Flight of DEATH | The TRUTH & Russell M. Nelson

[@Nunyabusiness2997]

Asking Nelson if he would lead them astray is like asking a used car salesman if your getting a good deal.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Yeah, he's hardly likely to say that he would, hahaha!

[@Nunyabusiness2997]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON The second someone says trust me, I inherently don’t trust them. Especially if they are acting creepy with a bunch of kids.

[@brettbarney4927]

Yes. That whole bit is pretty hilarious/horrifying. It's like what I imagine happened at Bill Cosby's trial, where his attorneys might have asked things like "Would a nice Jell-o spokesperson like you ever drug and rape a woman?"

[@barbsehestedt6894]

Scott Stringham - I slobbered my Coke I laughed so hard!!!

[@sgee-vc1hz]

"Not all things that are useful are TRUE!"

[@jonbaker476]

There is nothing more frustrating than being taught that you need to adhere to every decree of the "prophet" since prophets can't lead you astray, while simultaneously believing that anytime they do mess up, you're just supposed to be okay with it and not judge them, and you get gaslighted into thinking you're wicked or unrealistic if you don't blindly follow them. Also, you'll be blessed for following them even if they're wrong, which makes no sense in regards to the doctrine of free agency

[@shmataboro8634]

If God is the same yesterday, today and forever, why can he apparently be talked into and out of things by church leaders?

[@PackerGirl]

As a former Mormon, your channel has been an eye-opener. Thanks! ❤

[@bonegrubber]

Thank you again for these thoughtful little quips that beg the question, "Why can't this kind of questioning that is neither inflammatory nor inciteful be part of my family home evening lessons?"

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure!

[@rstevenhanson]

Thank you for so eloquently and succinctly exposing the main problem that led me out of the church some years ago: these men speak for themselves and not for God. This video highlights only a few of the many examples in the church's history that serve as proof of this problem.

[@susangroom960]

That stupid flight story has destroyed my family and marriage. My husband kicked me out of the house last night. Truth is truth, unless you are blind and deaf to it.

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

What happened?

[@susangroom960]

@@Kristy_not_Kristine I realized Nelson is a big liar, and the church is a farce. Husband didn't appreciate me telling him about it. I lost house, husband, 4 step-kids, 9 grandchildren. But they can stay in the cult, I'm happier than I've been in 14 years.

[@greghorch8607]

Indoctrination is not truth. Ever

[@oliviasayshi7517]

Are you in a better place?

[@susangroom960]

@@oliviasayshi7517 so so much better place. No panic attacks, no migraines, my own cute home in a different state. I love my start again life!

[@joetaylor8687]

THE OLD: "Dare to be a Mormon, Dare to stand alone. Dare to have a purpose firm. Dare to make it known." THE NEW: "Don't you DARE say you're a 'Mormon' . . . Don't you dare to use that name! 'Cause Rusty doesn't like the term. And Rusty runs the game."

[@NeilAldridge-jp7rl]

He did say Hinckley and Monson gave Satan victory during that time😅😅

[@Cel_566]

9:23 that little kid woop-wooping in the background gets me every time

[@scottbrandon9390]

I cannot believe what I am seeing at 5:38. He tells little children if he led people astray (lied) he would be taken away. This implies he would die, since LDS prophets have a lifetime appointment. Notice the children may not appreciate this last bit because they are smiling.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Pretty terrible when you see it that way!

[@DoctorZisIN]

Kid's are probably thinking that he'll get fired, or exiled, or suspended without pay, like their dad was once. They're not thinking that the penalty for lying is death.

[@kendelsaunders728]

it's awful.

[@binren3984]

There was an exodus of members leaving the church when the G.A. change the requirements on Baptism. God does not make mistakes men make mistakes. Jesus never would deny children. Peace

[@jamesmorphe8003]

What changes? I dont keep up on church trivia anymore.

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

@@jamesmorphe8003 It's ALL trivial drivel, anymore, it seems. ("Nelson & The Boys" are always "in the thick of thin things" these days.)

[@sdfotodude]

Actually, the church is on fire and on a death spiral towards the actual truth.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

If you listen to Peter Bleakley, it sure seems that way!

[@kirstena1363]

I thought you were gonna talk about the story about his coworker that he had to retract from his autobiography because the family of the person in the story said it was not accurate.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I considered it, but thought the matters presented were more pressing!

[@Santiago-yc8lm]

I’ve never heard about this, can you elaborate please?

[@brettbarney4927]

Nicely done, as usual. I'm especially grateful that you pulled together the stuff from Hinckley, Monson, and the "I'm a Mormon" campaign to juxtapose explicitly with RMN's statement.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you kindly!

[@jeanbodie3921]

In about 2010 my friend and I went to the church office building to deliver a petition we had solicited from people all over the world regarding the now defunct one year wait punishment for daring to be married civilly and NOT inside the temple. So many people were hurt by that too and Nelson says they weep when others do BS! While we were waiting for Michael Otterson the receptionist asked if she could turn on the I'm a Mormon videos for us. I said we were fine, then in about 5 minutes she offered again so I told her that I was no longer a member and that she could watch my "I'm an ex-Mormon" video if she liked on KZbin. They spent a ton of money on the I'm a Mormon campaign. "SPENDING FOR SATAN"

[@kennance115]

Thanks for calling them out and trying to keep them honest.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure!

[@TisMountaingrown]

Unfortunately, I'm not sure anything with keep them honest

[@inChristalone1960]

Good work Nemo. 👏 You are such a gifted communicator.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers!

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO- Re. Thinking about Church Leaders having human weaknesses (cf. Eyring) at 8:00. I was thinking about a PBS documentary many years ago called "The Mormons". I think it was a five part series. There was a short interview clip with Elder Dallin Oaks. He said no member should ever question any leaders of the church. I am not sure if he meant on social media, across the pulpit, behind closed doors, or all three.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I’ll see if I can find it!

[@robhastings2496]

According to his biography by Sheri Dew, Russell's aircraft incident occurred Friday, November 12, 1976 on his way to Rolfe Kerr's inauguration as President of Dixie College in St. George, Utah. The flight was from Salt Lake. According to the account, the blown engine, death spiral, and emergency landing in the field happened near Delta, Utah. No Incident report was filed with either the FAA or the NTSB. The Millard County Chronicles Progress (the Delta newspaper) makes no mention of this incident. The nearby Millard County Chronicle in Fillmore wrote nothing of it. The St. George Color Spectrum has nothing on it. Deseret News reported one aircraft incident in Box Elder, as well as another aircraft accident in Ireland; but nothing else. The Salt Lake Tribune reported an aircraft accident in Florida, but nothing as regards anything in Delta or anywhere else in the State of Utah. The Dixie College Sun did mention Russell by name as giving the invocation at Rolfe Kerr's inauguration. The only verifiable fact we have from Russell's account is that, indeed, he did make it to the prayer on time.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Rusty want to edit redact or retract that miracle story? Huh Rusty what did you say? Can't hear you...

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

It. Drives me krazy. Lies. Garbage and stale cafeteria food. That is the milk and the meat. Well thanx I'd rather starve....

[@tb6303]

I resigned over the policy regarding children of gay parents, but was not part of the mass resignation. "We weep when our members weep?" So are they weeping now, when evidence overwhelmingly shows that the jag they urged on the members is killing a lot of people (even the young and healthy) and causing reproductive issues in many of those it doesn't kill? And many who died prayed and were told not to take it - but "the prophet" overruled God in their minds, so they "followed the prophet" instead of listening to God, and paid a very sad price. 😢

[@martinandersen9810]

I am so grateful to have become a member of this church. I thank the Lord every day for that blessing, and I am especially indebted to the Lord for again calling true prophets on the earth in our day. This is something to be celebrated. Russell M. Nelson is just such an individual prophet. What a man of God he is. Of course you can offer your opinion that such and such were not true, and justify your opinion of that because you have not yet found evidence of what was described, but that does not affect the truthfulness of the event. The temple in China is most exciting. Check back in 10 years when it will be operational.

[@gunnerlawts]

Me too. Like in bible days, we have to watch for wolves from within.

[@martinandersen9810]

@@gunnerlawts Our host here, NEMO, is what some call an anomaly. He presumably believes in the Church and wants to retain his membership in it, but he disagrees with most of its doctrines. I think he understands more and believes more than he lets on. Some see him as a paradox - claiming to be a fact checker while being dishonest about it, and not wanting to leave the faith he purports to as being a lie. Very curious and interesting. For instance, the church cooperates closely with the Chinese government in all its operations in China. The temple in China will likely be a portion of an existing multipurpose building in Shanghai and not built specifically as a temple. Pres Nelson said "In Shanghai, a modest multipurpose meeting place will provide a way for Chinese members to continue to participate in ordinances of the temple-in the People’s Republic of China-for them and their ancestors,”. It could well be an existing church facility in Shanghai that will be specially dedicated for only Chinese members, of which there are close to 10,000. Or it could be built as a multipurpose facility from scratch. The important part is that it is only to be for Chinese members. SO it will enhance the Chinese belief in families. I enjoyed attending LDS church services in Shanghai for expatriates several years ago. It was really cool. Pres Nelson actually is highly thought of and respected by Chinese officials. If he says there will be a functioning temple in Shanghai, there will definately be a functioning temple in Shanghai. It does not need to be built as one however. The Lord works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform. Of that I have great faith.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@martinandersen9810 I had the refute about China in a post of 3 days ago that begins; "Nemo; As I go to post this sixth comment, . . ." Can you not see it? I have 8 refutes, so far, and nobody ever responds to any. I fear Nemo blocks them, after promising me I could write my opinions freely. Let me know? If you can't see them, I will put them all on another site that doesn't block and gets more viewers than Nemo gets.

[@martinandersen9810]

@@gunnerlawts Yes I can see it on here, your post you describe. It has not been deleted. I will comment to it for you,. It requires honesty and a willingness to think for oneself to acknowledge you so not many will. They won't respond to us so get used to it. Few will want to break the trance of their imaginary world. But some will. Give it time. I have asked Nemo several times to bear his testimony but crickets.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@martinandersen9810 Thanks for that. I get worried at times, when I find the missing stuff reappears on re-opening the site the next time, so sometimes it is a glitch in the database, or the web.

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO- something was pointed out to me today. President Nelson in 2018 stated church members can become gods and have dominion over other planets. I went to gospel topic essays on the church website. Becoming Like God is blank as of 12:30 pm EST. I then went to church news, FAQ section. Under "Do Latter-day Saints believe they can become gods?" this has been changed. The church is now stating God wants us become like him. They then blame any notion of members becoming gods on critics of the church. The new gospel principles manual from 2009 (p. 277) says people who are exalted can become gods. The second thing from the news FAQ is "Do Latter-day Saints believe they will "get their own planet"?" Th answer to this is "No" according to the church. This has been taught in the last 23 years I have been a member. So why the change now?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I'm onto this, you'll see something soon hopefully! If you have a source for his 2018 statement I'd love to hear it!

[@TheShodan92]

It's truly miraculous that the glaring contradictions made by succeeding presidents of the church do not register within the bulk of it's members. It seems they accept what their prophet will say today and give him a pass for yesterday's contradictions. Any challenge to these things is considered wrong and frowned upon. It truly is a miracle that God given logic and the ability to think is forfeited. Thanks again NEMO.

[@tedgarrison8842]

Truth is cancer so truth is avoided….

[@LibRoseITM]

This is absolutely brilliant. Your best video yet!!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Wow, thank you!

[@mrhp4653]

Once again, well done Brother Nemo! The Truth matters as do any churches Truth Claims; how could they NOT matter?! If a person believes in an afterlife based on their behavior and choices made during life then the eternal disposition of their soul is very important and would be difficult to trust to a church with a history of untruthfulness. PS- that's a good looking horse over your right shoulder.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers! My horse, Daniel, is the best thing the church ever bought me! Thanks for you kind words, and you make a good point!

[@stimey14]

Another great one. Really appreciate the videos NEMO. Hope you are well and please keep up the great work!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks, will do!

[@angelamurphy9472]

If the prophet(s) can’t lead the Church astray, then why did the essay on priesthood say they had been mistaken???? Not to mention Dieter Uchdorf admit in General Conference that they made mistakes? Using children to further the lies and propaganda is despicable!

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

@Angela Murphy I think Uchtdorf got relegated to a (farmer's) pasture, somewhere, didn't he? (i.e., as in "put out to pasture")

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

Do you cover the situation where RMN intervened in his dsughter abs son in law's case of child abuse? He intervened at the ward level and with local authorities... so they weren't prosecuted, from what i understand. I just learned about this a few days ago...

[@Ratbass69]

You are doing gods work my friend. Bring the truth to light.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks!

[@mike1young]

5:16 anyone else get creepy vibes when a bunch of kids are being told that they won't be led astray?

[@mikez1114]

I love your channel Nemo. Keep up the great work!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Will do, thanks for the kind words!

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO - I tracked it down. President Nelson was prophet in December 2018 when he said this. If you go to KZbin under "2018 Christmas Devotional President Nelson Speaks", he speaks on four points. The fourth point is what to look for. If you advance on the video to 10:34, he refers to us having the potential to become Gods (God-like) and "preside over worlds and kingdoms as we do". That goes from 10:34 through 11:09 on the video.

[@MarkAElwood]

Thanks for documenting this Nemo.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

My pleasure!

[@mjordan79705]

Love the word salad explaining the repeal of the 2015 policy

[@rybread5718]

Hey man, he was speaking as a man in all those instances.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Fair point, I retract all my criticisms... /s

[@rybread5718]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON hahaha! It's such a terrible excuse... But seriously, good video. It's crazy what they say to justify everything they did incorrectly. It's hard to say you speak for a perfect, all knowing being that "never changes" but changes all the time.

[@vl6779]

“The so-called temple” 😂 it made me lol

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I love the way they were referred to as "The Mormonism of The United States"

[@ibrahimmosheret463]

​@@NEMOTHEMORMON Yeah but they're wrong. We're not Mormonism because we don't worship Mormon. We worship Jesus Christ.

[@ibrahimmosheret463]

​@feebeedee Yeah because we worship the Father through Jesus Christ. "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -John 14:6

[@aussieideasman8498]

@feebeedee You can waste a week reading the comments after Mike Winger's two hours trying to convince people they can explain the trinity to us. He will appreciate the cash for all who go there.

[@mdhhthh8593]

“God will never allow a prophet to lead the church astray” “Follow the prophet. Don’t go astray…he knows the way“ “When the leaders speak, the thinking had been done” I remember first noticing these common church sayings as a preteen and thinking to myself, “That sounds exactly like what an evil organization would want me to believe that was trying to fool me into believing they were good.” That thought was followed up with, “If I was created by some righteous god, that gave me a brain, I bet that god would be seriously disappointed if I didn’t use it and then got duped by old men with lines this lame.” According to local leaders, my downfall was my failure to doubt my doubts. 🙃

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Of course it was your fault!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Think oh hum what was that cartoon? Tangled??? When can I go outside?....they used to show it on buses going to temple. If anyone had been awake people would be leaving the buses and hitching rides on I-95!

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Instead your success was doubting their lies!

[@mtddmtdd1]

The real frustration for me is how active Mormons have made being "uninformed" a zen like quality. Why they don't all walk way amazes me.

[@tedgarrison8842]

Cult

[@gunnerlawts]

@@tedgarrison8842 The real Holy Ghost.

[@tedgarrison8842]

@@gunnerlawts The only real ghost was in the movie Ghostbusters; which I happen to be in while I was serving a mission for the cult.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@tedgarrison8842 You're just another failure.

[@tedgarrison8842]

@@gunnerlawts Son of Perdition. My new name is Jonah

[@jdawg3677]

When I was tbm in 2015 policy didn’t bother me but the overturn in 2019 shocked me. Why would god be so quick to change? Either the prophets got it wrong or god. It made me think of Joseph Smith and lending the 116 pages to Martin Harris. Begging the lord for permission to lend the pages. Was the Q15 doing the same thing by begging the lord to overturn it and finally the lord gives in? Now as a PIMO, the 2015 policy is ridiculous but it proves they are throwing mud against the wall to see if sticks.

[@egonaigner4757]

At 10:36, he looks upward "for whatever reason" as if to beckon the Lord ... that felt theatrical. Of all the Prophets in the past, Nelson is the most performative.

[@bonegrubber]

I miss the egocentric confidence that Gordon so humbly displayed during his extraordinary tenure as president

[@rdancranston]

Was that when the church was true? Cause seems to me its true no !matter who is leading it. You may have a favorite leader but it doesn't make the church any less true

[@bonegrubber]

@@rdancranston Yes, the churches TRUENESS depends ENTIRELY upon who's shoulders are behind the wheel... Or is it who's shoulders are against the wheel. For example back when my gr-8 x5 grandpa was running the show is when the church was the MOST true.

[@rdancranston]

It is on the Shoulders of Christ. It is his Church. His truth. It is never more true under one prophet than another because it isn't their Church. It is His. Men maybe fallible and opinionated and snarky and not very tactful in the way they lead the Church but if they lead us as try from the gospel they are removed from their place.If it was most true then and less true now why does it still exist. That doesn't make any sense.

[@bonegrubber]

@@rdancranston It's continuing existence is simple to explain... It's a mega rich super corporation that has hundreds of billions of dollars and owns 1/5th the farmland in the US alone. That's not mentioning it's vast holding throughout south America. It's business model thrives off of the tremendous volunteer base it still has and will continue to have for several decades at least. You bet this church rests on the shoulders of Jesus. He's so busy in heaven counting those fat stacks his shoulder must get cramps. I'll bet you donuts to dollars he's got brother Joseph and Hyrum helping him count those heavenly coins

[@sarahpinho1114]

​@@rdancranstonit barely exists, a very small percentage of the population and people are leaving in droves

[@Kristy_not_Kristine]

The Lord DID remove His name from the church in Joseph's day. It became the Church of the Latter-day Saints. Joseph was trying to get the people to repent and qualify for the Lord re-restoring what they had lost, but they didn't do it. D&C 124. They didn't build the temple as was required. They and their dead were rejected. BRIGHAM changed the name back, but he didn't have any authority to do so. As joseph warned, if Brigham got control of the church he'd lead it straight to hell. That's the predicament we find ourselves in. Jesus is the only way.

[@ScottJB]

Man, when I watch clips of Hinckley next to clips of Nelson, I'm reminded that Rusty Nelson has the charisma of a bag of mulch. It's no wonder the church exploded under Hinckley and is in a slow, boring decline under Rusty.

[@pastdueyt]

Awesome video, I can't wait for the mental gymnastics people will pull off to keep defending the victory for satan contradiction

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It’ll have to be some 9.8 or higher!

[@aussieideasman8498]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON You shouldn't reference your IQ.

[@kathrynclass2915]

One of your very best videos!! Thanks

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Wow, thanks!

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO at 5:16 re. growth of the church. I know someone who served in Mozambique up to the time of the pandemic. They were averaging 10 baptisms some weeks in many wards. Incidentally this is one of the new temple announcements. So the 50% drop may be due to the pandemic. My ward had next to no baptisms in the last 16 months because the building was shut down for much of that time. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next three years re. growth in membership numbers around the globe. My guess is African countries will see growth in membership again as will South American countries. It is hard to tell what will happen elsewhere in the world. There are missionaries who served pre-pandemic in some European countries who did not have one baptism during their mission.

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

Anyway, I don't see how to say that the pandemic didn't slow the progress when worldwide the church dropped by almost 50% of baptisms, even though some localities may have grown, in general the numbers are low. Fewer missionaries are even serving the church by removing several restrictions such as internet usage during mission. Fewer children are being registered with the church, which should indicate fewer active members. The church in Japan and Europe is collapsing, in Europe it was weak, in Japan 3 stakes were closed this year (last month)

[@scottbrandon9390]

At 2:37. The temple in Shanghai that was recently announced. Are you telling me this is a no go? It was announced in General Conference.

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

It's not currently possible, until China allows it, which I think is very unlikely to happen. Now the prophet may have announced for maybe 50...100 years....200 years to happen... well, we're going to be dead without being able to prove that the prophet lied, right? The Hong Kong temple appears to have been closed for over a year for renovation, and will likely remain so, the other temple in Shanghai has no groundbreaking announcement, nothing else, we just have so far a statement from China not recognizing this. China only recognizes 5 religions, and the Mormon Church is not legally recognized as a religion by the Chinese government, if even as a religion it is recognized, having a temple will be even further away

[@jsmith1746]

The church announced they were building a temple, then the Chinese government said "ummm, no you're not". No news since.

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

@@jsmith1746 The problem that church members are blind, this announcement is something that won't happen while many are alive, but will believe it will still happen.... it's like believing that the second coming of Jesus is near, and at the time Joseph Smith believed it would be while he was alive. As the statement of the chosen generation, every generation for decades is the chosen generation. The problem is to see that Prophet Nelson clearly lied about the claim that the church was accelerating growth during the pandemic (new convert numbers were halved from pre-2000 numbers), and also about the unreported plane crash. Even though the prophet lied, people will try to believe he is a prophet.

[@annaz220]

因为上海这边程序出了点问题 不是先知的错。上海这边没有弄好，怪上海这边的负责人

[@ScreamSodaInc]

Genuine question from an exmormon: How have you not be excommunicated yet? Also I love your work, thank you

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Not sure, maybe we're just more progressive here in the UK? But then Peter Bleakley is about to be Excommunicated so who knows!

[@martinandersen9810]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON I am sure your time will come. But I wonder why you have not left the church voluntarily.

[@martinandersen9810]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Like you, I also want to remain a staunch member of the church till the day I die. It has been such a wonderful faith to be a part of.

[@martinandersen9810]

@@ng7m-ham-shack I am sorry to hear that you have lost faith and gone another way. Some do leave and it is unfortunate. Others do their objective research and stay totally involved because it blesses their life and makes them stronger than ever in testimony and faith. I would be on that side of outcome. Nemo refuses to leave the church even though he says he no longer believes so I guess he would be a third type of person different than either of us.

[@2phonesjones899]

@@ng7m-ham-shack APOSTASY !!!!! Amos 8:11-12

[@richardallen383]

I had just started a new job as an executive for a water utility in California. I had broad responsibility over several primary business and regulatory functions of the utility. As a result of overseeing the utilities regulatory functions I needed to stay abreast of the water production operations which are regulated on many fronts including water quality. There are dozens of contaminants that must be tested for in wells that provide culinary water that humans drink and ingest through cooking and beverage making. Arsenic is a poison often found naturally in well water. There are regulation set forth by both federal and state governments as to how much arsenic can naturally be present before the well is shut down. The EPA standard is 10 parts per billion (ppm). The wells were tested periodically for arsenic. For each well, the amount of arsenic varied for each test. The test results had to be filed with the health department. If the amount of arsenic exceeded the maximum contaminant level (mcl), then the well had to be taken out of service. When’s well is taken out of service the amount of water no longer being pumped has to be made up from another source. Nearly always, the other source of water is significantly more expensive than the well water. While in attendance at a meeting between the Operations Vice President and the manage of water quality, the manager of water quality reported that a particular well had exceeded the mcl for arsenic. The Operations VP ordered that the official test results to be altered to reflect a lower mcl in order to not shut down the well which would in turn save a lot of money. Besides saving money it saved the company from various customer notification procedures and other requirements that were necessary to comply with once the well exceeded the mcl. Being new, I didn’t cause a scene at that meeting, over learning the company I had just started working for was falsifying water quality test results. Instead I quietly began investigating how often this was done and what the penalties were for falsifying test results. To my dismay, I found that falsifying reports to regulatory agencies was common practice in the industry to avoid the regulatory burdens associated with an out of compliance well. In my case I gathered the facts and risks and presented them to the President, Chairman of the board and other top executives. A short time later the Operations VP retired early and strict orders were given to not falsify test results. I say this because I have first hand knowledge that companies purposely minimize reports that go to regulatory agencies in order to avoid burdensome requirements placed upon them when a incident occurs which triggers regulatory compliance procedures. I would not doubt for a moment that the airline which flew Russell M. Nelson minimized the report with respect to the incident in which President Nelson was a part of. I trust President Nelson’s version much more than the airlines version. Smearing a person’s reputation over as scant as evidence as you have presented says much about your motivations.

[@kennethpaschall4801]

Most excellent episode NEMO!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you very much!

[@TheShodan92]

Had another watch and listen due to your thorough and interesting videos. I noticed when Pres. Nelson spoke regarding changes he referred to the will of the Lord and church policy in the same statement. Nothing really wrong with that, except when it comes to pointing out these changes with other LDS members who often state that a change is merely a tweek of church policy and not the will nor the mind of the Lord. Some of these changes are scriptural and/or fundamental and for some faithful members a policy change is interpreted as an internal matter and not the will of the Lord.

[@democraticpatriot2657]

The November 2015 edict was based on a "revelation." When it was rescinded, R M Nelson called it a "policy." Nice switcheroo!

[@keiths5316]

God has not changed his definition of chastity or marriage? Seriously, has he read the OT? Concubines? Polygamy? Tamar? Lot's incestuous episode? Need I go on?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Polygamy is the big one there, can't believe I missed that!

[@tedgarrison8842]

Don’t forget Lot’s daughters getting Lot drunk after their mother was turned to stone and then the daughters having sex with Lot in order for his linage to continue….

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

@@tedgarrison8842 Keith has never read it.

[@lifeisagift.cherisheverymoment]

Truth through lies is more accurate.

[@kennethd.9436]

Excellent video!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you very much!

[@amyanderson6904]

The I'm a Mormon campaign is a replica of the ad campaign for "I'm a Scientologist". They're almost indistinguishable minus the label.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I didn't know this, i'll look into it, thanks for sharing!

[@amyanderson6904]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON you bet!

[@allenreed5350]

Nemo, spot on again my friend!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thank you!

[@gunnerlawts]

Like a bird crapping on your head.

[@ARAZTXTN]

It sounds like your getting the phrase "never lead astray" mixed up with "never make even the slightest misstep in the things you say" Putting the name of Christ back into the name of the church is a great thing and he admitted that the church has made a mistake of using the name Mormon. Christ has always let his people make mistakes, it's part of the deal in being mortal. Nothing president Nelson has said is worthy of saying he had led the people further from God, but closer.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I would say the prophets doing something which is a “major victory for satan” is leading the members astray

[@ARAZTXTN]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON the Prophets made did make a mistake maybe even a sin of omission by letting the church stray from the name of using Christs name, but this happened gradually over the course of generations, and as happens in the Church, if one prophets accepts it, the next tends not to question. Mistake?, yes, sin? Probably, but leading astray is not accurate.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Thanks for taking your time to qualify your position, I suppose we simply disagree as to what constitutes leading people astray, which is fine. Thanks for reaching out!

[@TheShodan92]

When you look at what Russel Nelson says regarding any other name of the church " is a victory for Satan and an offense to Jesus ", does not align with the video snippets of Gordon Hinckley stating that " Mormon means 'more good' ". The glaring contradiction of both statements makes the Lord look like a flip flopper. I don't believe the Lord is a flip flopper. In fact, as a non member I agree with LDS teachings that the Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

[@ARAZTXTN]

@@TheShodan92 If you lived at the time of Christ and applied that same thought process, would you be His follower? He made A LOT of changes. Jews at the time all the sudden had apostles, structured church, new scripture, old covenants done away, new ones replaced them. After He died, changes continued with the acceptance of Gentiles and doing away with the law of circumcision, scripture and revelations continued. If HE is the same always, changes are to be expected as we strive to be closer to Him. This change isn't saying the word Mormon is bad, it's saying we need to use the name of Jesus more. That's a change I think Jesus approves.

[@milesgermer4871]

This is very well done. I am impressed.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers!

[@rouxfan]

Thanks for this video. At 4:17 Nemo states "In 1977 You could not be black and enter the temple" I have a multi-part question. 1) Do 12 year old males need the Aaronic Priesthood to do temple baptisms? 2) Before 1977 could black 12 year members do temple baptisms? 3) What about black female members or adult black male members? 4) Could adult black female members do their own endowments before 1977 since females don't need priesthood to go to the temple?

[@ThomasJDavis]

Notice how Nelson uses the word "truth". He doesn't say "teach nothing but the truth", he says, "teach nothing but 'truth'". This is a very common way for religions to use this word. Rather than define "truth" as "that which corresponds with reality", the implied definition is, "that which corresponds with the doctrine". He's basically saying that there are certain immutable facts about reality that are indisputable. But what he, or rather the writer of his talk, doesn't take into account is that the problem for people does not lie in what is or is not a fact, the problem lies in what we can _know_ is true or know what is a fact, or know what the most reasonable conclusion is for a given proposition. We do not merely get to _assert_ things into existence by our mere speaking them. They have to be demonstrated and/or rationally justified. And even then, we do not get to claim knowledge, we can only claim to have the most reasonable belief or conclusion in that moment with the information we have available. And because we can't claim knowledge, these beliefs or statements made about reality _are_ disputable. We can't know if they are in fact immutable facts about reality. This is the whole problem. I'm kind of digressing, but in my opinion, there are many religions and religious sects that use epistemological terms incorrectly (possibly by design, just as they would incorporate the scientific term "experiment"), and I have found that the Mormon church is one of the more obvious offenders. edit: I would argue that the reason why Nelson is speaking in the way that he is is because, whether it be intentional or not, he's operating from within a dogmatic mindset. And dogmatists will speak about "truth" and "belief" and "knowledge" and "facts" based on many unchallenged assumptions that are effectively axiomatic in their mind. And because of these assumptions, they will get confused as to what they mean to say when speaking about epistemological concepts. So if Nelson were aiming for accuracy in his terminology, what he really meant to say is, "teach nothing but _facts"._ But again, this assumes knowledge is obtainable, which is an unsurprising assumption coming from a dogmatist. And besides that, using the word "truth" probably carries some feel-good baggage with it too.

[@scottduede8134]

Peer review is vital. This is a good example of peer review.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers Scott!

[@keiths5316]

Lie within a lie? Burning fuel spraying the side of the plane? They were probably going a minimum of 150mph. I don't know if he knows anything about wind or drag or aerodynamics, but it seems beyond unlikely that fuel flew laterally towards the fuselage at that kind of airspeed. Unless, of course, God suspended Newtonian physics so Rusty could tell a good story.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I certainly don't know much about those things, so cheers for sharing!

[@keiths5316]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Keep up the good work, Nemo. Really enjoy your insight. Cheers.

[@eleylawfirm1]

I'm going to give him a pass on that detail. People can misremember things in stressful situations. Manufacturing the entire incident is another matter entirely. I doubt that he would misremember landing in a farmer's field rather than an airport. But hey, Joseph Smith misremembered the First Vision, so I guess anything else is fair game.

[@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565]

There was an incident on a flight some time ago that the carcass around the engine came off. The fire that appeared was I don't remember if it was friction or engine oil, but the fuel was not, because the fuel for the engine is cut, if I'm not mistaken, distributing it to the other wing. Burning fuel is an untruth, perhaps because of the lack of knowledge about it (and the lack of revelation from God)

[@ahashdahnagila6884]

@@josephsmitheapedranochapeu9565 "carcass" around the engine?

[@adamholloway7963]

Around 4:00 mark, Nelson says, "God has not changed his definition of marriage" and yet, according to previous Prophets, Seers, and Revelators, God said that White members were NOT to marry African Americans but God now says that that type of marriage is ok.

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO- I just went on the church website. The 2011 version of Gospel Principles is still there. Chapter 47 "Exaltation" says we can become gods. So there is a difference with what is on their web site with at least one manual and the news department FAQ released/changed yesterday. How is this going to be explained?

[@ibrahimmosheret463]

There is an another revelation. :)

[@almasomerville1070]

I'm here and waiting Wahooo

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Cheers pal!

[@nerdnul]

Truth is whatever the prophet says it is. Truth MUST follow all of the following: Rule number one inside LDS: “Never ever say anything negitive about Joseph Smith, even if it is the authenticated actions of a scoundrel.” You, a member of LDS, must NEVER admit to Joseph Smith being wrong about ANYTHING. LDS members WILL revier Joseph Smith as deity at ALL times. As such, the Prophet, Seer and Revelator of succession will do NO wrong, say NO wrong, and act NO wrong. Rule number two: You will pretend to not notice there is nothing to substantiate the Book of Mormon as an inspired book. Even though there is no archeology, artifacts, written collaboration, or sociology to support the single source manuscript, you will speak reverently regarding the MIRICAL that it is. You MUST say it is the most correct of all books and never say that it has been changed over 4 thousand times. Rule number three: You MUST declare LDS as a Christian nuance. You will NEVER speak of our doctrine where we believe Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife begotten in the pre-existence, the brother of all spirits born in heaven in the premortal existence, one of 3 gods in the godhead, the Trinity is three separate gods, first one to receive a spirit body, atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemane, and was a polygamist, having 4 wives and several children. Further, you will NEVER read, review, experience any unauthorized material regarding LDS history, BoM history, Mormonism etc. ONLY LDS approved material will be authorized for your consumption. Your opinion WILL comport to the current LDS narrative and nothing else no matter the source of your unauthorized conviction.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I have broken all 3 rules, where does that leave me?

[@nerdnul]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Well then, you are in a category known as "Truthful Mormon" a rare class indeed. Very few achieve this honor which is higher than a second anointing.

[@jamesmorphe8003]

Rule number 3, remember rules 1 and 2,unless a new prophet changes 1 or 2, then proceed to rule number4.

[@tedgarrison8842]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON on your way out

[@TipsWithTulip]

I am a lifelong member and have never heard about these rules. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NOT DOCTRINE! Our prophets are human. They sin. They are also in need of Christ’s Grace. 🤦‍♀️

[@martinandersen9810]

NEMO - you should do a video on why remaining in the church makes total sense even after a person no longer believes in it. It is just a smart move to stay faithful, isn't it? So many people on here have left the church needlessly. Help them understand that leaving is not the answer. You could be such a blessing.

[@rdancranston]

He won't answer you. Besides he may leave the church...but he will never leave it alone. To many followers on hisnchannel. Without this he has nothing.

[@martinandersen9810]

​@@rdancranston No he won't answer and that is OK. He knows the church is true so he will try to stay included in it while he tries to be popular with the fringes, but he doesn't realize that church membership is pointless without the reception of the Holy Spirit and the confirming power of the Holy Spirit of promise.

[@kenny-gee]

My Mormon extremist TBM , former Area Authority father . Said to me it doesn’t matter if things are true , as long as they are faith promoting.

[@123mneil]

I was just told yesterday that I can't be a truth seeker if I don't believe in God.

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO- Re. Mormon nickname removal at 5:52. This was a contentious issue in 2018. What I want to point out is the fact that this was a long time coming. Elder Ballard used to caution members about the correct reference to the LDS Church long before 2018. Other general authorities also made these comments periodically. However the "I am a Mormon" campaign, references by Presidents Hinckley and Monson to "Mormons" in talks and media department references to LDS as synonymous with "Mormon" meant no change was coming. I suspect this was a struggle or at least a pet peeve among the 15 brethren in SLC. So when President Nelson was called, that's when the changes occurred. He was on the side to eliminate "Mormon". It meant a major rebranding. Even the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is now known as "The Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square".

[@user-bw3fl7fj9w]

Then need to come up with something else short.. no one wants to hear that you're a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints when one word Mormon will do!! Besides people know Mormon. Someone asked me last week, are you a Mormon..I just said yes. Not going to correct them, they'll either think you're being rude or crazy because they know Mormon is the common name. Besides all other churches, religions use one word to describe...

[@scottbrandon9390]

@@user-bw3fl7fj9w That was my point when Nelson came to my hometown. The change was just made two weeks before. I still to this ay don't see why "mormon" is a problem. People know what that is. Latter-day Saint, or LDS is not known by everyone and it is too long. And as you correctly say, people use Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, Methodist etc. to label their religious affiliation.

[@crawfordcockers]

The problem isn't so much putting the name mormon aside, it was just freaking ridiculous that RMN said Satan won when mormon was used. That was seriously a stupid approach to the matter

[@scottbrandon9390]

@@user-bw3fl7fj9w Hi MA. I do the same thing. If they want to get rid of "Mormon" there has to be another short nickname. Saying I am "LDS" or Latter-day Saint doesn't cut it. It's an indefinite reference. I say Mormon because people know exactly what church I belong to.

[@scottbrandon9390]

@@crawfordcockers Plus they rebranded the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

[@jozz7061]

Hi Nemo, I have been watching a few of your videos. I am a ‘Mormon’ (lol) as well.. in every video you point out the mistakes and inconsistencies preached by the leaders, some I agree with some I don’t. However, you always seem to leave out something that bugs me a little. Where do you stand given all the criticism? Do you have a testimony? If so which areas do you believe are true and which you don’t? I am really interested to know your thoughts! Thanks :)

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I wouldn't say I leave it out, I would say it's not relevant. My videos are primarily an exploration of the facts and events, with focus on exploring the logical fallacies. Where does my own belief fit into that? It's one of the reasons this channel is not under my own name. I'm not that important in this. I figure it suffices to say that I am an active member of the church.

[@jozz7061]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Thanks for replying. I am just generally interested, and I am sure others are also, in what you believe. Would make a great video! :)

[@jozz7061]

Hi Nemo. Just came across this video after 2 years. My family and I are all now currently less active. We have no desire to attend church as we are often being let down by it’s leaders/bishops, and on going inconsistencies. A fear of what happens when we die has always kept me a strong member of the church. Through researching NDE’s I understand that we live on after death and it is far more than what any religion can even comprehend. Members need to be at a stage where they are ready to hear this kinda information. The church is a members who being, and having it exposed is like ripping out there soul. I think your approach of simply stating facts and being unbiased is good. PS. I believe in a God, but IMO he’s the same entity that all religions believe in

[@drakelazerus]

Those poor kids sitting there being led astray by the false concept that men with certain church callings don't have the power to teach you false things. Oh the irony! Passing down false traditions passed of as truth. Classic Video.

[@davidswenson8573]

Dude your channel is awesome! Thank you

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

You’re very welcome!

[@China-Clay]

How long ago did this airplane “story” first come out?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

No entirely sure, maybe late 90's early 2000's?

[@China-Clay]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON crazy

[@daverenken1371]

Thanks so much for the video Nemo the Mormon!! It seem ever since he’s become the President of the church it’s been one gaff after another. I feel bad for the next one cause there’s going to be quite the mess to clean up after his passing.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

You're very welcome!

[@brentwooden7995]

Why not the truth about tithing?????

[@loiniko1787]

Hey Nemo, if the prophets lies, why don't you be the prophet and tell us all the truths which God reveals to you for all of us?

[@carlaldrich7303]

The only NTSB entry for Nov 12, 1976 was an incident in Brigham City--on the opposite end of the state from St. George--at 4:30 PM. Not many details, but it does mention engine failure and landing in a field. There is almost no chance Russ was on board though.

[@ko9s422]

I posted this above, but it looks like you would be interested. I found this in the Civil Aeronautics Board Reports. "Second incidence occurred Nov. 11, 1976 involving Piper PA 31 N74985. Pilot experienced rough engine on scheduled flight between Salt Lake City and St. George. 3 passengers on board. Engine was feathered and precautionary landing made at Delta, Utah, per instructions in company manual. Investigation revealed cylinder base studs sheered. As result of occurrence Sky West change maintenance procedures by checking torque studs at each 100 hour inspection. No damage to aircraft. No injuries to crew or passengers." This report shows several things. First, not all incidents are reported to the NTSB since this is a documented incident not listed on the NTSB website. Second, since the engine was feathered, that indicates the engine had stopped working. It may have been that the engine had caught on fire or was just blowing a lot of smoke. To passengers flying in a tiny plane (Pipers are small), it would probably seem as if the engine was on fire. Third, this was the regular SkyWest commuter flight between Salt Lake and St. George. Either the date is wrong in the report (the inauguration really was on Nov. 12) or President Nelson flew in the day before but mentions Nov. 12 because that was the big event. Neither publications nor memories are always perfect. They probably didn't fly this route every single day. Note there were only 3 passengers, so there wasn't high demand, nor were there a lot of other people to confirm the event. Remember President Nelson is 96 and has outlived a lot of people. At a minimum, this lends a lot of credibility to President Nelson's story and definitely casts some doubt on some of the things you claim here. Here is the link to the report if anyone would like to verify this plane incident for themselves. www.google.com/books/edition/_/wNa3AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1090&dq=skywest+incidents+1976

[@robhastings2496]

"On November 12, 1976, Russell Nelson had boarded a commuter plane in Salt Lake City to fly the quick route to St. George, Utah, where he was to give the invocation at the inauguration of W. Rolfe Kerr as the president of Dixie College. It was a short hop of less than an hour in a small, two-engine propeller plane. Only four passengers on board. The pilot had just announced that they were halfway to St. George when the engine on the right wing exploded, spewing oil all over the right side of the aircraft and then bursting into flames. In an attempt to douse the flames, the pilot turned the fuel off, causing the small plane to go suddenly into a free fall death spiral. The woman across the aisle from Russell began to scream hysterically. But Russell felt calm. “It was the most amazing thing,” he said. “I thought, ‘My wife and I are sealed. Our children are sealed to us. I’ve honored my covenants. I’ll meet my ancestors and go on to a glorious resurrection..'” He was, however, impressed with how quickly and comprehensively the mind can work. “It’s true, your life does flash before you. I had a bright recollection and perfect remembrance of my whole life. One major thought was that all of the framed awards and honors on my wall, the various clothes I’d worn - tuxedos and uniforms and doctoral robes - didn’t mean anything. What mattered was that I had my garments on and had been faithful to the covenants I’d made in the temple. I knew I was going to die, but I knew I would be fine.” Miraculously, the free fall extinguished the fire, and, in the nick of time, the pilot was able to start the left engine, regain control of the plane, and guide it to an emergency landing in a farmer’s field not far from Delta, Utah. Everyone walked away from the incident unharmed. Another plane was dispatched, and Russell made it to St. George in time to give the invocation." All this happened and the CAB report states that there was no damage to the aircraft?

[@carlaldrich7303]

@@ko9s422 great find. I didn't even think to use the trusty old Google search 😳. I am totally willing to be wrong and allow for imperfection from 40 years ago in an old man's memory. But @Rob Hastings has a good point too: Nelson's story is a catastrophic, life threatening event when the reality was more of a maintenance issue. The story he tells is dramatized for effect at best--right in the gray area of dishonest at worst. I'll even give some leeway for Nelson not being a pilot and that it was probably a fairly scary event. He's giving more of a show with this story than the facts back up.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@carlaldrich7303 The fact that his plane had an incident is only told so that there is a reason to respond to the woman; the lesson in the talk is about planning for death so that it doesn't bother you. While I don't mind people trying to clarify the facts, I do mind that the lesson is ignored and the incidental part takes precedence. This is a classic example of straining at gnats to swallow camels. Get some perspective that serves you better.

[@carlaldrich7303]

@@gunnerlawts I get the purpose of the story. The context of this video is that Nelson (and other leaders) habitually tells contradictory, trumped up, or just plain false stories for inspiration or self-aggrandizement. In its original context maybe it doesn't matter if there was even an airplane at all. But in how many other contexts is this story going to be used as a true miraculous event? I mean, it's in his official biography without much deviation from the way he tells it.

[@johneasler9967]

the church will get cancelled one of these days

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

In what sense?

[@johneasler9967]

The church history that includes so much racism

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Who would want this for eternity?????

[@jamesmorphe8003]

teaching truth, isnt the same as telling the truth.

[@pauletteforeman2194]

Nelson is a bad liar. If any LDS Prophet in the history of the church could single-handedly drive even the most hopeful of members away, it would be him.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Unfortunately so!

[@scottbrandon9390]

NEMO - The entry for "Becoming Like God" on the Gospel Topic Essays has now been replaced on the church website with a revised version. This happened a few hours ago. After reviewing past prophets of the church and their stance on members becoming gods and having dominion over kingdoms and planets, they are now downplaying the significance of this for today. They use the word "interpretation" over doctrine today. The entry mentions 1947 and that was the year Hinckley wrote a book which broke down the divinity of humans and how they will have dominion over other worlds if they achieve exaltation. I know RFM is planning on discussing this later tonight in his podcast.

[@kentthalman4459]

Nelson's numerous missteps during his tenure will haunt his history forever.

[@gunnerlawts]

I doubt Nelson is too concerned about what the world thinks of him, especially the great unwashed.

[@tienmou68]

I suspect the numerous missteps throughout your life will haunt you forever, too, Kent. Especially this act of judging another human being. What have you done with your life??? Surely not a tiny fraction of what Russell Nelson has done.

[@kentthalman4459]

@@tienmou68 Fortunately, I haven't made a claim to speak or act for god.

[@tienmou68]

@@kentthalman4459 All you've done is made a fool of yourself before the world. Classic, Kent. Truly classic.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@kentthalman4459 You may have represented Satan, though. These matters are like the adage; "if you have nothing nice to say - best say nothing at all." My reasoning is this - if you are 100% certain Nelson is not a true prophet, risk leading souls away in large numbers; otherwise, even 99% certainty is you taking a risk with your eternal welfare. While 8 Seconds wants to know what you have done in your life, I will reduce the question to have you ever been LDS? I'm betting you have.

[@5five6x45]

THESE GUY THAT LEAD THE INSANE CHURCH OF THE LDS ARE OFF THE HOOK FULL OF IT. THANK YOU FOR BRING THE BULLS#$T TO LIGHT. EVERYTIME YOU RELEASE A VIDEO THEY MUCH TRIP. GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY THEY KNOW BETTER THEN YOU RIGHT! MONEY OVER THE MEMBERS! JUST GIVE IT TIME NEMO AND THE WILL X YOU. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!

[@45s262]

Paul h dunn: the take away for me is the man's repentance. Can't even mention that objectively... ?? He could have quietly slipped into the shadows. Instead repentance and humility and to eat with the dogs so to speak. And I love him twice the more for it.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I too appreciated that Paul H. Dunn apologised. It was carefully worded, but an apology nonetheless. Maybe I was wrong not to mention that, but to my mind he was a cameo to the main issue. Cheers for the feedback!

[@joetaylor8687]

Sometimes when your back is against the wall, you really have to option than to address the obvious facts. This is what happened when McConkie had to backtrack on his statement that the "blacks" would NEVER receive the priesthood, etc. No place to hide. . . have to say something in response, and it can't be TOTALLY absurd.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Your apologies are long overdue. Stilll blocking me?

[@gunnerlawts]

@@joetaylor8687 Nephi wrote even prophets make mistakes - what part did you not understand?

[@joetaylor8687]

@@gunnerlawts Go read Deuteronomy 18:20-22 and 13:1-5. Also Matthew 24:11. You probably meant to say, "JOSEPH SMITH wrote . . . " Right?

[@scottbrandon6244]

The Chinese temple in Shanghai is on hold for now. No okay from the Chinese government.

[@jackfenton2271]

IT'S A CULT.

[@faithlessfather]

How do you already have thousands of subscribers after only 7 months of making videos?

[@gunnerlawts]

Feeds off the gullible? No shortage of those in this wide world.

[@SomethingLocal]

Love the channel Nemo, you’re killing it. It might help if you didn’t look like the unibomber though :P

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Genuinely the best comment on my beard yet!!! Hahaha!

[@SomethingLocal]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON Love ya good buddy, keep speaking truth! :)

[@ChildePC]

Truth is truth until you ask about endowments. Then they are quiet about... Truth... Which he said... Truth is comanded to be told

[@jsmith1746]

There are only two accidents in the NTSB database in Utah during November 1976. One of them was in fact on November 12, 1976. However it was a single engine Cessna 210, and it occurred on a "local" flight (local meaning the flight was intended to takeoff and land at the same airport) at 4:30pm in Brigham City, UT, over 150 miles from Delta, UT and over 300 miles from St. George, where Dixie State is located. It does have the similarity of being a non-fatal, off airport landing in a field. The cause of the accident is listed as fuel starvation, meaning the likelihood of a wing being on fire is extremely remote because about the only thing that can burn on the wing of a Cessna 210 would be the fuel tanks, which were empty. The second accident in the NTSB database from November 1976 was on November 6, 1976 in Grantsville, UT. It was a single engine Piper PA-24, and it was a fatal accident.

[@ko9s422]

I made a separate comment about this with a link. I found documentation for this incidence, but it's not on the NTSB website. It's in the Civil Aeronautics Board Reports.

[@lancehemmert3070]

Shutting down a rough running engine, feathering the prop, and making a precautionary landing at an alternate airport according to company policy in a lightly loaded twin aircraft is hardly worth mentioning unless it made Nelson late for his appointment, which it apparently did not. It is certainly a far cry from death spiral dive in an aircraft engulfed in flames with hysterical female on board and both engines out. What about the right engine "bursting open" and catching fire, the aircraft engulfed in flames, the left engine failure, the death spiral dive, the miraculous left engine re-start? And as Dr. Moore asked, what about landing the plane in a farmer's field? Compared to what was actually reported, Nelson's story is a lie.

[@mikechristensen1604]

@@ko9s422 It also does not factually describe "this incidence" in any manner in which Nelson does, except that there was a small plane that had to land early in Delta.

[@ko9s422]

@@lancehemmert3070 I replied to similar assertions on my own post. For what it's worth, I would have been rather hysterical myself if I had been on that plane. And President Nelson never claimed the entire plane was engulfed in flames. Who is embellishing and "lying" now? Wow.

[@ko9s422]

@@mikechristensen1604 The more I look at this report, it makes total sense. It is probably a Sky West employee writing to the FAA to try to explain away why they had 3 incidents in a row with engine failures without (perhaps) properly reporting it. "Yeah, so we had these 3 small episodes of engine failures, but really none of them were a big deal and everything was fine. We followed company protocol and now we've updated our maintenance procedures, so really, everything is fine now. They were all really minor and not worth reporting. It's all just fine. The planes are great. The pilots and passengers are great. Nothing to see here." In other words, please don't fine us or hold us in violation. Too funny! So you are willing to put your full faith and credit in a probable airline employee trying to save the company's rear-end while giving zero credibility to someone who was actually on the plane and even in a secular sense had good standing as a famous heart surgeon. Yeah, if I were you I might reevaluate who I put my trust in.

[@gunnerlawts]

Nemo; I am going to share my perspectives on your concern for lack of truth in the prophet, and ask you if you think I should be permitted to, regardless of how much I may differ in opinion? That is; do you suppress those who don’t agree with you? Do you get up to tricks like blocking, and do you think it is morally fine to get up to such tricks? My opinion on those trampling freedom of speech is that it shows the trampler has something to hide. It shows they are liars about their own claims, and deception is in their blood - what say you?

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

You can say what you like! If you engage in ad hominem or are generally not constructive, then I may not engage with you.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON I will hold you to your word. I will say when points are silly, and not directly say the person has to be silly. I will leave that for readers to decide when enough silly points tip the scales for them. As for being constructive; it is usually crticism that is non-constructive, but I will be just giving an alternate opinion, and people deserve that. I deal in logic, and I always try to give examples of my reasoning.

[@derralhawthorne4616]

@@gunnerlawts I'm sorry, but you deal in logic yet you are a faithful member of a very illogical religion? Logic would certainly lean towards the cornerstone of the religion, the BOM to be non historical at best and a complete fabrication meant to deceive at worse. To this you can only claim a feeling from god as support of truth in the face of overwhelming proof it is not being historical, there is no logic in that. Logic would indicate that if the BOM is not historical then the rest of the religion is also not true. You sir cannot "deal in logic" when you are in a faith based religion.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@derralhawthorne4616 [I'm sorry, but you deal in logic yet you are a faithful member of a very illogical religion?] Happy to discuss anything you claim to be illogical about it. At present, all you have done is presuppose - hardly logical. [Logic would certainly lean towards the cornerstone of the religion, the BOM to be non historical at best] I will start with this - religion is faith in God's revelations, and has spanned time, but history has never been the key; it has had to happen, incidentally. The BoM has the correct balance of revelations and incidental history. History doesn't have to be proven, and the revelations are proven by the witness of the Spirit, but only to those who are worthy; not to all. [and a complete fabrication meant to deceive at worse.] Logic dictates that if a person is deceived, they fall prey to something, so what are we prey to from believing the revelations contained in the book? Forget about the history. [To this you can only claim a feeling from god as support of truth in the face of overwhelming proof it is not being historical, there is no logic in that.] There is no need to confirm the historical events; they are somewhat moot, and only provide the thread of the wanderings of certain groups, as revelations come. Logic says throw out the redundant, or it will send you down a rabbit hole. As for the revelations; some were more than feelings, but direct words, and even direct visits, but we must also conclude the use of feelings are valid, because God uses them, as evidenced in many biblical events, as well as in events in Smith's era. Logic says don't discard how God operates. Satan wants people not to have personal communication with God. It is illogicl to follow what he wants. [Logic would indicate that if the BOM is not historical then the rest of the religion is also not true.] Logic dictates that absense of evidence is not proof history hasn't transpired. Besides presuming you have proven it is a fable on the strength of not finding a sword here or there, the 6,000 years of history has 6 billion people with no similar proof of how they got here, historically. Your conclusion? - nearly 6 billion don't exist? lol. [You sir cannot "deal in logic" when you are in a faith based religion.] On the contrary, if God decrees it is faith based, then it is highly logical to comply. And faith is merely a necessary component - there is much that is logical supporting God's plan, but illogical to rule out what God includes. If you want to shoot ducks, I will supply you with a spear gun. No chance. If you want to shoot fish, I will give you a shotgun. No chance. But if you use the shotgun for the duck shoot, and the spear gun for the fish, you will succeed both times (provided you are competent). The right tool for the job is common sense, and the right tool for salvation is faith.

[@derralhawthorne4616]

@@gunnerlawts I appreciate your passion and understand that basing your life on a religion for the last 60 years, especially one that has so many historical issues takes dedication. To start, the historicity of the BoM is not a moot point, it is the cornerstone of the religion. It shows the hand of god leading to the full restoration of the gospel on this continent up to JS being led to the plates. The story of the BoM is as important as the revelations contained within to the restoration of the gospel. Unfortunately, the story includes belief in the tower of babel, impossible year long voyage in closed up submarines full of livestock and bees. Battles with hundreds of thousands dead at one time that used steel swords, chariots and horses with no historical evidence. We have found evidence for Vikings swords in the world, we should have found the steel, chariots, bones of horses, nephite coins, not to mention DNA to support the claim. In this case, lack of evidence is clear evidence of falsehood. You also speak of the logic of "working in god's way" but this requires certain concessions to be made. For example you must concede that there is a god, that the bible is written under the direction of that god, that there is indeed a satan who is tempting you. You have to concede that there is a holy spirit that speaks to our hearts and minds before you can say trusting feelings is the way god works. You also must reject all other religions as false because they don't use your books or your same way of god merhods. This is the price that is paid by the fraud. You have based your life, your relationships, gave 10 percent of your money and who knows how many hours of your life away from your family, self discovery etc to a false religion. That is the deception. It is control, the religion has controlled the entire trajectory of your life. That is the price you continue to pay for membership.

[@scottbrandon9390]

I think the "truth is truth" talk at 0:31 was about science as it relates to heart surgery.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

It was indeed, which highlights his own personal juxtaposition between valuing scientific truth, but not valuing honesty so much

[@DoctorZisIN]

Joseph Smith in the Title Page to the Book of Mormon: "And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God..." So prophets can be mistaken, but God won't allow prophets to lead us stray? I guess that covers any possible objection.

[@gunnerlawts]

And I bet you object.

[@DoctorZisIN]

@@gunnerlawts More than objecting, I marvel at the human capacity to absorb BS in some things but not in others.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@DoctorZisIN You got a response and you or YT blocked it. What does that say about yoor ethics?

[@DoctorZisIN]

@@gunnerlawts If you mean your response, I replied.

[@gunnerlawts]

@@DoctorZisIN I mean my response to ". . . I marvel at the human capacity . . ." not to your original comments. It may be YT that has blocked it, but it went something like this (I didn't save it to MS Word) - I also marvel at the Christians who swallow the B...ess (to avoid YT algorithms) of the trinity - a crazy schizo MPD freak show that is both insane and impossible, with no saving power. I marvel that they can swallow all the guff in the cesletter when it has no reliable sources - comprised of questions to gossip and lies amassed over two centuries that have not been suitably addressed, and mainly formed after someone has died and can't defend themselves.

[@anamariamorton726]

Thanks Nemo!

[@CalledtoShare]

This was a pretty weak video. It would ne nice to have President Nelson on this one with you so he could respond. Pretty weak arguments. This isn't mean to be an attack or offensive, but if this video was presented in a court of law where there was a defense and a prosecution, where both sides could explain themselves, I think every point is one where we could all agree on. The plane - perhaps the government agency didn't keep a correct record that day (The government making a mistake? Pretty plausible) Shanghai Temple - An office in Shanghai said that isn't happening. OK. Do we know why they said that? We have no idea. You even mention that. Difficult to put a ton of weight on this comment. Temple requirements not changing - Again, OK, they have changed but is President Nelson lying and seeking to deceive when he was sharing, in my view, the principle that we need to be worthy and live chaste lives. In the context of what he was saying, living the law of chastity is still required - that's what he was talking about. Onward march of His truth - people complain all the time "the CHurCh CaRes TOO MucH aBoUt NumBerS". Perhaps he wasn't talking about numbers. You assume at first he was talking about numbers or money, but what if he was talking about the gospel being preached throughout the world at an accelerated rate. Many missions are teaching more than ever. Sure, those lessons might not be leading to baptism, but we are trying to move people closer to God and hearing the message is a great first step. Pandemic made ZOOM a household name and changed the face of missionary work FOREVER. Mormon word usage - Oh boy. Really? At the time, the use of Mormon was needed. Now it's a new day. There was a time for using the word, now the time has passed. What if Christ told President Nelson, "Russell, it's time to take the next step and focus on my name." You know he was not calling previous prophets Satan followers for doing something that, at the time, had meaningful purpose. But we evolve, we change, all part of the ongoing restoration. You are not the first to mention this "triggering" language about "a victory for Satan" but it's so silly to me. 2015 revelation - God gives us light for the next few steps, the we can gain more information and learn from our course of action. God doesn't gives us all of the pieces to the puzzle. He gives us one piece. Things were learned during those 3 years. Not everything that happened from that decision was bad. Good things were learned and good things happened. The whole idea of prophets leading us astray because a decision they made was later changed doesn't make sense to me. Things are learned along the way and people are tested. Perhaps people's faith was being tired. Now why would God have a prophet do that? Because God does that some times. 3 Nephi 26:9-11 Overall, not a well done video. I wish you had presented both sides to the issue. It sounds like you are trying to label President Nelson as a liar with very weak examples to support an untrue argument. As I said before, I hope you get to chat with President Nelson in his office one day and you guys can review this video and he can explain it all to you so you both come to an understanding. Have a great week! Hope the weather is better in the UK than it is in Utah. It's been sweltering over here.

[@gunnerlawts]

It's called straining at gnats.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I'd love the chance to sit with President Nelson and ask him about these, and I'd be very happy to hear his explanations and happily concede to reasonable explanations. Goodness, I'd settle for a phone call! If you or anyone you know could set that up, drop me a line: [e-mail]

[@toddlarkin2990]

Wow I've been out so long I didn't know they revoked it

[@freedomfriday2.040]

Still waiting for Nemo to do a structured debate! Come one Nemo! You and Thoughtful Faith! Let’s go!

[@TwoTreesVisuals]

Great video.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@cloudex8127]

Love the intro! I can tell it was inspired by god 🥺 hahahaha

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Hahaha!

[@andrewbrown7564]

What the hell is that scene with Rusty and those kids?? That’s straight weird!!!

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

I've done a full video on that interaction, it was very creepy! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fF6nh4mZa9xrqdU

[@gunnerlawts]

@@NEMOTHEMORMON That's self- promotion that gets you more cash. If multiple people read this, you ought to give the answer in the comment. By posting a link to YOUR site (you could link to others, but that doesn't pay you), you get the possibility of large rewards in your KZbin paydays. Mike Winger does this at every opportunity.