Flight 92's Untrained Pilot Turns Off The Engine Mid-Flight | Air Crash Confidential S1 E3

[@roykliffen9674]

I find it weird to conclude pilot error if a pilot is trained to act in a certain way to solve a problem, does so, and is subsequently blamed for causing a crash. It should be called airline error. The pilot can never be to blame for acting as he has been trained to do.

[@tom-c1j2p]

THEY SAY U LEARN BY YOUR MISTAKES

[@mantaslaidas4131]

😅😅

[@kayjaybeats]

says the man drinking beer happy on his couch@@tom-c1j2p

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

Sten obviously wasn't inhibited by caution

[@tom-c1j2p]

GREMLINS SIT ON WING AND CAUSES PLANES TO CRASH

[@iammrvain]

I’m a commercial pilot. We always tell everybody that in the beginning. Automation is a great thing. It relieves an enormous amount of workload on the pilot flying, allowing us to concentrate on what’s going on instead of making every individual input ourselves.. That being said when the automation fails the automation will shut itself off if it gets into a scenario it was not programmed for. Pilots must be at the top of our game every time we get into the cockpit. There’s going to situations where we are the ones that are going to have to make the split decisions to override the automation if necessary and regain control of aircraft to bring it home safely. My heart goes out to all those lost loved ones on each one of these flights.

[@DissolvingEmotionalReactions]

Why are there still no cameras on plane exteriors for pilots to monitor the engines, flight surfaces and fuselage?

[@silentassassin47]

I want YOU to be my pilot so i can survive and get where i need to be

[@iammrvain]

@@silentassassin47 people like you make me a better pilot every day. Thank you.

[@RobertojavierSilvaharth-ub3pz]

And then came MCAS ...

[@RobertojavierSilvaharth-ub3pz]

​@@DissolvingEmotionalReactionsbecause they would reduce the profit margin...

[@Eskos1976]

I always remember a Swiss flight from New York to Zurich back in 2004, on an A330. Just a few minutes from touchdown the engines spool up to takeoff-power, and the plane starts ascending. Another minute later the plane resumes landing path, and one the the pilots reports on the intercom "we were not really sure what the autopilot was doing, so we decided to proceed manually, just sit back and relax". The landing was uneventful, but I still remember this incident like it was yesterday. Also now realizing what COULD have happened, it's actually scary. I have never read anything about it being reported, but I do hope Airbus got the memo.

[@rosssmith6205]

I love it when pilots comment on engineering issues. As a B2/group 3 avionics engineer, I know for sure that the B737-300 c/pit air supply is from the #1 engine. It was the -200, JT8D powered A/C that used the #1 as well for air to the flt. deck. What also was not stated here and is known in the final report, the captain asked a cabin crew member to do a visual inspection from mid cabin to ascertain which engine was at fault. She went from the cockpit and looked out and saw the fire from her right hand side, turned around, returned to the flt. deck and was still violently waving her right hand, but now she was facing the opposite direction. Thus compounding the decision to shut down the # 2 engine. Also in the accident report, the vibration was so severe that both pilots suffered from eyeball resonance which blurred their vision, which is why they asked the cabin member for help. At the time of this incident, the CFM-56 engines had reputation for blade failures resulting in massive vibration. During my 50 year career in aviation, I worked on, and am licenced on A/C powered by both types of these engines. (DC9/B727, JT8D. B737-300,400,thru 700,800.. Only types operated in Oz.). And yes the vibration system on the JT8D engines was a joke. If it read zero, you knew that the engine was no longer attached to the A/C.

[@rosssmith6205]

Got my B737-300/400 licence in August 1984. Worked on 300,400,700,800's until I retired in 2014. What are your legal aviation qual's? Lic # Q8123., what is yours? @@m-ro7kk

[@packrat76]

​@@m-ro7kkand trolling is more honorable?

[@iammrvain]

What it’s worth I agree with your post. However, you need to remove the first sentence.. don’t insult a group of people you do not know in order to make your point it has nothing to do with the synopsis of your retort.

[@wildandbarefoot]

Always watch the hands. The amount of times the words from a mouth conflict with the hand gestures is unreal.

[@DarkerThanBlack88]

Damn dude’s eye was wild

[@sojarvoglarcrt4602]

This is more of an "airline error" video rather than simply pilot error.

[@DJKinney]

Captain is in charge. Captain is accountable.

[@johndray2326]

Totally, if the captain has not been trained on a particular variant of aircraft then it is a failure of the organisation.

[@allandavis8201]

@@DJKinneyThat is by the letter of the law, but if airlines don’t update crews and then allow them to fly without the required continuation training they are responsible for, if not legally they are morally responsible, and until airlines are held accountable and corporate management tried and convicted for their actions they will always be prepared to cut corners and then throw the crew “under the airBUS”.

[@proave]

Absolutely

[@tom-c1j2p]

yup

[@beccawhite1887]

Pilot error????? Most of these accidents are caused by improper training of the pilots. This is an airline issue, not a pilot issue. The companies ARE responsible to ensure their pilots are fully and properly trained. 😡

[@gedece]

exactly, it's a thing called type training.

[@Mercmad]

Diversity hire us a big factor

[@Reality_TV]

It really was not just pilot error! If Boeing changes things a lot versus a prior model, the airlines are required by law to put pilots who fly the new aircraft through a full training. That cost money. A lot of money. Those pilots are out of commission on the new plane until they get the required hours. Well, Boeing told the airlines that they wouldn't make significant changes and the pilots only required the difference training - not the full training! The airlines trusted Boeing, since Boeing was allowed to make decisions about if the pilots "required" full training! Boeing lied to save the airlines money! So, you're right. It was NOT pilot error! It was Boeing Corporation's malfeasance and their desire to put profits over people's lives!

[@dmeemd7787]

Like paying regional pilots horrendously.. another issue

[@topethermohenes7658]

@@Reality_TV it's the eerily exactly the same about the 737 max crashes

[@TechToWatch]

If the pilots didn't trust the vibration instrument because they were accustomed to an earlier model in which those instruments were unreliable then that unreliability and tolerated poor quality control was also a contributor to the crash.

[@orionxtc1119]

Yes... most crashes are not just pilot error in itself but also the plane, it insturments and electronics not known or malfunctioning..

[@andrea_7373]

​@@orionxtc1119unknown aspects of some airplane system contributes to a crash because the manufacturer thinks more than difference training for pilots is unnecessary... Sounds familiar. *Coughmcascough* *Coughboeingdiditagaincough* Excuse me.

[@imtheman4805]

Once again If it’s Boeing I ain’t Going Boeing metal coffin sales are way up lately!!!

[@cattymajiv]

Thank goodness they don't spend 55 minutes dragging out the details of what happened way longer than necessary! The lead up to the crash was less than 10 minutes. Well done!

[@timmyjones1921]

How is it pilot error if the airline never trained the pilot about the aircraft rudder tolerances and the pilots acts as trained ??

[@tom-c1j2p]

MAKES THE PLANE GO FASTER IN WATER

[@kenwarren4441]

The pilot was fired because the airline didn’t give him adequate training. Had he been given him sufficient training on the new aircraft he could have gotten everyone down safely. I don’t think it was pilot error. It was airline error

[@lyfandeth]

With the invention of the automatic transmission, car sales doubled because it was so much easier to drive. Oddly enough, drivers with manual transmissions still have a better situational awareness on the road. Simply because they MUST pay more attention to how and when they will need to shift.

[@usmale49]

That makes a lot of sense. So maybe airliners should get rid of a few "bells and whistles'? And let pilots actually fly the plane?

[@rabbitramen]

True, a manual transmission car made my daughter more aware on the road than when she drove one with an automatic.

[@barbarachambers7974]

I still think pilots don't understand how to fly because automation takes away from actually understanding what is going on. France 774(?) comes to mind.

[@SuperBotanica]

I always drive cars that have no electronics or automatic transmission. Better driving behavior, faster starting at intersections, faster maneuvering of the car.

[@SenszR]

It’s true I tell everyone this - manual is safer because it doesn’t give you the opportunity to stop thinking about what you’re doing

[@johnmcgowen3641]

I wouldn't place the full blame on the Midland pilots. Their knowledge of faulty Boing equipment was due to years of dealing with faulty equipment. The manufacturer trained pilots to ignore their equipment and nothing was done to address the issue. Then the industry was on board with it and not enough was done to educate the pilots on the new equipment.

[@charrielyn1231]

I agree!!! You notice how they ALWAYS blame the pilots?? They design the aircraft to fly without the pilots input, then the sensors go awry & the pilots don’t “respond appropriately” to that particular situation - so the crash was all their fault! That’s outrageous.

[@w2385-i2s]

Why would pilot be doing guess work? They can visually check the engine.

[@johnmcgowen3641]

@user-cw2py6wh8l Passengers and flight attendants would have had a direct view of the engines, but nobody said anything. Perhaps that's because there was no visual evidence until much later, when it was too late. Beyond that, they were trained to understand that the equipment given to them by the manufacturer was faulty and told to ignore the gauges for years. There is the fault. It wasn't guess work, it was training.

[@bevcamren1316]

​@@w2385-i2sgood point ..wow

[@treylem3]

​@@johnmcgowen3641Well, that is what that portion of this vid is about. This vid highlights the words 'Untrained Pilots' in the title. ✌️

[@maheshsrigiriraju8757]

It’s sickening to hear pilot error so many times, when it is so clear that it is defective training! The airlines should be held accountable and sued wherever the so called pilot error is due to defective training. 🙏🏽🥺🙏🏽

[@tom-c1j2p]

YOU CANT TRAIN STUPID PEOPLE

[@kmalerich]

They get sued any time there is a crash for every reason imaginable.

[@jameswalker7459]

Pilot errors or is it computer errors that our putting our pilots and passengers in danger?

[@PhillyMotoXTS]

"When you solve one problem, you introduce another" *737 MAX enters the chat*

[@sudeshdevindavidanagama8570]

😂

[@stephenmapeka7774]

Swiss Air pilot is turning in his grave cause their employer Swiss Airways introduced entertainment system that went as far as causing aircraft to crash.

[@tom-c1j2p]

TOO MUCH FLATULENCE ON BOARD AND IT EXPLODED FROM A SPARK , HIGH RISK ON EVERY FLIGHT

[@laceneil4570]

Don't forget the DC, even if you're not flying on it, it's still determined to kill you (Concorde).

[@theduke7539]

So does that mean you can introduce a new problem and solve another one?

[@alice20001]

This reminds me of the 737 max forcing the nose down because the computer was receiving faulty data indicating a stall.

[@HE-pu3nt]

The 737max thing goes so much deeper. When Boeing engineers in charge of quality control say "They wouldn't dare get on one" you know things at Boeing are FUBAR. One of them also stated that Boeing was faking it's employee drug screening results, and that crystal meth was been openly sold and taken in the factory.

[@DeanJace0227]

Yeah MCAS..

[@kimgibson6022]

And they turned on pilot so fast

[@richardhiskett5422]

​@@kimgibson6022it was the pilots errors that crashed both of those 737s. The mcas aoa sensor did malfunction, however the pilots failed to take the proper actions in response and turned that malfunction into the crash. In every model of 737 flight manual is a memory item stating that in the event of trim runaway disconnect power to the trim system and trim manually. The Malaysian crew never remembered to do this and fought the plane for 15 minutes before crashing. The Ethiopian crew did remember to turn off the power trim but forgot to reduce the engines from takeoff thrust and were overspending the airp.ane and unable to trim manually so they turned it back on and immediately dove into the ground. Did Boeing make a mistake to not include redundant aoa sensors? Yes, the mcas malfunction initated the incident but improper pilot response escalated it into a crash.

[@FriendsInLowPlacees]

​@@richardhiskett5422The pilots of the Lion Air plane had no awareness of MCAS, as it wasn't detailed in the flight manual. Boeing first informed pilots around the world of the existence of MCAS almost two weeks after the Lion Air crash.

[@PartyOf8Please]

Porpoising. The sudden loss of altitude followed by a sudden gain of altitude followed by a sudden loss of altitude followed by a sudden gain of altitude and so on. It makes people on airplanes throw up. Scopolamine patches help depending on how badly a plane is behaving erratically. Good video. Thank you for posting these types of shows!

[@barbarachambers7974]

Porpoising is very unnerving. I can imagine how much it would freak people out.

[@hugolindum7728]

If the pilots had been trained better they wouldn’t have made the mistake. The fact that they both made the same error indicates their training was inadequate.

[@Jagster7k]

The question should also be, why is a pilot able to rip the rudder off the plane with just inputs. You would think the plane would have preventative measures to stop such dangerous inputs from occurring.

[@Lurch-Bot]

This is because of the broad range of control forces required at various speeds. Takes way more force to move the rudder at cruise speed than on landing. You have to be able to use the rudder at cruise speed (and to a substantial degree if you lose an engine) and so the actuators end up being powerful enough to break the rudder at lower speeds. You could introduce a system to limit rudder travel based on speed but as soon as you do, someone will need just a little bit of extra travel to avoid a crash and a bunch of people die. Another factor most laypeople overlook is the fact that aerodynamic loads can end up being way higher than expected based on prevailing winds. The best way to prevent crashes is training, not a bunch of extra electronic complexity. This is why Tesla crashes are frequent.

[@russellst.martin4255]

They should call it 'corporate error' if the pilots aren't properly trained.

[@tom-c1j2p]

NEITHER ARE YOU

[@alice20001]

For those asking, the difference between the Trident’s “droops” and modern “slats” is that the droops actually rotated the entire leading edge of the wings. So you can imagine how much drag but also lift that would’ve created.

[@Lurch-Bot]

Either way, you are increasing the effective chord of the wing.

[@boahneelassmal]

this is a gross misrepresentation of what happened to that qantas flight. The consensus is that a high energy particle hit some electronic component at just the right time and position to flip a bit causing faulty data. The sensors were working correctly and as intended. This Qantas Flight had absolutely nothing to do with inadequate pilot training. claiming that is an insult to the crew and the passengers... Oh boy and then claiming Air France - which was indeed actual pilot error - is connected to the Qantas flight.... This is an insult to airbus But what do you expect from a documentary that tries to sell a 747 cockpit as a 737 cockpit and a 737 as an a330...

[@AthosRac]

High energy particle from space? Sure, but we all now now how Boing build their planes....

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

​@@AthosRac most people would call it "computer glitch" but high energy particles are well known to be one cause of them, especially at high altitudes. Some people just really want to show off how much they know about space or something. Know it alls.

[@Stephen-qi1qx]

Bit flips are normal, that's why error correction exists

[@philt5782]

I don't recall hearing the blame being put on the Quantas pilots. They ignored training and the computer and switched it off allowing them to land the plane safely. As for Air France being connected. Yes it was for a bit until the Quantas pilots realised it was the computer and switched it off. The Air France pilots didn't resulting in a crash. As for the wrong planes regarding commentary, they used the same generic clips throughout the program for whatever reason. I don't think they were trying to sell anything. Any idiot could of realised that.

[@tatoute1]

Air france rio crash was due initially to a frozen pitot tube, and then, yes the pilots was unable to get situation awareness.

[@bobmarshall3700]

Lack of pilot training is NOT the fault of the pilot. It is the responsibility of the airline!

[@johnywesco4143]

I remember watching this episode in national Geographic when i was going to school, now im part of designing aircraft and structures, im shocked to realize how i manifested my dream career

[@shelleyboom5594]

No training is required for flying a new aircraft? Unreal.

[@GrandadTinkerer]

'Each new version is better and safer...' 737 MAX?

[@robbyandrews223]

Boeing should have never given MCAS that much authority and should have engineered the AoA sensors to be fail-safe; even with two AoA sensors MCAS took data from only one. They even made AoA disagree warnings a paid upgrade option. There were multiple factors that led to these crashes including lax oversight and not informing operators of the MCAS system. However if they had simply had redundancy and checks in the AoA sensor data feeding MCAS I don't think the crashes would have happened. We put redundancy and fail safe in non-aviation software so it should have been mandatory in the 737 MAX to have this capability, Boeing lied and hid for profit. Airbus does 3 AoA so single sensor failures can be detected and corrected.

[@tom-c1j2p]

YES BUT SERVING BEEF IN FLIGHT IS PROBLEM. TOO MUCH FLATULENCE ON BOARD AND IT EXPLODES FROM A SPARK , HIGH RISK ON EVERY FLIGHT

[@johnbatson8779]

You can always turn the MCAS off as it runs off the same principle as the lane departure system off in your automobile

[@cesarmontalvan1818]

Thanks!

[@Youngmessi01]

The CVR and Black box for Air France A332 were found. Mentour Pilot narrated the story excellently

[@Offu-cz9wl]

As someone who constantly travels internationally for work in both planes and helicopters I can honestly say the average person has no idea how common potentially dangerous actions and alarms in day to day operations. Pilots are typically the best of the best and are able to troubleshoot on the fly and figure things out before passengers even have a clue something is going on.

[@johnemerson1363]

Reference the lost vertical stabilizer. The engines of the 747 did not create the wake turbulence, the wings do. It is the wing tip vortacies that create wake turbulence.

[@faithcarpenter]

Its the engines that create the trubulance The trubulance is cause by the thrust

[@johnemerson1363]

@@faithcarpenter No, the wake turbulence is created as soon as the wing creates enough lift to fly the airplane. The engines do provide the power to create the lift, but it is the wings that create the lift/ I was taught to try to land past the big airplane touchdown point because once on the ground, wake turbulence stops.

[@johnmcgowen3641]

@johnemerson1363 your technically correct about "wake turbulence" but there are more factors at play. This seems like a semantic debate.

[@chrisr6385]

​@@faithcarpenter the turbulence from the engine is idel thrust which is only 600 feet behind a heavy, or take off thrust which is still 1200 feet behind a heavy. ATC provides at least 1 mile separation in a control zone, 3 miles in terminal or at least 5 miles seperation in enroute. Wake turbulence on the other hand does not come from the engine... It comes from the wingtips when lift is produced and on a slow, clean, and heavy aircraft can extend back as much as 15 miles out and 500 feet below. So this correctly described as wake turbulence but incorrectly described as coming from the engine as opposed to the wing tips.

[@alneal100]

@@johnemerson1363 I was taught the same. I have experienced wingtip vortices.

[@WindsEternal]

This kind of thing is why I quit flying in 2007. Haven't missed it since.

[@djpalindrome]

Thanks for posting a new episode!! I’d seen some of the individual episodes before but not this interesting mix narrated with a British accent. I learned a new British expression. Flaps = “Droops”

[@ssbohio]

Two different things, actually: The droops are on the leading (front) edge of the wing, and are equivalent to what we now call "slats." The flaps extend from the trailing (rear) edge of the wing and can provide both additional lift at lower speeds as well as additional drag to allow for slower approaches when the descent would otherwise tend to push the speed up.

[@xeldinn86]

Lol thinking droops are flaps

[@a.k.slzr5]

Most of these are definitely not pilot error. They are airline errors. These pilots did the best they could with the information available to them. That the airlines did not fully disclose information or did not properly train is the airline’s fault. These pilots are not around to defend themselves.

[@harpreetsahi8307]

This video is a good example of corporate corruptions. Its very clear and obvious that these big companies were trying to save money on pilot training courses but still calling pilot error when disaster occurred. Recent BOEING MAX crashes are another good examples.

[@TrevorLee-21]

Addicted to these vids

[@bradgray5997]

I watch one ever night before sleep haha

[@karoleenascottage]

@@bradgray5997 same here

[@thepitpatrol]

​@bradgray5997 i do the same😂

[@wifi69ify]

Same

[@w0rmblood323]

Check out Green Dot Aviation for excellent breakdowns of plane disasters.

[@SebSN-y3f]

Thank you for these very good explanations. This documentation is really recommended.

[@boeingdriver29]

This video says the use of rudder in Wake Turbulence is normal. That is incorrect, rudder should NOT be used in these conditions ever !

[@jamesfearn7757]

Agreed. Though, probably normal for AA. Those guys seems to struggle with the when and how of rudder use. They bent a wing and wrote off an A321 recently during a x wind takeoff

[@PatFarra-t5z]

Only use rudder on take off n landing. 37 years flying jets.

[@dfuher968]

If u watch the full episode on that crash, it was indeed the standard procedure of AA, that they trained their pilots to do. Despite it being in contradiction of the Airbus manuals. The rudder actually withstood more than twice the stresses, it was designed and tested for, b4 it failed. There was nothing wrong with the aircraft. It was AA training their pilots in their own invented procedure instead of following manuals.

[@jamesfearn7757]

I've worked in the airline industry, I'm able to read tech schematics and tech reports and not go off youtube vids thanks. I wasn't referencing the Queens crash but the more recent La Guardia botch up where an AA A321 bent a wind during x wind takeoff @@dfuher968

[@tescheurich]

... A learning cemented and spread *after* that crash. In other words, you're feeling superior through their pricey hindsight.

[@theyrenuts2845]

Its not pilot error if he's acting as trained. How disgusting airline companies and manufacturers are to shift blame as fast as possible. And still they will tell you that planes are safe and everything has a back up .. no it doesn't. Blame someone else is always the final back up.

[@Roger-lt9fe]

The young guy must've had his eye 👀 open when crashing to sustain that eye damage!!😮☝️

[@kenrumney8634]

These types of situations on aircraft that make me not want to fly.

[@tom-c1j2p]

STAY HOME IN YOUR BATHROOM

[@tom-c1j2p]

YES BUT SERVING BEEF IN FLIGHT IS PROBLEM. TOO MUCH FLATULENCE ON BOARD AND IT EXPLODES FROM A SPARK , HIGH RISK ON EVERY FLIGHT

[@AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg]

I only fly Qantas 👍

[@MMMmyshawarma]

Wow, this was produced and released within the two years the 447 boxes were missing.

[@tom-c1j2p]

HOLY COW

[@vetinaris1297]

Did they find them? Did they confirn or prove false this video or is it inconclusive?

[@MMMmyshawarma]

@@vetinaris1297 Yes they found them. It was a remarkable feat. The boxes were still in tact, and the audio from the cockpit is probably one of the most haunting of all human error aviation disasters. I suggest you look up a detailed transcript, like from Popular Mechanics or similar.

[@Vortigan07]

Early on in the initial stages of the turbulence they entered, one of the pilots (I think it was Bonin) was heard to say "Thank God we're in an A330.That suggests to me an overconfidence and overreliance on the various automated protection systems etc. The modern technological advancements are smart, no question, but they can't do it all for you!

[@stargazer5784]

Air France 447 was brought down by the copilot stalling the plane. This video was made before the FDR and CVR were found 2 years after the crash. The pitot tubes plugged with ice resulting in false airspeed readings, if I remember correctly.

[@biniamtsige8106]

correct, it was almost nearly a total pilot error!

[@ChrisGWGreen]

I would argue this isn't solely a pilot error but a failure by all involved. In fact, the insider knowledge of their previous aircraft is commendable. Analyzing the issue as smoke coming from air conditioning vs say an onboard fire, knowing which engine manages which of the many complex systems on the aircraft, and coming to that conclusion is entirely logical. The outcome was obviously awful but it wasn't solely "pilot error"

[@tom-c1j2p]

I THINK IT WAS YOUR FAULT

[@petermerrilees7878]

It is when something goes wrong that you find out how good a pilot is.

[@FaqMAGA]

The airline industry holds the weight of responsibility for not properly training their pilots.

[@tom-c1j2p]

HOW, A BRAIN IS NEEDED, MAYBE PILOT WAS SLEEPING

[@DissolvingEmotionalReactions]

Why are there still no cameras on plane exteriors for pilots to monitor the engines, flight surfaces and fuselage?

[@sierragutenberg]

'cause there are windows lol

[@07Flash11MRC]

You can't see everything from windows.

[@kennethpadgettflightparame3548]

The narrator needs to be provided with the correct information on some of stories he was saying.

[@scotexscarrier8461]

wasn't he an ex-bbc news reader, that figures !!

[@goranforsberg639]

Thats the case with all these reenactments.. They focus on the dramaturgy, Not just on the facts. Not worth seeing.

[@glamdolly30]

It was a very good documentary actually. The final report on the Air France crash is inaccurate because this programme was made in 2010, and the black box revealing the full, shocking story was not recovered until 2011. The narrator is not 'an ex BBC newsreader', it's well-known actor Steven Mackintosh, who does a lot of voiceovers.

[@boob72]

The documentary came out before they found the plane wreckage

[@f.stewart286]

I tend to go for @MentourPilot & @DisasterBreakdown as they wait for a full report & seem to thoroughly research the events they cover.

[@SydMountaineer]

My husband is a pilot, he began flying at 9 years old in the 60s, so he’s been flying for many years- one thing in all areas of aviation that has only became worse every year, rather than better, is *greed* before *safety,* money always, always trumps safety. Companies large & small, even maintenance, FBOs, fuel companies, etc, only seem to be very strict about it for insurance reasons, but they put all their work into paperwork & red tape to cover themselves, rather than do what’s needed for safety AND saving money. They waste money, time, & effort on things that don’t matter rather than do the real work involved.

[@FriendsInLowPlacees]

Prior to this event, even Airbus had NO knowledge the tail could detach due to pilot's input. Why blame the pilot?

[@K9River]

New airplanes are more challenging to fly; newer vehicles are also more challenging to drive. When I was but a wee lad, I quickly and safely operated any vehicle I had ever drove. Now that I'm older, there's been a few vehicles that I was unable to drive without help from the owner. Vehicles should be easier to operate, not more difficult.

[@misteryummyearth1055]

There's a difference between starting a car, intentionally made difficult to curb theft, and driving

[@GAWOP00]

Automation makes people lazy and less reliable on driving their car. Those of us that learn to drive in the 90's and early 00's before new craze developed better driver habits and skills because we didn't have a computer braking for us, steering for us or keeping us in our lane. This is why i don't drive modern cars, I agree with you.

[@federicoprice2687]

Absolutely correct! Over sophistication can lead to bewilderment when things go awry - and distract from the main intent: to drive the car safely. I currently drive a 'modernish' car packed with wonderful gizmos that can tell me 1001 things about its systems, but sometimes masks the basics, such as speed. Anyway...

[@misteryummyearth1055]

@@federicoprice2687 Mask speed? Are you reliant on outside stimuli to determine your speed or should you read the speedometer? A car's comfort shouldn't disorient, pilots are another breed, two years in school only to die in peaces?

[@K9River]

@@misteryummyearth1055 I rely partly on outside stimuli to gauge speed. I figured everyone did.

[@michaelsteiger8509]

Absolutely incorrect. The first officer doesn’t fly every leg like you say. Airlines rotate each leg. Captain flies one and the next leg, the F/O flies. Not a procedure, it’s sharing the load. The captain can choose which pilot flies which leg. In an emergency at our airline, it’s recommended the captain let the first officer fly during an emergency and he monitors and works the problem. It’s only a recommendation . Many times the F/O is so junior it’s better for the more experienced pilot flies and the captain can make that decision.

[@excellentinterior567]

Ain't that funny that during the whole video we hear lack of training or known mental issues with the pilots yet they blame everything on the pilots. Why would you allow a flight when you are aware of issues? And then blame it on pilots.

[@kmalerich]

The airlines and manufacturers like it to be pilot error in order to deflect any culpability on their part. As a retired airline pilot I can attest to the continuing degradation of training by the airlines to save training expenses $$$.

[@excellentinterior567]

@@kmalerich ٍExactly sir , but to the cost of people's lives. And then a disaster strikes and they pay millions in fines and they do not sell any more, they need to ground all aircraft in order to fix them, Stocks drop, not mentioning the bad reputations. Which one is more expensive?. Even more than the amount they needed to upgrade the qualities. This is exactly like those who do not pay several dollars for their parking and each time they get away from it but once they get their car towed and a fine, and what they then pay is several times more than the parking they were supposed to pay. Not mentioning the stress that they carry along doing so. Simply, it is so stu=pid.

[@dazzlingextremes389]

12:44 this seems more a training issue than a pilot issue. Why would any commercial line allow pilots to fly a new plane design they're not yet familiar with and haven't yet had training in???? That's insane to me!

[@thewhizard]

Self driving airplanes self driving cars - If I was in a self driving car and the computer hickuped I wouldn't have the agility to correct it before....

[@micocruz5092]

This documentary gives me chills .

[@tom-c1j2p]

NO ITS COLD TIME OF YEAR, NORMAL

[@RobertRobert-d2r]

AA587 air turbulence- this is why they say Heavy (as in AA587 Heavy] or Super for A380) as an indication of the size and hence potential for wake turbulence of an aircraft.

[@davidc3839]

My friend was on the flight to East Midlands Airport. He survived with a broken pelvis. Passengers told the cabin crew which engine was on fire. The crew should have gone and looked at the engine.

[@mlester3001]

Knowing what I do about computers, that is the first thing I would suspect. Garbage in, garbage out.

[@javianjohnson8746]

The explanation at the end about the sensors feeding the autopilot system bad information and the plane taking it as a fact and inputing sporadic actions is absolutely insane. Also, the BEA Flight is also pretty unfortunent

[@tom-c1j2p]

MAYBE PILOT WAS SLEEPING

[@tom-c1j2p]

MAYBE GETTING A HAND JOB

[@5hadowl88]

Blame the pilot for the Airline negligence and mistake.

[@mrt4145]

Strange you can train to be a pilot in 1 - 2 years yet it takes 5 years to be a dentist. Its even 3 years for electrician!

[@djpalindrome]

Airbus characteristically denied all responsibility but subsequently added software to limit rudder excursion so the pilot couldn’t accidentally rip the tail off the aircraft

[@Jdalio5]

Could anyone in the world anticipate a pilot would do such a silly thing full left-full right. Sounds like he shouldn't have been a pilot of paying passengers.

[@johnmcgowen3641]

@@Jdalio5 except they were trained to do that to address an ongoing and frequent issue.

[@dfuher968]

The rudder actually withstood more than twice the stresses, it had been approved to. Airbus was not at fault, their equipment was better than expected. The problem was, that AA had trained their pilots in complete contradiction of the Airbus manuals. There was nothing wrong with the aircraft, it was mishandled in a way, no1 had predicted, any1 would do, and which, again, was in contradiction of the manuals. When u dont follow the manuals, its not the equipment at fault. The later added software was not due to guilt, but to due diligence aka securing their aircraft against insane pilots/airlines being completely irresponsible.

[@Raoul_Volfoni]

This is not Airbus that denied responsibility but the NTSB. As stated here, the vertical stabilizer sustained more than it was designed for and certificated for but the pilot inputs resulted in twice this designed limit. When the pilot pulls too many G, the structure can’t resist, whether it is horizontal G or vertical G, the consequence is the same. Since « fly by wire » was implemented, manufacturers can add digital limits to prevent pilots inputs that would exced the aircraft design limits. This was mainly focused on vertical G and anti stall (alpha protect) but this accident revealed that horizontal Gs can still break a plane. Which may have been forgoten at that time…

[@tom-c1j2p]

WHAT...HE IS SUPERMAN ???

[@Taketimeout3]

Old, old programme rolled out yet again. And why not. The best series ever made about aviation. Also just as certain the uploader is one of the many who ride off the efforts of others.

[@WolfshadeMNO]

This is a problem with nearly total automation. The pilots skill tend to atrophy, and they are not as prepared to handle an emergency where they have to take over an aircraft in trouble. It seems a better balance must be found.

[@lw0987]

And they are suddenly in a situation where they have no idea of what was happening beforehand. They have to deduce the history of what the plane had been doing before it glitched.

[@SuperLordHawHaw]

21:15 The vertical stabilizer was gone? Reminds me of the JAL flight disaster. 47:50 A pilot obsessed with fixing one problem and ignoring the basic functioning of the plane. This reminds me of the Portland OR crash where the pilot became so fixated on a landing gear indicator light that he ignored the plane's fuel level.

[@seanofpeace]

We need to stop conflating "pilot error" with "training error." If pilots are being certified on a new plane, and significant information like, "oh, that vibration measurement issue that was on the old one, we fixed it" and "oh, the entire way air is coming into the cockpit is different now" aren't communicated properly, how is that pilot "error?"

[@Sevket-gy2yc]

From Turkey Antalya ❤

[@glamdolly30]

Great documentary, thanks, though the final report on the Air France crash is inaccurate. That's because this show was made in 2010, and the black box flight recorders revealing what happened were not recovered until 2011. It was pilot error - but not the simple kind assumed in this report. In fact whole documentaries have been made on that crash, the worst in Air France's history (expert David Learmount appears in most of them), it was such a bizarre combination of technical AND pilot error. Ice crystals paralysed the plane's pitot tubes, meaning the autopilot cut out, and inaccurate airspeeds were provided to the pilots. The crisis was worsened by a storm, and the fact the captain Marc Doubois was tired from partying in Brazil with his mistress, so disappeared off to bed early in the flight. He left the most inexperienced of two co-pilots in charge - a fateful mistake. Inexplicably when the plane fell into a stall due to travelling slower than the instruments stated, that pilot reacted by constantly pulling back on the side stick - an action his co-pilot knew nothing about, as the Airbus is designed so each pilot's stick is hidden from their colleague. Pulling on the stick caused the plane to rapidly lose altitude. By the time Capt Dubois returned, the cockpit was in chaos, with neither pilot aware of why the plane was suddenly in trouble. By the time the pilot's action in pulling on the stick was realised by his two colleagues, it was too late to recover the plane. It had gone from cruising with no issues to crashing into the sea, in just a matter of minutes. It initially confused me that this programme failed to tell that now infamous story - till I spotted the year at the end of the credits. I wish uploaders would put the year of the documentary in the video's title/written description!

[@PeterShipley1]

wow this can easily be added down to 5 or 10 min without losing any content

[@bobipilota8870]

Its very interesting how they use so strange design for the British Midland's cockpit-specificly the from panel with instruments.And those 4 747 throthes on 737😂😂

[@Cybergrip1]

My training instilled in us to make SMALL corrections, not large ones that promised an unwelcome outcome. We were also told to KNOW your plane, and that the plane should never to anything to surprise you. Of course mechanical failure is not something that you can train for, but you can be aware of it. Watching videos like this can keep you ahead of the curve.

[@Bagheera2]

That first crash was poor training. Completely unfair to the pilot.

[@spider23000]

Love that the two pictures in the thumbnail have nothing to do with this accident

[@mikeh892]

Could listen to CPT Wood speak all day long. Classy dude.

[@tom-c1j2p]

STINK WEED

[@sierragutenberg]

That's clearly the f*cking Airline's fault...

[@punjabimunda2535]

Too much ad on this video U can't even watch it completely

[@MidnightWarrior1976]

Get Total Adblock. It's free. I deal with zero ads.

[@usmale49]

@@MidnightWarrior1976 I have the same as you and you're correct! I never see any ads at all, well except for the ICE PILOTS stuck right in the middle, but I just fast forward through those!

[@sonicbhoc]

Get u block origin and sponsor block

[@robrudolph7213]

I quit watching because of it. Came to comments to see if anyone else had noticed the increase of commercials.

[@kelliepatrick519]

@@robrudolph7213 Ad block software works well. You can also grab the red dot with your cursor, quickly advance the vid to the end, then start again at the beginning. The ads should be gone.

[@timesthree5757]

Hunt is the Hero. He did the best could with what little training he had.

[@tumbleweed2240]

Friends tease me about my manual Miata but it’s all about having a full driving experience.

[@tom-c1j2p]

I HAVE A FERRARI

[@tom-c1j2p]

ISNT A Miata A PEDDLE CAR

[@tumbleweed2240]

@@tom-c1j2p no, my feet touch the ground

[@lw0987]

If they had been trained adequately they would have been told that although the instruments were commonly known for being incorrect, the instruments on the new model had addressed the issue and could be trusted.

[@davidfuchs9636]

Why would the manufacturer not slow down the controls on the rudder so it wouldn't get ripped off from a violent input? It seems like a no brainer.

[@tom-c1j2p]

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING ???

[@jessh5310]

I was driving a very big truck southbound along the M1 about 30 seconds BEFORE the plane crashed at Kegworth. I feel lucky and it was weird driving down an almost empty motorway.

[@johnfrancis0063]

Not a pilot but a automotive mechanic. We need to have a human presence in any transportation of lives. I see folks dying or hurt do to the false or misleading information of data. Fly the plane, drive the car.

[@micheleerwin2848]

I have not flown since 1976, and I absolutely refuse to ever fly again. Between suicidal pilots, pilot error, and mechanical issues, I am terrified at the thought of flying. I took the train from San diego to Denver a few years ago. It takes longer to get from point A to point B, but no train has ever fallen out of the sky. I know. I Google it.

[@hugolindum7728]

Fatalities per passenger mile indicate that a train is six times more dangerous than commercial aircraft; but both are very safe.

[@AJHyland63]

How many “pilot error” crashes stem from improper training? Should the term not be “company/training misinformation” instead? It seems that companies do everything in their power to place blame on the pilots following procedures laid down by the companies themselves. Especially where it is cheaper to pay out rather than train and avoid incidents in the first place. This type of culture will only improve when it becomes prohibitively expensive to pay out for a crash.

[@unraveledultimatefate]

That moment when it hits you that the people in the documentary are just actors portraying the real victims, while the actual victims have remained out of the public eye, with their faces never shown or displayed publicly.

[@dustinandtarynwolfe5540]

The plural of vortex is vortices.

[@tom-c1j2p]

NO ITS VORTEXAS

[@AnnaSenPrice]

Love Steven Mackintosh as a narrator. I immediately recognised his voice. If sensors malfunction, pilots don’t stand much of a chance of diagnosing this????

[@joecombs7468]

I think of pilot error as a pilot who does something he should know not to do. If a pilot is trained to aggressively use the rudder and he does as he was trained to do -- you can call that a lot of things, but pilot error is not one of them.

[@thechannelofrandomness6814]

These videos make airplanes the most dangerous way of traveling

[@tom-c1j2p]

how do videos make air plane travel dangerous unless pilots are watching porn and wacking off

[@tom-c1j2p]

BECAUSE IT IS DOPEY

[@Yotlover]

So an engine malfunctions and the pilot turns off the engine he has learned from previous knowledge on a previous version of the aircraft to ignore unreliable instruments, and still it is his fault? Unbelievable. Talk about kicking a man when he's down. It was not a pilot error that caused the problem, it was mechanical failure. In another one of the crashes portrayed in the video, again the crash was deemed as being due to " pilot error, he had not been trained on how to deal with the problem." How on this earth is that pilot error? More like instructional error.

[@catherineclusker7441]

Agree poor captain hunt having to live within all his life, he done the best he could, I wonder is he still alive,unfortunately he got the wrong engine mixed up but that was his knowledge..

[@furrybear7853]

Surely a steward on plane could radio to pilot which engine or is that too obvious??

[@ryanplayzgames5735]

Amount of commercials makes it impossible to enjoy

[@Wildrover82]

Agreed. Insane amount of ads. ffs.👎

[@Velez8669]

Wait, the video said when they shut off the right right engine the shaking stopped and the plane was calm. How is this if the right engine was good?

[@durgadas7905]

My cousin was on that flight and he survived

[@natehill8069]

Never flown a twin, but seems like if I shut down the starboard engine MANUALLY, and then the port engine grenades itself, I would try to restart the starboard one, since it was at least doing SOMETHING before I shut it off. Having said that, shutting down the wrong engine is a very common issue, and shutting down the correct one is probably 50% of multiengine training..

[@j.csamson1512]

I don't understand why pilots don't have a cam on the wings to see engines and landing gears

[@JimKrause1975]

Liked, subscribed and notifications are on!

[@faithcarpenter]

Pilot error well never go away No matter What hi tech cockpit the aircraft has When u put a human in control of an airship and he or she is having a bad day or just wants to take his or her life Anything can happen And just cause its hi tech cockpit Dont mean the computers wont glich

[@tom-c1j2p]

WHY

[@darkknight1340]

Regardless of any differences found on a new model of an aircraft,any half decent pilot would not confine himself to solely absorbing training that may be conducted,he would also take it upon himself to look at potential areas of conflict between the new model and previous iterations of the aircraft.

[@elenailievska5729]

On 7:38 the narrator said the B737-400 is 400tonnes which is quite far from the truth, the MTOW of the 737-400 is 68t.

[@hugolindum7728]

Correct: 68,040kg.

[@Williamz9021]

In 2024, humans still can't figure out how to put cameras facing the engines so that pilots have a clear view of what's going on with them! Yet we can put cameras on the back of a car for reverse assist!