How to tune PIDs

[@SergeantRichGolfing]

I'd say this is by far one of the best videos on PID tuning out there. You and Sed nailed this one! I'm sure a lot of us guys have struggled with tuning merely because we can't "see" to understand what right or wrong looks like. For example,, I never really seen how the "Integral" should be tuned. So, when you actually started tuning the "I" and explained how it should not drift and most importantly you made the quad bank and hold its line. Being able to see and have a visual defiantly helps. I'm man enough to admit that I didn't learn to tune PID the right way. Hell,, I just started punching numbers in,, not really understanding the input nor output. I do believe any newbie would appreciate the way you guys explained this tuning process and how important it is to stay on order,,, P first, then I, then the D last if necessary. So,,,, A lot of us guys look at your videos and most other better pilots videos and say "man I wish I could fly like that". This is not easy by far and it's defiantly a crawl to walk process. So, I appreciate and respect how you go out the way with these tutorial videos that may help upcoming pilots get to your level. Sad to say,, most other pilots don't give out their secrets to success. We just look at their amazing videos and is left wondering how in the hell they are able to do what they do. In doing that,,, a newbie will get into this hobby trying to fly and wanting to instantly fly like a pro. and of course teaching themselves bad habits which are hard to break. I'm trying to soak up all the knowledge I can now,, stuff I'd wish was knew before I put these goggles on. But,, when you're new all you want to do is fly,,,,, and learn the hard way. lol. It's a lot more I need to learn,, or secrets from better pilots. For example,,, how do you guys have your radio set up? I don't think it just stops at how you guys rigs are setup that make you fly so awesome. I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with your radio set up too. For example,,, do you have throttle curve set up different from stock?,, dual rates?, if you run taranis do you have any weight settings? I watch guys stick cam videos and wonder how guys be at or over mid throttle,, but their rig be close to he ground,, over low enough for gates. If I'm at mid throttle,, my rig is damn near going over a two story building,, lol. Just some things I'm interested on learning or hearing about. Again,,, Great videos guys and Thanks

[@Skyfaux]

agreed!

[@adamrroper]

Thomas Richardson: I'm still learning like you are and often find myself much higher up than I meant to be. One thing to keep in mind is that these guys probably have their camera tilted quite a bit more than beginners do, to the point where the roll axis is used more heavily for steering. When the camera angle is very steep, the throttle pulls you forward instead of up. We have to learn the basics, then start tilting the camera more. Each time you tilt the camera more, the combination of yaw and roll changes for turning and the throttle pulls you more and more in the forward direction instead of up.

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

Thomas Richardson if you watch kevin aka stingerswarms tuning vid, he does this los and it seems MUCH more practical and allows u to see the results big time.. no love lost to flight club just saying maybe check out stingys approach, and there is no one perfect way to do this, well there is but requires Black Box logs and a lot of additional learning and information. For us piolets combining the methods from your favorite videos should help you get the best results the more information you have the better right? :) keep ripping!!

[@kingyfpv4787]

Thanks guys been trying to understand pids for ages now I'm a freestyle pilot that wanted to try racing but couldn't tune because watching other youtubers didn't make it clear enough. And now I'm hitting gates and getting better day by day thanks to you two. Keep up the good work on channel and racing. Happy flying people and thanks again huge help to all

[@FPRDAN]

I have watched so many pid tuning videos and this is by far one of the best I have seen, if not the best for racers.

[@hdsinner]

I've watched a lot of PID tuning vids and in your 2min explanation I understand now more than I have before.

[@BadChizzle]

Great job, guys! As a beginner, I felt this was much easier to grasp than many KZbin instruction videos. Thanks for the help.

[@jessegibb1182]

I purchased my QAV 250 kit from FlightClub almost a year ago (after stumbling into FPV on KZbin) and really appreciate all that you are doing for us new guys. I looked at getfpv.com and was about to order their kit when I found the "How to build a QAV 250 video on KZbin and decided to go all in with your setup. Sadly its not built yet! (two kids under 4 and both full time working parents)I am at the last stage of my build as of last night and super excited and also nervious about the first LOS flight to test how it flies. This tutorial helped me a lot in understanding the process and the knowlede behind what I'll be trying to get this quad to feel like in the air.Thanks for the time and effort that goes into these videos!

[@FlightClubFPV]

thanks Jesse!

[@jessegibb1182]

Maiden flight yesterday!! Figured out that my f4rii is not Failsafe setup yet! glad that didnt end badly. read all about having to set failsafe and did in cleanflight but... did not know about the receiver failsafe until after my experience. It rained after my flight and today again so have to wait for grass to dry.

[@6rilllir6]

great "how to" ! I'm sure other videos I've watched, about PID tuning, are still helping me appreciate what you guys are showing us here. Thanks!

[@tcub1954]

Thanks Ivan and Sedrick!! Used this video to tune by Tokio X and Tokio SX. Both were flying great....now both flying OUTSTANDING!! Good job guys!

[@FlightClubFPV]

thanks troy!

[@adolforamirez4939]

Hey guys, I just came across this vid looking for videos on how to tune your Kwad. I am from the Dominican Republic and I am pretty new to FPV and flying race and freestyle quads. I have seen tenths of vids from Mr Steel, Bardwell and many others. I have to say that this is the most detailed one of all I`ve seen. Thank you very much, very helpful.

[@j.finesseflights1403]

Two thumbs up!! You guys F-N killed it!! I'm a newbie with a X210 and I took away like I wasn't running the gopro and I never knew it could fly like it!! Locked in! When I give it attitude it stays right wherever I put it!! I'm not so scared to play with the pids now!! This video is the best yet!!, I'm gonna try tuning my 6" wizard now!!

[@hkd991]

The adventures of Mr. SedHendo and Mr. EnvyAstro. Keep it up!

[@imignap]

This is actually a legit tutorial!! I think a seasoned pilot along with fresh pilot questioning you as you go was a great combo! Nice job! Especially on the RC Rates!

[@FlightClubFPV]

thanks nathan!

[@cameronjacobs3144]

thank you so much for this video, I've watched about every pid tuning video I could find & I could never really rap my head around it but you guys did this video in a way that helped me get a much better understanding about pid tuning so thanks again & love the vids keep it up

[@Maxf-ll3nl]

Thank you guys i have looked all over for a vid on how to do this and y'all explained it the best. Thank you again for the flight footage and explanation that i can understand.

[@ADHD_RC]

Hey bro nice vid very well detailed i wanna ask you a lil something when i punch out i think my rear right motor is dipping or not keeping up so on punch straight up it dips at the rear

[@ssk9645]

The best PID tuning tutorial i have seen so far. Like the way you explain what quad does for each P-I-D...great video... thanks SUBSCRIBED & LIKED

[@OffsetFPV]

this was a really good tuning video, really enjoyed it. thanks for the upload Evny, appreciate your time.

[@jaybirdfpv5034]

Thanks a bunch guys. Just retuned from what I learnt from this, and ended up with way higher p than I thought. But wow what a difference. Then tried your rates, with each profile with a higher super rate. I gotta tell ya, huge leap in confidence now. More predictable, and now I'm wiling to try a lot more. Awsome video. Thanks again.

[@OzFPVflyer]

Great video guys and will probably end up being one of the definitive guides to pid tuning on youtube. Ive now put Betaflight on my Kiss FC which is in a new build using a Skitzo clone frame and setup all I need to do in BF for my first test and tuning flights using this video as a guide. The upgrade from Kiss firmware to BF was super easy and went without a hitch. Ill post back here in the next few days to let everyone know how it flys and tuning results. Subbed.

[@OzFPVflyer]

After using this video as a guide to tune my Kiss FC with BF I then changed the filter settings from Joshua Bardwells video on how to eliminate prop wash for good Im pleased to say that my quad flying as if it's on rails and even performs so much better in wind. The only step I didn't do (as i didn't feel that the quad needed it) was the last step in Bardwells video. I'm loving my Kiss fc again. As a footnote - you should lower your D's if your playing around with filter settings per Barwells video. So for example if your changing the filter settings lower your D's to say 18 to 20 and tune from there but you should find your D's will sit around 24 ish with filters off. Any higher and you run the risk of very hot motors or even smoking them and if you do this and include the last step in barwells video you probably will smoke your motors. Tread carefully...lol

[@yudaanggoro9607]

Thanks for the video guys! The way you guys presented it was practical yet quite in depth.. i learned a lot

[@13strikeasnare]

Thank you guys for making this video! It really made me think of my rate sensitivity for high speed. This helped a ton , seriously thanks

[@vektr6278]

Very good info, this definitely helps out pilots improve themselves. The rates explanation really gave me a new insight, will try it out.

[@jasonrouse9749]

Best tuning vid I've seen IMO. Thanks lads!!

[@zacharybrasseaux4264]

very informational video guys thanks probably one of the better pids tuning video out there keep it up guys

[@hanfpv3093]

I have seen so many different pid tuning video's on youtube.. and all of them are kinda different, but also the same in some sort.. which made it verry hard to actiually pick one over the other, and that kept me from even doing the whole tuning part at all.. but this is gold! straight to the point and verry speciffic! And i will now finally give it a try! the rates part was verry usefull to! keep up the good work guys! your video's are awsome!!

[@FlightClubFPV]

thanks Han. Ivan made this video and I learned a lot too!

[@iAstro16]

Han Rinsampessy thank you very much don't forget to stop and sub on my channel:)

[@hanfpv3093]

EnvyAstro done:D!

[@brokenfpv4601]

Great intro to PID tuning. I've been avoiding this but now I think I'll make some adjustment. Thanks

[@ventureoutdoors648]

Thanks guys, this is almost making sense to me now. I received an rr5.. then changed to 6" arms ... needed to lower my pids because the motors were getting warm. I'm learning so this is valuable info. Cool

[@jarold1940]

This is what I’ve been looking for very helpful and easy to understand.... I hope you make some more video about PID tuning... Thanks.. :-)

[@Geneuwin]

Great tutorial for enlightening novices like.myself on tuning their racing quads and freestyle game, as well. Great job guys!

[@TheViViThai]

thanks for a simple and detailed tutorial on pid tuning!

[@okelleyappraisals]

Awesome video! I would like to hear more about the process of flashing BF to KISS FC.

[@BAJAFLATOUT]

I deffenetly learned something with this pid tuning video great job guys 👍😆

[@DarkAnima270]

D Setpoint weight and D Setpoint transition, nobody talks about them and the few videos there are on YT didn't help me to complete understand what's going on on those value, for example: Should i tune first my quad and then start messing around with D setpoint or viceversa? And how they work? Because betaflight gives a little info on that and it's not easy to understand at first when you start tuning your quad. Magnific Explanation guys i'll be following you, sub earned!

[@FPVish]

Dimelo, could you do a video on how to tune Rates?

[@kenmartinnyphotography]

Great Job Explaining!!! Best video out on PID Tunning!

[@OffsetFPV]

why don't you use the vbat compensation for your PIDS? or do you do that now? wonder why not back then tho?

[@haledroid]

Awesome pid tuning vid! Thanks. Also you can screen shot on mac with Shift+Command+4

[@Mcdonaldt001]

So excited to build my Tokio SX, I can hardly stop looking at it. But Colorado vacation comes first 😉

[@clemco6]

Well done! Excellent videos on pids for Racing.

[@kumokraft]

Great video! Thanks for the insight, I'm pretty close to your rates too!

[@Plur307]

Blackbox telemetry logging makes tuning so much easier. You can see oscillations in the gyro readings that are too small to see or hear. It helps you get that last 5% and make the tune perfect. It also removes all confusion as to which axis is having the oscillation. And my favorite thing about blackbox is you can see if one motor is having to work a little harder than the others and needs to be replaced/cleaned/new bearings etc. There is no real way you could know one motor is producing 10% less thrust than the others without blackbox.

[@akshatmodi4843]

I'll be damned if someone dislikes this video, cause man this is by far the best video on PID tuning , gr8 job guys ... U guys just took the crown man, awesome job and nicely done guys ... U guys rocked and rulled 😀😀😀😀

[@alexdalton7290]

I've heard mr Steele say tpa is the percentage of decrease of pids ex. .15 pids taper off 15 percent until full throttle

[@brokenfpv4601]

This is the best tuning video out there. Thank you! I'm tuning a perfect x frame. Should my roll and pitch be closer to each other or the same?

[@Ozem_Israel]

wow that was great, this is the final form of tunning video.

[@jimd8490]

I have a Proton skeleton with a Hyperlite F4 FC, Spedix 4-in-1, xm+, unify pro, HQ v1S props, and the new F40 2600kv motors (same as yours). I''ve lowered my P gains significantly from stock but cant get rid of (very audible) constant oscillations from just flying anything past mid-throttle. I raised my TPA to 25% but that seems to have no effect. Seems like something else might be wrong....

[@michaelpetale6872]

Brilliant guys well explained! Love how you thoroughly and precisely debug the problems with the data you get back from flying and then you correct any probs! Wow love it guys! I'm going out to do mmm roughly the same as you advice! Thanks and please keep up this valuable vids !😜😜🍾👍👨🏻‍✈️

[@alduds808]

great vid and awesome flying. quick question, is it a good idea to tune on really windy day?

[@michaelpetale6872]

This is great advice guys appreciate your patience and time to teach the wannabes and noobs!👍🏻😀👏🍾

[@gitech7450]

Awesome! I can't wait to get my Tokio SX! Tnx! :D

[@spence7022]

Phenomenal tutorial, thank you! Where we can pick up the Tokio cowling with the GP Session integration?

[@FlightClubFPV]

thanks! you can get them here: store.fpv-flightclub.com/products.php?product=Tokio-GoPro-Session-Canopy

[@TheGraysPTGC]

Love the content! Hoping for some advice.... brand new chameleon build. Flies perfect better than any other quad I have except during take off for the first few seconds low to mid throttle the first 10-20 ft in the air it whobbles pretty good. I went through took off all filters through dynamic filter and flies even better except that initial whobble. Any suggestions?

[@llewellyngrace4781]

looks like he's using connex. can this frame fit a connex tx?. either way I'm getting one

[@MojoPapiFPV]

What's that little black rectangle on the back right arm sitting over your motor cables?

[@iAstro16]

MojoPapi FPV that's my transponder servo

[@shadowsfpv3561]

what are the pids without go pro???

[@pappaclutch3266]

Betaflight stock PIDs won’t work for a 2 inch right?

[@tomwoodtv8904]

wow thanks guys this vid is awsome and inspiring i have a question i do not fly manual normaly in angel or horizon can i tune like this . i find manual results in more fixing than flying any advice please .keep up the good work.peace

[@danlatu209]

Great tuning video. I lost the great tune I had on betaflight 3.1.5 and now I have to retune. Do use antigravity? Any notch filters removed?

[@DangerDavefpv]

i have 5" alien with f40 pro 2306/2400 and i think ive got pids close close.. does it hurt that ive got d gains to 18 and reason why is at times i got that cricket noise on punch outs when was 20/22 so i took back down. betaflifht 3.1.6 as of now p= R47 P60 Y80 and I= R40 P50 Y45 and I= 18 PITCH/ROLL AND YAW 18 is this mild tune ? i like a snappy sounding quad and hear the p gains can help with that snappy sound . Omnibus f4 pro v3 flight controller

[@drwtrex]

Great tune video guys but you did not say why betaflight over kiss ??

[@ofiasdfnosdf]

Could you explain more about the issue with the kiss firmware? I just got done replacing every component in my quad trying to figure out why I was getting intermittent dips. I finally rolled back the firmware on my kiss ESC's and I think that fixed it, but now I'm skeptical of Kiss...

[@guitarsmotorcycles8606]

Flying Squirrel FPV you're a squirel you shouldn't by flying fpv silly :p

[@XxKaleiXx]

YAY I need as much pid tuning help as I can !!!!! Thanks!!!!

[@peteflyfpv8697]

this is probably a dumb question..but can tuning affect speed if not tuned right..???

[@caelfpv1148]

before hand, thx for the video. One suggestion for the future... the video recorded by the Gopro it doesnt show all the different oscillations. If you can attach the DVR video that will give us a better idea of what are you trying to fix. thx

[@iAstro16]

Cael FPV the DVR didn't really do that well either :(

[@pibrosnappam451]

What s your gyro and pid looptime ? Thanks

[@Maorifpv]

@FlightClub do you use Anti-gravity ?

[@benfong8608]

How do you tune yaw?

[@Rxpharmer2001]

Can you please explain why you put BF on the Kiss FC? Does it get rid of the mid throttle oscillations?

[@FlightClubFPV]

yes, that's one of the reasons we went with betaflight on the kiss boards. We were getting oscillations around 20% throttle no matter what the pids were. ivan has a video on this exact topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIOwZomNf5dlkKM

[@richgebhardt7960]

Nicely done guys a big help!

[@tahosrfr]

Have you changed to PT1 and removed the D Notch filter yet? If you have, feel any difference?

[@AdaptFPV]

That HD footage looks weird. What GoPro settings?

[@unknown-x-1777]

Hey I got a camera question for you. For racing what do you prefer 2.5mm or 2.1mm?

[@aliens99xx74]

Do u guys mess with any filters at all?

[@DavisDFPV]

Should talk about D setpoint weights as well. That can really improve a race quad's feel.

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

DavisDFPV I really feel like d was more or less skipped over? when it is very crucial as its proportional to your P gain? Or so i thought, and i wonder if there was a reason that they did not do I last? Thanks again, im trying to get a good tune on 4 blades n having a rough go at it, lot of good info but also I know that we all want to keep D-Low however wouldn't raising D a few points not have had the same as TPA or better?

[@cenabitednbfpv587]

I kinda feel like d was kinda skipped over, when it is very crucial as it's proportional to your P gain.. and was there was a reason that u guys did not do I last? Thanks again, im trying to get a good tune on 4 blades n having a rough go at it glad i found ur vid, lot of good info. AND I know that we all want to keep D-Low however wouldn't raising D a few points not have had the same effect as TPA or better? And no mention of notch filters? Again great video just raised a couple questions thanks guys #flightclub mad love..

[@blalien777]

Can someone tell me if it's possible to use BHeli Configurator/ Suite on a MacBook without wine?

[@FlightClubFPV]

without wine? i use mac and the bheli works fine

[@DashzRight]

Hi guys good video I can see that is worth using kiss fc with other escs, you achieve really good results!

[@michaelpetale6872]

Love your location guys, correct me if I'm wrong but is it your flight club area that you can fly your quads without getting any pOLICE PROBLEMS ETC?🤔👍

[@tmminichino9788]

Dope vid guys! keep up the great work

[@aliens99xx74]

How do u know if u have too much on the "i"

[@mrmurder75]

ezequiel lopes the quad will feel quite stiff. And if it's way too high you might see oscillating just like you do with too much p, but at a lower frequency (slower)

[@Andy_ABG]

where in dallas are you flying?

[@ernestfpv8540]

Amazing guys, finally someone who straigten things up! :) thanks :)

[@MasterHaunter]

Thanks for the great video. Quick question, you're tuning a stretch x frame with the GoPro on. I have a QAV210 with no GoPro, so I assume that your PIDs may be way off for me? What are your thoughts on this guys? Thanks and Blue Skies...

[@TheNigeb]

wow guys another great video, I'm gonna retune my racer now 4 sho!! 😎👊

[@turbojoe2623]

thanks for the vid guys, super helpful!

[@Ben-311]

Thanks guys, very helpful!

[@jamiearmitage2002]

Great video guys! Newbie here would you say racers need a different pid tune to the freestyle boys. There's loads about freestyle but nothing about the race side of things.

[@iAstro16]

Jamie Armitage yes man totally different, racers don't get to picky with their tune.

[@robsycko]

Racers don't give away there edge or tuning pids.

[@JC-zg2id]

I think that first number in the TPA has to do with the percentage of the PID's you will be reducing at the specified throttle range. The second number is the actual throttle setpoint (1000-2000) that the TPA is turned on.

[@BertrandVanderBerg]

Thanks. Nicely explained.

[@swatadvisers]

great job...following ur channel for some time...no regrets man..

[@iAstro16]

JasonFPV make sure to follow mine too:)

[@toddspeck9415]

Great info.

[@Shoeboxchecklist]

what happened to the reasons why you went beta instead of kiss?

[@FlightClubFPV]

there were a lot of issues with rc 1.2 firmware with low throttle oscillations. no matter what we tried it wouldn't go away. flashing to betaflight fixed them all

[@DaytonaJim78]

thanks for the info! and time doing it!

[@Quintanater]

What's the build list?:)

[@FlightClubFPV]

it's in the description above

[@Quintanater]

Oh sorry sorry idk why I didn't look lol super badass video one of the best I've seen!

[@rwells242]

Great job and thanks.

[@guitarsmotorcycles8606]

Great job boys.

[@scole901]

good job guys

[@marcoseebauer]

Great vid man! 👍🔥😃

[@pnachtwey]

You are simply using trial and error. What are the units of the gain? The gains for each quad may be different.

[@tracythomasvision]

Good Stuff!! Keep it coming!