FOB vs Fletching

[@tronny4981]

Hey Sean, I think you should keep mentioning and supporting that go fund me page for that young cancer patient

[@seansoutdoors]

I've already recorded my next ten videos and they are pretty much ready to upload, but here is the link for that family. www.gofundme.com/f/help-the-scheller-family?+share-sheet

[@erinnewman8900]

I love the FOB's, I've changed over to them for hunting.

[@seansoutdoors]

Nice

[@l00nybin]

FOBs are all I use on my hunting arrows when I hunt from a stand. I use vanes only when I'm in a blind with the shoot-through mesh. I wish we could post images in the comments, because I would show my 35yd shots with a 25mph Kansas crosswind using FOBs and vanes. The results are very telling.

[@-lovefromnh]

Does your nock actually come off with the fob when you hit an animal?

[@l00nybin]

@@-lovefromnh yes, the nock sticks in the FOB, and the FOB marks where to start looking for blood.

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks for watching.

[@davidschwartz2398]

I've hunted with FOBs for years and absolutely love their performance in all kinds of weather and the convenience.You will be amazed. Incidentally, DIY Sportsman has a technique that makes the FOBs even better.

[@seansoutdoors]

Yeah. I was talking with Brink from FOBs about Garrett's video he has on that.

[@JM-sj4wj]

I’m a creature of habit. I don’t know if I could change. I still use a capture rest because I like less moving parts. Less to go wrong

[@seansoutdoors]

Do what makes you confident

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

Dopaway rests are bether. I use QuadUltraRest. It work well, i shot whit it 2500times whitout problem. Its a very good usa product!

[@lhb4031]

Well I hunt with whiskers satisfied with it to old to change now, but I will see what you come up with. Thanks

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks

[@cw2gsp]

Sean watch out for string pinch on those. Take a close up pic at full draw to see if sting is pinching FOB

[@seansoutdoors]

It didn't appear to be

[@DzasterNL]

Looks interesting, also the quick fletch option.. i'm pretty new into archery but want to go hunting too... here in The Netherlands its not popular also illigal to hunt over here.. That makes me to do many thing myself because we have a few shops in the country and not that many contacts to change info with. Just want simple stuff that won't break easily like a whisker biscuit and quick fletching to make it easy for me... Altough the pro's of a QAD ultra rest makes me doubt about my options here...

[@seansoutdoors]

That's tough. I feel for you

[@welderoo]

I really like the concept especially with no jigging rig and wanted to get into bare shaft tuning for more foc “adult arrows “ but after only a few shots I have already broken a bunch I find them quite fragile and would have to be careful with them if doing any amount of shooting with them

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks for sharing

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks brother and congrats on that buck

[@darwindarwin141]

Don’t shoot groups and they won’t break

[@-lovefromnh]

Sean, Can you just move the fob forward to clear your face and still use your nocking point?

[@l00nybin]

No. The nock holds the FOB in place. I don't have face contact issues, but my anchor is lower than Sean's. He is anchoring near his ear. I anchor at the corner of my jaw and have no contact.

[@erinnewman8900]

@@l00nybin same here I anchor with my first knuckle behind my jaw, have no issues with face contact.

[@-lovefromnh]

@@l00nybin he has that button in the corner of his mouth. That is what he was using as an anchor as well. From what I gathered, he could not get that to settle because of the fob. I have seen this same thing with fletchings. You simply glue your fletchings further forward on the arrow.

[@l00nybin]

@@-lovefromnh The FOB can't move forward, but it can be used like the kisser button if you don't use a lower anchor point. I already used a lower anchor, so when I switched to FOBs, I didn't have any issues.

[@-lovefromnh]

@@l00nybin I thought you could slide the fob along the arrow shaft and place it anywhere? Are you saying that you plug the arrow shaft into one side of the fob and the nock in the other?

[@brittinghammerforge9441]

If you shoot a deer and the fob is larger than the broadhead will it pop off on impact? Seems like junk to me.

[@l00nybin]

Just because you're unfamiliar with it doesn't make it junk. They work incredibly well. The FOB is *designed to pop off* on contact with the deer. This affords: A. Easy marking where to start searching for blood B. Less drag on the arrow as it passes through since it doesn't have to drag the vanes through the body.

[@seansoutdoors]

It is made to pop off.

[@jasonmelby6221]

I love the idea of fobs, unfortunately they didn’t work for me and my anchor. Too much face contact, sent all of my arrows to the left very inconsistently. Good luck with them.

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks

[@jasonmelby6221]

If they were designed with an extension on the back that allowed them to be further down the shaft I would use them in a heartbeat. The engineering seems solid.

[@seansoutdoors]

Seems like some people are drilling them out and sliding then down the shaft around tape or a wrap to be able to do that.

[@gregmauchline9146]

This is something that might go places. I've been wondering where the technology would take us.

[@l00nybin]

Sadly, IBO and ASA have banned them from competitions, so they haven't taken off as much as they could. Mr. Morris (the man who designed them) didn't have the strongest marketing acumen, so they kind of languished for several years until the latest group of guys bought the company and are pushing hard with better marketing.

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks for sharing.

[@rockyreynolds4027]

With shorter AtoA bows the fobs did not work for me either

[@seansoutdoors]

Okay

[@TheMrmax00000]

Hi Sean, Did you keep using FOB's. There is a little trick you can do. Drill the little inner lip out of the FOB and slide it further up your arrow so they don't interfere with your anchor point. Then Glue in 3 spots on the front side so when they hit the animal they can still pop off.

[@seansoutdoors]

Cool. I haven't been using them but I'll keep that idea in mind. God bless you

[@plankshield]

Related question, A lot of hunters now days have pretty compact quivers (Like the Carbon Solo) Which require the fletchings to be in line with the broadheads for everything to fit.. I am not sure the FOB would even work on many compact quivers. Could you look at that?

[@seansoutdoors]

It may not work

[@bryanvyse3333]

The “extra” nock can come off (slowing your string) and use the fob as your kisser. The fob is awesome, controls broadheads fantastic!

[@seansoutdoors]

The extra nock actually speeds up which is why they attach them near the top and bottom of the string ... I think it would be too awkward to use a FOB in place of the nock point.

[@bryanvyse3333]

Sean's Outdoor Adventures sorry i thought you were using a nock as a kisser button. Speed nocks or speed balls work well if you have a chrono and time to monkey around moving them ever so slightly for sure, on custom replacement strings that is, oem are standard. I love using my fobs as kisser buttons so to speak. Feeling that fob tells me anchor is perfect

[@toxicshadowwcnd9674]

Hey Sean if you want a good challenge for the 2020 deer season I'd say try to go the whole season with nothing but fobs.

[@seansoutdoors]

I don't see that as a challenge lol. But thanks for thinking of me in that way.

[@l00nybin]

I have hunted with only FOBs since 2011, except when I was in a blind with shoot-through mesh.

[@doncaruso1949]

You need to use reflective wraps with them and you can drill out the fobs and slide the fob forward on to the wrap and they won't move.

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks. Probably better if you have a drill press and don't have to free hand it.

[@cw2gsp]

Garrett has a video on it Sean check it out.

[@seansoutdoors]

They told me about it when they called me and asked me to try them out.

[@shadyp-zv3uf]

can you use those with a wisker biscuit?

[@seansoutdoors]

No

[@dr.greenthumb8895]

I am interested in fob.

[@seansoutdoors]

Cool

[@vitodelorto1796]

They look like a great way to dispatch of FOC. How much do they weigh? Can you slide them forward on the shaft?

[@seansoutdoors]

I'll have to weigh them to find out. You'd have to drill them out and use a wrap on the shaft to slide them up

[@vitodelorto1796]

@@seansoutdoors could be worth the hassle. Veins get stretched, wrinkled, and distorted. For all the trouble we go through to build exactly identical arrows, these may be a way to get another measure of that. I could see them keeping long range groups a little tighter. That would make a good video😂

[@RonTruocchio]

seems to me a good day of practice at the range is gonna leave a lot of plastic on the ground

[@seansoutdoors]

👍

[@boomerrangerron]

Very interesting Sean! Have you ever used or done a video on the NAP Quick Fletch? I'm impressed with the simplicity of adding them to an arrow instead of standard vane fletching.

[@seansoutdoors]

No I haven't used them.

[@erinnewman8900]

I did a dozen arrows with the Bohning quick fletch (same thing) just to see how they do and they worked extremely well. Just get a pot of boiling water a least 9 inches deep and dip them in. They shrink very tightly, they will not move once set. The fletchings are in the right orientation, no issues whatsoever. A little expensive but so is buying all the stuff to glue them on. I would use them again.

[@seansoutdoors]

Cool

[@woodsdog7849]

Hi Sean I was considering looking into these FOB's as well as I'm going to an EFOC arrow build this year for Whitetails and thought they may be convenient to tune up an arrow of different spine(s) to get one flying well with 18% + FOC. In a few of your videos ago (I can't remember which one but I think it was during one of your reviews of the Expedition bows) you said you will be trying turkey hunting with archery gear for the first time this year. I really enjoy it but I am curious as to what broadhead you will be shooting? Are you going the route of many and just using your whitetail setup or will you be trying something like a Magnus Bullhead to just aim at the head and neck? My current setup is a Grim Reaper Whitetail Special Mechanical which opens up 2" wide upon impact. I do not use that for whitetails though. I am no longer using mechanicals on deer anymore as I am interested in the heavy arrow EFOC benefits but was wondering what your gear choices will be for Spring Gobblers!! That would be an interesting video.

[@seansoutdoors]

I'll probably use an expandable and fat arrows intended for target (line cutters) to increase friction and reduce the possibility of a passthrough

[@woodsdog7849]

@@seansoutdoors I don't shoot much target but for Turkeys, my arrows are XX75 2213's which certainly are "fatter" than my standard sized carbon arrows with a .245 ID.

[@raymondjones1866]

Instead of painting vinyl white wraps and anchor point they have those new nose buttons

[@seansoutdoors]

Yup

[@Liam-ql7tr]

loved my FOBs when I had them... You do NEED to adjust your anchor so you are not touching the FOB. I also recommend not to group them particularly at close range. If the prices have dropped I would get them again

[@seansoutdoors]

I think they are around $29 for 12 or something along those lines.

[@welderoo]

Check out Camofire they are one there every now and then for like 12$ for a dozen

[@jakep111]

Nice

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks

[@doncaruso1949]

I have used them for ten years.

[@seansoutdoors]

Great

[@frostcb2]

Not for me

[@seansoutdoors]

Understandable. Everyone is different

[@HardRockMiner]

Arrows have worked the way they are for hundreds and hundreds of years. If they want to improve on something try tackling world hunger. My arrows are perfect the way they are.

[@l00nybin]

Let me guess, you only hunt with a bow you have been from ash yourself, with turkey feathers you have personally plucked and prepared for fletching? Technology advances in every area of life, and archery is no different. Compound bows, aluminum arrows, plastic vanes, stainless steel boradheads, mechanical broadheads... Now, the fletching has been improved. An aerospace engineer designed the FOB, and it works fantastic for stabilizing broadheads faster and not being affected by crosswinds as much. It also marks the spot where you can start tracking when it pops off as the arrow passes through the animal. I put a reflective wrap on mine, so finding them in the dark is incredibly easy.

[@HardRockMiner]

@@l00nybin - "Don't fix it if it ain't broke." - Jim Einstein. Albert's lesser known and smarter brother. And, if you're having trouble with arrow stabilization maybe you should learn how to properly check and service your gear..? Sean can help with that if you need advice..? Ever heard the saying "straight as an arrows."? That came from people who serviced theirs.

[@l00nybin]

@@HardRockMiner I have no problems with arrow stabilization, but physics is physics: A. floppy vanes will not start an arrow spinning (the stabilizing force) as fast as rigid vanes. The FOB has rigid "vanes" inside the ring, so it stabilizes faster than vanes will. B. A 2" high-profile vane like the Blazer vane will catch more crosswind and be affected more than a FOB that has a total crosswind profile of 1/2". I've seen the results myself, have pictures of it, but KZbin doesn't allow us to post photos in the comments.

[@seansoutdoors]

Lol I'm staying out of this conversation. Lol.

[@l00nybin]

@@seansoutdoors let us tech-heads "Duke it out." As for your face contact: try anchoring at the corner of your jaw instead of at your ear. You would have to readjust your sight, but you wouldn't have to worry about anything touching your face.

[@1ststater611]

Not so much FOB. Just shoot no better way

[@seansoutdoors]

Thanks