Flats Reacts To "A Serious Talk About Apex Legends"

[@Kristers_1]

EA be like : "oh no , our game is dying? Well, here's a new 300$ cosmetic. That should fix it "

[@ellaceleste2929]

Blizzard has done a lot of the same thing. Sadly it isn't the developers that are doing it, but they get the flack much of the time. The cooperate suits just don't care if a game is good, only that it makes them some money.

[@grass842]

Ultimately the publisher has all the player metrics, including how much money they're making, and the public doesn't. If they feel that pushing cosmetics during periods where player sentiment is in the worst state that it has ever been, then it's not actually in the worst state and maybe what they're doing actually keeps the game afloat despite what content creators say. It could also be simply that EA doesn't care and they will run the game into the ground squeezing as much money out of the remaining playerbase until it dies. Let's be real though, if they wanted EA to, they could just ship out APEX 2 right now and have it be the same game, and people would still come back even for a short time. Blizzard put out a horrible precedent and now every game company can do the "2" as an emergency card to keep games alive and taking money because most players aren't watching youtubers.

[@UntoTheLaot]

And yet they’re still within the top fifteen on steams most profitable games of 2024. EA and Respawn know they can get away with not adding new content, fixing the problems with the game, and adding over price skins just by the fiscal response/gains every year. Everybody can cry that they destroyed the game, the the truth is the player base is just as responsible for the outcome. The games not tailored to be fun or good, it’s now tailored to make monies!

[@Skeevee]

@@ellaceleste2929the difference between overwatch and apex is that the overwatch devs at least have an optimized/finished product. People love to blame EA for their issues and rightfully so, but apex isn’t even good. It feels and looks like a mobile game now. It’s insane lol

[@GeneralCba]

OW2

[@Kronosbear]

While I agree that Apex couldn’t decide between pro vs casual player focus. I think the bigger problem is that EA refused to invest in the game when it was making money and then cut content (especially future content) when the profit margin started to disappear, sending the game into the death spiral we have today.

[@gaminglemming6476]

ea is a run by the higher ups

[@takodarogers1795]

So you agree with the video in short lol

[@Kronosbear]

@ I agree with the later half of the video, kind of.

[@KindOldRaven]

When businessmen make the decisions and not gaming industry veterans. It's painful but this'll happen until gaming hits its big crash moment and it semi-resets itself again.

[@AlexSmith-lb5mm]

I'm sure Respawn can do much more with the game and not just offer cosmetics and only cosmetics for an absurd amount of money. As long as they were hitting quotas then I'm sure the scapegoats (ea) are happy

[@BigBOTUS]

Another thing he forgot to mention was that apex was steams top grossing game of 2024 yet someone in the production chain said “apex did not meet monetary expectations this year”

[@CristoAlba-l1z]

I think its either him or another youtuber metnioned that ever since the fifa split from ea, fifa doesnt make ea the big bucks like it used to so they need a new high grossing money maker and apex, even though it does well, hasnt replaced fifas numbers.

[@Motolmang]

"apex legends is dead i guess that's more reason to keep titanfall locked down in the vault forever like we planned to anyways"-EA probably

[@jervi2391]

I don't think you know the definition of dead 😂😂

[@incelliousthewizard7883]

It's actually insane that it would take them less than an hours work to patch titanfall 2 to fix it, but they just don't. Like we know this since it literally took them barely an hour to fix the issue when Apex servers were being knocked offline by the exact same exploit.

[@Motolmang]

@@jervi2391 apex is on its deathbed

[@shadesinsertlastname1631]

@@incelliousthewizard7883 titainfall fully works rn? you can play it on all servers with no issues

[@phoenixflamegames1]

@@incelliousthewizard7883titanfall 2 is playable now tho right? I’ve been playing a lot more recently.

[@NahItsLAN]

I was a HUGE Apex nerd. I hit master multiple times, had a few thousand hours in the game, was a diehard Wattson main, and ran with a full trio of friends who were equally invested. We all slowly fell off the game because EA just doesn't care. There has been issues that have been plaguing the game since the day I started. The three big ones are; servers, tick rate, and matchmaking. Servers were absolute garbage, I frequently had to restart my game cause I couldn't connect or I would get disconnected mid match, rejoin, and I'd be dead. I'd also have ping upward of 120 or higher when I run at 30-40 ping on pretty much every other game. Tick rate is probably the lowest of any competitive game at 20 HZ. I'd CONSTANTLY die after closing a door, getting behind cover, turning a corner, etc; Lastly, matchmaking. HisWattson explained it very well, and he basically touched on everything I'd have to say, but an explanation doesn't even come close to FEELING the frustration that was caused by MM. I think I literally developed anger issues from dealing with the shit this game would throw at me. The whiplash was insane going from the first few games of the day where you're just having fun and messing around with your friends, to needing to sweat absolute buckets against every pred in existence. Even as a multi master, the gap between preds and masters is insane, so we would just get absolute curb stomped constantly. It's a sad thing, genuinely used to be one of my favorite games ever /:

[@L0LIProp]

yea im bascially on the same boat as you, been playing since season like 1 or 2 and it was good but feel down a lot

[@Valkyrae123]

Nobody cares about your mid accolades and free master badges

[@NahItsLAN]

@@Valkyrae123 And nobody cares about your opinion. I hit master season 12, 13, 14, and 16, none of those were free.

[@PrsOG7504]

@@NahItsLANyou’re wasting your time responding to these negative guys

[@NahItsLAN]

@@PrsOG7504 Yeah you're right, just sick of people being dicks online and just getting away with it.

[@BruceTheScout]

Ill explain the ranked S12 and S13 ranked thing because HisWattson didn't explain it fully. In season 11 and before in ranked, your matchmaking was determined by your rank and climbing was harder the further you go up. Then in season 12, they introduced hidden MMR matchmaking into ranked and so now your matchmaking is determined by your hidden MMR or "skill". They also made it so easy to climb that as long as you kept playing, you'd keep ranking up. This led to the ranks being meaningless and fake and everyone hitting "masters". Then in season 13 they reverted this change and made climbing more difficult, maybe even more than it originally was. I think most people were happy about the revert but he's just using this point to illustrate/claim that Respawn was being flip floppy I guess.

[@r99islifeyt41]

They also added a huge top 5 bonus compared to what is was before

[@theOGblob]

Fun fact: this system was reverted within the first 2 weeks of s13 due to queue time bugs for the top ~50ish players due to them being such a higher rank early on. They reverted the system instead of making high ranking queues more generous temporarily and never bothered to polish the system back to what it was intended to be. They literally let a bandaid fix become permanent and nobody talks about this, lmao.

[@zage932]

Hidden mmr systems in ranked gamemodes kill any drive to play the game.

[@karvis386]

No wonder the diamonds i went against in S12 felt like they were way worse than the usual. I climbed to Masters too for that season on both split, but I always thought it was because they made the RP gain more generous, by increasing the Kill point cap from like 5/6 to 8.

[@eelite1111111]

Well streamers didnt want to wait for good matches in s13….

[@emi_rodz]

I like how Activision and EA are competing who kills their games faster.

[@NotOzy]

Ubisoft is up there to

[@noaharchambault8917]

@NotOzy Ubisoft already got 1st place tho

[@GypsyDangerOW]

Don't leave ut Blizzard!

[@Pwnedx88x]

I have played apex since season 0.. I have finished every battlepass except this current season. The last year and a half I would finish the BP then take a break until the next season. With the 2 BP per season it leaves no time for a break and makes it a constant grind.. I have now been playing rivals and havent touched apex since

[@theycallmemotivated2317]

I had that problem with the destiny franchise, the moment I stopped playing the game life's been good for me and I don't treat it like a job anymore :)

[@angelofmercy6139]

I used to be a die hard wraith main, I had 30,000 kills on her and some other as well. Ever since S13 id stopped taking the game seriously and then by S21 I fully quit and uninstalled the game. I’ve spent countless money on the game as well as time. It’s sad to see it go but it’s all with the management of the game and what the devs do

[@jessossenkopp]

Apex STILL has the best gunplay and movement for a live service game. It’s just criminally mismanaged. So it will eventually die and gamers in 20 years will be like “remember Apex, that shit was so smooth!” Its all about profit margins now. So gamers have to come to terms with the reality that gems are going to be even rarer as time goes on, because the focus isn’t on creating a great experience- the focus is on “gameplay loop” that takes as little effort as possible while yielding a 3-4 year window of decent profits.

[@DrifterDuviri]

Fr, Apex's gunplay is my favorite out of all of the games I've played, its so satisfying, the movement is so fun although imo not the best movement (I would give that to warframe).

[@muzikmuzik3693]

Best gunplay it takes 2 mags minimum to kill a good player everybody just spams abilitys stop it has good movement not great lol nd subpar gunplay

[@tarkelson2457]

That's just objectively not true

[@tarkelson2457]

​@@muzikmuzik3693yea the gunplay is mid, and a lot of games have better or equal movement

[@WhereIsYourID]

Call of Duty has that kind of EOMM as well. You can literally feel your lobbies start to shift. If you dont play for a couple days you get bot lobbies, once the game calculates your skill you eventually work back up to extremely sweaty lobbies.

[@jervi2391]

Cod is easier.. easier games will always be more famous. Apex at this point is exposing a lot of pros who are not that good and now they cant win anything so they completely hate the game. EA and pros mainly are the reason this game is what It is as sweaty as it is . Full of try hards. Because that's what they wanted but now they mad. Also they the main ones buying and promoting the heirlooms. If they wanted to help the game. They wouldn't buy it at all.

[@TTks124]

It's everywhere. I uninstalled apex, ow2, cod, CSGO, bf2042 and marvel rivals. It's a pest and it's everywhere. It feeds you ruinous games and when it estimates you gonna leave, it feeds you 1 or 2 bot lobbies to stomp and then you're back at it again, but with 3x times difficulty, untill you get stomped 20 matches by 3 stacks, then when you're about to leave game EOMM feeds you again easy matches to stomp. Also COD is the worst offender as they go the greatest lengths not only with EOMM, but they will nerfe you mid game if you go ape shit on ppl. They added random recoil and first bullets miss like 3 years ago, with the first warzone update. That game is cancer. I played marvel for 4h. After 4h EOMM hit me like a truck. Instantly uninstalled. Bf2042 removed server browser to implement EOMM.

[@TTks124]

There's also a big trend to implement bots on the game to do player retention through EOMM to lower level players. Everyone on every skill bracket will get played by the game. I know bf2042 and COD has bots, but i would be surprised if the other games don't have them.

[@WhereIsYourID]

@@TTks124 Bro, warzone absolutely killed COD imo. It was great at the time because it dropped right before quarantine, so everyone was playing it. But they killed multiplayer by making each COD's MP a funnel for Warzone. Every design choice was for Warzone and implemented into MP. Even "original" MP maps at launch were just ripped from POI's on the Warzone map. EOMM is probably the strongest in COD, but I 100% notice it in OW2, Apex, Fortnite, and even Rivals. I dont play Fort anymore havent really played since 2019 but I gave it a try recently and there were literal AI bots I was fighting so I uninstalled. I wanna face real people. Same with Rivals, a lot of people still arent aware that if you lose 2 games in a row in QP you more than likely will be placed into a lobby with alnost all AI bots. They're all level 1's with restricted profiles and they all have essentially aimlock and lock onto you through walls. They still suck so you stomp them, but thats the deepest level of EOMM ive ever seen. First time I noticed I thought it was a hacker, turns out the enture enemy team was like that. Looked it up and sure enough people already cracked the code that there are AI bots rampant in rivals QP. I uninstalled immediately. Ive never noticed AI bots in OW I still play that game to this day but OW 100% has EOMM as well I can physically feel my games being rigged even in QP, im sure youve heard the term "50/50watch". Thats what it feels like, you will have as close to a 50% winrate as possible on any given day. One night in Comp I literally went 11-11 and NO JOKE it was a perfect pattern of 1 win 1 loss. I didnt win 2 games in a row a single time. Thats an extreme but still, it 100% felt forced with the teammates I was getting vs the enemies I was facing. Anyways this rant is long, basically im yapping about how much I agree with you. Studios have realized they can toggle with the matchmaking to keep the absolute worst players from quitting their games and continuing to buy the Battlepasses and store bundles. But anybody with any common sense can notice it and immediately feel alienated because we just arent their target audience. They do not like good players, or smart players. They like the bad players, they make up majority of the playerbase and spend the most money. Gaming is doomed, unfortunately. It will only get worse. Hopefully enough people continue to catch on and something can be done about it. Best we can collectively do is continue to not support these games, and hopefully enough of us eventually have that mindset and hit them where it hurts. I think COD is finally reaching that point, or close to it.

[@knowvuh]

@@WhereIsYourID To add onto your comment: Did you happen to see how much COD paid TSM Myth (at the time one of the bigger Fortnite streamers) to stream the game for 50 hours??? $400k. Think about all the money they funneled to the main COD streamers: NickMercs, Tim, Swag etc. Why do you think Tim and Nick got their own skins? They paid them for their audience to get little kids to go to their game to purchase microtransactions. They spent millions on millions on millions maybe billions on these streamers and cut corners and cost on their: servers, anti-cheat (that is to this day still nonexistent), optimization, and who else knows what. Beyond bonkers in my head that anyone can defend that game and the people making it and tarnishing the already tarnished COD name. Rivals has my heart for a long time as long as they stay on a good path. My rant is over and I wish it was mainstream knowledge that Acti/Blizzard sucks ass as do most dogshit corporate scrooge companies.

[@Giddydoughnut]

RIP Apex legends it might be missed.

[@ogSweetD]

I like your pfp

[@DECOYclone]

Might

[@jervi2391]

I don't think you understand the definition of dead.

[@CriticalyDumb]

​@jervi2391 gang it's apex it ain't that deep this like the 3rd comment of yours💀🙏🏾

[@VerdugoMoment]

It will be missed, the game was amazing. I feel so bad for the devs. It's so dissapointing what happened to the game. Fuck it though. BIN IT AND GIVE ME TITANFALL 3 ALREADY

[@gawechwaszczewski2794]

I have 6k hours in Apex, 2k hours in Titanfall 2 and i had not played Apex for about a year now. The game got VERY stale at some point and i got out of loop. I watched recently and meta and game looks kinda interesting again, but i am so out of it, it doesn't even lure me in anymore. Edit. I will add i am not casual, i've been masters EVERY season from the worst to the hardest and most fun, i have every badge on almost every character that's somewhat sweaty to get, both on PC and on Mobile too. So probably like 1k hours on mobile + tournaments playing a bit of ALGS and Apex Mobile tournaments. This game WAS my life literally for a long time as i was growing up and becomming an adult and going to college.

[@destiny_5540]

i feel like if you played any game that amount of hours its almost guaranteed to become stale

[@Fatcat5113]

As for a casual who has 4k hours in Apex im really sad at where Apex is. I like hearing thoughts from creators outside of Apex.

[@victime4360]

Our game is dying! Wanna new skins???

[@TheForever206]

I could never get into Apex Legends for the simple fact that it essentially killed support for Titanfall 2.

[@RockoldObamaCj]

Well at least Titanfall still around most games will have their server shut down so hey I guess we can say we're lucky

[@Hulmebullz]

Titanfall is fucking ass who wants to fight giant robots 😂😂😂😂

[@mesuper455]

@@Hulmebullz Who doesn't want to fight giant robots? 95% of 215k positive reviews on steam would disagree (and that's overwhelmingly positive, not many games especially FPS games get that).

[@houstonraver834]

Yeah who wants to be a bad ass mech ​@Hulmebullz

[@RockoldObamaCj]

@@Hulmebullz a lot of people would me included and also you don't have to fight robots you can fight the pilots I'm guessing you're only doing this to start an argument right

[@ADevilishGrin]

He lost me at 15:43 no way he just said Titanfall wouldn't have measured up to apex.. I bet there are more players on Titanfall 2 now then apex and Titanfall 2 is continuing to be loved by the loyal fans. Titanfall genere in general completely clears apex in every single way lol.

[@dfaslkfjdlfjal]

not money wise. nothing beats the cosmetics system. he wasn't talking about anything but money.

[@ADevilishGrin]

@dfaslkfjdlfjal no he meant the whole game lol

[@asianrollzz648]

Marvel rival devs: “please, we have been working for 18hrs today” Chinese boss: “QIGUANCHUNGHONG”

[@sahilm483]

I cant escape that ult as Iron Man HE LOCKS ON ME MID AAAAIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@kribo9272]

As a DAY ONE Apex Player who played every single season all the way up to season 13, the entire situation at 9:00 is what made me finally quit the game. I wasn’t good by any means, probably peaked low diamond. But getting absolutely fucked harder than the govt fucks us every match was extremely frustrating

[@ChronicRetrospection]

I’ve played apex since launch pretty frequently. I almost reached masters a bunch of times as a solo queue ranked grinder. The core gameplay is fantastic but the game is not casual/new player friendly. The skill ceiling is high and they tried to offset this by obviously using some sort of sbmm/eomm hybrid. On top of this they’d usually cater the game to pros and so that made the game even harder for new players/casual players and players like myself who were deemed to be good enough to carry lower skilled players while playing against masters/pred stacks. Essentially the game alienated the overwhelming MAJORITY of the games playerbase but we stuck around for years because the core gameplay is probably the best fps gameplay I have ever experienced. It’s a shame.

[@simonisdanilo3950]

Agree I’m stuck D3 every season

[@akatoki4063]

Agree.

[@jbearz3387]

Even if new people want to try it out and play it majority of the remaining playerbase is sweaty tryhards who'll pubstomp newer players and out them off playing

[@feefore1605]

What’s sad is that even if Apex does die there is a very little chance they’ll give us Titanfall 3

[@chriselkins6771]

There won't be anyway, the guys that made titanfall are all long gone from respawn and they don't have the rights, ea does. And the lore has all but disappeared from apex the past couple years, they don't have any story or writing people anymore.

[@DefinitelyNotAutumn...]

If apex dies EA will most likely liquidate respawn entertainment and put the titan fall ip into a vault

[@tarkelson2457]

​@@DefinitelyNotAutumn...It's already in a vault, they enjoy the idea of wasting a beloved franchise

[@legacytrails5902]

I spent god knows how long to get a match in trios, landed, team immediately swarmed and killed by a three stack pred crew. Went to ranked and things are surprisingly more chill and relaxed

[@samnaps1]

For real though... I've been in low diamond for countless seasons now solo que and almost always get into lobbies with preds/masters, yet my teammates are somehow gold. It's VERY exhausting, given how much you have to grind to get when solo queing

[@TheAdeemo]

Never thought I'd see the day I watch Flats watch a HisWattson video

[@generalpacman6414]

7:29 if we just want to stomp bad players we’ll keep supporting sbmm/eomm as smurfing, two boxing, vpn’ing, or any other method to own the system is they best way to find bot lobbies.

[@JunYurrr03]

HisWattson and his team w Furia went ballistic in playoffs and champs back then, respect to him

[@burnsboy101]

13:38 I don’t think you know what polished means 😂

[@proxy6330]

yeah i was like, huh? that game is most definitely polished balanced, no.

[@realname4430]

The games was made in a modified source engine, it may look pretty but everything else sucks. I have never had as many server issues as I have apex, constant lag spikes and hit reg issues because apparently upgrading server Hz isn't beneficial. The games audio has been ass since day 1, and always will do because the engine can't handle multiple sounds at once

[@fugitive6549]

@@proxy6330 No, it's not polished. It has severe performance issues on different hardware. Also, they made a rookie delta time error where it's dependent on frame instead of time which made it so that players' characters with lower fps travel less distance or move slower than players with higher fps. It was laughably bad mistake. I hope they fixed it by now.

[@ashonline77]

@@proxy6330 While balance should be the last thing to consider for "polish", MR still isnt polished. Game is literally full of rookie coding and bad optimization but its new and fun so people are just giving it more grace.

[@chargedelementscr]

i think u don’t know what it means…so much new content on a new game means less development time for performance/bug improvements ==> less polished

[@ninthfriend3347]

I can feel this in Overwatch as well. With Marvel Rival officially launched, it made me reflect on Overwatch 2 for the past two years. I ask myself that has Overwatch 2 done much for the past two years? We lost many things from Overwatch, only to be added back months later. PvE, the selling point of the 2, is basically dead which sucks for those who cared about lore development onto the heroes and universe including myself. Marvel Rival was modeled after Overwatch's success and added more like hero bans, functional tournament mode, better spectating feature, in-game client to watch tournament matches...stuffs that were asked for Overwatch for years. Blizzard has fumbled the Overwatch IP and its reputation with their mismanagement. They got too comfortable being the king of hero shooter genre until their competition came in.

[@Dragonlover-kp6ki]

What if hog had to spin his chain before he launched his hook. With sound effects. The longer he spun hos chain the farther and faster it would travel. Then when they get hooked the hooked player makes their falling to death sound effect? The model could look down (plus player camera) at the hook before getting yanked to Narnia.

[@NinjaGamer-hm9iz]

Did HisWattson just call me a veteran because I started in season 12? I thought I joined wayyyy late for that title.

[@mohammedalmuahiri8071]

I used to play apex addictively because the movement in the game just hits different..and nearly had all the skins and heirlooms . Out of no where I got banned and I barely got my account back after a 2 month and so while talking to bots and the support staff just to know why I got banned nothing they didn’t give me a reason,really didn’t care it was really annoying and stressful. got my account sold it and immediately switched games .. they don’t care about there players they never will and they just care about getting skins out and my mistake was trying to support the game I loved ..

[@youngrootv]

I judge a game if it’s dead or not by how quickly I can get into a game and when I’ve played recently, I got into games in under a min. That turnaround is still great, but Apex should have more modes and content. For example, Halo 3 came out almost 20 years ago and base game had forge mode, theater mode, custom games, ranked, everything. Games these days give us the bare minimum I swear.

[@PlusOne2Crit]

Halo is not the same kind of game. You cannot, fairly, compare the two.

[@andrewhutchens924]

Marvel Rivals would be wicked. Because they are bringing in out 10 characters this year, then 8 next year. If they make it so bronze and silver, 0 bans. Gold to diamond 1 ban. Diamond to celestial, 2 bans. Above celestial, 3 bans per team.

[@darthplagueistheunwise]

What really pushed me was the expensive PK skin. It really showed where their hearts and priorities were.

[@Nitro__Crate]

The sadest part about all of this is that both overaatch and apex could be great and very much still relevent if they were just smart about their development. Just look at fortnite as an example. But thanks to big boy higher-ups my two favourite live service games of all time are dying.

[@brycenb2994]

They really aren’t tho. Fortnite came out during the right time and is the perfect modern game with lots of updates skins, memes, weapons that don’t need to be balanced or tuned or anything, and a story that is kinda lose and doesn’t really follow any real character

[@joenani]

Apples and chocolate, bad comparison

[@somerandomdudeonline7182]

To be honest I tried getting into apex and I had a rough time. I didn’t know the maps. I don’t think I could’ve learned them in a custom game by myself. Can’t play ranked unless you get to a certain level. That forced me to play pubs and get stomped on by players who’ve played the game since it came out. Just not a good experience.

[@Moneytopz]

Dawg u couldn’t reach lvl 50 to play ranked

[@retronax4346]

yeah the main thing that kills the game is that the skill floor is so high now, onboarding new players is very unlikely.

[@mikey2555]

Skill ceiling in Apex is super high. Its not for casuals who just want to turn off their brains and play.

[@astrixx]

Tbh this is the fate of every dying game. When the population declines, the people who are left are the hardcore players so they're just going to be better.

[@brandondean5680]

​@@mikey2555 Finally someone said it. Thats why some people hate the game.

[@EbonMaster]

Polish doesnt refer to balance, dude. Not typically anyway. It refers to things like visuals, UI and game feel.

[@chriselkins6771]

I think polish refers to everything, it just means the game being efficient, optimized, and attention to details on every aspect. They could do none of that because of EA

[@EbonMaster]

@@chriselkins6771 Even if you were to say that polish is in reference to balance as well, balance would still be a pretty damn small part of what it would be referring to. lol

[@Keyourasa]

tbh i think that part is also disagreeable, my pc is above avg and im normally getting 70 fps which for most pc gamers is awful. the graphics are so bad its actually hard to see sometimes because of good ol frame gen/dynamic resolution. this ontop of the mouse accel issues, looking right always looks down right when aiming on mouse and fps dependent ability/dps even calling the game polished in a non balance way is questionable at absolute best

[@EbonMaster]

@@Keyourasa Sure that can be argued, but thats not what he argued. lol

[@fugitive6549]

@@EbonMaster Bro, please stop. Rivals is a lot of things but polished isn't one of them. All the other online shooters run perfectly fine on my PC but I have to tweak the config files and download modes to get a reasonable fps in MR. Moistcritical literally has to restart the game every hour to avoid crashing during the middle of the game. The game has weird stuttering issues and shader compilation doesn't seem do much in the way. MR is poorly optimised. I'm not even gonna go into balancing cause it's a new game.

[@JFirecracker]

Titanfall 3 died for _this_

[@THE-CRIMSON-CAPTAIN]

It disgusts me.

[@flamingwolfx]

Good titan fall sucked

[@THE-CRIMSON-CAPTAIN]

@@flamingwolfx bait used to be believable

[@flamingwolfx]

@@THE-CRIMSON-CAPTAIN honest to god not bait. That game was ass it felt clunky the guns weren’t fun to use. It was a cool concept but ultimately there was a reason it died so fast. It wasn’t a good game in the slightest

[@RawTimee]

Apex was so good up until they took out arenas, thats when they started declining. And thats also when i left the game, theres was rlly no point to get rid of arenas in the first place, it was alot of fun.

[@chriselkins6771]

Arenas def didn't kill the game, it had almost no players to the point that it just got full of hackers especially in ranked, there was almost no server population. That's just one of those things people say they miss but nobody played it anyway. That being said, removing a way to play and not/barely ever adding any new ways did contribute to its death

[@kae1839]

no one played arenas be for real lmao. max the same 3 trios all the time.

[@Balboainc]

Yea I thought arenas was fun not sure why it was removed

[@mercy1769]

Same

[@InsomniacUN]

​@@chriselkins6771I mean, they added Mixtape. That pretty much replaced Arenas and was much more popular. In fact, I'm pretty sure the peak player count for Apex comes from around the time Mixtape was added.

[@yacooss2058]

You could swap "overwatch" in for like 80% of the times he says "apex legends" and this video would still be true.

[@AlphaNinjaFTW1]

Not really

[@RxsetintedEyes]

I am (or was) an Apex Legends player, I had played most every season (minus Season 4 - 5) and I had an actually fun time with early Apex Legends, it was new, it was fun everything was in a decent spot imo, but as soon as the game started to grow and grow more the game deviated from what I once held near and dear to my heart and I finally gave up on Apex Legends around the time the map "Broken Moon" got released, I had played the game up until I finished the pass and just left and never looked back -- until I returned to see that new character who I believe is Chinese and was a new "villain" character? But after a few weeks I remembered why I hated Apex and it was the EOMM system and the rampant cheaters and just all round a shell of what it once was to a LOT of us Apex players. I had finally reached Diamond as a solo-queue in season 12 right before they had that shift from the semi-comp to full on "you need to sweat your ass off so your team does not lose RP." Then they changed that up to where as long as you camped and got a few picks you were boosted upwards. I still have fond memories of Apex Legends, but these days... its just a game I have no faith in anymore because EA is the most negligent, money-hungry, soul-sucking corporation any gaming studio could EVER be acquired by because EA does not care for creativity or anything -- only that you, the player, give them your hard earned cash to make their execs more rich and negligent, while also be litigious when it comes to community creations (granted they are less litigious than nintendo lets be honest here.) I genuinely feel like Apex will continue to decline until the day EA realizes they will have to pull the plug on the game and Respawn as a company. This will of course -- happen to BioWare as well, as more people realize that BioWare is not the BioWare we had once but these EA plants that EA sent in to fill up positions of people they deemed "unworthy" of staying on a paygrade by EA. Hence why there is again DEI in all your EA games now. But that is not the point, the point is: EA has neglected the developers, the community and everyone who made Apex what it was and now the game suffers as a consequence of this, and soon Respawn will be shut down because they could not retain the players. This is the harsh truth and reality I have faced with Apex Legends and any game or studio with Electronic Arts attached to the name or company.

[@skyjames8262]

very well put, but sad to read

[@V3rmintide]

“In their own way” is a crazy way to refer to the well documented awful labor practices of the ccp…

[@mikey2555]

I started loving my kids again after quitting Apex

[@luisenriqueruizestrada1398]

Its funny how this in game his launch was seem to be the fortnite competitor to the point Fortnite give the season 8 battle pass for FREE. And now fortnite evolve in some many ways meanwhile Apex become a Gacha FPS.

[@FaultyStar274]

Hearing Titanfall in 2025 hurts yet soothes my soul. Protocol 3. Also something else to mention; cod has been using EOMM since cod mw22.

[@gardenofwords914]

As someone who played apex day 1 and marvel rivals day 1 marvel rivals is insanely polished by comparison especially with the fast matchmaking. Apex and rivals had the same amount of pace in terms of catching alot of players at once but even in season 0 apex matchmaking was slow.

[@undyne6280]

That fucking line of dialogue that we can realistically say about a Videogame in our actual society is insane 12:50

[@GulagPapi]

2:46 fats not knowing its naruto swing music lol

[@ADHDLOOCHI]

Fats 💀

[@altoid3453]

I 100% believe the fantastic 4 were meant to be season 0 characters but something got pushed back. Like, Season 0 was Dr Doom, that's the fantastic 4s main villian. Season 1 will have new York taken over by Dracula and that's Blades Villian. We know we are getting blade and the fantastic 4. We also know at some point soon we are getting Ultron.

[@ihopeyouandicanbefriends]

its really hard these days to trust larger studios with the responsibility to actually make a good game

[@ihopeyouandicanbefriends]

also this guy should've brushed his teeth

[@anthonysale1490]

If u spend ur time trying to please everyone, you'll always wind up pleasing no one.

[@ThaLiveKing]

The problem with Apex is that it's in its own universe, and the folks that created that universe is gone. TitanFall 2 had more different types of modes than Apex. They should follow the bluprint.

[@ir0nfistalex]

Started playing week 1 of release and I haven’t touched the game in about 2 months. I have about 12k career games played and about 10k of those are from season 0-11. My love for the game started to die by season 12 and the numbers prove it. Playing solo is just impossible, the odds stacked against a solo player is just unreal especially when 3 stacks are in the lobby. Matchmaking is a very big part of the game’s current state. Although the game has been mismanaged, I do believe it is salvageable if EA allows Respawn to listen to the community to ACTUALLY improve the game’s quality of life for ALL players.

[@weaksword]

Instead of blacklisting Wattson, they shouldve listened to wtf he was saying. So here we are now, games in the worse state its ever been.

[@mickzerofive]

that season launch video has their characters partying and drinking alcohol at a bar... do i need to go on?

[@canibiso]

I liked apex but it got unbelievably unfun to go against preds in my silver/gold lobbies. I’m not terrible at the game, but there is no reason I should be going against people who outrank me by such a large amount.

[@chroniccomplainer3792]

12:30 i really disagree with flats and his community. Rivals is unbelievably polished. The replay system is one of the best in the industry. Ive never struggled to add a friend, view a friends lobby, or accept an invite to squad up. Leaderboards, Stats, UI is all perfect. Not much cheaters. Less bugs than average. Im not sure the roster is properly balanced but the infrastructure of the game is world class "polished". Chinese devs did an amazing job.

[@chriselkins6771]

I played apex since 2021 till about a month ago. For the past 12-16 months its been like pulling a dead horse out to pull my wagon. But the core gameplay is so good that no other games did it for me so i just kept pushing through it. Once Rivals came out, its such a relief off my shoulders to finally have another fun game with great core gameplay elements. I havent even thought about playing it since and its great, seeing the content we are already getting in Rivals is crazy, im left always thinking man Apex could never do this. I actually feel a desire to buy stuff in this game just to support whats happening. Not seeing no new content and only 400$+ gambling events every 2 weeks is so refreshing

[@PeakedPanda]

S13 pros loved the FIRST SPLIT of season 13 - but not the second one. It was so ultra competitive that gold lobbies felt like top .5% player lobbies. it drove a lot of players away from gold all the way up through diamond.. The few that were left ended up being on teams or lobbies with pro players who were masters or pred.. and they had a system where you would earn LESS points if you killed players ranks below you. So Preds and masters were sometimes LOSING RP even though they might have come in second and even first in the lobby. And then all the pros, even wattson have stated they want apex to go back to this system.. and I have time and again have told not only Wattson but others, they are flat out wrong. A rank system should be a system designed to get progressively harder as you climb the ranks matching you with players as near close to your skill level as possible and your speed to climb to the top slows down as you progress. It should be a system designed to see how well you stack up against the ENTIRE playerbase from shitter to high level player. Thats not what wattson and others want. They want a GRIND play often, win often, in order to reach the highest levels possible no matter the rank. Many believe that apex rank should be a gateway into esports.. again.. wrong. Ranked playlists SHOULD NOT be a gateway into esports, that should never be the focus of a rank playlist because you have to take into account the low end player as well as the high end .. i.e. bronze wood all the way to Master or Grand master or WHATEVER. That does NOT sound like a good way to be an introduction into esports. Instead what they should do is bring the rank system back to like season 11 or 10 just before 12/13 and THEN add an additional TOURNAMENT bracket or mode that can be entered if you have the credentials to enter the mode, a specific rank or whatever. Where THOSE players compete for ladder points and prestige. I've been told many many MANY times by the apex community that this was a bad idea, and wrong.. Well guess what Marvel Rivals does... Quick Match... Ranked... and Tournament mode... and they are doing it RIGHT.

[@neuffexx]

As a former apex player, its sad to see the game in the state that it is. Of course that implies that I left the game too, and I did, but because I simply swapped to another game that I just had more fun with (OW2). Respawn never really listened to the community, changes always seemed 'strange' like they never really followed an overarching vision of the game, making it unpredictable and usually something I never wanted to begin with as a competitive player. And it didnt help that they never had the cheater problem under control. All I can hope is that the rumors of TF3 being true, and they have someone steering that project with beter intentions for the game than the people that have been running Apex into the ground for years.

[@Alirezarz62]

EA and Blizzard trying to race over who can destroy their games and franchises faster

[@DaceFPS]

The issue with apex ranked is that the S12 to S13 was such a hard shift several people that i tried to team with said they were skipping S13 ranked bc it was pointless. They thought it was too sweaty and not worth the effort since they could wait for an easier season and get a higher rank for less stress. EVERYONE KNEW apex was like this. However, i think S13 was a step in the right direction with some minor issues. If the only changes they made was to slightly lower entry cost per match, or add some solo queue forgiveness so solo queuers don’t get punished as harshly from dying off drop (random teammates are hard to coordinate with) the game would be fine. Not everyone should be diamond or masters. People would get used to the new rank system if they didnt flip flop and try to please everyone. It’s RANKED. It should be damn hard the higher you climb. That being said, S13 had amazing fundamental structure just needed very minor tweaks. Instead they reworked and botched ranked over and over. Shout out S17 when 1/3 of players that played more than 4 hours of ranked mode got to masters(one pro got to pred with 0 damage delt).

[@Spika94]

I was really enjoying Apex for about 50 hours, almost every match felt balanced, but then, after crossing that 50 hour mark, I played for another 50 where the game was unplayable GARBAGE. My teammates would always move to a hotspot regardless if you controlled the descent or not, and when they get downed, they would leave the game immediately even if you won the fight. And every lobby had at least 3-4 pred players, sometimes even more. DUDE! I don't even know the name of half the guns, and am maybe low-mid silver at best, why am I playing in these lobbies!?!? I was bullied out of the game pretty much. So I quit.

[@aarongibbs2260]

The amount of people that would crucify me in the apex subreddit for commenting the same shit was ludicrous. I hate that I got addicted to this game for so long, and I hate the community that keep justifying EA’s bullshit.

[@skyjames8262]

apex was my game for four years, I have 5k hours, it was my first ever fps and was so damn good during its prime. it just doesn’t feel the same anymore and I started to play overwatch for about a year but now rivals has taken over that, I hope it sticks around for a while. I really wish ea put some love into apex, it is really sad to see apex in the state that it is now, I invested so much time and money into that game and to see it go down like this feels bad.

[@Mustar1989]

I tried to get back into 2 weeks before the tournament hacking incident. I went into ranked I remember my 3rd match climbing up I grouped with a Master level player who proceeded to dumbster the entire lobby by himself. It felt awful and I didn't want to play because I didn't want to be on the receiving end of that nightmare.

[@Qantaviz]

Bro paused it 1 million times 😭

[@redblazingbanana9153]

To think I played apex legends from it's launch until season 6, took a break for 2 years, joined back at season 11 and quite at season 12

[@Texansfan59]

years ago i loved and played apex but i had to stop when matchmaking, cheating, and monetization became massive issues

[@karmichel]

People in America are saying apex is dying, imagine in other parts of the world... EA doesn't give a shit about other places besides North America and Europe, now that the game is in a dire state they suddenly realized "oh, people in Asia still likes us, let's do our algs there" they went back and forth doing algs in Europe and north America... The first one outside these two places took YEARS to come...

[@echronothemiserable1500]

Competitive games are rising and dying as fast as they come tbh. Streamers hop on, there's a section of players that start trying to compete with streamers, the other section are players who play casually. The sweats kill off the casual players, the sweats eventually kill off the streamers, then the game dies because no one wants to play

[@killerbrogaming2845]

I started in s5 and stopped at s12. It was so fun.

[@9THDEATH]

i hope hiswattson finds a good path of content creation after apex

[@caeserrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

Apex got my entire EA Account perma banned falsely and i lost access to every online game I had in my library including in my epic and steam library. On top of it all every single player games that did rely on online services broke. The customer service was horrible and useless and I have come across many people who faced this same issue. I will forever despise EA as a company and I hope they go bankrupt.

[@elijahpark5344]

If any of you think Overwatch is bad (and it is dumpster fire bad), there is always worse. Grass ain't greener on the other side, the grass is on fire. The only difference is that you can't arrest your neighbors for attempted arson.

[@ellis20022]

its unfortunate because apex IS fun at a base level. the movement, the concept - it feels like you're in the hunger games. its art style is less childish than fortnite. i was really into apex for a few months but the problems with cheaters immediately made me leave and go back to other games like League, where at the time cheating was very common but at least in a game like League cheating doesn't give you much of an advantage, unlike FPS games where you just beam someone in the head and they're out of the game for good. even overwatch, you can still outskill with decision making that aimbot cant compete with.i don't know how much of a problem it still is in apex, but it made the game completely unplayable even as a casual-mode only player, because people liked to farm content.

[@collieallover]

what game is flats originally known for?

[@araratamedi]

Overwatch i think

[@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629]

he was a r6 player from console, then swaped to overwatch 1 in its later stages becoming a tank main streamer... rest is history

[@fluxus6999]

16:53 out of context but valorant "kind of" leading towards the same turn too

[@MrMultiPlatform]

Casual has nothing to do with skill. I really wish people would understand this fact.

[@GoldenDeer_]

Tangent for Marvel Rivals. I heard people complaining about how Marvel Rivals is set to release like 10 heroes in one year while Overwatch released like 3. I feel like people forget that Overwatch is all original characters while Rivals is pre established characters with pre established powers that they just have to model basically. Also 4 heroes in 1 season sounds like a balancing nightmare. I don’t want to glaze Overwatch because its balance is piss poor but Rivals view of balance really irks me.

[@nolankostka]

Every apex game I get into my teammates has 100-200 damage, pushes into full teams, gets shit on, then leaves

[@DasOmen02]

I'm glad he brought up Titanfall! I think to have a conversation about the life and potential death of Apex without mentioning Titanfall would be a disservice at best and dishonest at worst.

[@g9blin603]

I couldnt even hear the music loud enough to know it was naruto until you pointed it out. No wayyy he dissin the goats music like that

[@VerdugoMoment]

The comment you made on the community is so true. I stuck with Destiny 1 and 2 for much too long because of the community and friends id made on the game. Felt like stockholm syndrome lmao

[@POW3RSAUC3]

Apex has had the same major issues for years. Servers suck ass, sound is broken more than it works, the devs care more about releasing cosmetics instead of actual content. At this point, they are just milking whales.

[@dawsonrudis4642]

that EA patent answered like... half of my questions

[@DatBoiSaint]

If it wasn't for BLGS, a whole separate B league, Apex Legends would have died last year as we all waited for ALGS Champs. Also Falcons went from the unstoppable Super team to not even being able to win a B League 😂 7:31 i don't want to play shit players, i want everyone to be on an equal playing field, Solo Q only. That way you have no excuses on why i beat you.

[@ivanfelipe240]

"It wasn't the game it was the community" so fucking sad but its true

[@ry9nbloom]

solace in the chat "EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I EDITED THIS VIDEO!!!!!"

[@ThomasTheTankEngine22]

Rivals is extremely polished. It's just not balanced. Those are two different things

[@Maria_Banks]

Apex and Overwatch burning at the same time? A dream come true. Add Destiny 2 in there and we have the holy trinity of examples of what not to d with your game

[@johnweebfps]

polished means the game works and complete with replay system and rank top list, balance is a different issue

[@BanWeightWatchers-o3j]

Last time I heard about apex I heard about the cheating getting out of control. Also heard from cheaters it was the most fun game to cheat in. The video was some KZbinr who somehow got queued with three cheaters. One didn't talk, one was high, and other said how fun it was to cheat.

[@mjtheclown4679]

apex deserves it, the prices for the skins and extras were shocking from the start. but they could have still got away with it if they didn’t bring the new battle pass system into the game. that truly showed them to be a money hungry company and that is what ruined the game, as well as balancing and lack of characters towards the end.

[@Kiobao]

Crazy, marvel rivals releases and people are seeing a lot of other games may not likely recover and voicing their opinions with their games, hoping devs will listen now that theres some solid competition. Ive heard a lot of valorant players also voicing their concerns and quitting for Marvel rivals. Same with overwatch and apex players. It really proves that there are a lot of people have been upset with their games and just waiting for anything that seems fun and have been struggling, sticking to their fallback game until something better came up.

[@imdabous1970]

Damn, Titanfall died so Apex could also die... Eventually

[@ojamran1987]

I think hiswattson meant polished as in not too many bugs that are breaking the game

[@MetalGearedKaugummi]

Should've developed TF3 instead of milking Apex, EA cant help themselves it's been that way since BF3 guys (over 10 years ago btw)

[@aidanhogan2538]

I played apex within a few weeks of its launch, and I quit around season 15 or so. I just couldn't do it anymore, man. I got super into it during covid, and I used to play with a couple of lads from Europe (I wrecked my sleep schedule lol). We would grind up to Diamond back when it meant something, just rip out a 24 hour day of games and go all in. So many good memories were made my XBOX started counting the time I had played in DAYS instead of hours (~3200 hours lmao). I watched my favorite game ever decline in real time, and it fucking sucks. I hope every executive responsible for Apex's downfall steps on a tack every day for the rest of their miserable lives.

[@DabinDonut]

One of the weirdest things to me about apex is that this is probably the only game ive seen where playing by yourself is an ltm. Like, i want to play by myself without being at a fundimental disadvantage, yet they keep making solos an ltm

[@nero_kuchi]

As a previous apex player I can understand why he says marvel rivals was "polished"