Fnatic Roster Moves; LCS Benching Madness - Summoning Insight S4E13 (feat. YamatoCannon and Revenge)

[@coryjohnson9728]

TLDR: We all secretly want Dardoch on the show.

[@YayLexx]

YESSSSSS!!!

[@ihateeveryone8161]

​@@YayLexx Doesn't feel like a secret tbh lmao

[@Cracklingsoul]

yamato has the best voice in esports hands down

[@diogosoares7187]

LS' Mickey Mouse voice though

[@sabin7726]

@@diogosoares7187 underrated comment xD

[@Wwheeles]

Monte always looks like a character out of peaky blinders with that haircut

[@frederikvilms1281]

"my format is so good cause it makes my dogshit product not get really boring for people" "sounds like you might actually want to improve the format mate" - Thorin AHHAHAHHAHA banger

[@adrian.tabirca]

I was rolling on the floor after 20 minutes. And he has good arguments too.

[@Starxed1]

Appreciated Yamato’s comments on his coaching approach. Would be nice if some of our LCS coaches would operate in a similar way. Also, I 100% agree that DIG overperformed in Spring, and it boggles my mind why they would try to fix something that was not broken.

[@TS-ne1of]

Yamato is just a good guy... so rare in the world these days

[@Roovka_]

YamatoCannon sounds like he's actually going to fire the Yamato Cannon.

[@MrAvaricia]

It's awesome to know some people are trying berserk, even tho it comes from this circunstance. Rooting for a thorin's thoughts on some of the concepts being thrown around

[@technickn9n3]

him leaving out vitality was peculiar they have a INSANE eye test and do not give up after inting early games

[@clap5108]

The thorin nod speaks so many words in itself.

[@sunnyc1732]

Died at Thorin's 'fancy Jatt' bit at around 52:10 lmfao

[@ThereImade1]

2:40:53 "[Travis] will only call people out when it something that is going to financially affect him." How was the potential removal of the import rule something that would financially affect him?

[@sleepyyam5391]

not like the orgs wanting that rule change could deny him interviews with players or anything...

[@revesbystation8630]

This discussion was something that Travis manifested out of nothing and then became a talking point in the community. He was then able to create content around it and interview teams about it. I'm not saying that the import rule removal wasn't being talked about before Travis brought it up but it was waaaaay less material before he did.

[@rorymurtagh4675]

Yamato's comment at 56:20 and the mic check that came out today makes it seem like Yamato is having a real impact ton the players

[@itemtest1]

1:30:01 That's a classic movie. I remember watching it like 20 years ago. It totally blew my mind :)😊😉👍

[@00HoODBoy]

Revenge was a good choice as a guest I think. Really enjoyable

[@peterenis3507]

damn thorin finally started berserk ive been thinking hed love it for years i hope he mentions it again

[@MunkysKantSpel]

I still always love when you two get to chat ^__^

[@GiefReplays]

ah, the Hyperion books are by Dan Simmons. I've read his Carrion Comfort a few times, one of my favorite horror books. I will have to check out his sci-fi.

[@koreanata6951]

Thorin, watching you makes me wanna watch you more. You sound so honest and impulsive. I am sick and tired of "powdered" talkers. So, cheers to you, man! Don't give up and fight your way through all the sh*t they are spaying us with!

[@justinbowman3567]

Philip Jose Farmer is some of my favorite Sci-fi. Dayworld and Riverworld.

[@snaggiz]

Personally, I’d love for the LEC to go to a best of three format for its regular season games. Though of course, it has some serious implications for the broadcast itself.

[@Woodrow512]

Yamato is always a treat to listen to, lots of insight and a golden voice, incredible guest wherever he appears on

[@squngy0]

You should try reading Gantz, its a soft sci-fi manga with good art. It is not much talked about because it finished years ago already.

[@nicholasjochems3895]

Revenge is so well spoken i love him

[@Iraydren]

Definitely check out Berserk guys.

[@MongosapiensREX]

Just Imagine if DIG was willing to spend or if they had competent scouts, they could have had Febiven and Cabochard, with Dardoch.... they actually could have been insane

[@jarlballin5271]

I don’t think Febiven would go back to NA and I don’t think DIG would pick him up either. He had his stint in NA and normally after you leave you don’t return. Cabo would definitely be interesting.

[@MongosapiensREX]

@@jarlballin5271 I completely forgot about Febis stint in NA, but just imagine that DIG, would be fire imo

[@KeenJT]

I have never watched league, I have never played league. The only players in league I know are from those TSM youtube videos years ago, I watch this show for the legends..Duncan and Monte.

[@WiseAlbatross]

At the end of this year we need a tribunal to judge these front offices for their moves. TL & C9 torpedoing their own synergy. And the #1 offender DIG who not only downgraded their own midlane development project but tilted their own star player off the face of the earth. Truly DIG is gonna get away with the Dardoch fiasco because he’s Dardoch but I swear to god if I thought the front office was sabotaging my own chance at winning I would flip a bitch too. Get the fucking guillotine. Heads should roll.

[@andytu4723]

I lost it when Monte compared Revenge to FakeGod, the worst top laner in LCS right now.

[@Creamouz]

There is nothing sweeter than Thorin going off at someone or something

[@seb_yt6695]

For context: Did the soligo benching happen before dardoch? Because I kinda feel like this could potentially be a similar thing as abbe & gillius.

[@waaghghazghkull6362]

Yes it did

[@JacobSBierman]

Yamato is just a natural born leader. Being able to understand how people synergies interact with one another. He’s on another level coach wise

[@tasarunas7161]

Upset best ADC Zimbabwe comfirmed!

[@Meteor204666]

Yamatocannon is next on the list to be acquired by G2

[@the_intolerance]

CoD esports is the king of roster changes. seriously if you look into the history of that esport it's plauged by roster changes every few months before they franchised like LoL

[@Thoradine]

What's those Hyperion books they talk about? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(Simmons_novel) is it this author?

[@lastfreenation]

Yes, that is it. Great book!

[@sleven8013]

The second they bring on an NA player and they start talking about LCS competition with a straight face I fall asleep.

[@rowan2828]

I swear everytime thorin says something along the lines of "the "fans" or the "community" thinks X" I am like wait what, I don't think that and neither does anybody I talk to. I feel like most fans don't post on reddit or socials about the game and their opinions on it, it's just the fucked up ones and then these people have this fucked up and skewed view of what the "community" thinks. In reality most people don't actually give enough of a fuck to comment/tweet/post shit online, it's just the loudest, most extreme people who just spam twitch chat with pogchamp or whatever garbage that give fans a bad rep.

[@sleven8013]

”Democracy is the crowd choosing Barabbas over Jesus” That’s too poignant lmao

[@ProdigalGuitarist]

Good point about travis. He seems pretty self serving and ego centric. I mean he wont let his roommate have a cat because it might cause him a minor annoyance from time to time.

[@Shinjiku]

Imo current fnatic feels like Vitality he coached, early split performer that seems synergistically solid yet has reached their ceiling and will get figured out by teams with superior talent.

[@phdinporn5146]

Of course nobody didn't watch best of 3 when 10 bad teams farmed it out 40 min. Now when we have 5-6 decent team and lower teams can upset.

[@Grimaura97]

RNG Chovy, LETS GO! Sorry Cryin

[@phelipbarrospeixoto6426]

I dont wanna be a dick, but i came here cause i've always liked monte's analysis but half of the time i don't understand Thorin's accent and when he gets excited is even worse. It would be better for us non-native english speakers if he could improve the pronunceation. To counter balance, his comments are very funny, when i get it. Hope to see Monte as a caster at worlds!

[@keelwn547]

Subtitles would be a good fix, if they could add them.

[@coryjohnson9728]

I'm still mad at Riot Games for throwing out Monte 'Hype Train' Cristo. But, as is turns out he's probably better off without them.

[@12ARedSon]

31:55 It's beautiful.

[@FMD-FullMetalDragon]

Best of 2's would be the best format for the LCS.

[@243yannik9]

best format would be the teams scrim all week and whoever benches the least players wins some points. no games. just fun family time on the weekend, just lec and chill, no lcs.

[@erica2980]

Battle Royale butchers the book and the term is from wrestling

[@bruenwarrior9610]

Movie was trash, book was fire.

[@RaidsEpicly]

Wikipedia claims the name is from the Japanese book/film. That does seem kind of fair considering that the play area gradually decreases just like in the books

[@_aullik]

Where Thorin is completely wrong, people watch shit games. At least in Overwatch there is a cult around watching toilet bawls.

[@maeschder]

LMAO @ Monte claiming the term "Battle Royal(e)" was coined by the movie. That movie is from 2000, the term has been in games since before then, and even in Wrestling it has been used for decades already. It just means no teams, thats all.

[@mike9512]

Thorin's thoughts that you have to be an asshole to win is absolutely not true. And even when it happens that is such a narrow perspective.

[@TriDevious]

yea he follows teams like the Lakers so it makes sense. The SA Spurs were a super friendly team and were the best franchise in all american sports for 20 years

[@iRiDiKi]

It's so weird and ridiculous that LCS is bo1. Makes me totally disinterested.

[@khalilhamda]

this episode should be the foremen Richard is truly miss with all the NA problems

[@justin9744]

Gonna be hilarious when FNC inevitably crashes and burns.

[@AONTrappy]

NALCS is actually poor in every regard to the minute you tune in. Poor production, casters who are company yes men, level of play, personalities, style, format, politics of the environment etc. all compile into a heap of mess. There is no content that NALCS excels at except for spicy drama. I am watching a drama show. I would describe NALCS as the most generic esports category when beginners drop by the stream.

[@juggmkj]

Sucks because NALCS, years ago, used to be pretty good as far as production and casters...but they never improved and progressively got worse. It's just a bad ad for the game that doesn't get many viewers at this point.

[@snaggiz]

I don’t watch much LCS but when I do, I keep it on mute. I can’t stand most of their casters.

[@Sitarman345]

I know you're reading this thoorin so please tell me since you care so much about narratives which make sense, if the problem was entirely Jatt and the solution was to get rid of Jatt, then why is Jatt gone and Alphari is still taking a break? Is the problem Steve now because he lied in the press conference? To me that seems to be a much more egregiously illogical passage of events rather than, "if Jatt wasn't the problem then why is he gone?"

[@allangibson7028]

That's assuming that Jatt was the only problem and that the solution was as simple as remove Jatt, you can still have lasting consequences after the fact and it I'd also possible that Alphati did have personal issues that only compounded with the Jatt situation

[@martijnvnloon]

The break was probably sanctioned by the org as well so they would have to uphold it to maintain the hierarchy somewhat.

[@Sitarman345]

@@allangibson7028 Thorin is claiming this is "the biggest W" and I would say for that to be true he would have to be vindicated in his opinion that the personal issues are a fabrication, presumably to protect Jatt or the org. He pointed out alphari deleted the tweet backing up the decision by the org to mandate he take a break as an indication that he denied it and in this video he is ridiculing fans for believing the team liquid press conference. Thorin is even ridiculing Liquid fans who think this is a bad direction for the team, since he believes Jatt was the problem. If Liquid continues to collapse and Alphari does not come back then I dont see in any way how this is a "W" for him in any way aside from it driving up his traffic. Not to mention thorin is rejecting out of hand the, I believe, perfectly legitimate idea that tensions within the organization and backlash from the community, which Thorin should definitely be aware exists considering he essentially chose to lead it, would lead to Jatt no longer wishing to be the coach.

[@Dardobul]

I'd also just suggest: if Alphari's "much needed personal break" comes to an end as soon as the coach allegedly pissing him off is fired, the whole narrative falls apart and TL has to FESS up. If they keep him off on full pay a few weeks, it's much easier to explain to the fans

[@Sitarman345]

@mcchickenz Thorin seems to reject that narrative which the TL organization is pushing.

[@simplyskrypt3914]

Its funny because for a while ive had this feeling inside my head that thorin is a bit like the trump of esports, and this video basically confirmed it, with him talking about 'ginger man bad' and asking his haters "so what, you think i slipped and fell, and somehow accidentally landed a perfect backflip?"... exactly the kind of groupthink rhetoric we hear about 'orange man bad'

[@christiansRstr8]

welcome to the darkside my friend

[@wrupnick]

Except Thorin is competent at his job and (mostly) sound of mind..

[@allangibson7028]

Ima be honest the only similarity between em is that they bot have haters I guess? Though so does everyone in the public eye so idk man

[@Sitarman345]

Its not just "ginger man bad" although I will not deny theres a certain number of people who immediately think that, although, it must be said, not for incorrect reasons. There are plenty of well articulated criticisms of thorin that go deeper than "its thorin so I dont like it."

[@toffeeFairy]

As a european this sounds soooooo ridiculous XDDDD Idk what what do you see trump as? Cause what I've seen is a rich old dude, that got a bunch of people to vote for him so that he can make himself even richer. (I mean if i could get millions of dollars that way i might do that as well) Idk how that is at all related to thooorin?