Why Speedrunners Hate Gears 3

[@Flurby]

Perhaps I didn't explain something well enough because a lot of comments are completely missing the point: Gears 3 is overwhelmingly boring and there is nothing to spice it up. It doesn't actually matter if there are occasional glitches or not. There would still be over an hour of completely dead time and numerous boring fights along the way. That is the true core of the issue.

[@liambrooks20]

It wasn't made to be speedrun! It's a amazing game with a strong story and to give up on the story by number 3 would be pointless, The build up to Doms death and the scene itself is one of the best moments in gaming ever, Gears ain't just a game it's a beautifully wrote story which nowadays most games don't even bother to do, more arsed about how much they can make on micro purchasing

[@Flurby]

Well said. And it is certainly possible to simultaneously be a good game and a bad speedrun. 🙂

[@liambrooks20]

@Flurby thank you for the replies and for not making it out like I was arguing it wasn't my intention, It came from an old school gamer who grew up on campaigns/single player...devs are scared to make a solid game franchise that is story first multiplayer second, seems to making a comeback though...Thank God for Resident Evil Remakes and definitely Doom 2016 and Etneral making single player relevant again

[@lanceknightmare]

Speed-runners are divided between a dying breed of speed-runners which refuse to use glitches and manipulations. As well as the glitchers and manipulators. The leaderboards are so corrupt they allow for certain glitches and manipulations to be used. The legit players like myself have to directly compete with these cheaters. It is demoralizing when someone can start with an over 1 in 100 advantage every time. While legit players just have to use what they have. Getting lucky to have that same over 1 in 100 advantage. Which is unlikely to happen on a strong run.

[@jameswinslow8540]

That's why speed running is for losers.

[@spiderturtle5292]

I actually HIGHLY respect game devs that manage to have little to no skips or speedrunning tech in their game. It can be incredibly hard to design environments that robust so thoroughly, especially when you release it into the wide world full of people actively trying to break it. It's for this reason that it will never frustrate me. It's even to the point where I started to find the idea of a plausibly achievable "perfect" time for a game somewhat appealing. It's an unexpectedly satisfying feeling of working with the devs rather than against them.

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

And this game came out in 2011. I know that Speed Running has been around for a long time, clearly long enough for the Devs to know a lot of the ways people broke the champaign for the sake of speed running, but I don't know if it was BIG big enough for Devs to have as a forefront thought "Will my players use this to break my campaign?"

[@AhhSlickerz]

Despite Gears 2 having the best Campaign, it is still nowhere near Gears 3’s level. Gears 3 has the better multiplayer, gameplay, movement, weapon tuning, horde, maps and it had beast mode.

[@Snippyyy]

Gears 1 and 2 have better aspects, but I think gears 3 is the overall best

[@Monztxr]

Gears 1 multiplayer by far the greatest

[@AhhSlickerz]

@@Monztxr More like the second best, the Gnasher and movement in that game kinda sucks but it is still better than 2’s multiplayer.

[@Monztxr]

@@AhhSlickerz nah the slow strafe and not being able to pull away from wall bouncing made that game. Gears 3 was second best for me. Great maps, great new characters, power weapons and customisation. But the introduction of the sawed off and retro lancer fundamentally broke the multiplayer experience, for me anyway. Completely altered what was once a level playing field and killed the game.

[@AhhSlickerz]

@@Monztxr Not being able to slide cancel doesn’t even make that much of a difference, people act like it’s a giant game changer. The Sawed Off isn’t even tough to deal with.

[@BronzeFelix]

"Suck it speedrunners! Now stop speeding through our game and enjoy it. 😂😂" -Epic Games 2011

[@RusticRonnie]

Was was actually “How dare you say Gears 2 was unfinished… Ill give you finished”

[@KopperNeoman]

In short, softlocks aside, everything that makes GoW 3 such a great game also makes it a bad speed game.

[@Flurby]

That's a hilarious way to put it. You're def not wrong

[@yeetergriffin1586]

Gears 3 will hands down have the best ending in the franchise by far unless EDAY manages to be the best game of the franchise. Just when Marcus goes up to Myra and stabs her with Doms Knife and says “ feel that, that’s for Dom “ the amount of just YES screaming you feel is amazing I don’t know if we will ever get a better ending then that

[@elijahreed7839]

My sister refused to play after dom died 😂😂😂 it's been like 4 months and I can't convince her to pick it back up because she's so salty about her character dying😂😂😂

[@yeetergriffin1586]

Bro I almost quit playing Gears of War 2 and was gonna go sit in a closet and cry when they killed my precious baby Benjamin Carmine. Honestly only reason I hate the locusts

[@maxihdz]

@@yeetergriffin1586 benjamin carmine will always be my fav Gears character

[@FightCain]

Damn, they thought of everything huh? I thought Gears 3 was buggy at times because of the softlock but they really went out of their way to prevent unintentional glitches. Speed runners adapt to the game's flaws but there's hardly any flaws to take advantage of lol. Also did not know that there's a secret stamina meter in both 1 and 2 for roadie runs.

[@Flurby]

Stamina is just Gears 1/UE*. People usually don't know about it because it's campaign only

[@raphdude0931]

Not as many bugs but we still got a gears 3 video!

[@tvdvd8661]

Sounds like my kind of speedrun. Glitchless speedruns always the best

[@ultraelite143]

Agree

[@C6KSystem]

Never played a gears game in my entire life. Not sure how I ended up here but this video will suffice my need for the youtube and dinner combo.

[@DoomGuy-wd3oy]

YEESSSSS GEARS OF WAR 3 my favorite gears of war game

[@BrandonOfJapan]

Gears 3 is the best overall in terms of side modes, multiplayer, progression, gameplay etc... gears 2 has the best campaign and carries some of the horror atmosphere from thr first game. The first game has the best atmosphere and is one of the scariest mainstream fps's. Any one of them could be your favorite, but gears 3 is objectively the best.

[@alamuerte2011]

you summed up my way of thinking about the original trilogy.

[@bucciarati7766]

i put countless hours into gears 3 and i am STILL shocked at how aggressive the head bob is whenever i see this game again, about as enjoyable as motion blur

[@Flurby]

just a little time off and it can be pretty jarring 💯

[@lostarsonist]

Great video, running beast mode is more fun then the main game honestly, more challenge to it too

[@Flurby]

Beast Mode is so hype

[@Thedooooh]

For sure! Insane Beast Mode on Checkpoint was like the majority of my childhood lol

[@mudddddd]

Great vid! As much as Gears 3 is my favorite I enjoyed this write up on the speedrun. Will be watching the other vids you have on Gears

[@saturatedfats]

I love the way you structure and present your videos, glad someone makes these videos about Gears!

[@spikethewolf9869]

Would love to see videos for J, 4 and 5

[@GaryGamePlayer]

I've been waiting for this video!

[@johnmcconnell7052]

As for gears 5 trust me soft locking is very common I actually stopped playing because of it

[@Jiggy113]

As someone who played many days in the gears 5 campaign, I only soft locked twice.

[@johnmcconnell7052]

@Jiggy113 cool story bro. As someone who played the game multiple times different difficulties with players and solo about 85 percent of the time I either got a full on lock until restart or soft locks. I was playing on a high end desktop perhaps console is different.

[@Jiggy113]

@@johnmcconnell7052 i played on both PC and Xbox, mainly more on Xbox. Haven't soft locked on PC yet

[@johnmcconnell7052]

@Jiggy113 well that tells me it's likely a pc issue then but that being said gears 5 isn't worth really playing for a long time it's easy to burn out on even the multi-player isn't as enjoyable as say gears 3

[@Jiggy113]

@@johnmcconnell7052 I agree

[@furynvm]

Flurby with a banger as always.

[@Ovolukzzz]

Awesome video, loved theKH2 song reference, thank youi!

[@ravedagger]

I completely agree as a lifelong fan of the series especially the first and third. And a fan of speedruns it makes total sense why gears 3 is not an enjoyable game to speedrun

[@G10Gaming]

Really enjoyed the video :)

[@ultraelite143]

Who cares about speedrunners? I enjoyed this game for +300 hours on my Xbox 360 back them

[@FnRenner]

Not the brag you think that is. Who cares about you wasting 300 hours on a 3 hour game? Speed running takes skill and way more then 300 hours of practice.

[@ultraelite143]

@@FnRenner You know, i enjoyed this game Story, the beast mode, horde, coop with my friends. Its not only singleplayer, (but i finished storyline many times too). I never understood speedrunners, i get the concept behind it, just finish the game in shortest possible time, but you finding glitches, bugs or use so crazy movements. But i dont care, i play games to enjoy them.

[@furynvm]

@@ultraelite143 Who said the game was bad though, seems like you're taking offense to nothing man.

[@senpaisniper2796]

​@@FnRennerI don't know how that's trying to brag, the guy is just stating how much he played the game, its not exactly a lot but that's still quite a bit. And also by your logic who cares about a person spending 300+ hours speedrunning a game? Btw I love speedrunning.

[@wufflemuffin9197]

​@@FnRennerwasting 300 hours = doing something you don't find meaning in. If a person says they enjoyed that 300 hours experience then they did not waste his time

[@Theocracy-Enthusiast]

I love gears of war 3 man it brings back so many childhood memories

[@bdo333]

Im an outsider when it comes to Gears, but i was still engaged with this video. Good music choices too.

[@des6801]

Love the Kirby save room music

[@helygg8892]

A special place in gaming

[@greasedumpster9781]

i pray e day will be good, i miss this franchise so much and to me gears 1 - 3 marks a golden age of gaming for me, they are masterpieces of game design

[@CyberShink]

MAYBE, and i might be crazy saying this.......the game isnt made for speedruning

[@Flurby]

There are hardly any games that are literally MADE for speedrunning. It's usually driven by emergent gameplay that devs never intended. This is the case for basically any Mario or Zelda game, but look at those communities. People have to experiment and find out what's possible and what's not before calling it a good speedrun. For Gears 3, it turns out things are on the side of not and that's all the video is about.

[@n0tell10t5]

Damn, and all this time i've been ignoring those flaws in GoW 3! I did try to grind this game but one month of Gold was never enough to finish the grind :c

[@Orbrun]

This video feels like if an ign reviewer became a good speedrunner and decided to make a video on their favourite game.

[@rewsterfewd1226]

I remember when my bro and I discovered Skorge in pvp would get launched from the smoke grenade in Gow2, then it was patched, sadly

[@CdrChaos]

The only real issue with Gears of War 3 is the fact that most of the Onyx medals ONLY count kills in multiplayer. Imagine how much more fun Seriously 3.0 would be to unlock if you could run through the campaign and horde with friends to grind out the thousands of kills per weapon instead of having to farm them against bots or extra controllers. Gears of War 2 might have asked for 100,000 kills but every game mode counted toward it.

[@blackrose8418]

Even the slightest inconvenience for speedrunners is great news

[@chesez9]

The only time I had to reload the checkpoint is when a Theron spawned in the wall

[@Flurby]

Sounds like yet another issue that would end a good run 🙃

[@Jackdiddly1]

Ive always wondered "hey no more ragdolling nice updates. Wait cant vault over boomshield wtf." It now makes sense speedrunners

[@33gamestreet]

Really solid video! Great job!

[@FaithfuLly_]

god tier game

[@tyon4187]

in turn for less speed strats, we gained better wall cancelling, increasing the potential for cooler movement 🔥

[@TheNewGuy21]

What editing software did you use? And how did you learn it?

[@Flurby]

DaVinci Resolve (free version) and just practicing through making previous videos and watching occasional tutorials for when I want to learn something new in it. I also pay close attention to what I like or dislike in the editing of other people's videos and try to incorporate that. Having a clear vision of what you want the end result to look like helps focus the learning process 🤠

[@zingbanana]

why do you have two "copies" of each gears game?

[@Flurby]

They're international downloads so I can play in Japanese if I want to 🤠

[@sgtpaloogoo2811]

Never liked gears 3's campaign much. Hoarde and MP were the best in the franchise though

[@ProphetBT72]

I never really understood Speedrun like I can understand trying to beat the game as fast as possible, but shouldn’t a speed run be how fast someone can beat a game without breaking it so it shouldn’t really matter if the game can’t be broken because speed Runner should still be able to trying to beat the game as fast as they can through skills instead of just breaking things

[@Flurby]

In general, if you're able to consistently do a trick a few seconds faster than the next person, you're more skilled than them. When glitches become very predominant or start to trivialize the gameplay, that's when more popular games have created other categories for things like glitchless.

[@tankervalenzuela2959]

Just happy we got gears 3 idc if it's short

[@jayswrld4926]

So basically the games made too well for it’s time and is critically acclaimed but speed runners are upset at the fact you can’t bullshit the game and finding it “boring” when the so called “dead times” is meant to be there for dialogue for the story or to take in a scene of a new area, the games meant to be enjoyed not ran through.

[@mikec4390]

Why was it showing 2 copies of some of the games when you showed your installed games near the end of the video? There was nothing in parentheses when you moved the cursor between the Gears 3 icons either, so it doesn't seem to be a case of regional versions from what I can tell.

[@Flurby]

They're international downloads so I can play in Japanese if I want to 🤠

[@mikec4390]

@@Flurby That was my initial guess before you moved the cursor to show neither version of Gears 3 had "(JP)" on it. Which begs the question, how do you tell them apart if that's the case?

[@Flurby]

@@mikec4390 I just get it wrong half the time 😂

[@Killoer]

I can respect speedrunners, but Gears (atleast original 3) is an experience in itself

[@HiroVakarian]

Gears 3 was a perfect ending to a story just like how halo was a great ending for them both franchises peaked in the 3 entry

[@fxn09here]

The best thing about gears 3 is the beast mode

[@ICEDFIREZ]

The need to release a GoW: Fenix Collection with all the old games with new graphics like they did Halo

[@rkade1486]

When a game is too good of a game.

[@SleepyGameFacts]

Nice video

[@benjaminspringer3778]

I don't care about speed runners it's not created to speed run it's created to have fun

[@tvdvd8661]

6:53 >played for few weeks >Happened 2 times K

[@Flurby]

That one probably didn't make much sense without understanding the full context. 😅 The past few weeks I haven't only been playing Gears 3. I don't even play games everyday because of life. If someone were to do 10 runs per week that's over 30 hours, and realistically I cannot play even that much. Hopefully you can see that with such few runs being possible, to get the run killing health bug twice in this short time is actually quite significant. It would make grinding for a good time that much more frustrating.

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

Coggers the third ResidentSleeper

[@AffectionateBubbles-lj4sf]

Love the video

[@cristianinsogna1796]

i wanted to watch one of your lives on twitch but i m from italy so your lives are at 2 in the morning for me

[@Flurby]

Time zones are annoying, but I always leave my VODs up until they expire

[@DarkSoulsReject]

No, I am in YOUR walls!

[@Flurby]

NOOO GET OUT OF THERE 😱

[@anaussieplays763]

Almost half of High on Life speedrun is waiting around 🙃More than half of the run before some of the latter tech found

[@Flurby]

Sounds awful 😅

[@anaussieplays763]

@@Flurby It really was once the novelty wore off, no one runs any more

[@Adam-Alpha-Sans]

wish i could play gears of war 3 again

[@HOTTESTHERE]

Autoscroll sections suck even while not speedrunning, The softlocks are annoying and even on my first playthrough I encountered one, The invincibility animations have never been a fun mechanic in any game and obviously bugs suck. Outside of that all the gripes with the games speedrunnablitity are things that if "fixed" would make the game worse for the regular gamers.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

I LOVE Gears 3 Gears1>Gears3>>Gears2

[@Onimusashi85]

I'm going to start telling people that I'm "going to play Coggers".

[@HighasWuTang]

FINALLY GEARS 3 LFG!!

[@Malpais-Legate]

*Gears of war 4 laughing at the expense of the player with artificial difficulty*

[@themegagamer6086]

"Oh no I have to play the game as intended." . . . . . . . . . . Jokes aside dealing with auto scrolling, soft locks, and bugs are very annoying But there's a lot of speedruners that completely disregard glitchless and call games without glitches bad

[@macm5542]

Huh. I never encountered any of the bugs or problems you talked about

[@Flurby]

Some of them only happen when you try to optimize and execute well. Unless you're playing the game multiple times per week and learning the game at a precise level you're unlikely to experience problems. Tldr problems for speedrunners

[@ryzokusovai292]

never really understood the fascination with speedrunning a game i just see it as boring and think to myself whats the point in playing the game in the first place if ima just run through it as fast as possible all it really gives you at the end of the day is bragging rights lol.

[@DragonBallAxel]

Wait, Gears 3 is loved? The gameplay and everything related I totally understand, but the story? I always remember 3 feeling very weird, bit out of place, compared to the first 2. Still loved it, but it's my least favorite in the trilogy. Maybe I need to play it again to see why people like it so much.

[@sorryzamaire842]

2 is the best

[@IFxXceptions7]

Noooo ur wrong sayings only speed while pressing A, the reality is that’s u get a litter buff when u run and cover with a corner and then select the directions u going and rapidly get out of the cover!!! 😮❤

[@Flurby]

That's not really what I said. I was comparing the differences between games when moving in a straight line, not that that's the only way to be faster. However, faster out of cover movement largely doesn't matter for the long sections I talked about and unfortunately there are a lot of them in 3.

[@RatSmasher88]

That sounds like it fucking sucks to run actually, that's sad cause its such a good game normally

[@pungkutspapowinisumpuvtuku195]

Wow, thanks for spoiling Cole’s death. I just got the game

[@Flurby]

I just can't believe Cole went out like that 😂

[@SuicidalPanda2]

I personally hate gears 3 because we lose our boy Dom 😢

[@AriseJevs]

Yall wen i tried beating insane by myself years ago i fucking crieddd dealing with shriekers and gunkers sometimes, even now at 20 i suffer 😭

[@Flurby]

😭😭😭

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

I was only able to beat insane on arcade with infinite ammo, lots of free time, and prayer

[@Jtoob-z5n]

1-3 that’s it

[@anonymouselite7657]

WRONG! gears of war 2 is the best gears of war to come out

[@fraiserfurner1504]

Gears 3 was my favourite for how smooth it played, but the feel of gears 2 will never be matched

[@goldenboigwuapo]

Factually wrong, 3 had more everything, features, weapons, modes, characters etc

[@LTLBproductions]

Lmfao bros mad the game has world building and no glitches 💀💀💀if speed runners designed a game it would literally be a straight line💀💀💀

[@Flurby]

No, it wouldn't be a straight line because that would be even more boring. You don't seem to fully understand the premise.

[@LTLBproductions]

@@Flurby no I do understand the premise. I just disagree with your points and made fun of speed running in general because speed running at its core is a race against time. Obviously no one would make a game a straight line. But I disagree about it being “boring.” Everything you disliked about it is what makes it fun and different from the last 2 games without straying too far from the formula. The randomness of the engagements, the cool set pieces, more aggressive Theron ai, the length of the game.. And the over all the story. Sure it’s not perfect. But I’d argue that 3 is the best gears game of the series. Also the video is called why speed runners hate gears 3. So going into the video with that in mind, I am making fun of what you said because “to me” if it wasn’t clear, it’s ridiculous to dislike a game for what is objectively or hell even subjectively well made. What’s disappointing is that your pinned comment is saying that nobody understood what you said, when in reality it’s that no one agreed with what you said.

[@Flurby]

It can simultaneously be a good game and a bad speedrun. The things you listed contribute to the first. Things I listed in the video* contribute to the second. We are talking about very different perspectives. Anyone who is versed in speedrunning as a concept would understand the problems here without thinking their favorite game is being attacked.

[@justnoob8141]

Speedrunner hate it? Good

[@A2goddess]

Damn no wonder why thyry hate this game.

[@Conky88]

Or here's an idea. Just play the game. Crazy I know.

[@boricuadude89]

Never got the appeal of speed running any game just play it & enjoy it speed running doesn’t make the game better

[@trxsh8574]

I love gears 3 I beat it in the hardest mode and it was challenging but I like it I like the story and the moments and it’s a lot different from gears 1 to 2

[@liambrooks20]

Soo basically the complaint is its a fully fuctioning game and you havent been able to break it? Games arent made to speedrun surely thats where the challenege is?, or dont yas like it because some skill is requires instead of running through a wall?

[@Flurby]

@@liambrooks20 Incorrect. Read the pin 😉

[@liambrooks20]

...read my reply

[@wyattparrish4440]

Get production value thank you for the entertaining vid

[@lowrider6217]

skill issue c:

[@A9_Kona]

I never understood the enjoyment of rushing through a game. Instead of enjoying a story. Some people just want to rush through it and just complete it. Even going as far as skipping cutscenes. To each their own I guess 🤷‍♂️

[@Flurby]

I see where you're coming from and generally agree with the sentiment. What you have to realize though is that people who speedrun have played their games many, many times already. They know the story, they've seen the cutscenes, but the gameplay of going fast can always be improved more. It's an additional way to thoroughly enjoy a game they like.

[@cardboard_shaft]

another terrible video man thanks

[@Dinosaurman34]

Speed runners hate gears 3 because it’s a well built game with next to no exploits? How sinful.

[@patrickwyeth4809]

Speed running a game why you don’t even experience everything the game has to offer if you do your just rush through it o and here’s your reward. Nothing😂

[@reven0699]

I dont understand speed runners

[@thebeanman99]

Just play the game instead of speed running?

[@Areszvt]

Skill issue

[@0Norck0]

For my friends and I Gears 3 is by far the most disappointing camping… I’m not saying it’s s the worst but maaaaan they were really pushing the 4 player coop with big dumb arenas that don’t fit Gears corridor style of gameplay. It’s just boring most of the time. I didn’t like the Deux ex Machina ending, I didn’t like that half the “story” you’re trying to fix some machine to get to the next boring section. Still a great game, MP is the best of the series and had a ton of modes in general.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Bro people speed run persona 5 and it's just playing the game really efficiently. The dead time in gears is NOTHING compared to that 😅

[@Flurby]

They're real as hell for that