We just bought an abandoned boat project

We just bought a 56ft wooden Trawler in the Netherlands!
It was abandoned and left ashore for many years. And now it is a big project boat.
Originally it was built as fishing vessel for Belgium. When it dropped out of fishery it was converted into a dream sailing yacht, but never finished.
Now we bought it and have to figure out what to do with this historic wooden boat.
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[@FlyingConey]

Please have in mind that we bought the boat and we already put a lot of work into it. So we can't give it away for free. But we can hand it over for the resale value of the engine and the bronze parts and we can help you to bring the boat back into the water. So if you feel crazy today contact us at [e-mail]

[@MillionDollarTrawler]

I really want to but feel also the need to stay married. GOOD LUCK! ^__^

[@peacefulhiker5711]

I have quite a bit of wooden boat experiences. It's been out of the water way to long and will definitely rot once it's back in the water. The whole thing needs to be glassed over to save it and that will cost a fortune. I say scrap it. Just ask around and you'll see. Sorry. Sorry

[@KZ-wk4xb]

@@peacefulhiker5711 what happens when they are out of the water for awhile? i was looking at a 26ft wood boat for free. looks pretty good but has been out of the water for a few years.. why do they rot once back in the water?

[@FlyingConey]

The plank seams still look okay in my opinion and the hull was still holding the bilge water. Glasfiber or in this size range concrete could be an option but I would at least try to do an old fashioned re caulking. There are experienced shipyards around specialized on wooden workboats. I've seen boats in far worse condition.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

​@@peacefulhiker5711 There are those that will disappear agree and it's often fresh rainwater that causes the rot problem . Ship happens aka saving Sarinda was in a far worse state than this boat. ..and there's a guy working on an old lifeboat that was a Dunkirk rescue ship ..the Duchess. I really hope someone can take this on.

[@user-rc5zb9qv3z]

I really admire those of you who rescue or restore old items, such as cars, houses, furniture, toys, tools or boats. Workmanship in the past was always of higher quality, making older objects worthy of preservation.

[@AndrewJackson-mf5qp]

Well done saving that wooden ship. At a glance it looks really really good so I hope someone will take it on as a project.

[@StephenWhiteVA]

With so much labor needed to get its mechanicals, rigging and hull back into working condition, I definitely feel like the wooden trawler would best serve as a parts boat for Flying Coney. Especially, considering the exorbitant cost of materials these days and how much time, labor and money you would save by moving over its bronze work, ready-made interior and deck hatches. Not to mention the money you could make selling the trawler engine and any remaining equipment that you guys don't need, which could also go straight back into FC.

[@FlyingConey]

It's true that we would make more money scraping the boat and selling on the parts we don't need. But it's a lovely boat and I think it deserves to be rescued.

[@user-lb2gg2gt2g]

Iron fasteners , electrolysis, fresh water in ... Can't be trusted ...

[@FlyingConey]

The boat was in salt water for most of the time.

[@hammerman47]

Jan Koning III looks in remarkable condition...especially the interior of the hull as seen from the engine compartment... it would be a tragedy to scrap such a fine old boat. I am in Australia If I were in Europe and not an old 75-year-old sailor I would take the restoration on in an instant..... don't let this one slip by people, a young healthy couple could make this boat an Ideal home and adventure machine. It's too far for me but SOMEONE please save this boat, I am sure it will give many decades of service in the future if saved.

[@1425race]

You are absolutely right. The size, condition and quality of work of that timber is the best reason why it has to be saved. You only have to look at the years of work that Ben and MP put into their schooner Yaba to know that this vessel could be restored in a much shorter time and probably for half the cost.

[@deanmills5106]

I love all the beautiful woodwork on that ship. If I were younger I'd love to tackle such a project.

[@Harry-bh5dg]

Really nice to see the donor boat, if the interior can be put into Fling Coney it would look great but what fits in one boat probably won't go into another

[@FlyingConey]

Fortunately people don't scale done. So a bunk will always be about 2 meter long. But yes, a lot of the wood would go to waste.

[@SavingMaverick55]

Thank you for saving that old wooden boat. She's in better shape than my 1962 wooden boat. If I wasn't on the other side of the Atlantic and wasn't already restoring an old wooden boat, I'd happily take her on. Hopefully, someone like me who lives over there will take the project on. I see absolutely no reason why that boat should or could not be restored. Absolutely beautiful vessel.

[@sprezzatura8755]

Gorgeous boat. If you love her and commit to her she will reward you 100 fold.

[@derekmills5394]

I do hope you find someone mad enough to restore JKIII. She looks remarkably sound and a good scrub would have much of the interior back to perfect. Re-caulking is a must, the propeller can be repaired. Replace a few boards here and there - some may not even be critical to making her seaworthy again as a motor sailer.

[@robertgold2643]

I love that you see multiple options for the wooden ship, there’s pros and cons to scrapping and saving tho I am hoping someone finds her through your channel and saves her as she is🙏

[@garyjarvis2730]

It would be almost criminal to break up this boat. I do hope someone tries to save her. As to the propeller, it can actually be saved if you know how to braze and I've had a seen props in much worse condition brought back to new condition. Oh bye the way, you obviously have a serious addiction to boats that need lots of attention. Not a bad way to go.

[@ermiswelsch304]

Reminds me of Tally Ho :)

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you! This one is 56ft, Tally Ho is 48ft. But the attention to detail in some aspects really is quite similar. Interestingly as a fishing trawler the Jan Koning and Flying Coney looked quite similar as well and also Tally Ho was at one point a commercial fishing vessel named Escape. So yes, fishing vessels can be very beautiful sailing boats.

[@GoPoundSalt]

Tally Ho, the only remaining part of it is half the ballast, everything else is brand new :)

[@B.r.i.a.n.1]

​@GoPoundSalt don't forget about the transom and the saloon table. Lol

[@GoPoundSalt]

@@B.r.i.a.n.1 excelent :)

[@brian.7966]

I have to say I am shaking my head in disbelief in you buying this other Boat,

[@FlyingConey]

It was a reasonable decision and we've made a lot of considerations before we bought her.

[@skaraborgcraft]

Its a good doner vessel. Time and material cost to make a full interior.....they are paying cents on the dollar. Will be sad to see a good hull meet the chainsaw though. None of them live forever.

[@FlyingConey]

It's a bit shocking to be hones how little value wood has. There are large oak and tropical hardwood timbers used in this boat. Before we bought it the plan even was to melt down all the bronze parts. Then, if you need it, you pay hundreds of dollars for this items but when you sit on them it's hard to find a buyer.

[@brian.7966]

@@FlyingConey I appreciate your reply. I wish you both no harm. I was only thinking hat money could have gone toward your little ship. I have been following you from the start and always give a thumbs up. good luck to you both.

[@allenclark1914]

Thank you for such a wonderful video.

[@ehofman7636]

Its a beautiful boat I hope you find somebody for her.👌👍

[@matswilliams1058]

😮😬😅 Woaw you guyes are not afraid of work and responsability! Well done!

[@FlyingConey]

For some reason boats have a tendency of accumulating. We have now six.

[@TheDenman516]

Location for me is the killer. I would love to have this but being in the USA, I would need to have it here. Looks like exactly what I have been looking for.

[@franshuber910]

Go-to sneek!! It's a gorgeous place.. that boatsnis in fine condition. I would have that sailing in 6 months! Unbelievable something soo good is considered for scrap.. what's wrong with people!! All these no nothing so called experts saying it's so much Work. It's not.. rebuilding frames and planks and keelsoms thats a lot of work.. this just needs a good scrape and paint.. and the rig put back. It's got a bloody new engine. And a Perkins!!

[@dcallan812]

Grat looking boat, such a shame shes fallen into disrepair. I hope someone can save her. 2x👍

[@FlyingConey]

Not really disrepair. Just a small problem that somehow escalated. But I would say with a little bit of extended wooden boat maintenance this boat can be rescued. But it's still a 56ft wooden boat. For size comparison, Tally Ho is 48ft.

[@frankbrown9618]

@@FlyingConey Tally Ho has became a true benchmark within the sailing community... 🤓 Ciao da Milano!

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - Funny, I was thinking exactly of Tally Ho as you gave us the tour of this boat. Would love to see that kind of restoration on JKIII

[@dcallan812]

@@FlyingConey true, she is not too bad once you dig a bit deeper, her last owner must be very unhappy with the legal outcome. Thanks for sharing her story and for attempting to save her.

[@briansmythe3000]

Classic Wish i Was a few Decades Younger , Great Motor , Every thing is There , Either Way You Guys will give it a new Lease of life , Even if it is too Fit out Coney

[@dewaynemccamey5103]

I love the old wooden boat. I love the flying comey . The history is awesome . I think your beautiful Barbara do you have a sister .😊

[@Seafariireland]

It’s a beauty and must be restored and sailed on the ocean. A prayer for success for this fine and stout lady!

[@woosh073]

I can't wait for the next episode

[@LLA533]

I think u should keep the donor boat and use it for your boat because wooden boats are very expensive to save and finding the right person well it’s very hard to find use the donor boat and make your boat better

[@Kosty19]

You became admirals now commanding a fleet! 😀 Seriously, same with old airplanes: It always comes down to someone willing to put in the money and the work.

[@FlyingConey]

Commodore Daniel 😎

[@PublicMixHardworking1]

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[@tonydownunder5703]

Good video guys 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@DrZippo01]

Hmmm.. Wonderware it would take for her to make it to the Great Lakes in North America.

[@robertmaloney2255]

What a beautiful boat

[@FlyingConey]

Thank you very much!

[@ozenfant_ozn]

beautiful interior!

[@MrJeep75]

Gorgeous boat, be a shame to rip it apart

[@richardcovell1707]

I just saw this posted on the Tally Ho thread. Good for you guys!!!

[@FlyingConey]

Thanks and glad you made it to this channel!

[@stephenburnage7687]

The realty is that very, very, few old wooden boats are special enough to justfy the huge amount of time and expense to refurbish it. For me it would have to have a unique history (such as the Cutty Sark or performed a special role in one of the major wars). Alternatively, a unique engine, such as steam, would justify its retention. Otherwise, you have to view wooden boats as having a finite life. Good luck to you, though.

[@FlyingConey]

It's one of the last existing wooden Belgian trawlers. The design is way more seaworthy than the Danish and German ones since it was built for the open North Sea. Since it was built relatively late it can be described as the best of the best of wooden trawler building. In many regards she's quite similar to the Cutty Sark who also was built too late for the Clipper era.

[@sparkeyjones6261]

As much as I love wooden sailing yachts, it looks like maintaining it even after a full refit could be a fulltime job.

[@FlyingConey]

That's the scary thing. This boat underwent a mayor refit from 1998 until 2020.

[@iainbrooks6558]

It must be worth contacting the UK vloggers "Ship Happens", they're a remarkable husband & wife team and bonkers enough to take something like this on, not least because they're probably down to only 3 or 4 boats at the moment.

[@FlyingConey]

They already have a very beautiful boat with a rich history. But on the other hand the Jan Koning III is in far better condition than Sarinda. The question is, how many non operational boats one needs?

[@kevinmartin3859]

Good luck with whatever you do with the would to e nice to see it saved as one piece but as donar boat for cloney i agree as well lot of potential 😊😊

[@captianbadtouch5767]

I wish I had the capital and skills to fix such a lovely vessell

[@normanboyes4983]

Well done - this is a great idea and would be wonderful if you could find a like minded ‘saviour’ for this vessel.😀👍⛵️

[@kimroberts155]

Madness. Looks nailsick, strip it and scrap it .

[@jonart9160]

If I win the lotto soon i will buy and restore it to the beauty it is.

[@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204]

cool vid nice build whe done thanks four the vids you do

[@jeffreynelson3294]

It sounds like you are trying to convince yourselves more so than potential buyers. Wish I had the knowledge, skill and money to buy it but alas I wouldn’t have the first clue about what or how needed to be done. Good luck.

[@sailnattie]

Thanks for sharing this fine vessel. The iron root in the planks from the fastener S is showing and is the kiss of death unfortunately. The frames all look great from the inside of the vessel it’s the middle of the frame that is rotting. As for the engine it’s been sitting a long time by the sounds of it. And is too small for your vessel. Get a good crew and share the secrets of dissembling this vessel.

[@scottsorby7966]

Have you thought that you may have a boat buying problem? 😂😂 Nice job saving another old boat, even if she becomes an investment for spare parts its the thought that counts

[@FlyingConey]

We try our best to find someone willing to refit her. But we're not responsible that she ended up on the hard. Boat buying problem? I just have six at the moment. Call me Commodore 😎

[@scottsorby7966]

@@FlyingConey 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@henryganzer4685]

in live far away from the sea and do not know anything about ships and the sea but the Interieur with all the wooden builds looks very beautiful

[@FlyingConey]

It is a nice interior. I've seen old photos of the boat and until recently there was about 100 000€ worth of bronze in the boat. A lot of it is unfortunately robbed.

[@henryganzer4685]

@@FlyingConey that is a sad story

[@FlyingConey]

Since also the name plates and other items of emotional value were robbed we assume that the previous owner was the one cutting his losses. But indeed a very sad story.

[@dont-want-no-wrench]

i like it

[@fonhollohan2908]

I agree with you If the boat doesn't get saved, definitely see if you can use that interior in your boat if all possible. It would take a lot of work, if it's done right, but it would spectacular in your boat. I would do it, If I were in your shoes. Nevertheless I hope you find someone to restore the boat she's in great shape really and wouldn't need a massive amount of work, I've seen folks repair must worst boats that this beauty, that's for sure.

[@RobertSkene-qw3ob]

Buy a boat! Spend your money! Float the boat! You and your honey ! Sail away and spend mo money ! You and yo honey!! Proud Poet!🇨🇦😂

[@sethbarnes7608]

Some people rescue cats, and some people rescue boats, the difference is that boats smell better!😂😂 seriously tho, you guys are awesome, and whatever happens with that boat, she definitely fell into good hands.

[@frankbrown9618]

This is definitively a boat with a long life span ahead. Her shape is nice, her structure seems solid. C'mon ladies and gentlemen, take your courage and get this beauty in your hands!

[@FlyingConey]

Well said!

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - This is a project for young people. I'm 40 years past my use-by date so I'll have to live this vicariously. Good luck.

[@cowsdude]

4:54 " not saying this is beyond repair" I am dying

[@austingode]

It would make a great houseboat

[@BrunoWiebelt]

... take all you need and let it go...

[@sallyb3]

Gorgeous donor boat 🎉

[@dustoff1472]

If you use as a donor, the parts you don’t use such as the motor, etc can be sold to help restore your boat. Enjoying the channel. Tks for sharing.

[@franshuber910]

Please don't start pulling shit of this boat!! It's way too nice! Someone will take it on. Start putting it back together, and advertising it. Soon enough someone will come to take it. Picking the good stuff of it is sacrilege. It's wrong in such a.basic deep way of disrespect..don't..

[@franshuber910]

I know you love yr steel ship. Hut the koning is a way nicer boat. It would actually sail pretty good. Not rust. It would be easier to manage as a couple. Size wise. 17 mtr is still massive though. But this thing u can take around the world sailing.. I don't see that happening on the old steel ship u have.. that's never made to sail. At best it will be a motor sailor. But ud allwasy have the engine going, unless maybe in 25 knots from behind. And also allways fighting rust..

[@FlyingConey]

Hi Frans. I can see you really fell in love with the Jan Koning and we do our best to find someone to rescue the boat. But in all fairness everything except the engine would've been gone by now. Molten down and destroyed. We really try to find someone but we do have a deadline and we need time to rescue at least parts. Facts need to stay facts. Flying Coney is the far better sailing ship than Jan Koning. The designer worked in the Scottish yards that built the Clipper ships and he adopted a sailing ship hull for an engine. Flying Coney in particular was further improved with a sharp logger bow. The Jan Koning on the other hand was solely designed as a motor trawler. The rig was designed for easy handling and it makes a great motor sailor. But Flying Coney will outperform the Jan Koning on all courses to the wind.

[@TheSalMaris]

You can always do as what's been done in the past--Push it up on a beach , burn it, salvage metal parts. It's simple..

[@skaraborgcraft]

That is a wonderfull hull shape for a voyaging yacht. But, looking at that prop, a few hull fastenings would need to be pulled, it looks like the prop is wasting before the zinc, so a bonding issue. Many old trawlers up here in Sweden got fibreglassed for another decade or 2 of life, but then rot from the inside. The timbers look in remarkle good condition, and "bleeders" from fastenings is not uncommon and not always the kiss of death. Generous of you to offer her as she is, that is some nice handcrafted interior. Too bad i do not have a bunch of crazy friends.

[@FlyingConey]

To be honest, judging the fasteners is beyond my knowledge about wooden boats. Since the engine isn't connected it could be that the prop is still from fishing days and the owner was looking for a suitable replacement. So we don't know for how long it's looking like that or if the Perkins really needs a 120cm prop.

[@skaraborgcraft]

@@FlyingConey Point taken, could have been like that for an age. Perkins will need a big reduction in the box to spin a prop that size.A friends 6cyl 120hp throws only a 50cm prop. Its short notice for a project that size, but hopefully the stars will align for the benefit of all involved. You might get lucky where someone might actually want to start from an empty hull, that would be a win-win.

[@flatworm00]

This should be interesting

[@dadejazzba402]

Get a chain saw.

[@FlyingConey]

Ah, a steel boat guy.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - Made me laugh out loud! Thanks.

[@stephenburnage7687]

Are you plannng on openng a museum?

[@capitainejosephblackjobart2577]

Is sad that you are in uk cause here in Québec i have some place and time to make this ship back but its to far :(

[@FlyingConey]

We are in The Netherlands but that doesn't make a difference seeing it from Quebec.

[@allaboutboats]

You should follow the example of what Steve did on "Acorn to Arabella" where he obtained the old "Victoria" sailboat and cut her up to use the parts for fitting out his new boat Arabella. A lot of those handcrafted parts, such as that butterfly hatch would be incredibly expensive to make new. This way, the old vessel will "live on" so to speak, as part of Flying Coney. Plus it would help you to keep your focus on the most important vessel, Flying Coney. I have been involved in another organization where the vessel owner ruined the group of volunteers he had gathered by spreading out the restoration efforts into too many different vessels, and in doing so lost all of his volunteers. Confining the main push of your efforts to the original vessel helps keep your support and is better in the long run for the Flying Coney. In my case, many folks expressed their dis-satisfaction whenever the owner found a brand new "bright shiny object" into which he placed all of his efforts (at the expense of the other vessels) every new year. It became very depressing and most of the volunteers just quit in disgust. Another unrelated question: How long are you going to wait before you place the new lettering on the bow for the Name of Flying Coney? The old hand drawn lettering is looking pretty tired.

[@FlyingConey]

I answer your last question first: As soon as we find a place were we're allowed to grind and can put on new paint. We already have the newly printed name. Yes, our initial idea was quite similar to what Stive did with Victoria. But since the condition is better than expected I think it's our duty to at least try to find someone who can handle such a project. Since there is a deadline we will start transferring the usable equipment and interior quite soon. We're not switching projects and our focus is on Flying Coney. There was already enough destruction on this channel so even if we have to salvage the interior our focus will be on how we build it into Coney and not how we rip it out. Just thinking about ripping it out hurts a little bit.

[@SantaFelice]

@@FlyingConey good plan, at least tryed, but no shame in chopping that up i think

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

What a sad state to be in for so great a boat . first step address the outer hull Issues .She's in good condition overall .If it were mine I would put her back into shape as a motor powered vessel to start with as she started out .doing that would give you options of ,selling it or keeping it and converting it back to sail . Why do these great opportunities come along when i'm flat broke . I hope and pray someone else see's what i see hear and saves this fine boat

[@FlyingConey]

I'm glad you share our opinion on the condition of the hull. Indeed she would do fine as a motor vessel. Maybe even with a wheelhouse. But parts of the rig are there and in good condition.

[@LoganJohnson-lm2bh]

@@FlyingConey Certainly A good boat .the best outcome would be you get something you need from her and someone else will buy her from you and make her there own a win win for all .

[@kapkone]

I think you should reuse the interior

[@Zetsucat]

If the interior is to your liking id say strip it and take it for yourself. Its sad to see it go but as a project it only works for someone without a job.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@Zetsucat - Without a job, yes. And with deep pockets.

[@FlyingConey]

If you do it yourself. But if you're willing to spend 70k you could also hire someone to do the work.

[@wickedcabinboy]

@@FlyingConey - $70k *_is_* my definition of deep pockets.

[@Nerd3927]

I 'd say part her out as soon as possible. Redoing her would be hard and painful for the optimistic new owners. There is a bit of value in all the parts, but so much more character that can live on on Flying Coney. And that Engine should sell pretty nicely for a bit of cash. Most value is however is in the timbers.

[@SavingMaverick55]

That's what all the naysayers said when I got my boat that's in far worse shape and started a full restoration. Nothing is impossible, especially if it's made from wood. The stuff literally grows on trees.

[@geoffroberts1126]

I'd say that they neglected to put sacrificial anodes on it and that's led to electrolytic destruction of the prop etc. Other metal that is underwater is probably also affected.

[@FlyingConey]

Interestingly the anode directly at the prop is still in place. Since the engine and the gearbox is new maybe the prop was due to be exchange. In her fishing times she had a huge ABC Diesel engine and the prop has the same size as Flying Coney. So the prop might be from that time as well.

[@geoffroberts1126]

@@FlyingConey Ok, the other possibility is that the ground wiring to the anodes wasn't done right, or has succumbed to damage or corrosion. Only time I've ever seen that level of pitting on a prop was when the anodes hadn't been replaced for some years or the ground harness was missing or broken.

[@tmacbees902]

fantastic - gosh, what will the 3rd project be ? lol. Can you post details of the mini water pump attachment at minute 7:03 please.

[@FlyingConey]

Thats an ordinary and inexpensive drill pump. We're using the wrong hoses and that makes handling the pump a bit more challengenging. It's quite amazing how long improvised and not optimal solutions keep being used.

[@tmacbees902]

@@FlyingConey many thanks. may your projects complete fully, swiftly and be affordable!

[@greglight3745]

What’s impressive is the amount of money it’s going to take

[@FlyingConey]

Boats are expensive, that's no secret. But boats like the wooden trawler are usually priced above 100 000k. It would take less then 50k to bring it back to live. It depends on your financial background if that's an impressive amount of money or a big opportunity.

[@greglight3745]

I’d be ok with 50k as long as it doesn’t become 500 K and several years like Yaba in Brazil

[@FlyingConey]

That's the point if the condition would be that bad I wouldn't worry about scraping the boat. Then it's gone, we could take off what is still usable and so the boat lives on in its parts. But in this case it's a bit of accumulated maintenance over the course of 5 years. Noting severe. I had a boatbuilder and a potential buyer here and both estimated the repair costs at about 20-30 000€. For me it's a bit sad that people are willing to invest in quite new boats in far worse condition and without any history. I'm sitting on one of the last wooden Belgian Trawlers still existing, built to a high standard and restored in 1998 and I can't find someone who takes over the hull at a symbolic 1€.

[@typxxilps]

I just bought a fleet of boats and want to start ... not just 1 boat full of problems now a second one full of another set of problems and I bet you might wanna do an engine swap ?

[@FlyingConey]

Our engine is about twice the size so no engine swap. One of our problems is a missing interior. You might can guess were we can find one...

[@Morrisfactor]

Well that is certainly an interesting old boat, and I hope someone saves her. I think the biggest problem a new buyer faces is that for some reason ($$$) the original builder used galvanized nails for the planking and they are now rusted out, hence the streaks dripping down the hull. The boat needs those old nails pulled out (but they often break, so that is no easy job, as they sometimes have to be drilled out and the holes refilled with wood/epoxy mush) and the planks refastened with oversize bronze screws. The big question - if the builder cut corners by using galvanized nails for the planking, did he do the same for the main keel, stern, and bow stem layups? If so, those should also be refastened with bronze bolts. That won't be easy... And, the new owner will have to recork the bad seams which means stripping out the defective stuff down to bare wood and starting over. This will be huge job and require a covered shop and most likely several years of rebuilding, but what a magnificent boat one might have when finished.

[@FlyingConey]

Your comment shows me that you have a lot of experience with wooden boats and yachts. The Jan Koning III was built as a workboat and they used different materials and methods. Luckily there is yard specialized on wooden workboats not too far away. But if the boat was built with galvanized nails I wouldn't use bronze fasteners. The mix could lead to stray currents. The rust run downs are a common issue on these boats and I wouldn't worry too much about it. But I would recommend a surveyor with experience on these kind of boats. You're definitely right that it isn't an easy project. The prop alone has a scrap! value of about 1000€. It will be a challenge to find a reasonable priced replacement and of course the boat needs to be re caulked. 4 professionals 4 days.

[@Morrisfactor]

@@FlyingConey - I have indeed built some wood boats back in the seventies and eighties (37' cutter and 42' ketch) plus repaired wood boats in Alaska and Puget Sound. Rust weeping is a rather serious symptom where the galvanizing has disappeared and the remaining nail is corroding away. By the time rust is seen weeping down the planks, the nails are often just skinny imitations of their original size. I would not go to sea in such a boat unless it has been refastened. You are correct that galvanized and bronze fasteners should not be mixed - all of the plank fasteners should be replaced with just one type of fastener (I think bronze - if you are going to do the job, do it with a metal that will last a century instead of a couple of decades).This old trawler is rather spectacular and worthy of being rebuilt. I sure hope someone steps up and can save it. Cheers!

[@lauchlanguddy1004]

must be bronze and good bronze, not chinese "bronze" '

[@Morrisfactor]

@@lauchlanguddy1004 Ha, yes you are correct. My wood boat building was done many decades ago and we did not have to worry about poor quality bronze back then. Heck, I have bronze bolts and nails pulled from clipper ships sunk in the 1870s to 1920s which are completely solid, marred by just a beautiful patina, and could be used today. But I have heard the horror stories of brass seacocks being installed more recently which have corroded away within a few years.

[@lizlawrence4553]

Any form of restoration you cannot be totally sentiment, donor parts from another vessel bring the costs down. If this gives you're first vessel a future then scrapping is not a bad thing. As parts can be used. This is what real restoration is all about, using donor parts. Then getting rid of what you don't need to another person or breaking it for scrap

[@pmnfernando]

not a single image or photo of the area that has been submerged for years with fresh water. you point out to the topsides and say: this boat is in was better shape than we expected. from the outside it was clear the presence of some rust streaks, some higher up but the majority below the water line, meaning that you might have some kind of iron/metal sickness into those parts. then you have a fella saying that the hull is fine because it was holding up all that rain water inside: well of course it is because it keeps the planks swollen thus not leaking, but since it fresh water and on the wrong side of the planks guess what that will do in terms of promoting rot. it would be cheaper to rebuild anew from plans than to restore this boat. restoring this boat is possible, anything is possible if you throw enough money at it and Tally Ho clearly proves this, at the same time Tally Ho is lightning in a bottle because a lot of volunteering happening in the beggining, YT and Patreon kicked off and bank rolled the rest, that kind of situation donest happen often, and im sorry this boat doesnt have the same pedigree, in the slightest. sell the parts, get the money, salvage the bits that can be used for your own, and already tremendously expensive project

[@FlyingConey]

First of all there are at least two shots from the bilge in the video. One when I put the hose from the drill pump into it and second to show that the transmission isn't connected to the driveshaft. You have to take my word for it that the wood is oily but solid and I couldn't spot rot. If someone is interested I always offer to make specific photos on demand.The timbers are still solid. Rainwater in a wooden boat isn't great and with the prop and the rust rinse down it should be obvious that there might be some issues. I personally think this boat can be brought back to live with a budget of 30-40 000 and no, a new 56ft wooden boat can't be built with that amount of money.

[@pmnfernando]

@@FlyingConey anyone that knows even a little bit about boatbuilding knows that the cost is ALWAYS in the gear and equipment you will want to put on the boat, not in the build of the hull itself, which is what i was refering to. you can build a a 56 ft HULL on 30-40k, if its you doing the work, resourcefull and intelligent. (i, personally, im intelilggent enough to stay well below the 50 feet mark as the price of any equipment just shoots exponentially, but to each its own) there is a thing about boats: we all misjudge ther amount of time it will take to get it done. that boat represents not only a hefty money investment as it will chain somebody to it for entire years. again drawing from the Tally Ho example, 7 years till they splashed last week, and its stiil not entirely finished. granted that Tally ho is a full rebuild but the sheer amount of ppl that actively worked on that boats reduced the timeframe in, at least, 10 years, had Leo been on its own or with the odd volunteer. it would have taken him 15 years + to achieve the product he now has.

[@FlyingConey]

I don't know why you think it's just a hull. The more expensive equipment is still in place. Engine, tanks, rudder hydraulic, driveshaft and a bronze anchor windlass that came with a 5k price tag. The problem with any wooden hull is that repairs can be costly. But again, we're not talking about a rebuild project here. 20-30k in 2-4 months and you have a great seaworthy vessel you could sell on at more than 100k.

[@pmnfernando]

@@FlyingConey it seems that you havent been deep enough on your primary project to understand that: once you start messing with stuff that has been sitting still, out of habit. for decades, you will end up having to do a lot more than the initial observations revealed. And i know this because im also doing a full refit on 1962 VdS Pioneer 9, a grp boat, so i can extrapolate "educately" about the challenges of doing the same to a similar standard but on a wooden boat. And my standard is: a one person, go-anywhere, boat. And whilst that wooden boat might not be a one person go anywhere one, having that as a standard ensures (or at leas it should), that whatever is done, is done with a "future maintenance" mindset in place, meaning that whatever maintenance is done it will be easier to do, both in time, materials, money, and human resources. And why is this a good standard? Because, at sea, we never know when shit is going to go sideways, so the only thing we can do is prepare and if that time, unfortunately, comes, it can be dealt with as quickly as possible to prevent any snowballing effect. Good on you to get that boat and all that comes with it for 5k. It only makes a stronger case for taking all you can take for Flying Coney, and even if the remaining wood might not be "that" valued on a first instance, who knows, maybe you find people that build stuff out of wood bits, and for who, those old pieces are like little treasures making them willing to pay above market price, which will help you recover more money to spend on FC.

[@FlyingConey]

I'm deep enough into my own project to know the difference in between a rebuild, a refit, a repair and extended maintenance. The Jan Koning III was completely restored in 1998 and it was in pristine condition until 2018. It's in far better condition than other boats I've seen that were advertised in between 60 and 110 000€. I'm not hiding the fact that you need a budget in between 30-50 000€ and about 6 months time to get the boat sailing again. A former wooden workboat is not an easy project and you must be a certain type of person to be willing to take something like that on. But compared with the current market situation and in what shape similar boats are it's absolutely manageable.

[@ablemarine9072]

She is certainly not one to dispose of, Hopefully you will find that right person to restore her and keep her! Think about Leo and Tally Ho! This vessel from my perspective is a good and worthy project to keep her Alive to Sail Again. Without having my hands and eyes on her, this is a Casual Comment Yet, still think She is a Beauty and Needs a Custodian to bring her back

[@FlyingConey]

I've said in the video that I'm no wooden boat surveyor but I've seen more severe problems on boats far more expensive. I also think that the boat was in pristine condition up to 2018. The equipment still in place speak a language of a perfectionist trying to build his dream boat.

[@stevecam724]

A second boat is to much work OR to expensive. Stripping for parts is the smart money

[@hillsideprojects3791]

What was done wrong with the caulking of the boat before?

[@FlyingConey]

It wasn't suitable for salt water so I've been told. All that happened back in 2018 so it could be that the curt trail was affected by covid.

[@oldtugs]

@@FlyingConey It obviously isn't suited for fresh water either. Rain water is what kills wooden boats. The stains from the iron poisoning show that years of rain soaking into the planks and fasteners and the bacteria that feed on them have effectively killed that boat. Emotions are not repairs and a few kilos of bronze portholes and trinkets won't pay the scrapman.

[@FlyingConey]

No worries. Before I bought the boat I had a quote how much the scraping will be. You underestimate how much a few kilos of bronze is these days.

[@oldtugs]

@@FlyingConey The latest published price online for bronze scrap in Netherlands is around 5 Euros per kilo. That photo of the prop appears to show a brass alloy with a high percentage of zinc rather than a high quality bronze which is alloyed with tin and very little (1 percent) zinc.

[@davidbarnsley8486]

So maybe if you got to that other boat a few weeks earlier you could have got some good bits before it sank 😂😂😂 I would call it another money pit

[@FlyingConey]

We still can make a decent profit if we sell the parts. But I'm willing to hand the boat over so that it can be rescued.

[@user-iu6yy3ub6i]

Муахаха! Она деревянная!

[@williamnewman8850]

How much did you pay for it?

[@computerefurb]

Has anybody come forward yet?

[@FlyingConey]

Currently looking good. We'll keep you updated.

[@grahamwheelock7497]

Talk to sandeman yacht brokerage if not find potential owners the same price as what you have in or a song and a dance if not don't feel bad about taking boat parts off the boat if ultimately it will be scrapped or work out a deal with the yard always going to say we need the space we'll what does the space cost yards always do this I got in the same predicament a month ago the yard owner said get the boat done by this time I slowed the process down since I am refraining the entire boat I said I need more time just put me in a place in the yard for people that do extensive work not 6 months 1-3 years

[@FlyingConey]

The problem with the yard is almost painfully silly. The boat can't be moved with their equipment. They top out at 30 tons and Jan Koning has 57. For whatever reason they've placed the project boat exactly were they want to build a terrace and the workers are already booked. Unfortunately it's not cheap to get the boat from A to B. But there's enough time to get the boat water tight and to move it to a better place. I would've never brought the boat here in the first place but the broker who arranged the transport has his office 100 meters away. Welcome in the Netherlands 🤨

[@GoneSailingCA]

nice boat but a bit too much for us

[@guydepoorter]

Z 570 Triton was probably a shrimp fishing boat at Z eebrugge, probably built at Staf Haerinck wharf in Zeebrugge. I remember her fishing also in Oostende and remembered a dutch guy buying her who looked very skilled. Indeed she looks in good shape ( maybe a little bit too much fresh water marinated ). The Scheepvaart Museum in Oostduinkerke bought lately the same boat in Nieuwpoort but it sunk few months ago: she was hauled out but looks like its gonna take time and money… give them a call they might be interested. There arent many wooden ex belgian fishertrawlers left. She must be saved. Cheers.

[@FlyingConey]

Built in 1960/61 by the yard De Graeve L. in Brugge. She had an ABC Diesel engine. I bet the prop is still from this days because it has a diameter of 120cm. She has a draft of 2.4 meters and fished as beam trawler. I could be wrong but isn't she a bit big for a shrimp trawler? I will contact the museum.

[@oldtugs]

Look up "iron poisoning" and how it kills wooden boats.

[@FlyingConey]

I can't tell how severe it is. The boat was on the hard with water in the bilge since 2018. Before that she was in good condition. So there will be a few problems and it's not an easy project boat. But I'm not experienced enough to give a survey on the boat but I've seen worse for way more money.

[@georgelewisray]

: )

[@koolkar55]

I've been watching this wooden boat build from the beginning & it reminds me of it as they are similar in design. Hope this may help & may I say you guys are gluttons for punishment. Billy J... Queensland, Australia. www.youtube.com/@SampsonBoatCo

[@gavingabrielson3746]

Flying Coney, a skilled workforce may stand a chance to take on a massive project like this. However, as you have found out with all the challenges you have found with FC anyone inexperienced will be taking on a world of pain. Please make sure you are not a part of another KZbin crowdfunding disaster, built on know idea of what it takes on a project this big.

[@FlyingConey]

It's a 57 tonne 17 meter trawler. It's the ideal boat to be a full time livaboard but it's not cheap. But also we're talking about a few repairs that need to be done and then the standard extended maintenance. Then the boat is good to go. Way less problematic than Tally Ho, Yaba or Sarinda.

[@ShipHappensUK]

That is a lovely boat, to good to break up

[@FlyingConey]

Do you have time for a third boat? 🤣

[@ShipHappensUK]

@@FlyingConey no chance! 😂😂

[@Woobieeee]

Havent saved it yet.

[@FlyingConey]

We have 😉

[@Woobieeee]

​@@FlyingConey i guess your standard for "saving" a boat is low.

[@FlyingConey]

I guess you're not good at getting a hint.

[@Woobieeee]

@@FlyingConey maybe you arent good at giving them.

[@FlyingConey]

Ok, why do you think our standard for "saving" a boat is low. It should've been scraped at the end of April and it's still here and will get fully restored. So what's your point.

[@jordanbey870]

Really?? You love boats since the days of the Hyksos, right???😂😂😂😂

[@norbertbreth7234]

das ist ein fass ohne boden wie lange willst du dran bauen

[@FlyingConey]

Wir gar nicht. Meine Schätzung sind 20 000€ und ca. 8 Wochen dann ist das Boot wieder einsatzbereit. Wer das nicht Aufbringen kann oder möchte sollte kein Boot in dieser Größe besitzen.

[@merlinonline67]

Why not try crowdfunding? Get your money back, do the boat up and donate it to the Dutch Sea Cadets

[@FlyingConey]

Because the boat needs to be gone in a few weeks. That's the main problem. But if someone comes up with a plan I'm sure we will find a solution. I don't want to make a profit but I also don't want to loose money.

[@blackbirdxx4613]

You basically trying to self jan 😂😂😂😂....

[@FlyingConey]

Jan Koning is the guy who converted the trawler into a sailing boat, so it's just a name. I personally prefer the original name Triton.

[@blackbirdxx4613]

In other words you're flipping the boat 😂😂

[@FlyingConey]

We want a sailing ship for at least 14 people. We don't want our own private yacht. Also I'm not a huge wooden boat fan when it comes to owning one.

[@andrewcolquhoun4007]

How much will it cost to break up and dispose of your new purchase……..I doubt the bits you can save will be worth it

[@FlyingConey]

The bronze portholes alone are worth more than the cost of the scrapping. We're talking resale value, not purchasing price. There are 12 and a new one is 1300€

[@oldtugs]

​@@FlyingConey The April 29 price for bronze in Amsterdam at Geelhoed Metaalhandel is 4.55 Euro per kilo. If lucky you might get 5 Euros. The best resale price would be at a nautical antique store. Good luck. That prop is very low quality bronze and would sell for about the same price or even less.

[@WJSpies]

It's a beautiful boat and it deserves to never be cannibalized, only to become merely a "donor boat." That would be a crying out loud shame. And I hope you find a new owner(s) wishing, willing, and ultimately able to restore her; she's truly magnificent. Good luck to her, I hope she sees many many many days of great sailing ahead. I'm suspicious though... Did you see this new boat as a "donor boat" already for the Flying Coney, then use the very choicest parts from her at this point, while having less than pristine storage to keep what was leftover, you conveniently put her up for resale -- and at a profit? Are you taking advantage of us people (your erstwhile followers), in effect selling her as a "spec boat" simply to make a few extra Euro/Dollars to continue refitting Flying Coney? No offense but... I see you two burning through money on the Flying Coney (which I always considered a bad purchase choice by you). Now this far along in the Coney's refit you can't walk away from it (and this KZbin cash-cow endeavour) so this resale is an alternative best option for you. There's nothing particularly wrong in that scenario, but are you being fully honest with those of us who from time to time follow your KZbin channel? (It an honest and fair question.) I think you may have taken on this newer boat in order to consider a viable way to get out from under the cost-heavy operations of the Flying Coney refit project, and then simply switch to a newer and much smaler vessel (which I think is better suited to your needs; all things considered). But, you eventually realized to accomplish the intended switch from one boat to the other smaller vessel you wouldn't be able to continue the present KZbin channel in very good faith -- your regular followers would abandon your channel altogether. (It is after all a regular cash-cow over the time it's existed.)

[@FlyingConey]

When we bought the boat it was already a zombie, due to be scraped on April the first. Yes we bought it and we put a lot of work into the boat. We could make more money selling the parts like the engine and the port lights separately. But we can't give the boot away for free since we had to pay for it. But initially we thought the hull is far beyond repair and we bought it mainly as a donor boat. So either we stick to the initial plan or we find someone who wants to rescue a wooden boat. Two years back the wooden boat would've been the better project for us. Now I'm quite happy that we're rebuilding a real sailing ship and not a yacht for the two of us. For us it's an honer to be able to share our project and it's quite amazing how many people are enjoying our videos. But speaking about our income, after two years we're still beneath minimum wage and slightly under poverty line. So in any other job we would make more money. But we're not complaining, we mede the decision to do what we do.

[@guvnermcgovern]

You have a vivid imagination quite a nasty one at that.

[@kevinholmes4277]

Spiteful post - I follow and enjoy their endeavours You obviously just like to be rude you can see, with relative, intelligence that this is not a ‘flip’ It’s been explained that they have been looking for a donor for FC and came across Triton which was being scrapped, in their trusted estimation Triton is too good to be scrapped but their is a time limit and with logistical constraints in moving Triton. They have offered up T but if no one is able to take on T as a project then it will be salvaged and cannibalised for FC The guys also mentioned that they would like to make a training vessel for 12+ (Flying Coney) not now are they trying to downsize at anyone else’s expense (your comment would be completely unnecessary if you watched previous episodes when their plans were explained) If your comment was meant to be constructive then please learn how to communicate in a less aggressive and rude manner, if your comment is just a bit of baiting to try and get a negative reaction from them then I am sorry for the guys that they have to put up with immature insensitive persons such as yourself (I would block you if it was my choice)

[@couttsw]

Engine Transplant. Old engine in coney for 15 yr old engine in donor boat.

[@FlyingConey]

Our huge engine room doesn't give the DAF 1160 in Flying Coney justice. It's about twice the size and the power of the Perkins M185C. Of course we could sell it on.

[@goldcoasttime]

why, keep your focus.......

[@bensteyn1974]

No

[@wickedcabinboy]

@bensteyn1974 - Nice. Direct. Uncomplicated. Just no. 😶

[@danacoyle1826]

So you have too old boats now which one are you going to show more favor to two boats are very hard to shuttle back and forth to rebuild both of them I believe you took on way too much

[@FlyingConey]

We don't have two boats now. We have one project boat we're restoring and we have a donor boat for parts. If someone is showing up taking over the donor boat it's fine for me. I don't need to make a profit on that one. But as a donor boat it would speed up the process of refining our first and only boat.

[@dustinfrost5214]

Looking forward to seeing you on that ship wearing your bikini 😂😂