Excel's Rookie Sensations; Kaizen's LCS Debut - Summoning Insight S4E14 (feat. Youngbuck and Kaizen)

[@0tb16]

Wow, I wasn’t looking forward to listening to kaizen, but he was actually a great guest, I was expecting him to be way less open given his ties to riot. Great surprise !

[@reeceparker8163]

Everytime i watch Summoning insight, i learn at least 3 new words or interesting facts from Thorin

[@ICrazySkills]

Happy they got Youngbuck back on. Hope they ask about why Dan flopped

[@whatchachattin]

monte is so obsessed with super leagues lol

[@OfMaceAndMen]

It tilts me out of existence, but I respect his passion regardless. 😂

[@samueltunnicliffe7012]

@@OfMaceAndMen yeah the dude is American af, but at least he is consistently American.

[@mushiim8]

Just in time for my drive home

[@squngy0]

Make Montes mind explode, make next KDA song country music from one of his favorite artists. :D

[@BON3SMcCOY]

I'm high and "Dennis Rodman of Starcraft" is so fucking funny

[@coryjohnson9728]

Kaizen is like "What is this Doublelift drama you speak of? At Riot games we are told Reginald is a perfect flawless human being incapable of doing wrong, and TSM has the most fans therefore they are always right."

[@alexanderschwarz242]

I have Fly for the descerated corpse award. for some reason he is still playing in the LCK even though any rookie midlaner they could bring in would be better

[@beatsbydr.draven1932]

DUDE I just discovered Colter Wall a few months ago, super super talented, he's got a great sound

[@TheGarouKami]

Kaizen iwdC respect, never knew what this guy was about when i saw him appear on the broadcast good stuff

[@dariosupan5562]

As a general rule, double elimination does sound very interesting. That being said, Monte would like to play million games to ensure the best team wins. Upsets are part of the magic of watching any sport, you shouldn't look for ways to remove them. Also, UCL final is one game, which is 90 minutes. One bo5 is at least the same in terms of gameplay time. So I see no problem here.

[@bart6821]

So, along the tournament format discussion: Extend the spring season, then take the top 2 teams from each 'Major" region to play in an international league, leading into Worlds. Placement in the international league could dictate seeding pools and slots from regions for play-ins. This makes spring matter, retains regional representation, gives more international competition.

[@twiceseventeen]

They should just do what Valorant does. In Valorant they never started regional leagues to begin with and it's just high-stakes qualifiers into 3-4 major international tournaments a year.

[@bart6821]

@@twiceseventeen I made the assumptions that a circuit would not be possible given that they have franchised regional leagues. However, my suggestion retains those leagues, gives more international competition and incentivizes more competitive rosters since the regional reps standing in the International league would have some weight on worlds play-ins.

[@Talynen]

Business concerns wouldn't allow that; imagine how wildly your value to sponsors would swing depending on whether or not you qualify to the super league, and you can't franchise it out either.

[@bart6821]

@@Talynen I fail to see how this setup is different via business concerns to current worlds qualifications. Worlds is a non franchised international tournament with a qualifier from franchised regional league. Effectively my suggestion would just be qualifying for worlds early and having a seeding round robin that fed into current worlds format for the group draw. In fact, with our current regional franchising, this is the only way you could conceivably hold an international “league” without major lawsuits from current owners via breaking into a full circuit or making a super league.

[@ShinDSER]

Thorin with a fantastic music taste. Porcupine Tree/SW, King Crimson and Rush fan here. Would love to see Thorin's top X favourite albums list!

[@Vuosta]

50:20 RIP Score not getting the world championship he deserved so much. There were many mistakes throughout the series but Smebs game 5 performance just broke my heart as a fan of Score.

[@WatchThatKilcam15]

ohshit didnt know kaizen was primal wtf cool i like this guy

[@_ketosucks1355]

Kaizen joining the crusader Thorin and Monte

[@bojnebojnebojne]

I believe most people originally do not follow an Org, they first find a player they like. They then become a fan and follow that player. Doublelift, Maknoon, Huni etc are prime examples of this.

[@dionath]

Kaizen is alright but I'm still left just preferring to listen to Monte and Thoorin banter amongst themselves

[@RagingAbout]

The first dude is something.

[@AM34Gavin16MM]

Additional Advantage for not going into the losers bracket could be that said team gets to choose a champion to have perma banned for that grand final.

[@Birkarl_]

15:40 They could also play off the idea that Poseidon is the Lord of the Sea and horses

[@James-cc7cq]

My suggestion for the billion dollars: I’ve always thought it’d be great to have physical to-scale versions of the CSGO maps for paint balling. But this is a league show, so maybe the same but summoners rift? Let’s see who the fking good junglers are then!

[@Verlisify]

Great episode

[@TheGomatt]

I’m a fan of Kaizen after 8 years of watching lcs he’s one person I’d love to get a picture with

[@bik7590]

So you're telling me... we could've had THE WHOLE ROX TIGERS TOGETHER AFTER 2016 IN LCS?!? I genuinely think even now if you get together boomer retired Smeb, Pray, Gorilla, (and I guess Kuro if we HAVE to) and take Peanut out of that shitter NS team they could win LCS. Instead of watching one of the best League teams of all time with lovable personalities and an amazing narrative behind their success we had to watch Cody Sun and Pobelter. Man, what a deal. Love NA talent so much.

[@reysolo3672]

Awesome episode.

[@jubjub6330]

Nice that many people on the official broadcast are freelance these days and can thus come on this show

[@Beckonfour]

Brackets look at the wrong thing. You want to get the best 4 teams to the semi's. In league just have a double elimination until 4 teams have qualified, then match them on seeding and knock out who shows up better on the day. You get the best of both worlds.

[@xendranara7121]

Idk why monte keeps addressing tsm fans. I doubt they watch SI, they usually live in echo chambers🤷

[@CamatarulOnFire]

I'm a tsm fan and have watched and enjoyed summoning insight for years :)

[@xendranara7121]

@@CamatarulOnFire oh im sorry bud, I hope u get better soon lmaooo

[@0oDanngaro0]

You'd be surprised how many TSM fans watch SI and Thorin's channel. They thirst for drama and wish to be angry about something. There are also many reasonable fans that watch them sincerely as well

[@xendranara7121]

@@0oDanngaro0 damn I didnt think of that, they do be rly wanting things to be upset about. Idk abt ur second point though. Reasonable and tsm arent rly two words or concepts id align with one another.....ever.

[@0oDanngaro0]

@@xendranara7121 They are a minority clearly, and most of the time aren't that fanatical about the team. But they consider themselves TSM fans so I go by their word. I have seen a few comments over the years

[@sleven8013]

I’ve never understood who the people booing and cheering actually are. I just enjoy sports

[@lettucehunt3723]

52:06 it's not reasonable for anything but fighting games (as an old fighting game fan). if you timeout a round in street fighter it's 99 seconds - the maximum amount of time a best of 5 can take in terms of pure game time is literally just 15 rounds of that. so yeah, resetting the bracket won't work for most games, but that's just an upside of fighting games I think - being able to have narratives of resetting the bracket and winning

[@maartenvos4737]

do i now need to wear orange sportshirts during XL games as well? or is just on f1 racing days enough? (lets not talk about the football ending)

[@TriDevious]

If Nitro is captain american and stewie is spiderman which avengers would be Elige, NAF, and Twistzz?

[@Ochnun]

Okay, Thorin likes Snooker ,respect.

[@lmSoHumble]

Hvnt listen to all yet but ive never disagreed with monti so hard that i do when they talked about super leuage and format changes :D

[@GiefReplays]

There are a couple truly warped Stixxay fans on the CLG reddit which is why (beyond the fact the team has been shit forever now) no one actually goes there to talk about anything. The guy had a couple OK splits, when Caitlyn was viable, and that's it. He is what sprung to mind immediately when I heard the question. While I don't think your ADC needs to be dominating lane, he should probably be something other than team wallpaper in every phase of the game. This is ostensibly a professional league, after all.

[@sleven8013]

Would like to talk prog rock with Thorin

[@6666Imperator]

a series for a final or a one time event has both its own advantages. I mean there are some really great stories about the upset to win a trophy etc. those do have some merit and are remembered for a long time. Personally if I don't like/follow a certain team and that team is the favorite to win the whole thing and starts leading a series 2:0 I will not watch the rest.

[@groosh7913]

Please please please give us a TL Breaking Point: 2021

[@parthjain9008]

even showmaker can play everything at peak

[@feature8]

Brokenblade to G2.

[@fncam980]

Treatz to fnatic

[@peterenis3507]

@@fncam980 hyli is good tho and fnx had enough changes

[@fncam980]

@@peterenis3507 dude im typing whatever the fuk XD im a massive fan of chillychong but he's contract expire at the end of this year i dont think fnatic will renew he's contract again ...

[@mossydemon1984]

audio is scuffed...test first

[@JanAlleman1]

Calling Nukeduck a legendary player is a bit much...

[@dominicholder7323]

why? He is. Lemondogs. Just saying

[@JanAlleman1]

@@dominicholder7323 on that roster he had mithy and zorozero who were amazing, I mean zorozero was the first pro in EU to freeze a lane according to Odoamne, he was so far ahead. Nukeduck was relatively ok then, but also known to choke during important matches and mostly a scrim god

[@dominicholder7323]

@@JanAlleman1 that’s as dumb as saying „2015 Febiven was okish. He had Huni, Reignover and yellowstar“

[@mastercalippo]

the sport argument makes no sense just because soccer doesnt get patched

[@uxaenarrhythmia1483]

In regards to what

[@koenarno6442]

TSM Caps?

[@MegaPalmere]

Shit, Wunder's leaving for G2 aint he ?

[@codycarroll5866]

Regarding Alphari I think everyone needs to watch the 57 minute team liquid bud light interview on the team liquid league of legends channel.

[@wrupnick]

Why watch more Team Liquid PR lies?

[@Nebrophonus93]

Presented by Bud Light Taco Bell Burger King Marvel Team Liquid interview

[@gaxx18]

I think noone needs to watch a bullshit pr stunt that serves as nothing but an ad for sponsors.

[@MaZuRpL1]

@@gaxx18 just watch it alphari doesn't give a shit about tl narrative

[@jimmyjohnson9548]

Monte is the Globalists Globalist

[@JanAlleman1]

G2 isn't amazing... perkz was, Perkz was in all G2 line-ups that did well. Did Wunder, Jankos and MikyX ever win a split before they joined perkz (not G2)? no

[@maiko26-dev]

Going to losers bracket isn't a disadvantage.

[@georgeking581]

One team goes to the semi final, the second has to win a game to go to the semi final. Which team has an advantage?

[@maiko26-dev]

@@georgeking581 One team lost an extra game the other team didn't, which team has an advantage ? In normal bracket the team that wins Upper bracket wins the whole tourney, if ur gonna give an extra chance to the team that loses AKA GIVE THEM THE ADVANTAGE you gotta balance it back and give something to the upper bracket team or simply don't have double elim.

[@MaZuRpL1]

Yeah so why do they play 1 game per week ? If prep is not important just shorten worlds to 1 week tournament (with current format) that it should be from the start instead of "grand" 1 month for 3 bo5 games

[@maiko26-dev]

@@MaZuRpL1 yea sure shorten it, i dont get the corelation here Playing less games isn't an advantage especially when the standard format literally offer u the championship instead in that situation

[@MaZuRpL1]

@@maiko26-dev it isn't standard format worlds are worst playoffs format in any riot tournament right now and one of the worst tournament formats in esport. And about 1 week and no correlation riot thinks that you need 1 week to prepare for each oponnent being in final while other teams need to play 1-2 bo5s inside that week should be big enough advantage for riot

[@mastercalippo]

perkz lol

[@mastercalippo]

spica is the best jungler in lcs he has huni swordart and lost in his team

[@MG-pf5xm]

G2 just needed some young blood like crownshot not another veteran like reckless

[@wojciechdusza1256]

I think that Jankos and Wunder said that they didn't want a rookie couse they don't want to teach them a game. Rather they want a veteran who knows basics about a game and will have different opinions

[@rockdalianninja1056]

I like kaizen he gets sports monte double elim sucks, IF your team CANNOT win a best of series they DONT deserve a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! If you want 2 teams to play each other have a better group stage playoffs should be lose and your out period

[@fncam980]

I dont like this kaizen guy ..

[@Ryan-si1yj]

Loving the diversity guys; you're safe for another week.

[@brunosusnjara271]

Absolutely, but it's a bit worrysome that no openly trans person has been on the show yet...

[@Ryan-si1yj]

@@brunosusnjara271 Shall we get our pitchforks in that case?

[@brunosusnjara271]

@@Ryan-si1yj for sure!

[@LordFalzar]

@@brunosusnjara271 How is that worrisome in any fucking way? Who is worried and why? Is something going to happen if the guests invited, and that accept the invistation, aren't a specific sexually? Wtf

[@ging8137]

@@LordFalzar no, they're just mad that a black person got invited to the talkshow and assume hes here because of his race and not the fact that hes been involved in league esports for longer than most people have been following the game.