Flying, Fighting, and Ejecting From an F-8 Crusader

[@richbrig3]

Thanks for this great interview. . I was a plane captain with VF-51 from 1965 through late 1967 during the Vietnam war. Our base was at Miramar and I did one short tour on the Ticonderoga and two tours on the Hancock. I have the utmost respect for fighter pilots having been so close to them being a plane captain. When I would be standing next to them preparing for take-off and showing the safety pins for the ejector seat, missiles were pulled we'd laugh about something, chat, and I'd wish them a safe flight. Upon returning the pilots were soaked in sweat and tense, you didn't speak to them. We lost several pilots including the late Commander Roger Netherland, lieutenant Wayne Skaggs and lieutenant commander Ron Dodge who was in a POW camp for years. They all lost their lives protecting our freedom, never forget. Plane captains were usually the last person to person contact the pilots had before going on a mission. There is no more of an empty feeling that waiting for your pilot to return and he doesn't. May we always remember all those lives lost in service to their country. God Bless America Rich Casamento VF-51

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

*"because you never know if you're going to ever come back"* That answer at the end there, man. Make the most out of your days as possible

[@jordancave6987]

An amazing chat with a lovely guy. These stories need to be told before this generation passes on.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

That was epic. I love how sharp some of these old pilots are, even in their twilight years. There's a twinkle in the eye and energy in the voice whenever they recall old sea stories! Love it.

[@CCGNZ65]

Absolutely,these guys are truly precious, not to be cliche but I don't think they make em like this anymore,sadly.

[@mickhalligan1314]

I had orders to VF 124 in May 1973 to fly the F-8. Around that time, the F-14s were stood up and as Magic stated, VFP 63 became the F-8 RAG. Magic was there but I never flew with him. All the instructors were combat veterans and included Bug Roach, Rabbit Campbell, Turtle Reddit, Cranedog Waldron, Tim Hubbard, Barfly Phillips and so many others. I think the F-8 community then became the primary source of Tomcat pilots in those years. After a cruise flying F-8Js with VF 211 on the Hancock, I went to the training command and later flew RF-8Gs as a reservist. What a trip down memory lane to see this interview! Sorry I missed the “31st (?) Last Crusader Ball” in Reno in conjunction with the Tailhook Convention.

[@Jollyrogerdoc]

When you are out of F-8s, you are out of fighters!

[@waynefletcher9884]

Great saying! Rah SF

[@Bat21bravo]

Ooh Rah --->

[@dareisnogod5711]

COPYCAT !!!

[@aj_jk1337]

😢

[@erickborling1302]

this aphorism alludes to the F-4's lack of a gun, which was remediated by the inclusion of the gun pod sometime thereafter.

[@bfrank7037]

My old man flew the F-8 and was friends with this dude. Good stuff Ward! Cheers

[@kirbyculp3449]

Got a story for us?

[@bfrank7037]

@@kirbyculp3449 I shared this with my dad and he replied “he’s forgotten more stories than I have” lol. Pretty sure they’re still buds

[@bushwackcreek]

Served with an F8 pilot in a Naval Reserve unit many years ago... a CDR Trione, who had gone through flight school with Randy Cunningham. Trione said Randy was kind of thick, but a great pilot and got Phantoms. Trione was lower in the class and got F8's.

[@wompa70]

These off the cuff interviews are great.

[@rodneylane634]

Great interview!! I was at Fleet Air Support Unit at Da Nang from May '70-Apr '71. We gassed & serviced a lot of jets off the Bonnie Dick. I'm sure I gassed up his F-8 at least once!

[@joeruger5858]

I got to know Captain Colin Haines when he was flying for Flight International in Taiwan in '93. He was shot down in Vietnam in '67 in an F-8. Spent 6+ years in the Hanoi Hilton. He was 61 when I met him, very nice man.

[@jeffr6280]

I loved his shirt, and it said out loud exactly what I was thinking. It's so cool to hear the extraordinary stories of service from "ordinary" looking folks. And kudos to his boss for recognizing the fact that Magic had talent and dedication to his country that was needed. Great interview Mooch!

[@shawnkilgore51]

The only F-8s I have ever seen in flight were a reserve Det we had outside Jax doing CQs on Sara in '83 Love the look of the 'Going fast sitting still' Crusader!

[@lauriekeiski7121]

In early 70’s F8 were the only fighters on Oriskany. In either 71 or 72 I was OOD as we began a recovery. An F8 was in the pattern abeam to port. Plane went inverted and pilot ejected. I saw both splashes. I also served on the Bonnie Diet 59-60. LCdr USN (Ret)

[@franksimon6617]

I was a Navy Supply Officer from 1967 to 1969 and served on the USS Bon Homme Richard (CVA-31) (not Bonhomme Richard) for two cruises. I saw a lot of F-8s and A-4s. For a while, the Bonnie Dick held the record for number of Migs shot down. It was an experience. Thanks, Mooch.

[@frankb4517]

My dad did a few WESTPAC cruises on Bonnie Dick as an AD in VA -195 I think.

[@franksimon6617]

@@frankb4517 my hats off for all Naval aviators!

[@scottbuildsthemall5124]

My late father in law flew the F-8, among other aircraft. The Crusader was his favorite! I proudly display his 1000mph club plaque in his memory.

[@mmckenzie9367]

As a civilian, I appreciate the captions that clarify military acronyms. Please consider including them in future videos. I'm sure a lot of your viewers know what RAG and CAG mean, but I'm a carpenter, so explaining those details means a lot. Thank you both for your service.

[@ricconway8719]

My father was a Marine Aviator who started in F-8s, moved to F-4s, and ended his career in F-18s. He had the most time in Phantoms, but he LOVED- to fly the F-8. What's more, every one of his friends I've ever talked to who flew them loved the Crusader. Thanks for posting this! -Semper Fi-

[@harrylime3.143]

Mooch always knows the most interesting people, nice interview love his stories.⚓💪😎

[@scottwilson7835]

Thank you for what you do,Mooch! I was an OS1 aic from 83-86 on the east coast. Did shore duty at Tarpon Control in NAS Key West. VF-45 adversaries flew everyday (mon-fri)... so we racked up a couple thousand gci's after our 2 year shore duty. Many times the Tomcat pilots were coming to give us a BZ. I was there when VF-45 used KFIR from the IDF, A-4's

[@jf2885]

James Frazier here Sept 69-Dec 71 VF 124 went to VF 211 Vietnam 72 worked as plane captain and AT on F-8 j and k s our pilots were highly regarded in The Crusader and were some of the nicest men learned a lot

[@JonC341]

I've heard of recalls, but someone saying I'll fire you if you don't. 😅Almost extortion and a blessing at the same time.

[@johnadams614]

Vought f8 cursader is my absolute favorite aircraft! its so good to see you made a video about the F8

[@ttpechon2535]

F-8s and A-7s are such cool aircraft, thanks for this interview!

[@craigh1790]

I love these old Cold War aviators. They are all such cowboys. Just absolute legends.

[@bryancardoza8698]

My name is Bryan Cardoza and I was attached to VF-211 from 1973 to the end of Vietnam. Prior to that I was at VF-124 with the new Tom Cat, a short stint at Top Gun transitioning over to VF-211 as an ADJ-3 attached to the USS Hancock ! What a great video to see old times with pilots who actually flew the F-8's which I worked on during my time in Vietnam !!! Thanks for THIS video Ward !

[@jimgutshall4855]

😅Another great interview, thanks Ward. Interesting guy, with great career to look back on.

[@DarkHorse443]

I was in VFP63 maintenance 75-78. Two Meds on the USS America. Can’t describe the shock you felt when it went into afterburner on the ‘cat’. Special place in my heart for ‘Eyes of the Fleet”.

[@williamhaase4248]

My dad was an F-8 pilot and loved his airplane. He punched out over Sardinia.on his Med Cruise on the Forestal when he was in VF-103 Sluggers. He had zero pilot error - the throttle was frozen at about 80% due to a break in the linkage that was believed to be caused by contaminated fuel.

[@burttee2594]

Great to see “Magic”. Was his neighbor in the 70’s and always enjoyed his stories. Saw F-8 first time in early 60’s at Miramar airshow. Love it to this day. Good times!

[@tg-pf9eq]

Was in VF-191 (Satans Kittens) as a E-3, E-4, and E-5 two long cruises on CVA-14 66,67,and 68. Vietnam. One cruise was 11 months I believe. On first deployment did my time mess cooking and loved it. Worked grave shift in the Chief’s mess. Needless to say I ate very well. Told myself that I would like to be a Chief one day. Retired as MCPO. Captain James Cain rings a bell. Shot down 9 bad guys and one destroyer to his credit, prior to the Vietnam conflict.

[@arlenbloodworth8466]

Never met the man but probably followed him on radar a few times as an RD (now OS) in CIC on the Bonnie Dick in 1970. The Crusader is (in my opinion) one of the most beautiful flying machines I ever laid eyes on (it had a wonderful sound as well). Used to go up with the lookouts to watch the CAP return for the last recovery of each cycle (when not on watch).

[@lenyfreeman3807]

13:30 We used to take those shot up tow targets and tie them to the rafters in the hangar over the shop spaces. They made great hammocks for sleeping.

[@theejectionsite1038]

The thumbnail photo is from LT JG Kryway's ejection, one of the most famous ejection photo sequences. One anecdotal story is that before that aviators would more often stay with the plane into the water, not trusting the off-the-deck ejection capability. After the photos were published and distributed the numbers were reversed and more aviators would use the ejection seats, especially in Martin-Baker equipped aircraft. Note that this ejection seat used was the early Mk. F5 with no underseat rocket. This means that the seat was a hard bang and a slightly lower ejection arc. If that could do the ejection off the deck, once the rockets were added they had far better margin for safety

[@jonathanstein1783]

Planes Of Fame in Chino, CA, has a non flying example of the F-8. Not sure which one, but one of my favorite static displays there.

[@andreperrault5393]

Exactly like the Naval Aviators I grew up listening to. Being professional in meeting challenges. Friends gone. Some of our finest.

[@Boz_-st4jt]

Great interview! And, Great T-shirt! F-8 "Last of the Gunfighters!"

[@SheldonGingerich]

My room mate in AOCS was killed in an F8 accident. LtRichard Lineberry. Seems like a lot of my classmates got into some kind of trouble in that bird! .

[@kayakutah]

I got to VFP-63 in 1979 and as a newly minted Ensign, being around these guys was a real epiphany! LOTS of personality, for sure. Spoiled me for the rest of my career - overheard two F-14 RIOs discussing what I liked to hear, flying the ball and one said "nothing, he likes it quiet". Guess I had a rep. Just to elaborate on a couple of points. It's true that the fuselage went down, rather than the wing going up, but as that was occurring, nose up trim was automatically applied, so the sense you got was an initial feeling that the nose started to drop, then the nose stabilized, and it stayed pretty level. This level thrust axis had interesting implications for flying the ball. In the F-14, if you added power, you did get a slight reduction in sink rate due to the pitch attitude. In the RF-8, you pretty much just went faster. Also, it was attached to the catapult with a bridle, but it was a single point attachment known as a pendant. The F-4 was two points (bridle). Not real important to us, but any deck hand that worked attaching you would probably want that known for historical accuracy.

[@StarwaterCWS]

I was on Coral Sea for the last F8 cruise. Crusader was my favorite aircraft to watch. The wings went up on deck, but hadn’t thought about the aircraft going down in the air. Aerodynamics makes that true and in many respects the fuselage was one big landing gear as far as the wing was concerned!

[@ArcFixer]

Hi, Ward. My uncle was a Crusader driver. Lt. Commander Hal Averyt. Call sign "Shag". He enlisted as a seaman and worked his way up. He flew CAP missions over Korea in Panthers. When I was about 10 years old he'd come to visit us in his Crusader. He landed at the Amarillo, Tx SAC base about 50 miles from our house. We didn't set up a time to pick him up. He flew over our house and then we'd go pick him up. And by 'Over our house", I mean flew down our ally at about 40 feet. A Crusader blowing your clothes off the clothes line is hard to miss and pretty awesome. On one occasion he let me sit in his pilot seat. Also awesome. A 10 year old aviation nut's dream. After he retired he told me he felt sorry for modern pilots. They are on too tight a leash to have that kind of fun. He ejected once after a collision right off the boat. He didn't say much about it except that he got wet. Anyway, he was a great guy, and had the right stuff. R.I.P. Lt. Commander Hal "Shag" Averyt.

[@charlesberlemann8831]

Wow! My son and I rode from the Nugget to the airport with "Magic" in the Nugget bus Monday morning.

[@baomao7243]

It sounded like he had an amazing range of assignments. I personally liked the fact that he judged the supply vs demand and say “no … no … here is what i want.”

[@ianstuart2328]

This is great history. I like his SA, he still scans the room and never loses his train of thougth.

[@fiverats1]

Larry was at my dealership getting service done just recently, wearing that exact shirt. Extremely awesome guy and loved hearing his story!

[@dmutant2635]

I was probably 10 or 12 when I received an autographed photo of Dick Bellinger's F-8 over Vietnam. Which I think is represented on Magic's tshirt....? Anyway loved that plane ever since. Its pilots seem to have the best sea stories...or the most hairy ones!

[@speedygonzales9090]

GOOD ONE MOOCH !!!

[@soundknight]

What an amazing old character with useful exuberance! Great story teller!

[@TheBuccleuch]

Very nice, Mooch! My grandfather led a team at Vought that built the training fixtures for the F-8 for the Navy. I have a box full of 8x10 black and white photos of his F-8 days, and I need to get those scanned and up on the internet!

[@pdoherty]

Another good one sir. I remember seeing my first F-8 trap aboard Midway in 72. Might have been the Commander himself coming aboard. Thanks to you both for your service and the interview. USN PR2 1971-75

[@jaxsmith1744]

My old man flew over Cuba with VFP-62 in the RF-8 and he so loved that plane.Went on to work at LTV and sell F-8s and A-7s around the world.

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Also great f-8 t-shirt there

[@nicksavage4763]

My Uncle James Harrison Jr aka “Swamp Fox” A Marine Flew F-8’s and A-4’s, A Marine Fighter Pilot Flew over 300 Missions in Viet Nam and Retired a Major.and went on to Become Flight Instructor at Whiting Field and Barrancas for Over 20 Years. Numerous decorations for Combat including the Bronze Star, numerous Air Medals, Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal and a Presidential Unit Citation.. peacefully passed at 89 on July 16, 2023 Dearly Missed. And appreciate all who have Served and put their lives on the line. Those F-8’s were Some Tough Planes.

[@johnkomlosy5347]

As my first CO used to say, "He was an old F-8 guy, crazy guy!"

[@brianclifton9988]

thank you , Mooch. And thank you for your service.

[@billhinson9839]

Magic Morris arrived at VF-124 in June 1969 after I departed for VC-10 in May 1969. VC-10 CO, Bruce Ashley, gave us a recap and safety lecture following Magic's ejection in the gun pattern as we were starting squadron gunnery training.

[@mikebridges20]

Mooch, I sure hope (and know you are) keeping all these interviews in a safe somewhere; TIMELESS interviews that need to be preserved. Thanks for sharing!

[@johnnunn8688]

You know that whatever gets on the internet is there forever, right?

[@marbleman52]

@@johnnunn8688....Well...not exactly. It sure seems that the internet is forever, but...that is only until the internet is no more or some kind of electronic catastrophe that wipes clean all of the servers & data storage units, etc. No electricity= no internet as we know it. Hopefully I am just blowing smoke and am sounding ridiculous, but I think I am not completely ridiculous...lol..!!

[@davidb6576]

@@johnnunn8688 It depends - stuff does get copied, but some things do disappear. The net's fickle that way...

[@jwardcomo]

It just does not get better than this.

[@Chlode_Omega86]

My grandpa was a fuel guy (purple shirt) on the USS Coral Sea when Crusaders were in service.

[@mpetry912]

There is a great book that has quite a lot about flying the 'Sader "On Yankee Station" by Barrett Tillman, Naval Institute Press, really excellent read.

[@randykelso4079]

Roger that.

[@mpetry912]

that is a heck of a book !

[@beijingbond]

I read books as a kid about F-14's and F-8's but to hear it from the horses mouth is special. Great interview, Ward.

[@stevenhj3124]

Commander Morris, very much can relate to your comments about your (our) service in Vietnam. It's been a while ago but those of us who served have not forgotten those days as you have so well remembered. I was: PN3 USS FOX (DLG-33) Ships Office, 1967-68 Vietnam tour. Well done.

[@donc9751]

You interview many great pilots and people!!! Heros!!!

[@therealaim-9xmissile]

Nam pilots were out of this world what a great bunch

[@indy500tabasco8]

Good booth😊. 'Magic didnt explain his 'call sign'.'

[@kevkeary4700]

nice tshirt!!

[@scottharris5714]

What a great interview with an interesting man - he has some great military experiences. "You guys all look alike to me" haha! Thanks for bringing these interesting people to us to share their stories. Excellent!

[@jeffbeck8993]

Oh yeah, this fella was sharp and succinct. Ward picked up on it and didn't try his usual thing of inserting himself into every story every chance he gets. LOL.

[@bruceshaw4399]

After A school, I went to VF-124, for F-8, then to my squadron VC-1 at Barbers Point. We got 4 newly rebuilt F-8K. My favorite plane to work on, from plane captain to A/F shop. CMD RG Sonicson ( probably mis spelled, 1969 was along time ago) Lt Gentalmen Jim Brule was our favorite Officer. He did all the maintenance hops. Always got a airshow.

[@alphakky]

Thankfully, Vought followed up the F7U with the F8U.

[@randykelso4079]

The F8U was termed "Vought's Last Chance". The company would have folded if the F-8 had been another flop after the Pirate and the Gutless Cutlass.

[@l1a146]

What a brilliant chat. I hung on every word he had to say. Love hearing from these guys. Keep em coming.

[@jk5658]

In the late 1980's I lived North of Apache Junction, Arizona in the Goldfield Mtns. Behind our house was a ridge that had a FAA facility. My daughter and I took the trail up to the tower and was checking out the valley below. A jet was approaching below a low level of cloud's and flew right over us. I did not recognize the jet and my daughter suggested we go to K-Mart and look at the aircraft models, turns out it was an F-8.

[@StarwaterCWS]

Awesome interview. Tremendous respect. Deployed with VFP 63 recon F-8s, CVW-14 USS Coral Sea 1981-82 cruise. (The PI girls had a different name for the Coral Sea)

[@frankhollein7093]

Good times back in the day.

[@jetdriver]

It’s interesting to contrast the long and distinguished career he had and the fact that the Navy was willing to look at the whole picture with the treatment afforded the F-35 ramp strike first tour pilot who the Navy described to flush down the drain.

[@WardCarroll]

Completely different circumstances and times.

[@jetdriver]

@@WardCarroll I understand that. The Navy’s attitude to losing an aircraft has changed dramatically over the years. But based on your reporting the F-35 pilot up until that point had been an above average aviator. He didn’t intend to have autothrust off and he was performing an authorized maneuver for the first time. Yes his error was serious but this is a young officer on his first deployment who had shown great potential. The Navy had also invested a huge amount of time and money getting him to this point. It seems like there is more than enough there to suggest a pilot who merited a second chance. Chester Nimitz as is well known once ran his ship aground as a young officer. He turned out to be arguably the finest officer to ever wear the uniform. The zero defect mentality does not serve our Navy well. Recently a young officer I’ve know his entire life graduated from the Academy and reported to Pensacola to begin his career as a Navy Pilot. One day his car refused to start making him late for class. For that single offense he was kicked out of Naval Aviation. Yes that’s right one strike and he was out.

[@steveghazarian]

Great interview, watched it 2x

[@anthonysantiago1999]

I could listen to conversations like this all day! Good Stuff.

[@jfdillard]

Great chat! Keep em coming!

[@RocketToTheMoose]

Even Ward can't resist gunning the tanker.

[@WardCarroll]

That was actually Growling Sidewinder.

[@markendicott6874]

Another excellent discussion - thanks.

[@LouT1501]

Fascinating story! These interviews are pure gold! Thank you

[@KK_on_KK]

The Crusader's size is deceiving, it doesn't look that big until you see it next to an F-4 and realize they are very close in size. That huge J-57 tail pipe also adds to the size deception.

[@alasdairmunro1953]

That was great Ward, thanks for bringing it to us!

[@johnwallace4408]

WoW! What an interview! Segments like this is what makes your channel so great!

[@kevinphillips9408]

Wonderful interview with a classic hero. 👏👏👏👏

[@Wanderlustwithjess50]

I served on the rosie myself. Made her last cruise before decomissioning with VA 192. Futhermore,I boarded the Mighty "O" in 1975, with VA-52. Stationed oceana VF 101 working on Phantoms. 1971 - 1972.

[@jimflores9098]

My Dad LOVED the F-8....He was a Vought Aircraft homer though...lol...

[@dB-hy6lh]

Tell some Moon Vance stories - I knew him when he was my boss at Grumman Aerospace Field Ops. He was the Director, I was his site manager in Taiwan (for the E-2 AEW aircraft), but only met him after he was retired from the Navy. On the rare occasions when I got back to the home office, I talked to him in his office but never got the chance to hear sea stories or tales of flying. He was a great guy (and, for an all-too brief time before he left us, one of my mentors).

[@JHillNC]

I wish this were 120 minutes longer! I love hearing from these amazing guys.

[@steveanderson9290]

I was in the Navy in California the same time he was. I sure wish my memory was as good as his still is, sharp guy!

[@jamesa.7604]

Respect To The Last of The Gunfighters!

[@isaachartford8354]

This channel has some of the best aviation interviews on KZbin!

[@theraptorsnest5891]

Love that t-shirt!

[@captainamerica3814]

Did anyone count how many different carriers he was deployed on?? Amazing career. Thank you for your service. 👍🏽

[@michaelhowell2541]

Built some Corsairs in the late sixties in DFW at LTV.👍🇺🇸

[@mitsnevets]

great interview !

[@geobeo6449]

Great interview Mooch! The thumbnail you used was from VF-11 - my Dad was on that cruise when LTJG Kryway ejected! Broken landing strut off of the Dominican Republic on the USS Roosevelt.

[@robertdonnell8114]

My Stepfather worked at LTV in the 1960s and built F-8s.

[@rudipack1551]

So much respect, what a life you guys have had, amazing. You did what I could only dream of, thank you

[@GeminiSeven43]

Thanks so much Mooch for another great interview with part of our aviation history. I was wondering if you know/knew Rear Admiral Paul T. Gillcrist? I love his book "Feet Wet" and it has his many stories of navel aviation from the early days of the Hellcat on straight decks through the evolution of jets to being the first flag officer to land an F-14A Tomcat on the USS Kittyhawk. I love these stories and the interviews that you provide are awesome for those of us who are gorund bound. Thanks again.

[@WardCarroll]

I don't know RADM Gillcrist but am familiar with his book.

[@randykelso4079]

Yes, another good F-8 book.

[@solarwizzo8667]

What a community!