Flying the DIAMOND DA50 RG - Better than Cirrus?

Almost 15 years after its first appearance Diamond Aircraft received EASA certification for their DA50 RG in September 2020. This high-performance single-engine piston airplane enters a market segment in General Aviation that has been dominated for years by market leader Cirrus Aircraft. Time to find out whether Diamond's new machine will change this...
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Content in this video:
00:00 The imaginary question...
01:26 Dimensions, Exterior & Masses
02:36 The Engine and Diamonds "Diesel-story"
04:43 Interior & Cockpit
08:07 Engine start, Taxi & Run-up
11:27 Takeoff & Climb-out
14:46 Airconditioning, Flight Controls, Cabin Comfort
17:27 Cruise Performance
21:45 Stall characteristics
24:00 Instrument approach speed check
26:40 Comparison: Performance, M&B, Pricing
28:42 Approach & Landings
34:25 My conclusion
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Big thanks to the Team @DiamondAircraftInd for inviting me and showing me the plane. Thanks as well to my buddy Silvan for joining me on the trip and his help with the Camera Gear!
Thanks @erwinpoll for allowing the usage of a segment from his video: • Diamond Da 62 PH-VCC T...
Thanks @akosmaroy for allowing the usage of a segment from his video under the rules of Creative Commons:
• A flight from Innsbruc...

[@zzanatos2001]

My dream airplane is the new Piper M700 Fury. It seats six and cruises at 300 knots - but it's about four times the price of the Diamond.

[@user-ue2gc1lt9g]

Gentlemen, Thank you for a very professionally done video. You all did a great job of reviewing the aircraft. I really enjoyed the beautiful Austrian countryside. Happy, & safe, flying!

[@guymoore1044]

Great video! I'm glad to see some quality GA reporting in Europe. I've subscribed and I'm looking forward to more content from you.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks Guy! Appreciate the compliments and your subscription :)

[@michaelmartin8331]

I can see how the DA50 has an appeal in Europe due to the 100LL situation. However, in the US, it falls quite short. I learned in the DA40 so I am quite a fan of Diamond and wish this plane had more to offer. The bad: (a) the SR22T and DA50 are NOT the same price. I was at the booth at Oshkosh and the fully loaded DA50 is a whopping $1.45m vs $1.06m for the fully loaded SR22T. (b) Fuel capacity is 51.5 gal in the DA50 vs 92 gal in the SR22T so the range is much less (c) I cruise at 196-200 KTAS in the SR22T @17k ft @16.4 gph which is significantly faster than even the max speed of the DA50 at 181 KTAS. (d) the climb rate and service ceiling is 20% better in the SR22T than the DA50 (e) the 44' wing span vs 38' for the SR22T is a significant issue in the US due to hangars being 40-42 feet wide typically (f) passengers sitting in the co-pilot seat find the center stick not appealing vs side stick. I actually don't mind the center stick. (g) I find the seats to be quite hard in the DA50 vs the SR22T. (h) The insurance is going to be significantly higher in a DA50 with its retractible gear and "newness". (i) Getting a qualified CFI is difficult as there aren't many around (j) Dry leasing your plane out will be more difficult..............The good: (a) Jet A is typically much cheaper than 100LL so cost per hour is even that much less in the DA50 (b) passengers have more room in the back (c) The seats fold down in a more flat position so putting golf clubs and more luggage is better in the DA50 (d) The ramp appeal is better in the DA50 since there is not many DA50s that roll into airports in the US and the fact that it looks more impressive than a SR22T.

[@danblumel]

The current version LED landing lights in the Cirrus are a total joke. The Diamonds double lights are radically better.

[@jakeoesterreich8037]

You can’t compare fuel capacity without mentioning the fuel flow in the DA-50. 91 gallons at 16.4GPH isn’t that much different than 51.5 gallons at 9GPH. Technically even, the DA-50 has more range actually according to this

[@michaelmartin8331]

@@jakeoesterreich8037 You have to compare apples to apples. At 9 gph, the DA50 is cruising at 55% power,. Let's assume that both planes want to keep an hour of fuel reserve and will climb to 16k feet and cruise at 55% power. The DA50 will climb about 700 f/m on average up to 16k and will burn 6.5g and 23m to get there. The SR22T will burn 8.9g and get there in 14.8 minutes (almost 9 minutes faster). Once at 16k feet, the DA50 will burn 9 gph at 145 kts and will be able to cruise for 4.05 hours. The SR22T will be cruising at 160kts @ 12.4 gph for 5 1/2 hours. The range, climb performance, and cruise speed is well documented in the POH so that should not be in question. Like I said, the DA50 is a great airplane but I just think that it will struggle here in the US based on the points that I made earlier. The biggest is that it is significantly more expensive.

[@michaelmartin8331]

Correction, the SR22T burns 12.7 gph at 55%. All other numbers are accurate I believe.

[@michaelmartin8331]

@@danblumel Agreed! There are several items that I think the SR22 could stand to upgrade.

[@Phirozdavide]

Excellent presentation and analysis between the two airplanes. Diamond DA50 looks awesome and handles well as per your vlog.

[@matthewrainey1894]

Again, a nice video, thanks to you, Simon. Enjoyed this extensive video and report on the Diamond. Great job and please continue your excellent videos!

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks Matthew, appreciate your comment and the support! 👍🏼😃

[@maximilianmann]

As a longtime Diamond DA40 co-owner I can tell you one thing. Diamonds are the nicer airplane to fly than the cirrus. Its flight characteristics are super safe. Its like a German Car, precise and perfectly balanced. Stalling is not an issue and they get out of a spin. But thats about it. In all other „departments“ the DA50 falls short in comparison to a SR22T. But the biggest issue with Diamond, is their aftersales. We have a DA40 with IO360, there has never been an update for the G1000 since it was launched in 2008! No upgrade path what so ever. Diamond had to be pushed by owners to get ready for ADSB a few years back. I would never buy a Diamond again. Cirrus is the much better package. It’s a pitty as I prefer the stick feeling of a Diamond and it’s docile flight characteristicts. I really don’t know, who would buy a DA50. If you have that kind of money I would buy a DA62. Diamond got to get their after sales fixed, improve the software and then we can talk. And don’t forget, cirrus are mainly owned by owner pilots, a big part of the diamond fleet is trining, as an owner pilot your needs are not interesting for diamond.

[@WhereNerdyisCool]

Well said

[@cellokid5104]

I've flown da20s, 40s and hk36s the flight feel of a diamond is honestly just kinda boring🤷‍♂️ I'm flying GA planes for fun first and foremost and that excitement is honestly just not 100% there in diamonds. Imo

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

It looks to me the Diamond is a lot more robust built, more margins in the engineering and it is a retract gear!!! It is VERY lame to compare it to a fixed gear construction/cost/benefits!!!! On the secondary market (used market) the upgrade path of avionics is not the issue of the first owner...

[@rickmitchell6886]

I also own a DA40 and completely agree with your point about after sales service. They have NEVER updated their G1000 system and , from whatI can tell, have no plan to. Plane does fly very well. Super docile stalls at around 47kts dirty and the pushrods make for precise handling. After about 2 hours those 26G seats will begin to become uncomfortable.

[@jackshittle]

Good information, thank you. I'll stick with my 1979 C152.

[@i.love.flying.]

Great and high quality content! I'm really looking forward to a new video!

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks!

[@kpbarbee]

Great explanation of the differences ~ thanks for the intelligent presentation!

[@deldridg]

Great review and thank you. It's a long way from the old C152 I learned in many years ago! My son will start his flying this year in a DA40, which makes me a very jealous dad indeed! Cheers from Sydney - Dave

[@Thomipangang]

That usefull load isn’t correct… the diamond has like 50kg extra in minimal config with full fuel…

[@srfox1]

Thanks for this video. It opened me up to the Diamond line of aircraft.

[@MattMorris481]

Almost $900,000 and A/C is an option unreal.

[@eacosta1667]

Let's not forget that some pilot have to buy a cushion or something because this company wants to save money on the rails where you can adjust the seats.

[@tonylam9548]

Martin above commented it is more like $1.45 million. I also wondered about ice protection, available ?

[@Maniac742]

@@eacosta1667 The seats bolted to the frame have nothing to do with saving money. Bolting the seats to the frame ensures that they will not separate from the airframe in the event of an accident, unlike adjustment rails where the seat can fly right off them. It's a safety feature that has saved lives. Diamond has one of the best safety records in the entire industry. I'll take that over a silly adjustable seat any day of the week.

[@eacosta1667]

@@Maniac742This sound like a Silly excuse probably coming from an aircraft company employee. I am sure that pilot seats is the last thing that a pilot would look for in regards to safety. They would look more on comfort with the seats. I would imagine that if a pilot seat comes off the rail due to an accident, chances are that there will be other factors far more deadly that a bolted seat can save you.

[@Maniac742]

@@eacosta1667 I guess if you want to inhale gallons of crack, I can't stop you.

[@climbtibet]

The engineering and R&D as well as focus on safety that goes into one of these is awesome; I just love it.

[@richardprokopczyk9255]

i really appreciate you converting metric to our standard or non metric units

[@dwightc3080]

Fold up wing tips would solve the hanger space issue. Nice plane.

[@rodolfocastro3222]

Great video! Thanks for sharing.

[@kimber1911]

I trained in a DA20! I loved it. Not fancy but a good economical aircraft to train on.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Same here! 😉

[@flosofly]

Cool to see fellow europeans making quality ga videos. Great job !

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks Florent 🙏🏼🙂

[@TractorsNStuff]

IF I had a $1.5 million to spend on an airplane, it would be a tough decision. But I think, for me, I'd still buy the SR22T. Just more support here in the US. More hanger options, support, CFIs, etc. And I like the side stick. But who am I kidding. I likely never be able to afford a new DA50 or a Cirrus. lol.

[@andrecaldeira330]

Amazing demo. Congrats

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks Andre! :)

[@allanmanning]

What a great video. Thanks.

[@akosmaroy]

Thanks guys for including my video at around 3:52 :)

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks for allowing its usage! It must have been a cool flight and it‘s a cool perspective there! 😃 Hope to see more of your flights here on KZbin 💪🏼

[@MrJohnBos]

Wonderful review. Having flown in a Cirrus 22, it's a bit tight for a big guy like me. I like the fact that the Diamond has more room. I'll take the Diamond DA50 RG.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks for your comment, really appreciate it! :)

[@AJ-kineticU]

Nice well done review. Thanks

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks!

[@mob1235]

the interior looks very comfy

[@taildraggerpilotch]

Nice video, thank you Simon. As I had the chance to fly in this very DA50RG on the backseat and being a Cirrus-pilot at the same time there are two hearts beating in my chest. What would be worth mentioning is the engine TBO or to be more precise TBR... The CD-300 needs to be replaced after running out of time and will cost roughly around 100k. An overhaul is not possible. Their goal is to bring the TBR up to 2000h wich is not the case yet. So this will then bring the costs down a bit in the future. But you won't find a DA50RG for less than 800.-/h, which is quite a price for a 5-seat-aicraft (wich is not true for 5 adults btw). So IMHO the DA50RG is a fantastic plane, very well built and with fantastic systems, but it is what it is: a luxury dream ;-). Thanks again Simon, greetings to Silvan and keep up your good work!

[@MAGApepe]

it does not have an AE300 motor

[@taildraggerpilotch]

@@MAGApepe Sorry, I meant the CD-300. The content of what i wrote stays the same. I corrected my comment above.

[@MAGApepe]

@@taildraggerpilotch np... ya seems all the same when there is a 300 in both names right :))

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Hi Christian! Thanks for your comment 😉👍🏼 Passed the greetings on to Silvan 😉 Couldn‘t agree more with what you‘re writing. However for what I found online the TBR Extension (2000hrs) has already been completed. But still… A luxury dream, as you said 😣

[@envitech02]

OMG, The engine cannot be overhauled and must be replaced?? First time I heard of this.

[@LCRider13]

The DA50 RG seems to be a fantastic and a fantastically safe airplane. Having said that, at its asking price, one would have to consider a new Baron or Seneca V or a Piper M350.

[@mojah1]

Totally agree 👍

[@Maniac742]

Comparing twins to singles isn't really a good comparison. I'd take the 42 or the 62 over the Baron and the Seneca, because they sip gas much more lightly. At least the M350 has a pressurized cabin, but it also snorts fuel like crack.

[@Lak62_101]

Love both of them . Funny how you mention the "if i win the lottery plane" haha. Mine would be def. the Cessna 510 or the Hjet 🥰

[@juerg5662]

Geniale, aussagekräftige Dokumentation, danke! Ich warte jetzt noch auf den Lottogewinn und melde mich dann wieder ... 🙂.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Danke für dein Feedback Jürg! So machen wir das ;)

[@FlyingNDriving]

By that performance chart, the cirrus is 7 kts slower at similar ~12.7gal/hr fuel burn at 8,000. That's also worth mentioning

[@garythompson2517]

What a beautiful aircraft. I love it. Please buy me one!

[@Hyungbu]

I'm not a pilot but i do watch a lot of flight videos and my take away from this video is that it sure was nice to be able to understand the control tower over the radio...Normally they speak so fast I miss most of it or have to replay it...Someday, someday.

[@Aristotle2000]

Hangar space is already at a premium, but oversized hangar space is that much harder.

[@majorchungus]

@@TFT-bp8zk If I had that much money, I wouldn't buy this plane. Something with a turbine that can do 250 to 300kts.

[@Maniac742]

My family owns a Duo Discus XLT. It costs 1/6th as much as a DA50RG and has a wingspan of 66 ft, while the 50 only has a wingspan of 44 ft. Needing a large hangar isn't really a unique problem anymore.

[@chinfungso918]

How would you compare the stall characteristics of the DA-50 and the SR-22T? In terms of how abruptly it enters into one and which one is easier to recover from? Thanks for the great test flight video!

[@Maniac742]

I've seen another video on the DA50RG where they did a few stalls, and they're almost benign and the aircraft retains aileron authority. The DA50 is extremely stable, even in a stall.

[@habibi750]

@@Maniac742I been obsessed with this plane. The safety technology in this plane is amazing. There is absolutely no comparison to a SR22T

[@paulpummel4276]

Klasse Video! Vielen Dank dafür! Würde mich nicht wundern, wenn Cirrus demnächst für nen Demoflight anruft 😉😁

[@ASWISSPILOT]

😂 Mal schauen 😝 Danke für‘s Kompliment 😉

[@svisquerra1]

I absolutely love it!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@josec4790]

Very nice explanatory video. I own a Cirrus SR22 and have flown the Diamond DA 40 in the past for many hours. Love the Diamond. Like you said Cirrus had no competition, so I’m glad that now there is an airplane with similar capabilities and appeal of the Cirrus. I’m certain , as well as many other Cirrus pilots, that if they would have incorporated the airframe parachute many of us would definitely consider the DA 50. In a recent Cirrus event the DA 50 was mentioned,and almost 100% of the significant others, would not want to switch because of not being equipped with the parachute. Hoping that they incorporate them in the future.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks Jose for your comment! I flew the SR22 as well and I know it’s a great machine as well. Wish you many more happy flights in your Cirrus! :)

[@ictpilot]

Cirrus couldn't certify the airplane without the chute. Too bad you can't get it without the chute.

[@erwinpoll]

Thanks and your welcome keep up the good work and hope to see you soon at teuge airport😉

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Would be fantastic! A trip to the Netherlands is definitively on my bucket list! 👍🏼 Thanks again Erwin 😉

[@luizcarlosdeoliveira7614]

Very good. Welcome in my city .Big aircraft. Porto Alegre.

[@planespeaking]

The build quality, especially fit and finish looks far superior in the diamond aircraft to my eye but I am sure they are both great planes to fly.

[@captainsman]

The arm rest keypad looks to be inspired from the Intrepid Class Voyager Captain's chair 😉

[@trehl639]

Similar airplanes, but with significant differences. Most of it will come down to your typical mission. For instance, high-altitude VFR is much less common in Europe because several countries effectively have caps in place anywhere between FL100 and FL130. So a lot of big, grunty turbos can reach their sweet spots only under IFR. Couple that with the fact that it's a lot less common for private pilots in Europe to have an instrument rating, and your market looks quite different just for that reason. The fifth seat may also be a massive game changer, depending on your family structure. But all that aside, there's a pet peeve I have: I understand it's mostly for insurance reasons in the US market; but fixed landing gear on a high-performance airplane just seems massively anachronistic to me. It's like installing fixed fenders right at the water line of a speedboat. Flying a Cirrus (or a TTX, for that matter), I would constantly be thinking about those three big lollipops I'm dragging through the air.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Hi! Thanks for your comment! Couldn't agree more with what you're saying!

[@ictpilot]

The design of the wheel pants on the Citrus means it only loses a few knots. The designers said it wouldn't be worth the complexity and maintenance upkeep for retract gear.

[@10RRASK]

I imagine that the gear on the Cirrus is big part of CAPS not breaking your back when you hit the ground after you pull the red handle.

[@hailstorm7868]

Don't you need oxygen for FL100? So many people prefer to stay below in the non-pressurised planes anyway

[@westnash]

Great video. Is insurance cost not a factor in Europe? Huge factor in USA. Also a comparison of required maint over the useful life of the airplane would be helpful.

[@bobbwest]

Impressive plane. I’m not a pilot, but I am an aviation fan.

[@TENpilot]

Incredible plane. I had the opportunity to see it this year at Friedrichshafen and I was blown away!!

[@hubschenk1652]

A demo flight with the SRT22T shows a much smoother attitude; this may be due to the young pilot and/or the weather. In a price comparison with full equipment, the DA50 is significantly more expensive at US$ 1.45 million than the SRT22T, which I find more modern and better than the DA50. In addition, the DA50 requires more hangar space. But that's probably also a matter of taste.

[@tboss5653]

da50 also has less useful load, and is slower than the sr

[@airfool]

sehr gute Bericht, wundert mich, dass Dein Kanal nicht die Menge von Abonnenten hat die ihm gebührt.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Hi! Danke für's Kompliment. Ja ich mach das ja noch nicht so lange und habe nicht so viele Videos bisher. Ist (wie Du weißt) ein Haufen Arbeit, dazu bin ich voll berufstätig, hab ne tolle Frau und einen kleinen Sohn... Da muss man seine Zeit einteilen. Werd in einer ruhigen Minute mal wieder in deine Videos reinschauen, Du hast ja selbst super Content! Hoffe man sieht sich mal irgendwo ;)

[@airfool]

@@ASWISSPILOT klar, die Fliegerwelt ist klein. Denke meinen Flieger wirst erkennen ;-) weiter so!

[@N807DS]

Thank you for this very nicely done video. I am a former DA40 pilot. While I absolutely loved my two DA40-180, I have since turned sour on Diamond for their lack of ambition when it comes to lightweight construction and their poor customer support. The DA50 is overweight - crippled beyond fixing from day one. Pipistrel have a much better design philosophy in my opinion. Diamond have also not learned the vital art of keeping their customers. Summary: I would certainly not buy a DA50.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks for your comment! Hope I‘ll be able to fly the Pipistrel Panthera for this channel one day ;)

[@Vasher121]

Hey, do you have any recommendation for a (Heli) flight school in Switzerland?

[@jeanpauljeannin5041]

Super avion que j'achète comme tu le dis si ... une pluie d'euros tombe sur mon toit. j'ai eu la chance de l'essayer à Avignon lors du tour d'Europe. Très bel essai dans cette vidéo.

[@Cadcare]

18:32 first smile from the Boss. 🙂

[@danfrederiksen1607]

For noise abatement you could just come in unpowered. What's the glide ratio of it?

[@ArsPraestigium]

With added cabin air conditioning, would the fuel consumption increase significantly?

[@S.Norman]

Thanks

[@daviddeltorochacon6094]

Es una belleza, esa aeronave.

[@P_Mann]

I like the idea of owning a Diamond, mostly because of their design philosophy and how they executed to it. Money not being an issue for a listing GA plane, and it would likely aim for a DA62 or a DA50, depending on my mission at the time.

[@Maniac742]

Really just depends on whether you're multi engine rated. When you compare the 62 to the 50, the 62 is superior in almost every way. What separates the two for most buyers is the extra certificate.

[@Sokeresa]

​@Maniac742 the extra certificate is 3 days to complete

[@maesc2001]

I would go for the C210P maybe with an Alison mod added for extra speed. I love the C210 😉✌️

[@sqvision]

How would it compare to a Piper M350? I would choose pressurization over oxy masks any time. Also seats 6.

[@10RRASK]

And the Piper is 1000x better looking than the Diamond

[@ne0tas]

gorgeous plane!

[@Aranjuezman]

The only thing I hate from this aircraft is having the control in that position... wasn´t it possible to set it aside like a cirrus 22? for example?

[@ronaldknight988]

How much does it cost and do you get it here in USA

[@amgguy4319]

I keep wanting someone to explain the characteristics between DA50 & DA62...

[@gregormenga2166]

what do you do if you need to use restroom?

[@mojah1]

Thanks for sharing, with the cost of fuels that would be a good choice , otherwise a million dollars is out of reach for me ❤

[@marahbadrian]

It seems that where one intends to use the aircraft also makes a lot of difference. I wonder how the DA50 and Cirrus SR22T compares in places that aren't Europe or North America.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Outside North America or Europe the lack of AVGAS availability is even more of a problem, so I'd guess a DA50 would be the better choice there. The GA market is very small outside the mentioned regions though...

[@leeryan1969]

I want one!!!

[@air-headedaviator1805]

idk why I thought this was with a v8, but a TT V6 is still pretty nice, and different

[@adamlafleur4448]

They won't sell any in the US with the range problem

[@gtr1952]

I really like what Diamond has done. Engineering, design, quality/fit finish and overall concept is forward thinking and outstanding. The days are numbered for avgas engines. I don't like it, it's just the way it is. My Diamond would be a DA-62. Even at 1.8 - 2.0M I would choose that even over the Cirrus Vision Jet! Maybe some day!! 8) --gary

[@CraigLewis]

I noticed the oil filler door was not flush to the cowling and it was vibrating, this could pose a problem.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Hi Craig! Thanks for your comment! I noticed that in the edit as well. It might be though that this has been improved on the production models. Diamond did their testing and certification in this and they pointed out a couple of small details to me that have been implemented in the aircraft they sold to customers…

[@bmuns6445]

My dad is a retired Navy pilot and B777 captain. Growing up with a pilot dad opened up many exciting opportunities most kids don't get to experience. We flew his C172 from Chicago to TX and FL. He puts it on autopilot and takes a nap while I give it a little left rudder. I took flight lessons as a young kid but stopped after freaking out doing my stalls because I was a pussy. But I do like aviation. And loved sitting in my brothers F-15E seat.

[@Rodeo32145]

I haven’t heard the replacement cost of the diesel yet.

[@AV8R_1]

A few years ago, I was in the market for a faster single. I did a demo flight in a Cessna 400 TTX which I unfortunately missed out on when someone put a deposit on it only a few minutes after I finished the demo flight. Point of the story is I did a good amount of research and comparison and personally found the TTX to be a better aircraft than the Cirrus. Mostly because I didn't want a parachute. I have to admit though that the cirrus has a much better service network.

[@trigga31]

why wouldnt you want a parachute?

[@BrewdasDM7419]

I like the Evolution, except its tires are on the small side, also fuel capacity.

[@jamesscott9340]

I'd love to one day buy one but I don't think I'll ever afford it

[@enayetchowdhury105]

Garmin auto land and parachute would be awesome.

[@HotHatchSi]

For just the small price of all your arms and legs you might be able to own this!

[@ariksemagin7220]

Which headset do you use in a 777 ? Definitely not a Bose.

[@benjamindehr3179]

this video did not have enough lip smacking! I prefer a video with tons of that satisfying moist lip popping sound!

[@longreach207]

Happy to be 👍 #777! 🛫❤️

[@milonangele6611]

Sehr coole Maschine und schönes Video. Ich hatte gehofft das die Maschine ein bisschen schneller ist aber wenn man sie mal in echt sieht weiß man warum die keine 220 KTAS oder so schafft. Ein richtig großes Flugzeit auch im Vergleich zur Cirrus. Ich bleibe aber erst mal bei meiner Mooney mir wahrscheinlich halb so großer Kabine. 160 KTAS in FL100 bei 10 US GAL. und einem Einkaufspreis von deutlich unter 1. mio :)

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Hi! Danke für‘s Schreiben! Ja in punkto Speed sind die Mooneys tatsächlich unschlagbar!! Mit G1000 und De-Icing bleibt leider einfach viel zu wenig Useful load übrig… ich bin überzeugt dass Mooney sonst heute noch wesentlich mehr Flugzeuge verkaufen könnte 😔 Laut Medienmitteilungen ist das Hauptaugenmerk der neuen Eigentümer der Support der bestehenden Flotte und das Leergewicht der neuen Modelle durch Verwendung von Carbonteilen etwas zu reduzieren. Ich hoffe ich komme mal dazu selber eine zu fliegen 😃

[@carradean]

Real incecure on the SR hey...

[@momovuyisich8945]

Diamond made a huge mistake by not including a parachute. Without it, there is no comparison. Cirrus will continue to dominate the market until someone else comes out with a plane that can compete on performance AND have a parachute.

[@SpeedDemonExpress]

It looks like you can't see anything over the tall instrument panel.

[@JSH1515]

To be truly compelling it needs to win against Cirrus in at least two, preferably all of the following. Size of cabin, speed, useful load; I think it only takes a win presently in cabin size and ties in load. Diamond is so close……..come on diamond, win all three and make our choice easy!

[@adolfodelreyllaurado1145]

possibly, the DA50 is the most interesting single-engine aircraft today ...

[@WorldWiseTrade]

No way, practically speaking, better than a Cirrus SR22. Why? 1. It doesn’t fit in a standard T hangar so will you really leave $1 Mil parked on the ramp or pay $3K a month for a corporate hangar? 2. The diesels are economical (on fuel consumption) but finicky as hell, and try finding a mechanic that knows anything about them when you get a “no-go” CAS message in “K-NoWhere” USA. Truly a no-go for days. 3. Geared engines… overhaul that and there goes all your fuel savings plus some. 4. Retract is cool, but higher insurance premiums and swinging the gear on annuals again offset any perceived savings. As with all things, look at the numbers, for most missions the Cirrus can’t be beat, for convenience, reliability, hangaring, and training. Cirrus has an airline quality training program with hundreds of scenario based training videos, Diamond gives you a manual and wishes you good luck. I’ve owned several Diamond twins and several SR22’s, for most the Cirrus is a clear win and it is the most popular GA aircraft in the world for many reasons.

[@MAGApepe]

nice :))

[@coriscotupi]

If considering a single engine Diamond, I'd still go for the DA40 NG. I find it hard to justify the larger airplane size and higher fuel consumption of the much more powerful 300 hp engine of the 50, considering the performance of both airplanes. The smaller, lighter, less expensive to own and operate DA40 NG offers similar performance (at the cost of carrying one less passenger, which I find quite acceptable). In my opinion, the *DA40 NG* is the dream airplane.

[@ASWISSPILOT]

Thanks for your comment! The DA40NG is surely a nice plane as well!

[@iamthefatstig]

I believe the diesel engines were converted Mercedes engines. To date still one of the very few automotive engines to receive aircraft certification. Greatly modified from automotive use of course. Still a great achievement and proof of the robustness of the Benz powerplant.

[@micheljansen85]

True, and those diesels wherent the best ones merc offered either when it came to reliability. OM606 would be a bit heavy i guess. Did see a cessna 1.9TDI on youtube, so yeah.. 😂

[@TheReadBaron91]

The Austros were Mercedes, this is the continental CD series

[@Bill-NM]

Wasn't there a Lexus mo-gas engine put in something at some point?

[@Falcon52]

Well, if I win the lottery, I'd much rather have the DA50 RG than the Cirrus. It has been my dream since I saw it for the first time

[@GusHeck]

And yet so much more is possible... now go read the specs on the Evolution Piston 350... Half the price of a diamond 50RG, 60 kts faster, double the range, FL250, RVSM limited, ***pressurized*** and also single lever throttle (Almost FADEC). Sadly experimental though, and of course the uncertainty of a smaller company behind it. If evolution ever takes the next step, gets it certified, and takes good care of their customers, they'll absolutely crush the competition. Would be very interested in a flight characteristics comparison video RG50 vs SR22T vs the EVO-P350. All dream airplanes out of reach for most of course, but handling would be the remaining Q especially with the Lanceair prior models (IV-P) having a reputation for some difficulties there.

[@user-fy2sn9fs3f]

It's a 'big if' is it not!! Certification is a strenuous process and I'm guessing many GA pilot like me prefer to park our rear ends on a certified aircraft seat like on a Diamond or a Cirrus. For me I think the DA62 has a lot more to offer on paper than the DA50RG for a wider range of missions. But I do love how the DA50RG looks it has such a commanding presence.

[@GusHeck]

@@user-fy2sn9fs3f And bigger if now that it's been sold to JMB and they seem to be only advertising the turbine 750 variant... *sigh* Aye on the dream plane bit... not a chance I'd move up to something of these levels any time soon. Even if money were not an issue, there's the flight experience... I want to be 100% sure I am fully ready to fly a faster, more advanced plane before attempting any of these.

[@OleDiaBole]

Why is Shvarzeneger dubbing his voice?

[@cnchristopher257]

They should have an optional yoke fitting on this aircraft

[@LSC2001]

There was a time where I am from where most farmers had their own plane. The flying club was huge in our small community. Brand new Cessna 150’s , 172’s, Cherokee’s, etc. it never took a life savings amount of money to buy a new plane. Now this same group of people cannot afford new planes. Simply way out of reach. Very sad where the aviation industry has gone and it’s slowly dying because of it. In my opinion, these planes should be priced at a third of what they are.

[@pe66o]

How does the da52 rg compares to the da42 vi in terms of cost, price, range and payload?

[@Maniac742]

It costs more, it carries about the same, and it can't get nearly as far. The DA50RG is essentially a less capable DA62 that doesn't require a multi engine certificate. It also won't require you to rebuild 2 engines when overhaul time comes. As long as you don't need to go further than 700nm, the DA50RG is the easier option since multi engine training isn't cheap, but if you like sitting in a plane for 5 hours or more, you're better off with a Diamond twin.

[@pe66o]

@Maniac742, my question was about the da42 and not the da62...

[@Maniac742]

@@pe66o And it was answered.

[@NovemberMoore]

My dream plane is the pipistrel panthera

[@joeglennaz]

I actually let out an audible laugh when you said is it better than the Cirrus SR 22. I said oh yeah, way better!

[@brianbassett4379]

My "dream" plane is a high-performance high wing with retractable gear. A Cessna 210 Centurion will do just fine.

[@johnkim1114]

Insurance premium and requirement is just ridiculous, I was quoted just little over $100K per year insurance for DA50. Sure it's awesome plane, but insurance cost + maintenance cost more expensive than SR22T.

[@lloydfranks1357]

It looks so easy to fly. Does it come with a cloth interior? What is price point of each plane?