FN1910 Inherent Safety Flaw: Can Be Put In An Unsafe Condition!!!

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Bloke on the Range

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@StacheMan26 9 ай бұрын

And here I thought the FN1910's only inherent safety issue was its propensity to trigger world wars, shows what I know

@JohnTBlock 9 ай бұрын

The most dangerous part of all firearms is the loose nut holding the stocks/grip!

@toolthoughts 9 ай бұрын

FN1910s should be banned to prevent further world wars

@meatballs2849 9 ай бұрын

Princip's pistol!

@niznikb 9 ай бұрын

I can't think of a better comment than "If you design something to be idiot proof, the universe will design a better idiot."

@jamesbromstead4949 9 ай бұрын

Well.... carried in a functionally dangerous but inoperative condition.... Genius! Words to be inscribed on his tombstone....

@exploatores 9 ай бұрын

that was like it was easyer to do.

@davidkachel 9 ай бұрын

Sounds like the Glock. Promoted as "safer" because they made it more dangerous!!

@chrisgosling6083 9 ай бұрын

and dont forget get james bond , the 1910 is the first pistol you see him use on screen in dr no as the props department could not get a suppressor for a walther , love the content always interesting showing all the things we wish we could still have in the uk

@bobbressi5414 9 ай бұрын

If someone hit the resting hammer on a 1911 and caused a discharge, it was a series 70. The series 80 weapons have a firing pin block that only allows the gun to fire if the trigger is pressed.

@tacticalmanatee 3 ай бұрын

The majority of 1911s out there are the non-80 type, since the original M1911 design does not incorporate the Series 80 design improvements. Even most high-end 1911s these days, including very expensive 2011s such as the Staccato and similar, use the older design due the 80-series having a slightly worse trigger (as the trigger is actuating the extra parts of the internal safety). This also means that most 1911s and 2011s out there are NOT drop-safe and can fairly reliably discharge even with the safety on if dropped on the muzzle, which causes the firing pin to strike the primer. Oddly, they are still pretty drop safe if dropped on the hammer due to the half-cock notch catching the hammer if the primary sear notch fails.

@bobbressi5414 3 ай бұрын

@@tacticalmanatee I agree that most 1911s are S70 types. As a guy who had an accidental discharge when the leaf spring failed in a Springfield I once had, I would not feel comfortable with one today. It only happened once and Ive owned numerous series 70 guns that never had issues but once was enough. I never have my finger in the trigger well when chambering a round. The hammer fell on a round because most of the sear leaf that engages the hammer was broken off. Had it been a series 80 the hammer still would have dropped but the gun would not have fired. Fortunately I always point my weapons in a safe direction when loading or unloading. The only casualty was a big steamer trunk and some old quilts.

@zman1508 9 ай бұрын

Truly impressed Someone managed to make the gun significantly more dangerous for the person holding it and significantly less dangerous for the person being shot at!

@LAu-zg8cx 9 ай бұрын

It was probably not intented so by John Browning

@Schrodingers_kid 9 ай бұрын

Not only was that new to me, but you also made me understand how this gun works better

@jakegrube9477 9 ай бұрын

...... why the hell would anyone think thats a remotely good idea to carry like that, like what kind of backwards convoluted thought process led to that being seen as a good idea by a sapient human being

@Treblaine 9 ай бұрын

I think he just never knew the striker wasn't cocked and never bothered to test it. Maybe all the other firearms he ever had cocked on opening just a little bit and didn't really understand the differences, just assumed they all worked the same.

@loquat44-40 9 ай бұрын

The reason for thinking it was safe goes back to external hammer fired guns like a shotgun. If the hammer is down, it is considered safe by some. It of course much safer when barrels opened and gun empty. For that particular browning used in the demonstration, the minimum sear engagement would make me carry it with chamber empty.

@WojciechP915 9 ай бұрын

Will there be a product recall?

@REXOB9 9 ай бұрын

Great video, especially the way you showed the other pistols' safeties.

@MandoWookie 9 ай бұрын

So... the logic it seems he was trying to accomplish was essentially 'hammer down' with the striker fired gun, becaused for some reason, cocked guns irrationally scare people, apparently even when you cant see its cocked. But, but, he also wanted the +1 capacity. But,but,but, even though he seemed to understand enough of how the mechanism worked to figure how to essentially 'decock' it on loaded chamber, he didnt seem to understand that it wasnt a double action gun? Or that to fire a round he would have to rack out the round in the chamber? Was he so obsessed with rendering the gun 'safe to carry' that he didnt realize he had created a fundamentally contradictory setup? That every action he took counteracted every apparent goal?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

He didn't seem to realise it was decocked...

@onkelmicke9670 9 ай бұрын

Yeah that's interesting. There's a lot of guns I don't have, but 3 of those I do. 1903, P226 and P210. Good taste I would say.

@ReidMerrill 9 ай бұрын

Honestly a baffling way to +1 a pistol. I don't think I would ever think of doing it in such a janky way.

@ATH_Berkshire 9 ай бұрын

If it can be done some muppet will do it.

@elmsfeuer 9 ай бұрын

Hello Bloke! Very interesting Video! I have got a SIG P210 danish HTK and this version -2 did not have a safety hammercatch.

@m.j.mahoney8905 9 ай бұрын

Cheers Mr B! Question though -- I've always wondered if those "firing pin acts as ejector" pistols could set off an unfired round if it was manually ejected with enough force? Would it even dimple the primer?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

I don't think so, but to modern eyes it's a bit of a "why even take the risk?" thing!

@elmsfeuer 9 ай бұрын

Very interesting, the extractor is the striker as well.

@loquat44-40 9 ай бұрын

British nomenclature is different. On a single action pistol like a 1911 I learned it as not a rebounding striker, but as being a firing pin. It works by inertia since in the hammer down down position it does not extend forward sufficiently to make contact with the primer. In the hammer down position, most blows to the hammer will not cause the firing pin to move forward. But dropping is one the muzzle could cause a discharged in the original configuration. Some 1911s have a trigger activated firing pin block. In the half (quarter) cock position it is possible if the pistol is dropped on the hammer for it fire. A military spec gun with 8 lb often plus trigger and full strength firing pin springs are less likely go off from being dropped in my opinion.

@BootedVulture 9 ай бұрын

So what did he think the advantage was with his method over 'load the mag, rack the slide, top up mag' which seems far simpler?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

I really don't know, but he seemed very proud that he'd found a nonobvious way...

@antonioadinolfi4052 9 ай бұрын

Do I get this right that for the sake of one extra round he was carrying an inoperable pistol unless he racked the slide but ... not all the way ... just enought to engage the striker 😮 I wonder if that person ever successfully used this process while under stess.

@petesheppard1709 9 ай бұрын

This was interesting; besides describing a specific situation, it was a nice overview of pistol evolution!

@DesertCoyotes 9 ай бұрын

Walther CCP you can load a round in a magazine, but not cock the striker assembly if you don't pull it all the way back. So even a new gun has this safety flaw.

@pyro4squirrel 9 ай бұрын

Did he specifically state that he wasn't fully retracting the slide before putting it in the safe position?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

Yup. Very insistent that he was just pulling it back enough to engage the catch.

@pyro4squirrel 9 ай бұрын

@@BlokeontheRange wow... that's an interesting choice for sure.

@niklasaskham4208 9 ай бұрын

I think you’ve caught it just on time!!

@LAu-zg8cx 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the warning. It raises one question: with the fp serving as the injector, how do you eject one live round from the chamber?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

it's fine, you can't pull it back hard enough to set it off. The ejection port is a bit tiny though so it's not always reliable... Remove the mag and pull back the slide, they sometimes fall down the mag well IIRC, but it's been a while since I did that.

@b.griffin317 9 ай бұрын

Just to be clear: the thumb safety secures the firing pin from inertial travel?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

It locks the sear in the raised position, that's all. Which is fine if it's cocked.

@somefool4625 9 ай бұрын

Don't forget Bobrikov. Governor general of Finland. Might of been a 1900 tho

@okaro6595 9 ай бұрын

It was M1900. It was in 1904. You can see the date on the memorial plate at the location: hs.mediadelivery.fi/img/978/5266902d12624cf385339c07eba49153.jpg

@moalongkumer3232 9 ай бұрын

My father had a lovely 1910 and I used it for many years....Very simple, very well made. I don't see what the gentleman was trying to achieve with that bizarre arrangement.

@454FatJack 9 ай бұрын

Ptsd or crazy old Lady with a cat😂

@moalongkumer3232 9 ай бұрын

@@454FatJack 😀

@moalongkumer3232 9 ай бұрын

@@454FatJack 😀

@chrisgosling6083 9 ай бұрын

or as baldric said " a man shot an ostrich because he was hungry "

@petesheppard1709 9 ай бұрын

Converting British to American...what Bloke is calling the 'striker' is known as the 'firing pin' in the Colonies. We use striker to refer to the bit that hits the firing pin proper to fire the gun, in lieu of a hammer. Hence, 'striker fired' vs 'hammer fired' guns.

@CitizenSmith50 9 ай бұрын

My Father-in-Law was a South Australian Cop; carried one of these in a holster that press-studded into an oversized pocket in his uniform trousers. They were used by the S.A. Police until the 1970s, when they were replaced with the S&W .357 revolver.

@zoiders 9 ай бұрын

No they weren't. 😂

@norwegianwiking 9 ай бұрын

Was he a former norwegian police officer?

@AutieTortie 9 ай бұрын

This is almost like a bigger version of the Baby Browning. Lots of similar features and construction.

@454FatJack 9 ай бұрын

Utah man ❤

@hdibos201 9 ай бұрын

I carry my FN 1910 only in condition 3: chamber unloaded and magazine loaded . The contact area of the striker/firing pin and the sear is minuscule, a blow in the rear of the gun will likely fire a chambered round. Better safe then sorry!

@454FatJack 9 ай бұрын

Revolver❤

@someone75413 9 ай бұрын

I imagine he intended to hit the slide with a small mallet if he ever needed to fire it.

@One-Armed-Un-Boxer 9 ай бұрын

Dear Mr. Bloke. What is up with your P226? What about the firing pin safety?

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

I don't know what's up with it, I need to get it to Matt to get him to take a look...

@ralphwatten2426 9 ай бұрын

I can verify that a Mak is not drop safe with the hammer down and the safety not on. I thought it had a hammer block but it does not.

@3eightiesopinion524 9 ай бұрын

Ive actually drop tested a mak several times to TRY to set a primer off. I was unsuccessful, and it might be because the firing pin mass is light and the primers in the ammo were wolf. But i get bigger primer dents when charging some of my rifles than I got from dropping my mak multiple times from multiple heights

@davidkachel 9 ай бұрын

Some of those "strikers" are in reality called firing pins!!

@keithplymale2374 9 ай бұрын

The other problem with Glock pattern firearms is people being in shooting situations and afterwards when trying to holster the pistol, still being affected by everything that happens to you in that kind of life or death situation, don't notice something gets inside the trigger housing and depresses the finger dingus and the trigger with the pistol loaded and then they Glock themselves.

@niznikb 9 ай бұрын

I don't understand your point: how is it "The other problem with Glock pattern firearms" specifically and not a problem with other types of handguns? How would it be less of a problem "being in shooting situations and afterwards when trying to holster the pistol" if the pistol was, say, a Beretta 92FS or a SIG P226?

@keithplymale2374 9 ай бұрын

@@niznikb The Glock has no manual safety. The 92FS and 1911 pattern guns do. I worked a contract security job. I trained to carry with the hammer de-cocked and on safe with a round in the chamber. I trained to release the safety on drawing with trigger finger out side the guard, reverse that putting the pistol back in the holster. Glock style pistols unless they have a pin in the base plate that starts to protrude as the firing pin is being cocked AND you train every single time to holster with your thumb over that pin in case what I wrote about happens you have no way to notice that or prevent that. My point was that in the aftermath of a shooting situation, and the physiological affects of that situation, you are going to be acting on automatic and how you trained. If your Glock was pulled from concealment from under clothes, after you pull those clothes up they are going to fall back. And if they fall over the holster mouth and you don't see that because in practice when you are not under stress you held them up to holster, if a piece of fabric or anything gets under that trigger guard it can pull that trigger and finger dingus. Glock your self.

@BlokeontheRange 9 ай бұрын

@niznikb with a 92 or a 226 the force required and the distance the trigger has to move (assuming decocked as it should be) is far greater than with a Glock or similar.

@theafkswede3005 9 ай бұрын

I was shown a way to carry a Glock with a loaded chamber and and the striker/trigger not set (trigger back)... Just disassemble it, take the barrel out and put a live round in the chamber, then assemble it, being careful to pull the slide back just far enough to snap together but not cock the trigger forward. Stupidity always find a way...

@Foche_T._Schitt 9 ай бұрын

Star improved the 1911 by having the safety impede the hammer instead of the trigger.

@davidmeek8017 9 ай бұрын

aloha; well done sir! Mahalo

@ratscoot 9 ай бұрын

It´s bigget brother, the 1910/22 were in widespread use by Belgian gendarmerie and police until the mid eighties, in .32 ACP. Still plenty surplus to be found for around 150€

@JohnTBlock 9 ай бұрын

With that grip safety, I see no extra danger in cocked-n-locked, "Condition One" carry...if you want more "safety", Condition two, full mag and empty chamber is all there is, that makes any sense. As you say, there's always that SPECIAL idiot, who tries to game it right into a non-working piece of kit.... we're the 1910's ever built in .380 ACP, or were they all .32s? Thanks for your work, Mike!

@MandoWookie 9 ай бұрын

It was explicitly designed to be chambered in both. You can change between calibers with just a barrel change.IIRC FN offered guns with both barrels.

@exotericidymnic3530 9 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention the other major safety flaw: you can put it in the oven.

@borkwoof696 9 ай бұрын

Lmao what kind of rookie designed this?!?!

@alexeysaphonov232 9 ай бұрын

It is the most dangerous gun in the world, it once used to be a starting pistol of ww1 (sarcasm)

@berch5015 9 ай бұрын

What was the point of +1 ing in such a ridiculous way?

@cheesenoodles8316 9 ай бұрын

Interesting

@zoiders 9 ай бұрын

John Browning was certainly a master of basic mechanical principles but his understanding of the snags of field use was lacking.

@454FatJack 9 ай бұрын

150 years ago

@zoiders 9 ай бұрын

He died in 1926.

@grantellis1970 9 ай бұрын

Who would have thought that the World's Most Lethal Handgun (2 shots in Sarajevo 1914, 15 million dead) could be made dangerous?

@owensmith7530 9 ай бұрын

The reason the Makarov is so thoroughly designed to be safe is because it's predecessor the Tokarov T-33 had no safety at all. It is reputed that as many Soviet officers shot themselves with it as shot anyone else. Even the Soviet Union took notice of statistics like that.

@b.griffin317 9 ай бұрын

I've always been told the FN 1910 (and many of its era) are inherently unsafe since the firing pin is also the ejector. If you have to unload the gun for any reason without shooting it you are taking a risk.I guess you could argue there is an unsafe way to CARRY it but next to what I've said who cares at this point? You're going to be unloading it far more than you'll ever shoot it (as least I am).

@454FatJack 9 ай бұрын

Luger has no problem’s😂

@mickymondo7463 9 ай бұрын

Do you think FN will issue a recall🤣

@Z09SS 10 ай бұрын

Is "striker" British for "firing pin" in a hammer fired gun?

@daetslovactmandcarry6999 10 ай бұрын

No, they stole it from the Americans. (Or maybe the Italians, we might have stolen it from the Italians...)

@hazim604 9 ай бұрын

it says this video was posted 8 minutes ago on my YT, how is your comment a day old lol

@LN997-i8x 9 ай бұрын

We all know what he means.

@acidtreat101 9 ай бұрын

@@hazim604 probably patreon early access

@cedhome7945 9 ай бұрын

Allways puzzles me firing /fireing pin (reminded me of bob hope =two nations divided by a common language 😄)

@dj1NM3 9 ай бұрын

So this "clever" guy made his pistol unsafe for him, for the primary reason a pistol would be carried: Expecting it t go "BANG" if in a self defence situation, mostly because of a "dead trigger" his attackers would remain unperforated and unstopped.