Fletching Noise and Animals Jumping the String l Ranch Fairy TEST LAB

[@wgmadden1]

"Hit a rib? There's like a dozen of them, stupid." Love the humor and more importantly you bring up some great points. If you ever figure out silent fletching let us know!

[@RanchFairy]

Glenn Madden Thanks. There’s actually 13 per side, but hey, that number isn’t lucky!

[@randya55]

Fletch with owl feathers.

[@msh441]

It almost seems like the actual sound volume isn’t much different between the arrows, but the tone change from lite-to-heavy is very apparent. Fascinating stuff.

[@jj-ve9wy]

Troy, thanks for doing all the homework for us . And teaching me the important difference between archery and bow hunting.

[@smplatek]

This is great stuff. I know you mentioned below not having time to test additional hypotheses, but it might be neat for someone (not me, I don't have a feeder with pigs or anything coming to it :( to see at what distance the animal no longer "jumps the string" - I agree with others. They are not jumping the string, but responding to something not of the norm for them. The speed of sound is about 1200 ± feet per second (depending on humidity) and the speed of average nerve conduction is 50-100 meters (150-300 feet) / second. So the sound wave is hitting them and sending of a sympathetic nervous system response, "Flight". Really cool stuff. I bet folks are going to start lacing their corn with xanax to slow that response... bahahaaa. not. Thanks again for posting great stuff.

[@shamrock5725]

The xanax part got me >.

[@richcollins3490]

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words, planning on the animals reacting that way can only make us better archers, which is what we all want. Thanks for the great video's and research.

[@1Reddogroad]

my idea is: the "game" hears something they don't like. drops down to load up to prepare for launch . i don't believe they are ducking the arrow. there getting away from a sound they don't like. same difference i guess. :-) good video , very entertaining - thanks.

[@RanchFairy]

1Reddogroad This is exactly our thesis. It doesn’t matter what it is, it’s coming fast!

[@RanchFairy]

1Reddogroad We kept looking at the footage and it wasn’t until we videoed the arrows and heard the combination of sounds that it clicked

[@1Reddogroad]

we need video on this ! i've always said game don't "see" it coming they hear it coming !! was at bow shop , guy was sayin' he had early season doe on video , drop & load for launch at the "click" of his release !! WOW

[@RanchFairy]

1Reddogroad I’ve pondered this video a ton, lots of comments too. In my eyes it’s groundbreaking stuff. I don’t know what we can do about it!!! Silly molecules in the air sitting still and something going through it makes noise! Fact!!! I guarantee one thing. HUGE shot placement issue. More to come.

[@SmootherPebbles]

'jumping the string' is a real thing no doubt, they hear the string and the arrow flight and are reacting, but not necessarily knowing about actual location or id of threat yet. but big thing is the whitetail startle reflex involves drawing legs to preload escape jump, shoulders and hips drop accordingly. in general target heart w lungs as safety net

[@matthewfox3760]

I’m working on an arrow suppressor 🤫 Small front fletching’s in a reverse rotation causing a small vacuum to form around the Arrow has so far been the most successful attempt at suppressing arrow noise. Also putting many small holes in your fletching has been shown to make a significant suppression of noise

[@TierNoneOperator]

Where you at with this? Very curious about it.

[@MikeyMikesOutdoorsTV]

After watching all of his videos then watch the “Pro hunters” everything Troy has said is completely true. I know for Dam sure I’ll be making the switch this season to Adult arrows and broad heads. Thanks Troy for all the research and legwork you have done for all of us.

[@jasonito1723]

Amen brother. I wish I came across this stuff when it first came out. I'm about to strip fletchings and start over and try to build some adult arrows next.

[@strick9351]

Just found your channel, knew of Ashby and followed years ago in the trad world, holds true period, you ain't wrong! Excellent video and points my man. Something else to consider, when the animal loads up , meaning hunches rear to shoulders and shoulders down, that movement compresses the ribs at the bottom of the cavity closer together as well as contracts all the connective tissue between them " tightening the armor" so to speak. From what I have seen this evasive movement is almost always combined simultaneously with the body twisting in a curve away from the shot which now creates further compaction of that skeletal and connective tissue on the on shot entrance side all accordion style.. Cool Stuff Ranch! Ma Nature knows a thing or two about survival.

[@eddiealvarez5493]

That was FANTASTIC Troy! Keep it Coming RF.🇺🇸

[@RyMuEntertainment]

Lol. Man ...I'm here in city thinking I need to go hunting, but wow... Bow hunting actually interest me now Ranch. Thank you sir. Good stuff✊🏽

[@RanchFairy]

RyMuEntertainment Keep us posted!!

[@peterlong3391]

Highly recommend it’s a fantastic time

[@glennprince9983]

New to your channel and think I figured it out. We should just start shooting animals that are deaf. If that can’t hear it coming no more jumping the string. Only problem is trying to figure out which ones is deaf. Lol. Love your channel man. Have a good one

[@MrFishguy60]

If they are anything like me that would be the old ones. Lol

[@apachetrail6232]

@@MrFishguy60 lol

[@HVACRat]

This is what I tell mech shooters when they ask about fixed blade heads and they say, "Shot placement is key!" I say, "Yes, but you have no idea where you will hit that animal, it is MOVING when the arrow hits!" My philosophy is that I shoot a 'worse case scenario' arrow, this way no matter what I hit I will get the most penetration possible; be that soft tissue or bone. Keep up the good work Brutha!

[@RanchFairy]

HVACRat Hey! Someone gets it! Thanks for the props. Forward to those with “penetration performance” issues.

[@michaelrosa5410]

Well you have adult arrows,,,,and some have adult BOWS. Adult bows make a difference too ! I have never seen until now how a hog rolls,and I been hunting them for over 30 years. lol Explains alot of things after you recover them and examine your arrow path,and where you aimed,to where it impacted. Makes me now think when I thought I was an inch or two off my aim spot, I might have made a better shot then I thought. lol Excellent stuff here. KE is one thing, momentum another, and FOC yet another. They all can work together for the better good,,,,,like crushing 7 vertebrae ,,,,,now that was awesomeness !

[@matthewsavageau3650]

This is an old thread, but it's so hard to find something about the sound of the arrow making game duck. I'm glad to have come across this video. Everyone just assumes it's always the bow. I am new to bow hunting, but I can tell you my arrow is definitely louder than my bow. I've been watching various shot videos and it seems to me game more often ducking the arrow, not the bow. When you watch some longer range bow shots, slow down the video and watch. The animal typically doesn't react until the arrow gets close to them. Glad you showed how at a certain arrow weight the arrow noise got quieter (probably because of lower speed through the air) Observation: As shot distances change. Time till animal reacts changes. (given a quiet bow) But no matter the distance the animal is shot, they seem to react with the arrow the same distance from them. This tells me they are not hearing the bow, but are hearing the arrow when it gets close to them. Pigs in Texas are pests. If you ever get the chance to stretch out your range and record it, I would be interested in seeing that video of how close the arrow gets before the animal reacts. This could prove they are reacting to the arrow. If you wanted to go all out... a video camera could be mounted at the feeder, pointed down at where the pigs go. It would be interesting to review the footage and see if the pigs reacting, is at the same time the camera starts picking up the arrow noise. I have gotten my arrows to quiet down a lot with no fetching :), but I guess that doesn't help with broad heads on front. Another idea would be to try making fetching from different materials, floppy soft, to metal stiff, to see how that affects arrow noise. May not solve anything or be unusable in real world situations, but could help with vane design in the future. I've also heard, through 5th hand knowledge, that vented broad-heads make more noise than a solid blade. You tell me?

[@RanchFairy]

I’ve shot at them further - it gets WORSE. To the point that I moved my feeders and shots under 20 yards 25 was a high guessing game on impact. The arrow itself - moving through the atmosphere is noise - Remember - animals live in a VERY quiet ecosystem and don’t have social media 😂 I bet arrows sound like a jet plane to them. Now how do I speak to a deer ??

[@matthewsavageau3650]

@@RanchFairyGood to know for me being new to the bow game. I'll keep'em closer when I start bow hunting. They really do sound like a jet don't they. It's amazing how much you can hear when you are far away from any roads, cities, or industry. I get alert when I hear a squirrel touch a leaf, so I can only imagine how tuned the animals are that live there all the time. Funny enough, I've had deer stand 10ft from me while standing, in the open, with a full solid orange jumpsuit, because I didn't move at all. When I am hunting for them I often will catch the white tail bounding off when trying to be sneaky, but when tromping through the woods, with my kids, being loud from the moment we park, We seem to walk up on and spook more deer or have them come to use to investigate. Small children make really good bait for coyotes also. Most of the time when I take my kids to the gun range or woods, is when coyotes come to the sound of their high pitched voices. In fact the only success I've had at calling in coyote is when I, or friends bring our kids and let them chatter. Of course we aren't actually having them stand out in a field, by them selves, acting as bait, but it's just fun to say our kids are the most attractive bait for coyotes. Your videos have helped me streamline the process and save time & money, getting to a couple arrow weights and perfect bow tune. Once I found out their is tunning in the arrows and bow, and how precise, bows can be, I finally have gained a lot of interest in bow shooting and hunting, where I had little interest in it till now. I'm a firearm guy who has enjoyed fine tuning hand loads, stock work, and rifle tuning to ring out extreme precision out of my rifles, so Its kind of fun learning that bows have the same potential to learn and improve on and aren't just a stick, with a string, shooting another stick that cannot be tuned in any way. If you handload rifle, Here are some thing's Ive figured out over the decades. The most important to rifle accuracy (exluding the person), in order. 1. A good barrel 2. The bullet, I always judge my rifles on if they can shoot the following: Barnes TSX, Nosler accubond, Sierra Gamekings, Sierra Match Kings. If I can't get any of these to shoot, I have never found any other other bullets to shoot any better so I get a new barrel or a new gun. 3. consistant loading practices, that anyone mechanically inclined or does machining can use their comment sense to figure out. 4. powder. 5. brass. I don't even mess with trying different primers as all the previous listed seem to get me to 1/4MOA and that's good enough for me. Hornady is a great company, but stay away from them for judging whether you have precision rifle or not Switch to Sierra and you'll notice a difference right away. Remember Barnes TSX, most all Sierras, Nosler accubonds, and I could throw in bergers, but they are expensive for being a target only bullet.

[@Bobb1julie]

Hi Troy ..I agree with you 💯 % totally. You can be the best archer in the world but you can’t overcome the scrunch and turn factor. It’s there and always will be. The only advantage that you have is the point of impact is where you want it to be..+/- 4”-6”.Nice presentation!!👍

[@matthewfox3760]

You may also want to record this noise and play it at your feeder stations You might be able to train the deer / pigs to salivate at the sound of arrows buzzing in for the kill

[@ToddCBrown]

Love the physical testing of this stuff. Data is GOOD. But, RF paints with sarcasm like van Gogh. Master of the craft. Has me roll'n.

[@RanchFairy]

Language of the intelligent

[@leveraction767]

Ranch Ferry... I have been aware (as have many others from the old world) of this "Noise" you speak of. Back in our day, we saw this and concluded that it was the head that added the noise, that we could not control. Many of us (back then) leaned toward the 3/1 ratio head, to help in this regard. This thought process has faded along with our numbers, over the Melania. Maybe you are (once again) bringing the old knowledge back to the present? OR maybe, you are proving us wrong? Maybe half wrong? Back then, we didnt have plastic vanes. So we didnt query that, at that time. Anyway... Maybe you could run some shots with broadheads? some of the popular 1/1 ratio and the old time 3/1 heads. Some with no vanes, so we can hear, just the heads and some arrows with field points, plastic V.S. feathers. Then end with the best of steering with the best of heads. Finalizing with a best of best (vanes/heads) on a hunt, showing side by side reaction times of that arrow as compared to the arrow of the past. I think the study would be not only excellent but that you are the one to address this, at this time. You and You're best man (B.M.) that is. As always... Great stuff my man (Men) and thank you!

[@RanchFairy]

Lever Action Thanks for the idea. We may give it a go in the future. The most revealing thing for me was he broadhead arrows, some with canes, some with feathers. 3:1 heads to the 1.5” wide Steelforce. All 5 animals shots showed the jump. We think it’s a combination of the bow thump and consistent noise approaching a wild animal who’s only thought is “here comes an unidentified SOMETHING” and they pull the rip cord.

[@RanchFairy]

Lever Action We believe it’s the arrow literally moving through 14.7 PSI - atmospheric pressure. Feathers are the loudest for sure - but they weren’t designed by God to fly the way we use them. More to come

[@MiaogisTeas]

@@RanchFairy Agreed. And animals are not reacting because they hear it and think about it, they're reacting by reflex. We can't outrun that reaction without supersonic projectiles. I have a feeling the thump of the bow is a more startling sound to them than the zizz of an arrow. Being a low sound they'd feel it since bass travels through solid objects and is an unnatural sound for them, too.

[@MrFishguy60]

We did the same tests 3 years ago. The guy using the helical vanes couldn't get rid of the buzz, however, I use 1-2% off-set straight fletch, mine didn't have that sound. So, if we offset the camera so the mic picks up the sound from an angle the buzz was way louder than straight under the animals head or straight behind the animal head. We had almost "0" buzz with the cam angle like it was the animals ears. From the side of the arrow, the helical vanes sounded like a boat prop going by, 3-4 times as loud as behind or under the head of the target. Mine had "0" buzz from the side, or behind or under, there was little to no sound, just the bow thump, mine were shot at 285-FPS with a 370-grain arrow. The helical vaned arrows were tried at 410 and 500-grains. If we shot them at the same speed there was no difference in the sound of the buzz. The slower we shot them the less sound we heard. Your cam looks to be at a slight angle not where the deer's ears would be in relation to the arrow travel? Mine were flex-fletch, his were AAE just like yours. I think it was the helical, causing the buzz, could have been the vanes? A guy may try some of this, I believe you're on to something. I just don't think you're done with the test yet. I don't have that buzz, so I'm not playing with it anymore. I think you can get rid of it all together and end up with less animal reaction.

[@ronniehallmark1278]

Love this. So funny. Dude your hilarious. Keep the camera rolling. I like the heavy arrrow/fixed broad deal.

[@bobbystevens4087]

Very interesting and informative video well done Troy. Many years ago I accidentally stumbled across the fact that staggered veins are quieter. I was actually testing the firenock aerovane with my wife behind a tree and yes they were a little quieter but the staggered vanes were very quiet. I know the further back fletching aids stability but the stealth advantage is huge.

[@RanchFairy]

Will explore

[@madhuntsadventures]

Awesome video with solid content! ...and very entertaining of course! Because of your videos I’m changing over to adult arrows!

[@brad4010]

That Cha-Cha music made me react like a pig getting shot at... SO LOUD

[@RanchFairy]

Brad Garland Ah man, I thought I fixed that - apologies.

[@MrFishguy60]

@@RanchFairy I'm also a videographer and I get it. It's the last step for me to blend all the audio and we are worn out by then. Lol

[@alexc9624]

So glad I saw this comment before that scene came.

[@xphile4938]

Omg the cha cha music is loud lol. Informative video thank you

[@ericwiitala5407]

Can't get enough of your videos. So much logic.

[@cjherriman7226]

Great video! Due to a corrupt SD card 🤬 I can’t share my texas whitetail destruction from this past fall where I shoot 4 deer with 4 different broadheads and get very interesting results. Keep the videos rolling learning a lot and appreciate the science

[@bunky6765]

I have always aimed low for all the reasons stated in this video. Great video btw.

[@RanchFairy]

bunky6765 Thank you. Please spread the fairy dust and send this to those who might benefit. It was truly eye opening and the variability in reaction too. I mean, they are pigs man! You’d think they would be a bit more user friendly.

[@diezelj8]

I just start it bow hunt two years ago and all I remember was my buddy saying “wait till they put their head down and shoot.... anndddd always aim a little lower then normal because they flinch “ and so far first time with a bow and got a doe. Last year I got two. And brother keep on with the jokes love that hahahaha and super informative videos bud!!!

[@RanchFairy]

diezelj8 Awesome!! Lower 1/3 right above the elbow!

[@donaldfitzgerald6437]

Just Doing A Bit Of Homework & Came Across Your Vlog, Some Great Educational Information You're Bringing The People....And Some Really Need It LOL!.... Love Your Teaching Method, Pure Science, New Tech & Knowing Your Animal, Not To Mention Common Sense!.... Had To Laugh, You Watched A Lot Of Jim Carrey While Growing-Up, I Bet! LOL!

[@donaldfitzgerald6437]

After Leaving My Comment I HAD To Read A Lot Of The Other Replies As Well As Some Of Yours..... My Only Question To YOU Is, "Why Do You Use Feather Fletching 100% Of The Time?" Being It's The Loudest.....I Know It's The Lightest, But For What Other Reasons?

[@MiaogisTeas]

Amazing work. Have you tried traditional bows over compound? Especially with string dampeners. We find that light arrows cause more vibration, hand shock, and noise than heavy arrows. 10~12 gpp seems to be a sweet spot. Get diminishing returns on bow efficiency after that as heavier arrows require higher poundage, which means more mass in the bow limbs, which means less energy imparted to the arrow etc. Another thing we find in the traditional world is asymmetrical bow limbs help with a myriad of issues caused by modern bows, chief among them vibration and therefore noise.

[@MrFishguy60]

Great video. I bet you're using helical vanes to get that buzz. You're great to watch on video, keep up the good work. .

[@richhunter515]

Just heard you on the DIY sportsman podcast. Love the enthusiasm and knowledge! Subscribed!

[@RanchFairy]

Thanks man. More to clme

[@DarxusC]

A lot of people say longbows are quieter. Yesterday I read a guy saying he was getting second shots because stuff doesn't run. Test it? Get a 40 pound draw weight longbow with a Dacron B-50 (stretchier and quieter than fast flight) Flemish twist (stretchier and quieter than endless loop) string (both of which are typical for a longbow), shoot some of your nice heavy arrows, and check how much noise those make, and how much animals drop. Sure, you lose a lot of efficiency and speed, but if animals stop dropping, is it worth it? Also, at 10:42, you said the pigs didn't react to the sound of cutting the blind. You're saying they're not reacting to the noise until it gets closer to them. I suspect the effect you're seeing is the time it takes for the speed of sound to get from the bow to the pig. So they are reacting the instant the sound of the arrow being released gets to them.

[@jeremiahthomas1684]

I love this video it has really opened things up for me.

[@RanchFairy]

Jeremiah Thomas Thanks! Send it around to your friends - we posted it because it sure explains a lot about “weird hits”. I’ve wondered about it for 20 years until we caught it on video. Stay tuned!

[@JamesSmullins]

This is why the archers with the fastest kill times shoot lower than where the vitals are at release with whitetails. Aim lower and it allows for that drop deer do. It also helps if in a elevated stand to aim with the exit in mind more than the entry.

[@joshuagenung5212]

What if the deer jumps instead…

[@sissybug4ever]

good video man, a lot of points well made. I like em heavy and slow,

[@nass7070]

You the man!!! They are dragqueens with theme twizzlers and flappers!!!! Cheers straight from Quebec Canada!!!! Love your videos stay real!!!

[@mkshffr4936]

Have to remember the speed of sound is not infinity so the sound of the bow will take some time to reach the animal's ear and then it takes time for them to react. The sound of the arrow of course keeps getting closer as the arrow travels. Makes it a little tough to know for sure when they are reacting to which sound.

[@RanchFairy]

That’s problem number one. The big thing we cannot resolve. Ever How much each individual animal will react What direction that animal will go after they react. 100% unpredictable.

[@MrFishguy60]

All your seeing in the 6-yards part is the time it takes for the sound to get there and the reaction time lag.

[@tiberiu_nicolae]

What if you put a speaker near the feeder playing incoming arrow sounds continuously? Would they become desensitized enough to avoid any reactions at all?

[@RanchFairy]

Tiberiu Nicolae I don’t have time!!! Send us results!!!

[@andrewrogers7]

May as well constantly blast “Run Through The Jungle” and just wack one using the music as a cover. Wouldn’t have to overlay music onto the footage if you were to record...2 birds with one stone.

[@superhand2009]

@@andrewrogers7 "welcome to the rice fields mother fu..."

[@c3mac55]

Great content, this is important material to share and understand!!

[@jimscoggins1526]

Great, usable info as always!! Thanks!!

[@RanchFairy]

Jim Scoggins This one I continue to explore. It might be the biggest thing to solve in Bowhunting.

[@wolfpack4128]

From what I've seen it's the thunk that makes them drop, the buzz keeps them dropping and makes them turn.

[@MiaogisTeas]

I think you're onto it

[@kentonward97]

Love your sarcasm !! I have argued heavy till I am blue in the face but stupid doesn’t get it! The idea that any arrow or a bullet for that matter can be faster than an animal can react is ridiculous really ? Nerve impulses travel at the speed of light compared to either projectile! Electricity is that fast so why would you argue ? Not only that deer especially have almost super natural vision especially from the sides!! That’s how they can avoid a stealthy ambush. Funny humans learned to avoid arrows too back when archers were the assault weapon of the day!

[@ken244]

incredible reflex

[@bjcoveney5306]

Got to see more big Mike.... Freaken AWSOME! Love the channel!

[@RanchFairy]

KIM COVENEY Thanks - spread the news to any one you know. We’re always trying to help

[@tdmd19841]

The first 10-15 deer I have shot at when I first started I stopped them with a click or deer noise and missed the first one I hit and killed I let it walk and shot yes I shot a moving animal so then I stopped making noise ever sence I hit most of my shots yes I have missed but more then 5 deer in a row by stopping them before I shot. Saying that I do believe in the van jump as I call it love watching you videos keep them coming

[@mikemehevic5292]

Troy I don't know if you ever put the pig on springs, but if you didn't yet, I'm all for it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RanchFairy]

Working on it

[@chucklewis5396]

From the vids it really looks like its the hiss of the arrow.. great vid brotha!

[@RanchFairy]

Chuck Lewis That is what we suspect. Need a deer or pig to tell us. I’ve recently watched some Cape buffalo flinch and jump. You’d think that they wouldn’t care. It seems instinctive

[@chucklewis5396]

@@RanchFairy May be like when we hear a mosquito or bee dive bombing our ear.. I move pretty quick too!

[@RanchFairy]

Chuck Lewis Something. I have a behavioral scientist who thinks we need a fletch that sounds like something normal. Not a quiet arrow. Which is impossible. Forcing a fixed object through the atmosphere creates drag.

[@chucklewis5396]

@@RanchFairy Just design one that goes.. MOOOOOOOO! haha

[@ryanl1663]

me: this is some great information! wife: he has nice tile me: i’m change my set up wife: you’re gonna change the the backsplash then lol thanks for the vids...

[@timbow50]

Backsplash tile/granite is mighty costly. Thinking very close to the cost of a new bow? And then the labor-about the same cost as new arrows and some heavy set broad head set up. Go for it!!!!!!

[@jasonwandling4203]

A friend and I are working on an arrow combination. He started with a 340 spine Easton with 100 grain heads. He added 75 grain inserts and a 125 head. The bow was quieter and grouped better with the heavy setup but more penetration with the light setup. He dropped the inserts to 50 grain and kept the 125 and saw better results with that than the other two. 70lbs and 28” draw. 29” arrow. Im thinking the heaviest setup he had was causing too much flex in the shaft and losing momentum. I think a 300 spine with the 200 grain total weight out front will be the perfect combination.

[@RanchFairy]

Jason Wandling Nice. I assume you are shooting some kind of target. Archery targets are almost 100% friction based and they are not an accurate representation of penetration in a Hunting situation. . However, 300 spine will not be a detriment. If he’s not scared of the heavier point, it’s a better animal killer.

[@jasonwandling4203]

Ranch Fairy I agree 100%. I showed him your videos and we started experimenting. We both shot huge bucks in Ohio last season and lost them due to hitting shoulder and no penetration. I don’t care about speed and long range. I don’t shoot over 30 yards. I’m also wanting to try the EZV Sight this season. Feel free to donate one to the less fortunate.

[@RanchFairy]

Jason Wandling Man, losing big ones sucks. I hate that! You jump that arrow weight up and get some adult broadheads, that will be solved. Ha!!

[@jasonwandling4203]

Ranch Fairy I bought some magnus 125. I’m trying to work out a deal with Vantage Point Archery to get some heads from them. I’m trying to get on their field staff. I like the bishop also. I hunt the whole month of November in WV and Ohio.

[@RanchFairy]

Jason Wandling That Magnus is a good head. Any of the VPA stuff is great and you’ve seen the bishop do its thing. Just add 100 insert and at least a 125 COC broadhead. I’m finding a 300 spine arrow, 100 insert and 150 field point / broadhead to be a VERY effective combination for killing effectiveness. Keep me posted

[@beaver_creek_outdoors2010]

We did a similar sound video, I found that most mechanical broadheads whistle in flight but not very audible with a fixed blade

[@forrestmonty9519]

Love your channel Ranch Fairy is my archery hunting gospel

[@RanchFairy]

FORREST Monty Dunno if I’d push it that Far but we are trying out here!!! Thanks for watching and valuing our input. Big Mike is super helpful.

[@strixoutdoors]

Loving it man. Keep them Coming!

[@RanchFairy]

Strix Outdoors Stay tuned. “Golf bag Pig”. Coming

[@rabbit5717]

You hurt my feelings!!!! 😭 My Bow shoots a 285gr arrow with a 50gr mechanical at 387fps. And I ware a 3 piece suit In my tree stand with Stacy Adams shoes. I’m the Dude! 🤣😂

[@CepheaValve]

Sounds like the 3rd and 4th are the quietest. Why do you think that is? Is there a sweet spot for weight / sound or is it fletch/head/shot combo? Loving your channel! Getting ready for my first self built dozen and trying to decide whether to go mildly crazy or whole hog ranch fairy.

[@masonomasono]

I added rope inside my carbons and it made it insanely quiet in comparison. Lots extra overall weight.

[@lifebreadbakeryandminifarm2834]

The 600 to 700 grain seemed the quietest. Should test to see if the reaction is less with those arrows than the louder ones. They seem to react when the arrow is just a couple yards away and clearly the speed of the arrow doesn't matter. They jump when the arrow gets close to them.

[@RanchFairy]

And you’re not stupid - great observation.. What we are seeing is they react when the arrow approaches, at about the same distance (guessing about 10 feet, maybe 15 feet).

[@claytondurr2179]

Good show and thank you for the break down to the ultimate purpose. And that is the quick and honorable death of your food

[@andybrooks8311]

Lol love your videos. You absolutely tell it like it is!!!

[@missionman4539]

I just took my little pointy hat off ranch fairy !! Great stuff man !

[@RanchFairy]

mission man Thanks

[@RanchFairy]

Mission Man. I saw your comment on the Palmer. But for some reason it won't pull up to let me respond. I would use the exact same strategy. Shoot many different field points until you find the one that shoots the best. Either buy broadheads to match or engineer instert and point to match total insert and field point. Keep me posted.

[@ApexPredatorOutdoors]

This is why I use my lighter 420 grain arrows for deer. Even with a difference of a 550 grain arrow I had a deer completely duck my arrow. On whitetail you don't need anything over 500. Too slow for me. And I can still blow through a deer at 40 yards. I think the biggest variable is what you're hunting, and if you're willing to sacrifice that speed for even more penetration. If I can already passed through a deer at 40 yards why do I need more penetration? Personally I'd rather give the deer less time to react. It's all a balance, right?!

[@RanchFairy]

Apex Predator Outdoors Everything works Until you hit hard things.

[@stephenballard3759]

Hey Troy! I finally get a chance to teach you something! Deer have thirteen ribs!

[@missionman4539]

Lol at 12:40 I couldn’t stop laughing. Yes the AT experts can be fun :)

[@RanchFairy]

mission man Blow heat, test nothing, watch Dudley and the Gritty guys, test nothing - expert

[@missionman4539]

Ranch Fairy That’s why watch you brother in fact I saw a gritty Dude making fun of the way people Release the bowstring, I’ like some of dudleys stuff But as you say I’m just a hunter keep up the good work bro

[@grizzledmillennial4765]

I stopped following the Gritty dudes when the one dude harped on me and showed his lack of a sense of humor.

[@RanchFairy]

Some people get too big for their britches. But, hey, really, they aren't trying to help anyone, they have a huge following and their podcasts have an incredible audience. I am a bit different. I'd like to help people while saying crazy things.

[@RanchFairy]

The crazy things part I can’t avoid. Ha! Stay tuned. I do want people to succeed

[@jwgaz71]

Great video with great information. I am wondering if you have ever tried out the FOB instead of vanes. I haven't been able to try one because you have to use a drop away rest and I was using a whisker Biscuit for many year. I am just wondering. Thank you.

[@b3brasil]

The best Channel hahahaha

[@thirdhandman]

Troy. You have the perfect setup to do some testing of the arrow approaching the hogs to see what is actually louder to the animal. The bow? or the arrow noise? From the animal's position, my guess is the arrow will be louder. How about giving that a try?

[@apexarms5737]

Troy, I love what your doing for the bow hunting community. I gotta say though, the audio in your vids is all over the place. Im sitting here tryin to listen to how different weight arrows fly so naturally I turn up the volume. Then you roll in some sort of cha cha music and about blow my damn earholes out! Keep crushing it on the pig killing front, but for the love of God, balance out the volume. Our ears will be grateful!

[@RanchFairy]

That was an old one and I've solved that. learning curve was steep back then My apologies

[@ken244]

Im new to bow hunting. I have been shooting rifles and such for a while. There is a airgun site called Teds Holdover and one of his videos he shoots pest birds on a farm and questions if birds see the pellet just befor the impact.... very interesting.

[@stevengibau3463]

Thank you for the answer i was thinking that the crossbow arrows even thought shorter and stiffer the sell at 350 to 400 grains i was thinking maybe shooting at 650 to 700 hundred. Dont know im new at this but i will be watching you channel thank you for your time oh and ps. No brick shooting or steel drums for me lol

[@RanchFairy]

Steven Gibau I’ve had multiple folks push their bolts to the mid 500’s and they can shoot deer just about anywhere. “Save the bricks”

[@scooty7227]

I have actually watched deer do the "squat twist" at < 20 yards on out > 40 yards through my xbow scope and seen my arrow go by or just nick them.( The private land owners drone use are making the public land deer here in Louisiana @ Russell Sage jumpy.)

[@pauljordaan1514]

as whitetail have longer legs, I believe that a faster arrow is more efficient. I like heavy arrows with moderate speed. 275fps is a minimum for me. I live in africa. these animals are hard! the best setup in my opinion is the heaviest arrow you can shoot that still is around 280fps. a heavy penetrating arrow is useless if you do not hit the kill zone

[@officerfoxtrot3633]

Secret Money Hacks feeders at the test lab idea: shoot some bareshafts with a fieldpoint into the ground near a pig (because field point hunting isn’t a good idea nor is broadheads with bareshafts). Barehafts would tell us how much reaction is from fletching noise and how much is from bow noise or unchangeable arrow shaft noise

[@Martin-gg1up]

Great Job Troy.I appreciate all your videos. I have so much fun while getting a different look on stuff! You and Ted Nugent would be a block busting show on KZbin!

[@RanchFairy]

Martin Reinhardt Thank you

[@getcensored5251]

There are definitely instances where a deer doesn't react. A few days ago I shot a young 8pt from about 15 yards. He was just feeding along an old logging road and had no idea I was there. The arrow was already through him by the time he reacted. Whenever they are already tense or are looking at you they definitely react almost every time. But where I'm currently hunting isn't pressured a lot and the deer probably aren't familiar with dangerous sounds so to speak. There is also a lot of noise pollution from the nearby town and railroad so I could be fortunate in the fact that I have deer conditioned to ignore a lot of things others don't.

[@RanchFairy]

Yep. Aim like they won’t move and plan b arrow if they do!

[@helitack32f15]

Not sure you will see this question Mr. Fairy, but have you tried duplicating the Big Mike arrow sound shots with non-fletched arrows to see if that eliminates any of the sound? I would love to know if that makes a substantial difference or no difference at all. And a follow on question: If the elimination of the fletching lowered the sound enough to stop animals from jumping the string, would that make it acceptable to hunt with properly tuned non-fletched arrows?

[@ronaldwalters6027]

GOOD WORK, TWO THUMBS UP

[@Sam_Holladay]

I worked as a bow tech for several years. I had people tell me that bow X is 340fps and a deer won’t jump it. I would explain everything your video shows. String noise, vane noise in flight and anything else in the arrow.

[@RanchFairy]

Sam Holladay Well big mike runs 31” and 83#’s - he used to shoot 400 grainers - they still moved!!!

[@Sam_Holladay]

Ranch Fairy I told them the only way a deer wouldn’t jump the string, is if it was going the speed of sound and then they would probably jump the sonic boom coming from the arrow.

[@RanchFairy]

Sam Holladay can you make me a sonic boom bow? I wanna test that

[@Sam_Holladay]

Ranch Fairy I wish. I could make a killing!! I would also have to make arrows with the proper spine.

[@Sam_Holladay]

Or you could just buy a rifle. They break the speed of sound when shot. The game definitely don’t jump the string on them. Lol

[@gregorykemp2511]

The reason animals can jump the string is because they can hear it coming. The speed of sound travels significantly faster than the speed of an arrow. The arrow would have to travel over 1125 ft/s to match the speed of sound.

[@RanchFairy]

Yes - we know! And people think an arrow 30 FPS faster Is mathematically significant. So, the real issue is not that they jump. It’s that we cannot predict WHERE they will go!!! Of course the industry yahoo’s think they always go down at the rate of gravity and we can just build a chart!! Then one stands still!!! Oh my!!!Hahahahahaha - yeah right! You sent a Great comment!!!!

[@MichaelSelhost]

You remind me of Guy Pierce, only much more fun to watch and more badass lol.

[@BrokenBlade55]

Need your advice , because of a bad shoulder the most i can pull on my bow is 60 lbs.What setup arrow wise would be best?When i was young i shot the Bear fixed blade and loved it.My son bought me a Bear Salute, i know it's not a good bow. Im a truck driver with very little time home and im hoping in the next few years to be able to hunt. Love your content keep it up please

[@RanchFairy]

Turn it down to 55# and be reasonable. 350 spine arrow 100 insert 125 fixed blade heads. If you stay at 60# - 300 spine arrow same mixture.

[@jayphillips9743]

Are you going to try to quiet this noise? If so , I have a suggestion. I have never used them but fobs in place of veins or on the braodhead might be a help. Or at least might be something to try. Anyway this video is great and very informative.

[@leveraction767]

Just posted this up on an Oneida forum. I thought it was the perfect video to show why bow noise is irrelevant.

[@RanchFairy]

Lever Action Thanks for spreading the word. We are some multi decade bowhunters and always followed the “company line” until we did this. I am still 100% on animals jumping the string at some level. So yes, irrelevant. Another reason to build an adult arrow! You cannot control what it hits

[@optimuscrime608]

Lever Action Bow noise is very relevant... I want the quietest bow as possible..

[@mikelhardin3869]

You should get a recording of a bow shooting recorded from the target and play it from the stand while a picture is at the feeder and see if they react to the sound that way than play it on repeat until they get comfortable enough to come there and eat than go in and shoot one and see

[@30cpe]

I know you've had animals jump when shooting either feathers or vanes, but it would be interesting to see/hear a video comparing feather noise vs vane noise. Also, after watching this video several times, something I've observed is that the speed of the arrow doesn't seem to make a difference in how quickly the hogs react. Would you agree? So, unless we could shoot an arrow faster than the speed of sound, they are going to hear it coming and react.

[@RanchFairy]

Russ Vance Feathers are louder - Yes on speed. Until we break the speed of sound this will always be an issue

[@LegalTyranny]

You're a sharp guy and I'm sure you already know that from being able to discriminate between all of these variables that are influencing the kill. The sound stimulus may not be something that you can ever figure out how to eliminate, but, I'll throw this out there as something to ponder. In behavioral science, all we look at is antecedent behavior, stimuli, and consequences. In this case, you have the pig foraging as the antecedent, the sound waves from the bow firing and the arrow in the air as the stimuli, and the unconditioned reflex of fleeing by the animal as the behavior. So if you can figure out a way of pairing a distracting, familiar, safe or neutral stimulus with the sound stimulus, but make the safe or neutral stimulus louder it would reduce the intensity of the arrow sound stimulus and also reduce the probability or intensity of the flee response. You guys know this game way better than me, but if you can identify safe or neutral sounds that the pigs might be familiar with in the wild, and figure out how to replicate it during the firing of an arrow you could eliminate some of the game response. At some point it probably crosses a line into removing some of the fun and challenge, but if it was a survival scenario it would be a useful thing.

[@RanchFairy]

Legal Tyranny So instead of making the arrow quiet - we make it sound different. That is quite a concept. Oh we have pigs!!

[@LegalTyranny]

@@RanchFairy Well you could go that route, there's also making intense visual or sudden odor stimuli. The plain idea being that one stimulus that the pig recognizes as safe or neutral, is intense enough to distract the pig from the unknown stimulus, the sound of the bow and the arrow. The unknown could be safe, neutral or dangerous and the pigs innate response is to treat it as dangerous. Back to the other stimuli, so if you had a heavy branch in the pigs field of view, but far enough away from it that it had no reason to be startled, you could try to set things up where the branch falls and makes noise at the same time as the arrow is flying. There's a few different behavioral conditioning approaches that could be used but the real ingenuity comes in figuring out how the hell to make a real world match for the principle that would work. So a strong odor could distract the pig also, like some sort of timed thing in the vicinity of the pig that also goes off around the time that the arrow flies. It's all about masking one stimulus (the arrow sound and the bow sound), with neutral or safe stimuli. Again, you guys have way more experience with these pigs. You might be able to figure out some neutral or safe stimuli to set up as an experiment. Otherwise this is just an exercise in theory. But I wanted to throw these suggestions out there since my professional training involves behavioral science. And BTW, I walked out my front door today and was 15 feet away from the male boar that had been coming to the front yard. I'm still working out a plan for getting him since I have neighbor on either side of me on this 1 acre lot and I don't want any problems from trying or actually taking him down. I wish we had 5 acres or more but 1 acre is better than an apartment!

[@rootnpearl]

Another important video. With the speed of sound (1125.33 fps) just a smidge faster than an arrow traveling at 250 fps. I think your conclusions are correct again.

[@RanchFairy]

Biscuit I haven’t beat them yet!!

[@mitchsorensen9489]

I don't usually comment on videos but this was good and informative. So it seems no matter what weight of your arrow, draw weight of your bow, speed of your bow.....there will be noise. What do you do? Try and anticipate jumping the string, or the turn and lunge, silence the bow somehow?

[@RanchFairy]

Mitch Sorensen We are continuing to explore. Current solution is aim Lower 1/3 and let it eat. There are arguments for a 4x4 arrow system. Single bevel - 550+ grains - for when aren’t perfect. More to come

[@grizzledmillennial4765]

Have you messed around with tooth of the arrow broad heads at all? I am running the 125 grain heads on my set up this year. Arrow is topping out around 477 grains.

[@RanchFairy]

Grizzled Millennial I met them at ATA, looks like a good design and should be durable. Maybe you know someone over there and they might want an RF review!

[@grizzledmillennial4765]

I am super low on the hunting totem pole lol and I don't know anyone over there. But a little bit similar to you I find my self in a decent position to test out gear on game and respect your opinions on gear more than a lot of other youtubers and the sour milk gang that hang around AT.

[@RanchFairy]

Grizzled Millennial Thanks! My reason for starting the RF was lack of real world, Hunting based testing. It takes longer, but all the tests on yoga mats, wood, etc. just weren’t doing it - for me. Pigs are physically and structurally tougher than anything in North America (especially pigs over 200). So, anything you see me do, you’ll kill anything in North America. Thank you for valuing my opinion.

[@gregarnold4837]

By shooting a faster, well tuned arrow it minimizes the amount of reaction the animal has time for. There for, increasing your chances of the arrow hitting the intended spot.

[@RanchFairy]

Greg Arnold A good concept - the thing we are seeing on video is no measurable jump speed or direction of travel: down, down a lot, down and roll or shoot forward. When they go down, bone is introduced into the equation, assuming perfect shot placement. Always a puzzle.

[@johnnybravo6981]

Perhaps the arrow makes a frequency (or pitch, whatever) undetectable to human hears when cutting the air that the animals pick up.

[@seanbalch7563]

Troy, has another man ever told you he has developed a man crush on you? Loving your content. Great to knows all these years I’ve bought into the speed factor was a bunch of marketing BS.

[@mikeman230]

Washington State game commission must watch your videos. Mechanicals are illegal in this state

[@kcderuyter6129]

These videos are fascinating is my first time watching them I am haven’t been a little bit lax in my archery skills but how does the thump and zing that’s featured in these videos the stack up against a traditional longbow or recurve recurve

[@RanchFairy]

Same - most Trad guys shoot bigger feathers - since we can’t use owl feathers.....hahahahaha -

[@yeetcannon7760]

I understand where you’re coming from, but I shot a little buck from like 20 yards with a cheap little starter bow from Walmart barely paper tuned, loud as hell, and slow speeds. He never budged until impact. On the other hand, shot a huge doe from the same stand same bow, from about 45-50 yards, she actually ducked the arrow about a foot and went over her back. Opinions? Advice? (I don’t use that same bow anymore, no need to comment on that lol)

[@RanchFairy]

Yeetcannon Completely uncontrollable. So that’s why we make Plan B arrows

[@stevec5338]

Can't remember where. Read something, said that the "ventalated" broadhead, were louder than a solid one???? You have any thoughts on that theory??? Bye the way. Thank you. Love your videos!!

[@RanchFairy]

Steve C Solid is better Because they are solid

[@mikefoster1194]

Love your vids. I wonder if you filmed the pigs and shot a bow away from pigs if they still jump?

[@RanchFairy]

They don’t - neither do deer - generally speaking

[@1bobharvey]

Id like to see you do a video where you dont shoot in the direction of the pigs to see if they jump just the string noise without the vane sound heading towards them.

[@RanchFairy]

I am planning to do this in the future.

[@bgarb7658]

Troy I had to go back and do a revisit on this video. I was doing a little early morning shooting ( 60 yards or so) it’s about as humid as it gets here in Iowa this morning ( more molecules in the air)I noticed or I think I’ve noticed more sound coming from my arrow as it’s flying. Have you tested arrows with helical / straight / bare shaft fletching to see a difference in that sound ( whoosh/zing) ? Something to ponder.....or , send it through the test lab

[@RanchFairy]

B Garb Atmospheric conditions are uncontrollable. So yeah, the arrows are slamming into more stuff!! It’s a fact - and water is VERY HEAVY and wants to stick together

[@RanchFairy]

Second - The Wizard continues to test this. CRAZY - but initial results show small vanes. - 6 fletch is the quietest set up. Riddle me that. The recordings are hard to believe. Feathers are the loudest - 6 feathers sounds like a jet...... Blazers are pretty loud AAE max stealth are a little quieter - 3 fletch. But with 6 - awesome!! More to come

[@bgarb7658]

Ranch Fairy Wow, interesting that a six vane setup would be quieter... can’t wait to see what all comes of this

[@trhaase0379]

Great Video Troy. Have you and Mike ever tested feathers over vanes for noise levels?? KUat curious what the difference is??

[@RanchFairy]

Trhaase 03 Feathers are louder

[@trhaase0379]

Ranch Fairy I assumed but yet wondered. Thanks Troy