Watch me fly the FISK Arrival into Oshkosh

Fly along with me as I fly the FISK VFR arrival into Oshkosh for the EAA AirVenture airshow and Fly-in. I depart Madison and start the arrival at Endeavor Bridge, then merge into the conga line with other aircraft to eventually land on the runway at the airport.
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[@mtiffee]

This is a good example of how NOT to approach runway 36. You cut right across the ultralight pattern and through the shaded “DO NOT FLY” area as depicted on page 13 of the notice. The controllers aren’t talking to you before crossing the highway and you cut the corner in response to an instruction intended for someone else. This could’ve been a disaster if that ultralight pattern was full like it is many times during the day. If you really want to help people you should out a video highlighting this, as I saw a few pilots cut the corner like you did and it’s going to result in a mid-air one day.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

I appreciate the feedback on this. I've gone back over this more than a few times. The controller cleared me "direct to the purple dot" to "land on the yellow". He was asking me to cut the corner because of the large space between me and the Cessna ahead on the base for 36L. However, that gap was not as large as he anticipated - or the Cessna slowed on final more than expected, I think because I could see as I approached, that the gap was going to be tight. That's when the other controller jumped in an said "you're cutting the corner - land on the purple dot". I changed my aim point - but expected the go around at this point. I would never purposely cut the corner. I only did so at the instructions of the first controller.

[@mtiffee]

No the controller cleared the low wing Cherokee type before the Cessna who was south of the tower, not you. If you go back to 26:00 you’ll hear there was another low wing that was cleared down the east / west road “Cherokee type” then the Cessna, (cirrus sent NW to 27), then you. That instruction that you followed was intended for that Cherokee. Again, the typical place the tower will talk to you is as you’re crossing the highway or later. Not 1nm before the road when you can’t even see the painted circles yet. Why would he clear you to land before the Cessna in front of you? The first time the tower talked to you was as you crossed the road when he gave you the runway assignment. Then you surprised the controllers by cutting the corner, as noted by their surprise, and they called for the go around. I think the learning situation here is to be more aware of who you are following and listen to the progression of instructions down the line. (Low wing, Cessna, me, Mooney behind me) They will generally be in order. Second, the controllers are not going to vector you across the DO NOT FLY area and across another pattern of aircraft so if their instructions take you there, maybe it wasn’t meant for you, maybe ask for clarification. Page 13 is very clear to remain at 1800 and south of road N. The reason for that is the entrance to the ultralight pattern for arrivals is at 1,100 over that intersection and then north of the road N. So there can and will be planes flying under you at that intersection. The controllers won’t tell you to start down before that intersection and then have you cut through that pattern. I arrived in that pattern not long before you cut right through it that day.

[@mtiffee]

The “Cherokee” that was ahead of you was a warrior N2884X. I’m not trying to criticize, but you seem to be wanting to help people and are trying to set an example which I think is great but in this case is an example of what not to do and is a very dangerous approach. If people do what you did, there will be a mid-air with a plane in the ultralight pattern. If you want to teach people I think you need to highlight what you did wrong and explain why you shouldn’t fly there as I assume a lot of people don’t actually read the entire Notice and maybe aren’t aware of the pattern that is right next to them. I saw a handful of planes too low on base over the highway or over or north of road N while flying the pattern this year.

[@deepsky6281]

I’ll go back and take a closer look. I really do appreciate you pointing this out. You’re exactly right. I’m trying to show how to do things right and keep everyone safe. Good lesson learned here if you are right, that anyone can make a mistake even when trying to be very vigilant. I truly appreciate the feedback. I will definitely follow up with a video on this to break it down and analyze what I may have done wrong in this. I’m definitely willing to admit when I’m wrong. Thanks again for the feedback.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Where did you pull the tracking data from on this? I'd really like to take a closer look. FlightAware wasn't much help.

[@mikebailey7071]

No music just the details including the full Fisk arrival to shutdown! This is very helpful.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yeah, I hate when people add music… everyone has different taste… I’d rather have a little quiet and just the info. I’m really happy to hear that it was useful to you and others… that was the goal

[@blakecarlson4835]

Thank you for entering the arrival over the entry point (Endeavor) and not cutting the corner like I have had pilots do to me in 2022 and 2023 creating a spacing problem. And being proficient at flying even slower than 90kts when needed to maintain spacing. And having the right frame of mind for a busy Fisk approach that can throw you a curve. It can be hectic but there's nothing else like it😊.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you very much for all the compliments and great feedback. I try to do things the right way. Yeah just gotta be patient, considerate, and follow the rules on that arrival and it all works out… the journey to Oshkosh is half the fun… it’s a beautiful view on the arrival so gotta enjoy the view and we will all get there when we get there. Thanks again

[@bigdukeaviation]

You pulled right next to my hangar!!! The one with the door half open. Stop in for a drink next time and se the F-22s and F35s.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Love to take you up on the offer. Shoot me an email to [e-mail] with contact info and I’ll reach out the next time I’m in the area. Thanks

[@flyingmusician]

Really well done, especially with the go around! That looks like a lovely Arrow (Mooney, LOL!) that you have.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thanks very much. Yeah just completely gutted and installed new interior. Just finished it up in May. Smells like a new car inside. You can check out the process from start to finish on the channel… (although I haven’t uploaded the seat refurbish and install yet. Shoukd have that up to wrap up the reno next week PA-28 Piper Arrow Renovations Upgrades and Repairs kzbin.info/aero/PLPqnWxySNBHVYFrjWPSdMJ6h3NzZe704I

[@renevelez9444]

Great job. Staying overnight after long flight is good advice.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yes indeed! Thanks so much for watching hope you subscribe it would really help to get me to 1000 subscribers

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Yes staying icer nights reduces risk if jet wash insole all thing ext put out invasel jet wash top gun mkvie

[@pnkemp]

Fascinating view into EAA. Many thanks for sharing

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you very much for watching

[@peterrimmer567]

I really like your videos, it would be good to see your panel while flying

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you. Glad you like them… I totally agree. Definitely working in that. Thank you for the feedback

[@georgechalifour88]

I enjoyed the flight into Oshkosh best I have seen yet . The farm land beautiful from and airplane!

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it

[@Ergzay]

He wasn't talking to you at 29:30 at all... Though you probably realize that by now. He said "south of the tower" but you hadn't even crossed the highway yet to even get to "south of the tower". You cut the corner and then you probably cut off the guy in front of you causing you both to go around.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yeah, it was a little squirrelly, prior to that call he told me to fly direct to the purple dot and land on the yellow… I think he wanted to close up space between me and the Cessna I was following. But the Cessna flew a wide base and slowed on the turn to final so him telling me to cut the corner backfired. That when the other controller jumped in and said that I was cutting in and to now land on the purple. I saw it all coming so the go around wasn’t unexpected

[@Ergzay]

@@BlueSkyFlight I was talking about before that, from the moment you turned left away from the east-west road. That was the point that issues started. You apparently mistook a call directed at the aircraft in front of you as being directed at you. The call to fly direct to the purple dot was directed at probably the aircraft two aircraft in front of you. There was an aircraft right in front of you over the highway that got the call "start your descent" and another after that aircraft that was doing their base turn that got told to go to the purple dot. They don't tell people to go the dots when they haven't even crossed the highway yet. The first mistaken call was at 28:48 that was directed at someone else.

[@mtiffee]

He also cut straight across the ultralight pattern and into the shaded “DO NOT FLY” area. This could’ve been a disaster if that pattern was full and is an example of how NOT to approach runway 36.

[@deepsky6281]

Thank you both for this feedback. I’m definitely going to go back over this and put something out to point out where it appears I may have messed up. I want people to learn from my mistake and draw attention to the potential for disaster.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Please do me a huge favor and email me at [e-mail] with your contact info. I’m going over this to analyze exactly what happened so I can put out a video covering the error. Want to get feedback from you an a couple of others that are pointing this out. Want to show you guys the video first and talk through it to make sure we all see the same things and that we’ve got this right. I do take this all very seriously and want to share any errors with everyone on the channel.

[@RamonKnapp]

That was fun !! Great line. Great job. Staying overnight after long flight is good advice..

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Fun is exactly what it was. Looked forward to that trip all year and can't wait to do it again next year. Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you for watching and I hope you decide to subscribe to the channel.

[@micahatc]

Sorry, I called you a Mooney at Fisk. 💀 It’s hard to tell sometimes.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Not a problem at all! I could tell I was next. It’s really cool to connect like this. Thanks so much for watching. You guys all do an INCREDIBLE job!!!

[@micahatc]

@@BlueSkyFlight Thanks! It's the highlight of our year. Cheers! (Guess I called you a Cherokee too! lol)

[@smark1180]

There was a Mooney LV-HQD stalking him.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Shoot me an email at blueskyflight@outlook. com. Would love to connect with you guys next year to show everyone what you guys do in the ground.

[@garycooper4526]

Connie is prettest plane ever...

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yeah they did a beautiful job on the restoration too. Definitely a unique bird!

[@tedheath9018]

You have a good attitude.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you!

[@turninmonyin2noise978]

One more thing even at Fisk the controller was talking to a Mooney and you decided to take those directions. The controllers at Fisk know the difference between a cherokee type and a Mooney.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Please do me a huge favor and email me at [e-mail] with your contact info. I’m going over this to analyze exactly what happened so I can put out a video covering the error. Want to get feedback from you an a couple of others that are pointing this out. Want to show you guys the video first and talk through it to make sure we all see the same things and that we’ve got this right. I do take this all very seriously and want to share any errors with everyone on the channel.

[@dasimcoes]

Great job. Plan the flight, fly the plan.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Exactly

[@thnksno]

I camped in the row to your left by the fence for the brown building at 43:05

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Love it! Aviation is such a small community sometimes... Hope you had a great time as well.

[@paranoma87]

You're being given a Go-Around because you are turning WAY too late. You have to realize that the controllers are watching you and expecting a turn that does not need to be a steep turn at 200'. When you do not turn a normal rate turn then you are turning late and thus making them call a Go-Around.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

I was planning to land on the yellow dot (half way down the runway) but at the last minute they told me to land on the purple (beginning of the runway). That’s why the steep turn. But I figured the go around was coming because I saw the spacing with the Cessna I was following was too close.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Wrong adding baf air jet wash

[@jp4163]

Awesome video. Thanx for sharing with us. I want to take my Arrow to attend next year.......so when did you start planning for the trip? Can you show us your gear you've brought with you on the plane? Food, water, tent and so on. Also, let us know what you wish you would have brought with you. Thanx again!

[@BlueSkyFlight]

So I made a list about a week out to make sure I didn’t forget anything… and I didn’t but… I did grab what I thought was my airplane cover.., turns out it was just the engine cowling cover. Whoops… at least I got it to cover the windshield with the clever use of bungee cords. I’ll make a quick video recapping the trip or something and include the stuff to bring in that. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@NC5B]

I just saw you departing Oshkosh on 27. Have a good flight home.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

That’s really cool…. Any chance you grabbed a picture?

[@femler]

Thanks for sharing this incredible approach to Oshkosh 👍

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yeah it was so much fun… I’m really enjoying sharing my flight experiences in the channel. Just started it a couple months ago, but it’s really enjoyable. I hope you subscribe, thank you very much for the feedback

[@Flying2ZC]

I was running google maps along with your flight which was quite satisfying and great for sit awareness. defo exciting approach especially when you got a go a round. I could tel you enjoyed it. I would :-) Enjoyed this so thanks. UK based but have flown from Daytona, Fort pierce around the Bahamas a few years back. this is defo on our list. And yes you are a geek. 😀. Your tips are spot on and make complete sense.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Wow, thanks for all the compliments. Yeah it’s so much fun flying into Oshkosh. I look forward to it all year. Sun-n-fun in Lakeland FL is a similar arrival, but not nearly as busy. Is a very fun week there too, but no where near the scale of OSH. Thanks again for watching. Please share

[@chuckhiggins15]

Thank you for your air to osh kosh, This retired Air Force, FAA A&P never been, however, many of my owners have, and they enjoyed the trip. Don't care much in the air, Spent over 3500 + crew in WB- 29's, Korean war, leave the sky to yall.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you sir for your service! My father was also in Korea and Vietnam in the Air Force. Load master on the 123, C-130, 141 and C-5 - Retired as a Master Sergeant after 28 years. I'm very happy to hear that you enjoyed the video - I'll try to keep good stuff coming out. I've also got some videos on the channel covering the interior renovation that you might like - happy for your feedback on those from your A&P perspective.

[@bobwilson758]

Don’t forget the urinal bottles ! No shet …

[@BlueSkyFlight]

LOL…

[@scottsmith7051]

Awesome video, beautiful airplane, new sub!

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you so much! Welcome to the channel!

[@gsp-greenstripepilot9508]

You know you’re not ready to fly to Osh when you stay puckered just watching the video! Well done sir!

[@BlueSkyFlight]

LOL 😂… it really just comes down to preparation… read and be familiar with the arrival so you know what to expect, know how to comfortably fly slow and land on your aim point, and then just be patient and follow the guy in front of you… give it a try next year and we’ll see you up there. Thank you for watching

[@observer1242]

Are the arrow and the Dakota comparable in terms of cruising speed?

[@BlueSkyFlight]

I’m cruising right now at about 135 k indicated at 6500… I think they are similar.

[@moserman1]

That was fun !! Great line😂😂😂😂👍

[@BlueSkyFlight]

It really was fun… I love flying into here. Always ready for anything. Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@skliros9235]

Interesting video. Thanks. Never knew this gathering existed.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Well I’m really glad that you found out now. If you’re into aviation, this is definitely a bucket list item to experience. Hope you make it up there to one of them. It’s usually the last week of July every year. I believe 2024 will run from July 22-28. Thanks for watching

[@chrisc161]

Did not see the video. No notifications. On this one yes but not the other one. Thanks for sharing.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Not sure why the notification didn’t work…. Sorry about that. Here’s a link to it though… thank you very much for watching. How to Fly to Oshkosh 2023 Airventure SAFELY kzbin.info/www/bejne/b56lapuFmsx3f7c

[@rn2811]

This is why I prefer to fly into FLD so much easier.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Yeah but for me the arrival is half the fun. I fly IFR all day for work.. boring:) Thanks for watching

[@Newdaypestcontrol]

nice landing

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you very much!

[@xheralt]

Annoyed that the line cutter appears to have gotten away with it.

[@BlueSkyFlight]

He’s not really cutting.. if your aircraft can’t fly the 90 knots you’re allowed to fly at 2300 and 130 knots and then they will bring you down at Fisk… however it supposed to be for aircraft that physically are unable the 90 knots… I’ve flown a lot of hours and previously instructed in a Cirrus… just like I did, with flaps it’s doable. The guys on the ground at Fisk know that as well, so if it’s tight when they get to Fisk, they’ll just make them go back to endeavor and start again. All that said, however, maybe this pilot based on their level of proficiency is just not comfortable at 90, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on that and just assume they were doing what felt safe to them.

[@skylane1829]

Sweet 👍👏🏻

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you so much! Happy you enjoyed the video

[@rockeyroy1]

great Job

[@BlueSkyFlight]

Thank you very much!

[@mickmolloy5964]

N102DW was the Cirrus ............

[@BlueSkyFlight]

That’s ok. Maybe he just didn’t feel safe at 90 knots. I’ll try to assume the best.