Flooded and Stuck WARN Winch. Why Did It Fail?

[@offthestreetsandinthecreek7294]

For a split second I thought it was Sunday 😆

[@grinderkenny]

Me too..

[@kristiankristiansen133]

Had me confused too😵‍💫👌

[@Mr3Charlie]

Threw me off too! No coffee yet and I had trouble figuring out what day it is today! 😂

[@timwilliams9443]

Yea me too

[@timwilliams9443]

😂😂😂

[@alainleblanc4031]

You are spoiling us Mustie with your mid-week video. Thank you!

[@joegilly1523]

Liked the Bob Ross plug ,happy little trees.

[@dryroasted5599]

Those motors were originally built as outboard starters for Mercury. Since then they have been appropriated for many outdoor low voltage applications. I rebuilt dozens when I worked in an automotive electrical shop. I don't believe they were ever meant to be water-tight. One thing you missed that might have improved its performance was cleaning the commutator surface (the part the brushes rub against.) Be sure to scrape out the grooves between the bars too. Good job getting it running.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Excellent sharing of knowledge! Thank you!

[@Chr.U.Cas1622]

Dear Dry roasted 👍👌👏 Exactly what I thought instantly too about cleaning out the grooves. Additionally a little/small kind of roof/cover wouldn't hurt either. Best regards, luck and health in particular.

[@SPAZTICCYTOPLASM]

Funny a marine starter isn't meant to be waterproof.

[@gispel7058]

What about putting a shower cap over it.

[@throttlebottle5906]

@ericerickson9328 try a local rebuild shop, assuming any still exist near you. if they do, it may be about as cheap to just have it rebuilt by them.

[@braxtonnelson7422]

It's such a treat to have a mid-week Mustie1 video pop up in the feed! I have repaired many items simply by taking them apart and cleaning and lubing them (if there are no broken pieces), and this was a perfect example of the concept! I've had people see what I am doing and saying, "aren't you afraid that you're going to break it?" Heck, it was already broken... how much worse can I make it?

[@ForfeMac]

Yep, always figured if it was broken anyways, I had nothing to lose, and everything to gain, might as well give it a shot. Worst case it ends up in the NFG pile, but if it was destined for the scrapyard anyways...

[@artemartem1134]

Mustie I've said it before and I'll say it again, I wish more people were like you and fixed what they had rather than threw it away and bought new. We are a dying breed. Combine that with crap being made cheaper and not very fixable and the world is quickly going to crap. Thanks for the videos!

[@kman-mi7su]

Well put, I fix what I have first or attempt to before I buy a new or used one. If I fail, or after I take it apart I find it is beyond repair, at least I've learned something in the process. Life is learning.

[@mountainjeff]

Lest we be called "hoarders". Gasp. I bet there are few of us who have as much junk, er, inventory, as Mustie, although most of us don't actually go out hunting for it either. 🙂 Agree, try to fix first. That epoxy stuff is awesome!

[@billhenry7833]

Mustie actually makes money from views. For the rest of us, throw it away and buy new. Life is too short. Time is money.

[@TechGorilla1987]

There are many joys in life. One is waking up to a Mustie1 video on a Wednesday morning with a huge cup of coffee!

[@RRRIBEYE]

I'm the same and going, *"BONUS SCORE!"* This is going to be a good day!

[@pinwizz69]

This is a pleasent and unusual surprise. A mid-week Mustie1 episode and no carberator is involved. Definitely made my morning awesome.

[@eugenioarpayoglou]

Word

[@montrocon]

Your spoiling us this week Mustie!!

[@cynturner906]

Very cool midweek video Mustie1. Thanks

[@pcuser80]

Wow what a feast A midweek Mustie1 video So good. Extra coffee and snacks on midweek.

[@hyabussa5747]

Thanks for the Wednesday show, Mustie1!

[@noads1035]

A treat to have a mid week show, thanks! And yes, the label was on top when you started. (Grin)

[@BobbyWard]

Bonus videos are great... thanks Mustie!

[@DoRC]

Sintered bronze also known as oilight bushings are basically just porous bronze material. They are usually pre-soaked in a lubricant from the factory but reoiling them is not a problem. It just soaks in and becomes lubricant for the bearing.

[@TechGorilla1987]

When I fix small fans, I take the bushings, submerge them in light oil and put under vacuum for a little bit. That may not do a thing, but I feel better.

[@DoRC]

@@TechGorilla1987 Yeah it actually should work. I have soaked plenty of oil light bushings in various different oils with good results. Even without a vacuum capillary action should pull the oil into the bushing.

[@luuk-out-below9804]

If its not egged out, should get another 40 years out of it !😃

[@DoRC]

@@luuk-out-below9804 Yeah especially with how little that bearing is getting used it'll probably last forever.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Excellent sharing of knowledge! Thank you!

[@marksmithson1414]

Darren I just appreciate the way you include us in your videos like we are there with you. This was a very interesting video on the inter workings of the inside of a winch. The step by step process you show helps others who have the same problem.

[@markpeterson5479]

When you were wire brushing the armature and held it by the ends to let it spin, I had a big, big smile and the smiley thought, "You are having too much fun! 😄😄😄😄😄😄" came to my mind. I would have done the same thing and enjoyed it myself!!!

[@SkaterStimm]

awesome, it just shows how a little bit a cleaning can fix most things. We live in a throw away society and that would have been tossed by most people. Yes I know most people don't have Dremel kits, or tools or a work space or a scotch pad, but this is why in the past we had repair places all over, now they are very rare.

[@philbartoli2011]

I think/hope that will change a bit when everything is prohibitively expensive new thanks to inflation. This channel and Mike the scavenger really highlights how much waste there is..

[@SkaterStimm]

@@philbartoli2011 people are doing more when it comes to picking good products based on reviews, but even with inflation most people don't have the tools to fix things.

[@MGower4465]

Part of the problem is the repair shops charge such a high labor rate, and you gotta search a lot to find one with competent people working on stuff and honest management that bills only for time actually put in on the job. A couple of rounds with bad repairs that cost a couple hundred each can sour a person on fixing stuff. Even if you manage to get your money back, eventually, the whole hassle is a bad experience.

[@SkaterStimm]

@@MGower4465 very true. It is expensive because the machine also might need to be stored at their place in work bins (taken apart with screw management) while parts are being ordered. It isn't always fast, even mustie has to order quite a bit of parts.

[@1pcfred]

To stand a chance of running an electric motor has to spin freely. Once they get up and going they develop torque. Some motors are designed to break free under load. The compressor duty motors etc. All are not going to like being bound up and seized.

[@BensSightSoundandAuto]

Rebuilt hundreds of these motors as an auto electrician apprentice for bulk haul semi trailer tarp drive systems (the tarps that cover the top of the trailer tipper bodies that prevent the sand/soil/aggregate flying out). Definitely oil the rear bush (I generally filled the bush, and then using my thumb I pressed to try and impregnate the bronze with oil, then got rid of the excess) and spray the brushes and brush-box with a light coat of WD-40, helps prevent the brushes sticking and also good for repelling moisture. Check the brush springs to make sure they aren't rusted. Also used to pop the armature in the lathe and either give the commutator a quick linish or a light cut if it was worn, and then undercut the segments. Also be sure to give the magnets a good shove to make sure they haven't come off, often had to re-glue them. Then I would use some neutral cure silicone to seal the end cap to the body and the body of the motor to the tarp drive gearbox. We also had a plate made up to close up the motor and locate the drive end for testing. Mercury outboards used that style motor as a starter motor as well so that can be a handy source for parts.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Excellent sharing of knowledge! Thank you!

[@djmips]

What type of glue did you use when you needed to re-attach the magnets?

[@BensSightSoundandAuto]

@@djmips It was a Loctite product I remember that, can't remember which one ill see if I can find out. An epoxy like Araldite would likely work fine however. Then I would spray the inside of the motor housing with a red electrical insulating paint, the name of which eludes me as well, this was well over 10 years ago now, however many brands of insulating lacquer are readily available.

[@Breakrite]

When the Dremel brush went full bloom, I spit my coffee! Made my morning.

[@TechGorilla1987]

@8:57 - That is the story of my life when it comes to Dremel accessories. They last about 1.5 minutes before rapidly self-destructing.

[@staticfanatic6361]

Apply super glue to the hub of the brushes for a longer life.

[@deriusnorris4463]

Yuuuup

[@SimonHollandfilms]

good fix....the winch seems well made...and it comes apart.

[@TallGamer111]

I'm liking the mid week mustie . 😊

[@eskimojulie]

Glad it works but definitely at the start the label was at the top 😊

[@djmips]

Guess it works both orientations.

[@YukonHawk1]

Awesome surprise this morning. Sharing a cup of coffee with Mustie. Thanks man.

[@bcgrittner8076]

Our shop sold winches of various brand names. I never heard a complaint about a Warn winch. Then again, I never dealt with a customer who owned a Warn winch for 46 years.

[@1pcfred]

Makes you think a winch stored outdoors might benefit by being covered.

[@stubstoo6331]

I had eight thousand pound one from the mid seventies sold it about eight years ago with the truck never had a problem with it.

[@abdriver5563]

I could watch you fix a box of tooth picks . lol Thanks for the video .

[@gbestwick]

A quick suggestion for you for next time. (As if there won't be a next time doing something like this... 😁) A quick soak in something like CLR, (or your favorite de-scaling product) and then a short dip in something basic, like baking soda and water, or weak sodium hydroxide, will do wonders for getting all the hidden crud out.

[@darrellbedford4857]

I am glad you finially repaired something that is yours and not pulled from the scrap pile. Very enjoyable video.

[@gtrplr778]

That was a good repair, it seemed workable. A thorough cleaning, and back in business. Good job.

[@davidthomits544]

Great to see a mustie video always look forward to them on Sunday

[@danf4616]

A midweek Mustie?? Yes!! Thanks for the videos. 👍👍

[@deebee3901]

Great repair of an old winch! When someone fixes and uses an old item (1977) that is proper "circular economics". Thanks for the mid week video mate! I'm hoping the grease keeps the water out - let us know in 12 months.

[@kllisk]

I use STP Oil treatment for sleeve bearings, should also run a pick between the segments the brushes run on.

[@stevem268]

you could try glueing the broken brush together using JB Weld. it's an epoxy glue with iron powder added and will conduct electricity. i did just that for a very old repulse induction motor, they use brushes and a commutator for starting. the motor is still in regular service and starts perfectly after maybe 5 years. it's a 4 hp 240 volt and powers my thickness planer

[@jostouw4366]

Superglue is quicker and also works.

[@captnmike597]

I never would have realized that I lost power on the cable spool as it wound onto the drum. Thank you for explaining it so perfectly that even I could understand the concept.

[@ritchiesokol1061]

Mustie 1 thank you. You made my mid- week.

[@michaelzimmerman6012]

Mustie never stops to amaze me. I believe he could make a dead tree grow like new again

[@edwarddoyle9231]

Hi, as you have it running now - put a cover shield over the winch that will help to protect it from the weather & extend it’s life. Ed,

[@andrew5792]

Mustie, For small bottle brushes I have phosphor bronze brushes used for cleaning rifles. Grab a selection of sizes from .22 Cal through to 12 gauge shot gun. Really handy to have.

[@doyleb4826]

Watching Mustie1 is like having a one on one instructor. He finds the issues, explains what went wrong, how to fix it, and gets it going again. Great videos!! I learn a lot from watching his videos.

[@selador11]

I have always appreciated the fact that you recognize aluminum rust and call it what it is.

[@neilmorten6416]

My Sunday ritual is to start the day with a cp of tea and a mustie1 video. I took a day off work today, get up and find a new video! Fantastic, thank you.

[@AbcDef-iq4no]

I admire the fact that you took your time and figured out what was wrong with this old-school winch, instead of just chucking it in the trash and running down to China Freight and buying one that you would be lucky to get two years of use out of before it crapped out.

[@Bobbywolf64]

You can still buy a new warn winch to replace it (if he couldn't fix his old one). Although they are in the neighborhood of $4-500. People just see the price, opt for the $99 harbor freight special, then complain when it breaks that things aren't like they used to be. Good stuff is still out there, you just need to be willing to pay for it.

[@ellisc.foleyjr9778]

Great how to video, sometimes its just a cleaning. I agree with "Dry Roasted" cleaning the communtaors and the grooves (called Mica build-up) it will keep each segment of the commentator from working in proper sequence for alternation etc. against the fields. thanks for sharing! ECF

[@eskieman3948]

Mustie, that was a very good explanation about cable reel diameters & the winch's capability to pull heavy loads (22:45). Never thought about that before, but it now makes perfect sense. Thanks!

[@lightwiz267]

Great video. But as someone who drives a rescue vehicle i would offer one piece of advice. ALWAYS place a blanket over the cable when pulling. I have seen those snap and destroy everything. Plus hurt people. The moving blankets from harbor freight work great.

[@mayorstoner3459]

And I thought today was gonna suck. Thanks for the Wednesday video Mustie!!

[@rods6405]

Good video! 4th I have watched this week where a electric motor or generator is stripped down and cleaned and lubed and lived again! You put it back on upside down! Also I would have glued that broken brush so at least it has the same shape and wear. Also a plastic cover or bag over the complete winch on the truck will keep the rain and snow out!

[@rundoetx]

Thanks for the mid week treat. Its much appreciated.

[@elsdp-4560]

Thank you for sharing. FAN-tastic mid-week video, very much enjoyed.👍

[@keshmo12]

Good video. I always recommend getting synthetic line for those winches because the metal cable frays and will cut you.

[@scottnyc6572]

Warn makes the best winches.I would’ve never guessed that it was from 1977.For second there i thought the front tire steering assembly was gonna bend or rip off.

[@robertjohns399]

thank you so much for the mid-week video bloody awesome can we plz have more videos and longer videos as here in Australia i look forward to getting your videos every Sunday night. and can't wait for your next video thankyou so much take care from Robert in Australia

[@Philc231]

What a great surprise 😊

[@reubencohen7097]

A great day with Mustie!

[@dan-o9746]

Looks exactly like the starter motor for my Mercury outboard. You should clean the commutator strips for the brushes. Go ahead and grease the bushings.

[@haydenc2742]

I wonder if a few hours in a hot sonic cleaner wouldn't have knocked all that poo off the stator and rotor (stator is a bit more resilient, so getting corrosion and pitting out with scotch brite was best)...and would have been somewhat more gentle than a wire wheel I wonder if a bead of gasket maker black and set for 30 min, would seal better than the grease, also make sure the gearbox is packed with grease Great job! Keep em coming!!!!

[@twocvbloke]

Light machine oils are good enough for bronze bearings, it gets into the pores of the metal, and then gets in between the shaft and bearing to make it all nice and smooth-running... :)

[@andrewrobinson4392]

Love the mid-week video. I'll be keeping my eye out for a video on that craftsman mower. If you get it running I might be interested in buying if you're looking to sell. I'm local. Thanks!

[@TechGorilla1987]

3 in 1 oil has become my go-to. I cleaned out 2 estates and have 8 bottles/cans.

[@curiouszquad]

Bonus content! I’m here for it!

[@markbrown6236]

Thanks for the bonus video. I was giving you a 25% chance of fixing that winch, but you came through clutch.

[@lts0113]

So, a silicon bronze oil impregnated bushing, whether to add a light oil. The question answers itself. Lube. Mustie1 mid week is a treat by itself. Thank you for sharing. My ultimate compliment, is, after years of watching, and I truly believe this, if you wanted to, you could push a rope...

[@tlo8646]

Bonus video, nice!

[@tonywall8991]

I was fixing an electric pump that went through the 2013 floods in Australia years ago. I got it going a couple of times, only to have it seize up again after it sat for a week or so. The last time I pulled it apart, I cleaned it up again and smeared grease all through it and wiped it off again. That pump is still going today and as good as new.

[@SlartiMarvinbartfast]

Mustie, looking at the start of the video you installed the motor upside down at the end. 🙂 Still, it works so no big deal. Nice fix!

[@jeffsnodgrass9747]

Gotta love a mid week video!! Great save there in only about 30 minutes of work.

[@ndafarachaitezvi1139]

Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

[@williamwilliams7706]

Nice save. I relube those bearings in B&G pumps and other sintered sleeve bearings with Zoom spout or 3 in 1 oil. Thay've been my go to's for decades. RTV blue or black gasket maker to seal the endcaps maybe?

[@jeeaaenlourens1434]

Always nice to see some maintenance/renovation stuff on your channel. I was about going upstairs to call it the day but Mustie1 Always comes first. Thanks for the added Wednesday video. Greetings from Jakarta Indonesia 😂😂😅😅

[@TDOBrandano]

The best way I found so far to remove the last few iron filings from a strong magnet is to use some kneadable rubber eraser, chewing gum or sticky tape.

[@gonehometoacadia3139]

Thanks for the comment! I've been looking for a fix for this problem myself.

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Kneadable eraser. Wow, brings back memories of the days of my drafting classes and that funky smell 😄👍🏻

[@dagorithe]

Love it, meaning the video content. I found an old winch I think from harbor freight that looks like in that condition. Now I have hope I may be able to get it running (after a long list of more important projects).

[@vzjtothalo1]

The Wednesday quickies are always great!

[@carlkerkman7028]

Thanks, perfect timing for me as the winch on our tractor has almost given up the ghost and we need it to help harvest some firewood.

[@prezzzrock]

Really like the mid-week short videos. Keep 'em coming. Sort of a primer for Sunday mornings!!

[@jbrizz99]

I use Amsoil HDMP inside the winch and starter motor in my 4wd. Water always gets in, "waterproof" or not, but the HDMP dries like an oily wax and prevents corrosion and stuck brushes.

[@SteveMelissaMcAdams]

Glad to see a mid-week video! Sometimes it sucks having to wait until Sunday

[@josephcormier5974]

Cool I have three of those now I have a good idea on how to fix them thank you for sharing this six stars brother

[@five0pd310]

Awesome change of pace!! Thanks for the video.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Brass/bronze bore brushes (used for cleaning firearms barrels) are available in many sizes. A .45 brush in the chuck of a hand drill is perfect for motor bushings like that one. Use SAE30 oil as a lubricant on the brush. A cleaner/solvent (WD40, etc.) will wash out the lube in the sintered bronze bushing.

[@1pcfred]

Methinks the oil washed out of that bushing long ago. You can actually put them in oil under a vacuum and reoil them that way. The vacuum will suck all of the air out and it'll get replaced by oil.

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Non-detergent is a requirement. Also there is an HVAC oil for fan and blower motors. I have a bottle of Zoom Spout, all purpose oil just suited for this. 👍🏻💪😏

[@Chr.U.Cas1622]

Dear Mustie1 👍👌👏 Success. Please kindly allow me to suggest that you read the comment from "Dry roasted". It's exactly what I thought instantly too about cleaning out the grooves. Additionally a little/small kind of roof/cover wouldn't hurt either. Best regards, luck and health in particular.

[@tomp5377]

Built in 1977? Too bad it wasn't built in 1976, that was a much better year to start in! 😊 nice fix, thanks for the vid!

[@vrnicastro6353]

Gotta love a mid week Mustie 👍🏽

[@derek763]

Make a cover or box to fit over the whole winch , that will really protect it from weather

[@brucepickess8097]

Sounds like a very logical good idea to me.👍😏🇬🇧

[@iandavid7730]

16:15 that should be your motto and plastered on merchandise. Such a good channel.

[@k1ckyscotland988]

What you need is another bottomless doctors case like you made for your VW pick up. Bonus misweek video,great stuff.

[@mortneff4674]

The Red paper label was facing up when you took it apart, I think when you rotated it again and put it back on you alained the Brush that snapped better and that why it started working. Either way, it works again!

[@Brendonsanya]

The new camera is awesome 😍😍😍 Love your videos man, long time fan here

[@kevinhaley6776]

Always good to see a new mid week how to

[@chriskoran836]

Well THIS was unexpected! Got busy on Sunday and didn't watch the DR Wagon until this morning. Literally finish it up and boom - another video!

[@billwhite5188]

Darren. Hi from N Ontario. I sold and still use Premier Fastners penalube. Flows into small crevaces like water. Sets up as a light lube. And yes the brushes need tk be cleanwd with electrical contact spray or brake cleaner.

[@billyhaddock5540]

Congrats Mustie1 on redoing ur old Warn Winch. Ur riding mowers will thank you.

[@funkysod]

Thanks for taking the time to put the camera on!

[@Backupnow-gf7wb]

Great job as always 👍

[@thegreenman2030]

I enjoyed this and learned something new about how winches work. Thanks!

[@johnosborne9912]

I really enjoy your videos.

[@anthonycarty9433]

A nice little win , spent a few minutes and saved a few quid . To help prevent the problem reoccurring how about a cover of some sort . A piece of half round gutter ? The mighty Mustie prevails again .

[@rubenfranco9046]

Can we just stop and appreciate the fact this man used a rachet wrench. So many folks these days use an electric impact or cordless ratchet. Not that they aren't useful, but I do enjoy using my hand tools.✌️

[@JDevine687]

It's too late to have coffee, but midweek uploads are always a treat!

[@greybush1079]

Yeah Nice to see one your videos during the week !!!! Its fun when Sunday comes twice a Week !!!!