept that they're believing a cultural foundation of lies though.

[@JardineKarate1]

@CosmicSkeptic has two advantages on his side in this (highly enjoyable) debating style. 1. He’s brilliant 2. He’s arguing against people who believe in something so incredibly outlandish they tie themselves in knots trying to defend the indefensible. The more I watch of these sorts of things the more outlandish religious and spiritual ideas seem to me (and for 50 years of my life I was deeply ‘spiritual’).

[@maxtelintelo6577]

And then not even to mention they don't seem to agree with eachother al all.

[@Green-ishEcho]

@@maxtelintelo6577 bro, exactly. This whole debate shows another problem about Christianity. They all have one book but they all don't agree with each other. The amount of times they tried to kick each other out of the chair.

[@luisbarbosa8136]

you should watch more of this debates then. Alex do this for living, and he doesn´t stand for nothing also.. so it his easy to just go against. I would like him to debate Mulsims also. you can see debates of apologites the same level as Alex, but Christians.. Trent Horn and Jimmy Aiken are brilliant also. Try them

[@McPhan86]

Agree with the first point, but belief in a creator isn't really outlandish. Take one look at quantum theory, especially recent developments, and you'll see that our whole understanding of the fabric of reality will need to change the more we discover.

[@naimaismail4356]

@@luisbarbosa8136It would be interesting him debate knowledgeable Muslims for sure; Christianity is a lot easier to attack due to the weakness in their scripture and historical evidence.

[@flamazingo]

13:47 The guy goes, "You're so cool." I don't think he was being sarcastic, so I weirdly love that he was able to appreciate the great debater Alex actually is even if their beliefs are so different.

[@umaiar]

At the risk of pulling the curtain back a bit, this appears to be a collection of philosophy bros. Regardless of the differences in beliefs, debate like this is kind of their thing. While I appreciate the civil discourse, it was absolutely engineered.

[@thesmiling2697]

@@umaiarapologists

[@jonny6man]

@@umaiar Engineered how? Alex and Hayden had never met before this.

[@spumbibjorn]

@@umaiar What do you mean by engineered? I can agree that they all seem to be "philosophy bros" but do you mean that it is scripted?

[@umaiar]

@@spumbibjorn I replied to the last person that asked what I meant like 20 minutes before, explaining it. But, in short, no. I don't think it's scripted.

[@coffeetalk924]

Alex's mastery of the arguments, command of the english language, communication skills, ability to adjust on the fly like that is simply astonishing

[@DanielWright-x9s]

@@coffeetalk924 it just takes respect,patience,and knowledge on your studies to recall and and act with grace not too hard many humans can do this its just a little rare

[@OfflineMafia]

This video could've been 5 minutes talking about Genesis chapter 3 to answer all questions about suffering and salvation

[@ironman_546]

​@@DanielWright-x9sYou're certainly not one of those humans

[@frankmaxwell2052]

@@DanielWright-x9swell said. I would add that it takes genuine curiosity to have the his leve of discussions.

[@frankmaxwell2052]

@@ironman_546I’d argue that’s more true for you than him. Maybe check yourself next time.

[@StreetDogSteve]

I'm amazed with how fast he can respond. By the time it takes me to think about something and reply, this dude has finished his whole conversation topic.

[@calmerthoughts]

sign of brilliance

[@StreetDogSteve]

@@calmerthoughts Oh for sure. I wish I could be so quick to think about something, gather it together into an entire statement, and deliver it so well within seconds.

[@radscorpion8]

@@StreetDogSteveno not for sure. He talks and reads about this stuff pretty much every day. He knows all the arguments. So it makes sense that he would be quicker to reply than a random youtuber is. NO offense

[@Karim-ik5ij]

I don't doubt this but he has heard almost every single rebuttal so he has things loaded up in his brain.

[@jonnylake3rd]

Because theology has no new debates. They always regurgitate the same PS over and over again. That's why he's so fast

[@iknewyouweremypet]

Somebody put that guy who said infants are fair game on some watch list ASAP

[@Martinmd12-zt7vu]

That Mormon near the end made one of the boldest religious claims of all time, which is probably going to upset a lot of Christians.

[@nibekus]

How are you that far into the video? It just uploaded

[@ΗκαλήΧαμογελαστή]

@@nibekus Maybe skip the video

[@zionmama150]

Because they won’t open their minds to consider it past the lies anti-mormons tell them

[@aspenmgy]

He is definitely an interesting person.

[@SCPN333]

I love Jacob and his channel

[@johnnybob8098]

It was so refreshing to see someone debating without ever cluttering the conversation with emotions. The way Alex could answer to that one girl who claimed she had had mystic experiences with that much respect while still explaining why he was looking for truthful evidence was inspiring.

[@kaymcneil7628]

I found all his answers to the others to be expected but his reply to her was impressive.

[@MC-ep8cu]

100% i would have just told her she was crazy and go away lol

[@JardineKarate1]

@@johnnybob8098 that was the one that particularly struck me too.

[@Faltron533]

The fact that no one brought up Job during the suffering section is criminal.

[@knowme4iam326]

Why? Bible isn't real thereby making Job a moot point.

[@Allegedly-Ian]

How is Job relevant to the deer crushed by the tree?

[@dinoview4537]

​@@Allegedly-IanThe reason for the innocent deer crushed by the tree is explained in Genesis.

[@korukamiyama]

for real!!!!! even as an agnostic myself

[@Segel1230]

​@@dinoview4537 where? How? I didn't know this, could you elaborate please?

[@thanhlecong5763]

6 minutes in I am already preferring this over any of the political debate lately. So orderly and not a shouting match. Lovely!!

[@A_United_Humanity]

As an atheist, i truly respect every Christian in this video and how to conveyed their arguments (mostly), Alex also a perfect representative of the atheist world view

[@saullopez602]

Except for the Mexican girl 😂

[@A_United_Humanity]

​@@saullopez602you can't even really count her, had about 30 seconds

[@Lemmyywinkz]

@A_United_Humanity She got up there twice and both times she makes it horribly obvious she doesn't really even understand what she's saying. She's just parroting stuff.

[@A_United_Humanity]

​@@LemmyywinkzI mean, at least you can respect her tenacity ig. And also in her first one she did have a tricky argument, but she did just regurgitate other arguments without even understanding them

[@RandomGuy-hx6pj]

With the exception of Lori💀

[@joshpetermann]

As a Christian, I can’t wait to dive into this! Alex is a class act and brings out the best in his opposition through calm and charitable engagement. He never fails to cause us to reconsider our assumptions and think deeper about why we hold to the faith we do, instead of accepting things blindly.

[@andrewpayne7454]

Faith is blind

[@Rocky-ur9mn]

​@@andrewpayne7454Christians don't hold to that view of faith so nice attempt at a strawman ig

[@l3aiIey]

@@andrewpayne7454So Is Your Hate

[@melonsmasher8252]

If you still believe in religion you're cooked. As a coping mechanism you could ofc but it ain't real

[@joshpetermann]

@@andrewpayne7454 “Blind” faith is, certainly. This expression of faith, however, is a bastardization of the faith expressed and encouraged in Scripture. From the Greek “πιστις,” it simply means “the conviction of the truth of anything.” “Confidence,” “conviction,” “trust,” “faith”… call it what you want, but none of us lives without it.

[@nenafan1]

25:15 “I deserve the worst” For something done thousands of years ago, without your input or consent. How incredibly sad that someone can hold that mindset

[@_Squiggle_]

In fact, that's one of the problems the restored gospel/Mormonism solves

[@mathiasrryba]

@@_Squiggle_ but it doesn't solve itself being a fraud dreamt up by a notorious scammer who's just trying to get laid and make it legal for himself to have multiple wives

[@jareddavis4483]

I agree

[@bradyb6501]

He seemed like he was on the verge of tears

[@bobboberson8297]

that guy used to be a pro smash bros player I wonder if that's how he felt whenever he lost a match lol

[@rosey525]

Watching the WTF expressions of the Christians reacting to the Mormon guy at the end completely hijacking the debate had me rolling with laughter.

[@mperryv]

Even as an atheist, you have to admit that otters holding hands is pretty damn divine

[@dodumichalcevski]

How ?

[@suga3774]

@@dodumichalcevski i think he is joking

[@Localrockstarwannabe]

LMAOOO I'm sorry but that woman's arguments cracked me upp

[@DivineBeaver]

Beavers tend to be a tiny bit more divine (unbiased opinion)

[@angelina6662]

Okay yeah animals can be merciless but have you ever seen a bunny? So cute

[@aaronantonyvarghese1811]

Honestly mad respect to anyone willing to voice their opinions like this.

[@lastnotleast7]

Now Jubilee do it with muslims ... if you're loving

[@magmarmtn]

​@@lastnotleast7they're gonna need body armor.

[@dimitris_zaha]

​@@lastnotleast7 honestly if they were ever to do that there would need to be an insane amount of editing and cutting out

[@Cardioid2035]

@dimitris_zahaand security guards to keep things from inevitably getting violent..

[@sibanought]

​@@Cardioid2035and everyone wearing masks and with their voices altered, so they didn't get jihaded afterwards.

[@Wandy2140]

Alright the interaction with the girl at 1:03:00 was excellent. He could have been mean as I’m sure Christopher would have been. He found a brilliant way to respect her, refute her, and also make her see his perspective. More debates like this.

[@JesusAteMyWaffles]

He’s a better person than I. She’s seen broken bones go back into place via prayer?! That’ll save Americans tens of thousands in medical bills!

[@greatdane2609]

My thoughts exactly. I really saw that going in a different direction, a much more belittling direction. Glad he chose to respond as he did.

[@daanw6270]

It's hard to deal with crazy people like that but he handled it very well

[@Linaa_08]

@@daanw6270 this made me laugh so hard

[@MrOrcen]

Completely agree, I try to be as polite as possible but there is no way I could have come up with a response like that. He's a real gentleman.

[@mkkrupp2462]

I’m so glad Alex brought up animals. Conscious sentient animals, including livestock, constitute a large part of life on Earth. The blonde woman kept shaking her head like they don’t matter. She should read some works by philosopher Peter Singer.

[@jesustheechrist714]

And the balding aging Mormon guy doesn’t “know” If animals suffer. 😂 sureeeee buddy.

[@karaokeandrandomclips]

Peter Singer's also the guy who tried to defend s*x with animals...

[@SubtleEncounters]

They are expendable in the aspect of salvation

[@DuroDP]

Conscious and sentient is debatable

[@Mandragara]

​@@DuroDPCope. Animals are obviously conscious to some degree. It's just self evident

[@joonalehtinen5462]

difficult thing for an atheist is that they have to debate against an ever changing opponent. Christianity seems to allow a broad range of interpretations and believes crammed into one and thus one has to debate all of them once to win

[@NathanRich-v8v]

Same could be said about atheism,,, there are multiple different atheist groups within America and the reason why they branch from each other is because they have different moral philosophy, metaphysics politics, and even natural reasoning…. christians have to do the same thing when having conversations with atheist considering there’s multiple different types of atheist some believe morality is objective but many believe it’s subjective some hold, a higher threshold for evidence and some are reasonable and consistent with the evidence Also, to be fair, this is only an issue with Protestant Christianity,, Catholics and orthodox don’t have this issue, considering their one church and all of their beliefs when it comes to faith and morals are aligned

[@axps4964]

Yeah, as a person who researched islam more, amount of books mentioned spins my head sometimes😂.

[@brotimes7879]

Christianity isn’t one religion, atheists don’t debate a changing opponent they debate a lot of opponents. In videos like these with a lot of different kinds of Christians, unless the video is meant to outline the difference it’s generally best to just have one kind of Christian on and then name the video 1 Atheist vs 25 Catholics or Lutherans or Orthodox etc.

[@Alex-ms9tk]

Yes because Christ is freedom

[@brotimes7879]

@@joonalehtinen5462 Christianity isn’t one religion, the atheist doesn’t have to debate an ever changing opponent they have to debate many different opponents. To that point, in videos like these it might be best to just have Catholics, Lutherans, Orthodox etc and use that instead of just general “Christian.”

[@bailly1998]

Please have Alex Back with more topics as well, he is incredibly insightful and respectfull leading to some of the BEST jubilee content ever!

[@amankonyak6966]

Alex, you are the GOAT. The way you handle a conversation at this pace with such respect and understanding is f****ng Impressive!! Massive fan here.

[@swauzer]

I'm so glad Alex took this debate, he perfectly presents the atheist arguments. The way he presents them is so respectful and intelligent, unlike many atheists in the past who have been snarky and rude. Unlike those before, Alex has taken the time to understand Christianity to a degree better than most Christians.

[@EdgardoSilva-od3td]

11 minutes in and this is way better than all the other Surrounded episodes that deal with politics, with constant interruptions and people getting completely mad.

[@ballisticfish1212]

Religion is a much lower stakes topic than current politics

[@kayyhrf]

alex never ceases to be an enjoyment to listen to, always calm and articulated.

[@charliereczek9690]

His voice helps lol

[@nellyc3669]

The fact that Alex has more historical knowledge about the bible and it’s scriptures than majority of everyday Christian’s is impressive

[@Criner05]

This is common among atheists. It's in part that we read the bible that we're atheists.

[@shelovinthecrew]

he spent years studying it at university in all fairness

[@DonJulio510]

But when they encounter dedicated christians they usually always get humbled.

[@nenafan1]

@@DonJulio510 No, they really don’t.

[@nenafan1]

@@nellyc3669 @criner beat me to it, but it’s actually not all that impressive. Most atheists actually do the legwork, at least the semi-famous ones. Granted many, many normal folks do too. They don’t have a minister telling them what to think every week, so they have to think for themselves

[@idkwhattodo7170]

13:34 "there's a purpose behind a kid dying from leukemia" are these theists out of their minds 💀

[@chrisXlr8r]

Could never have picked a better atheist for something like this. Alex is like the CEO of atheism

[@IsaacCoverstone]

The middle-aged to older atheists were the "Four Horsemen", Hitchens, Harris, Dennett, and Dawkins. For the younger demographic anti-apologists, we have Alex, Paulogia, Forrest Valkai, and there's a couple others but names are escaping me at the moment.

[@bananadragonfromjupiter]

No, that’s Sam Harris

[@jthwang]

@@IsaacCoverstone Thank you for the ones that you've already mentioned, but please provide me with the names of the rest.

[@JPTHEJESTER]

@@IsaacCoverstonewhat about Matt dilahunty?

[@ZANEINYOURVEINS]

Christopher hitchens is another CEO

[@ekt3396]

25:18 "I'm not a perfect person. I deserve the worst". How can a loving ideology make you think like that it's so sad

[@gio7964]

because its more of a manifestation of thoughts to actions. We inflict pain onto ourselves through sin so to speak.

[@valentinabulgaru8847]

Same way the quaran inspires terrorists. Everyone has different interpretations

[@ekt3396]

@ If someone that claimed to love me said I’m not worthy of their love I wouldn’t be their friend

[@ceddybikerack]

"I deserve this worst" sounds like something someone in an abusive relationship would say. I wish more people would realize this.

[@ekt3396]

@ exactly. Like I here that and it just automatically sounds like you’re being abused. Am I crazy!?

[@BehavingBradly]

Looks like the next one you need to do is "1 Atheist vs 25 Latter-Day Saints"

[@jaredallebest2160]

Excellent idea!!

[@Sunshine-eo2sp]

That'd be something special

[@SamLee-t5t]

Or... One latter-day saint vs. everyone

[@BiblicalAngels]

Break out the magic undies (temple garments)!

[@jay6562]

Yeah, do it!

[@melodygn]

1:33:02 "...he know the Bible maybe more than some Christians..." Understatement of the year.

[@DagothUrSpeaks-yy6fj]

She's still in denial that a person who knows the bible to that extent could be an atheist. She doesn't seem to realize....

[@johntuel2375]

The girl at 34:09 gets dropped really quickly because she does all of the stereotypical assertions without any evidence that soooooooo many of us atheists can't stand. It's so bad that even the theists know she is making a fool of herself and making religious people look bad.

[@thiefofa1073]

She's definitely surface level at best, but most probably she's been using the same tactics on other people with success and has now learned she can't do it with more advanced level atheists.

[@bunny44489]

This part almost made me laugh. That even the other theists knew this was a lacking and emotional “argument”.

[@alokharrison622]

I hate how everyone gets voted out before they can effectively develop their own arguments. I’d rather see a 1-1 convo for 45 minutes than keep seeing people being forced to stop talking before they can finish their points.

[@ChristopherCurtis]

I'm sure Alex would welcome you as a subscriber to his CosmicSkeptic channel.

[@georgogiannakis6123]

He does longer form discussions on his channel. Definitely worth a look, he’s fantastic at finding a balance between his own views and that of the host. By this, I mean he’ll challenge ideas from atheists and theists alike. But I would also argue that a format like this does give opportunities for people to speak with higher profile influencers and make a name for themselves even if it’s short form.

[@ShaneReed-l8e]

So go back… sorry you’ve been voted out

[@The1113015]

Yup. Maybe they should do 90% - Unanimous votes to get kicked out. That way, people like the older lady can still get voted out quick but others who are actually making great arguments can get more time.

[@jakeblabbers]

They got voted out when their argument hits a brick wall and they have no where to go. Once he shows their contradictions the rest of the group sees it and votes them out before they get embarrassed.

[@mu12890]

39:50 “the diddy files” and the part where the dude starts laughing 😂

[@-hitman-9103]

I just know bro wanted to burst out laughing lol

[@karagi101]

The mental gymnastics Christians have to perform to convince themselves is amazing.

[@KevindusT360]

I assume special pleading,sunk cost fallacy, confirmation bias and most importantly special pleading are factors that contribute the mental gymnastics.

[@karagi101]

@ I agree. Not to mention the brainwashing that occurs starting from early childhood that creates a world view in their minds that they can’t let be shattered.

[@jejsmsjjensmsjs2192]

this is the most respectful debate there’s ever been on here 😭

[@murugindungu5643]

Christ baby ✨ He’s got that effect

[@Sanxioned1]

​@@murugindungu5643and yet you can't actually prove his divinity.

[@darrion98]

@@murugindungu5643imagine the reversal 😂😂

[@CatCreamYT]

Probably because the topic doesn't debate morals and the rights of humans

[@rwt2320]

​@@murugindungu5643 Debates on religion, like most about topics people attatch to their identity, is usually not so civil. At least online and in videos like this. Alex is just genuinly great at being charitable and intellectually honest. Listen to his podcast and you will see it in full effect

[@ethanstopczynski9374]

As a Christian, I love Alex. He really makes you think

[@saullopez602]

Agree. We need more people like him. It is a nice fellowship

[@crainex5857]

you sure you thinking though ? you wouldn't be a chris.tian till now

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@crainex5857That’s way too bold of a claim to be making. It assumes there aren’t other avenues of knowledge that lead the subject to a stronger conviction in theism and, more specifically, Christianity.

[@greendrone6255]

@@crainex5857 😆

[@capjus]

When will you leave it then?

[@Savagemode473]

As an atheist, I enjoy watching debates on religion and its impact on society. And I think Alex was the best person to represent atheists in this episode.

[@LuciendaSky]

I am a Christian and I subbed to his channel. He did amazing. He knew the Bible better than his opponents!

[@Gankstomper]

@@LuciendaSky Yeah, that's why he's an atheist. He actually studied the Bible instead of mindlessly listening to parents or a pastor who mindlessly believe it because their parents/pastor said it so on so on.

[@Japanimal1992]

The mental gymnastics that christians perform just to convince themselves of their nonsensical belief is absolutely astounding. Never once in my life have I heard an argument in favor of religion that made any sense to me.

[@georgeoriginales]

One of the things I love most about Alex is he challenges Christians to simply know what the Bible says.

[@PA-1000]

Most of them seem to know, but this type of environment doesn't grant neither side any prep time.

[@SCOOTER-l9z]

As Christian’s we aren’t supposed to know the Bible, but parts of it. The Bible is separated into books, so we should read them as books.

[@sdfsdfsdfsdf-m1e]

How if he himself doesn’t know what the Bible says but interpreted it how we wants?

[@thebirdfromtwitter1249]

@sdfsdfsdfsdf-m1e What do you mean? Please explain how he "interpreted" it how he wants. At least don't lie to try and discredit someone. Everything he said in regards to the bible was in plain text and accurate.

[@MrMelonsz]

@sdfsdfsdfsdf-m1eLiterally everybody interprets the bible “how they want”. The only reason you think there’s a proper way to read it is because that’s your idea of the correct interpretation.

[@matth6270]

As a Mormon, I couldn't think of anyone greater than Jacob to represent us. I'm a long time fan of Alex too because he gives a great perspective. Everybody was very respectful and this debate was less contentious that most others.

[@_Squiggle_]

Hayden is also a Latter-day Saint and appears on Jacob's channel not uncommonly

[@danielstark8356]

In terms of amatuer apologist KZbinrs that might be true. I'd put Blake Ostler, Terryl Givens, Adam Miller, and Robert Boylan all above Jacob Hansen, but none of them are amatuer apologist KZbinrs

[@nickhayley]

There is hope for you yet! 😂

[@brandonmireles3249]

Mormons are outside of Christianity.

[@VlNCEY]

Aren't yall like openly racist? like "Black skin is the curse of cain" blah blah blah "which is why black people are lesser than white people because their pre-earth lives were worser and less holy than the white supreme" blah blah blah.

[@maartenpsion9036]

Alex O' Connor is the GOAT. Can't even imagine anyone doing this better than him.

[@alimidoriya4679]

Darkmatter2525, would be great too

[@lol-bg4wh]

Goat is crazy he is very decent at debating relatively smart people however his arguments fall when debating experts

[@alimidoriya4679]

@@lol-bg4wh really? Any examples

[@thatguytheethee6194]

@@alimidoriya4679 moral law debate against Frank Turek. Exceptional defense of the faith

[@barcalona55]

Look up JMike

[@99Lezard99]

just makes you see how crazy some of the religious people start to argue to justify thier belief system.

[@playwithme98]

Whenever they start to make a point, the others raise red flags. This system needs to be changed

[@melonsmasher8252]

Cause everyone knows the points the other person making is bad and i have the best points. And when they show up they get rejected too😂 shows how delusional religious people are

[@rubiks8975]

​Not exclusive to religious people. It happens on every episode of the show regardless.

[@Steven_DunbarSL]

​@@melonsmasher8252You think this only happens to religious people?

[@verlax8956]

@@melonsmasher8252 it literally happens in all of these surrounded videos dude regardless of wwho the 25 people are

[@meltedsnowman9637]

I don’t think that’s true. The people making the better points were allowed to speak longer.

[@THEHARMONIKZ]

Alex: why all the suffering? Christians: why not? Brain numbingly brave.

[@Power_to_the_people567]

And the guy that said God’s purpose for kids dying of leukemia is just to convert their parents to Christ…. As if Christians don’t already have kids with leukemia

[@lc7173]

Lmao

[@monolith94]

What even is suffering? Why all the suffering is level one thinking

[@jasonhendricks4562]

Furthermore, what makes any kind of suffering "unessesary?" Respectfully to Alex, he's not connecting the dots here

[@sushi_awards4793]

Alex actually got one shotted when the christians said that

[@rafaelpetritsch]

Lets make the opposite knechtle vs 25 atheists

[@wekurtz72]

That would be a slaughter.

[@miasolis1497]

Love this!

[@kalleblixt5269]

We gotta have that

[@goodbye6676]

He'd get cooked like he got cooked by every real debater

[@petiks9252]

Trent Horn vs. 25 atheists pls :)

[@toptv1049]

You're my hero, Alex! I would say you're doing the Lord's work but...😂 And how on this earth are you this well-spoken? That's magic in itself!!!

[@Abitoreason]

So excited to see Alex O'Connor!!! He is a brilliant, well educated, and very well spoken individual. This video made my day! Thank you for inviting him on

[@OfflineMafia]

That guy asks hundred questions, even comparing animal suffering to human suffering, but the answer is literally in Genesis 3: 14 to 3: 20 Real brilliant, joining a debate without reading the subject matter

[@ambergoodman7876]

@@OfflineMafia What is the difference between animal suffering and human suffering? Do you suggest they feel less pain? Or that their pain does not matter? That would suggest you lack something called empathy. Also, if you think Alex doesn't know the Bible inside and out you are foolishly mistaken.

[@MistaWaffles]

[@grayhalf1854]

​@@OfflineMafialol

[@OfflineMafia]

@ The difference is in the outcome, just like our beloved science of mathematics But the difference you'd like, within the parameters, would be that the animals, such as the serpent in Eden, were equally corruptible by satan as both humans and angels So God's rage was based on Isaiah 14, the betrayal of Lucifer + 1/3rd of angels, who were exiled from Heaven to the spiritual Earthly realm (3,5 Dimensional, between 3D matter and 4D spacetime, above our thoughts) But mankind and their dominion of animals from Genesis 3 got the last end of the bargain and were banished to an abandoned Earth, where they would prove both their resilience against evil thoughts, but also creativity

[@isabelled.7732]

I’m an atheist but I’ve never heard of Alex! I will have to check him out! Very intelligent and well-read

[@humanbeing9024]

You're in for a treat, my friend

[@fuertefitness2128]

Same ❤️

[@littleherms3285]

Buckle up, hundreds of hours of content.

[@morbidgirl6808]

Please do! He is the reason why I became a better person as an atheist. Because of him, I've gotten more respectful towards religions. He's the best role model for atheists.

[@BendeMark]

There was Christopher Hitchens, there’s NOW Alex O’ Connor. You’re in for a rollercoaster ride.

[@jacobb1650]

The LDS (Mormon guy) seemed to be the most interesting in stimulating thought

[@Bl3ndrz]

which one? There were two

[@davidquezada4839]

Who is the second??🤔

[@newheights4782]

Hayden 9:55 and Jacob at the end of the vid were both LDS

[@bardneur3768]

Interesting in a sci-fi/fantasy sense perhaps

[@FaithofAbinadi]

You’re correct, the LDS guy was most articulate.

[@mattycastaway]

25 Christians who cannot answer these key questions, not one satisfactory rebuff, and some amazing mental gymnastics used to ignore Alex's points.

[@solalaubailly5268]

I’ve been watching Alex since his beardless CosmicSkeptic days. It’s amazing to see how far he’s come. Can’t wait for what comes next!

[@BrianDeCosta]

Same. Happy to see how far he has come. I'm Christian as well.

[@chyhodgson7726]

Thank you Jubilee for recognizing that, while many sects do not recognize us as Christian, Latter-Day Saints absolutely believe in the Divinity and saving power of Christ.

[@Sheilas4AlexJones]

Hayden and Jacob make arguments that resonate better than the other Christian’s

[@brando3342]

Than is one of the more informed guys there.

[@carsonhawkes]

And both wouldn't be considered Christians by trinitarians ironic 😂

[@pyrrhic8976]

this whole video is just an atheist teaching christians about their own book 😭

[@finestPlugins]

Agreed. And the whole discussion isn't even about atheism either.

[@a_a9808]

true they should have gotten someone like cliff

[@pezwright]

people side eyeing the mormon like their belief is OBVIOUSLY 'better' lool

[@christopherbeers8095]

Interesting as well considering the 2 Mormons probably held their own better than any of the other Christians imo at least.

[@AbrahamicAstronomy]

Indeed, if other Christians would consider LDS theology in even half as open-minded a manner as Alex, faith would be transformed. The tropes that are thrown about are masking a wealth of faith building knowledge.

[@meibion-glyndŵr]

@@AbrahamicAstronomy Unfortunately, the evidence of Joseph Smith's character is compelling

[@jonnyb.animationstutorials7119]

Well, to be fair, you could argue that christianity is an obviously less scam, than mormonism, because the book of mormon was written by a scam artist with a long arrest record.

[@mtamer2943]

@@christopherbeers8095 Within the mormon church, they're actively trained to debate with the average layman protestand and catholic. It is a core to proselytizing for them.

[@jordanalexander8099]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a great example of what it means to debate eachother in a kind and respectful way. No matter our differences, we’re all very much alike. Much love, friends.

[@jdawgb7642]

We’re not very much alike when you have people that hurt, dehumanize, and make votes that enforces laws based on hate for minorities and women. And all simply based off an unverifiable deity that has yet to prove any empirical evidence for its existence. Then, they use that belief to justify their bigotry. Just leave people TF alone on what their personal decision is for their OWN lives and OWN body. And simply respect them as your fellow human beings instead of seeking to destroy them for living a lifestyle you don’t agree with or just simply for existing. To increase kindness and love, that’s the way.

[@dreadstuff]

Alex is quite literally the most fit Atheist to hold this type of dialogue. Absolutely love him.

[@Sandwichman1337]

Now do 1 Christian vs 25 atheists