I switched about a year ago or so. I found my nocking point had to be lifted.Its almost 3/4 inch now. You are right about arrow speed. Have a great day!
@jwthompson594411 ай бұрын
Great information and having shot a stick some 40 plus yrs. I have to agree with you 100%, Some folks are not susceptible to change, that's bow hunting is all about, Keep it coming.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
LET IT BE KNOWN I am not knocking anyone that uses feathers! In many ways, they cant be beat. And again....they look darn cool!
@andrewvautour17959 ай бұрын
I have been looking at these for about a year now and you helped me to decide to switch, thank you.
@EthanPageHunter9 ай бұрын
They are best option out there if you are shooting an elevated shelf. I’ve never been super pleased with off the shelf flight. Only on a couple bows have I got good results off the shelf.
@davisstellman2 жыл бұрын
I've heard of spray lacquers, powders, etc being ways of really waterproofing feathers. AAE tradvanes are something I haven't played with yet but they sure do look neat and reliable. I've been considering going from 3 to 2 fletch and shooting three under. With a single bevel broadhead they'd have more than enough rotation and stability and even with field points it would probably hold true. Would be super neat to play with. Also, I think 3" feathers are such a game changer compared to having to shoot 4-5". I've had no problems with the shorter feathers they fly a tad faster and are quieter than the longer ones.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@0ooTheMAXXoo02 жыл бұрын
Feathers should be quiet, but I bet how they are treated these days might remove the microscopic properties that would make them more silent. Maybe we should be hunting with owl feathers?
@0ooTheMAXXoo02 жыл бұрын
@@EthanPageHunter did you test the noise with feathers cut to the same size as your vanes? As for visibility, fathers and vanes can be colored the same colors... Some traditions shoot unfletched arrows and some have very small feathers for better speed over longer distances... But even in the English longbow traditions, the fletching should not be as big as most sell them these days.. Techniques to send arrows straight from your bow without so much stabilization needed can be learned in a minute or two... We have instincts for archery, kind of like walking or running... we just have to work on those muscle groups, the nervous system pathways get stronger with regular use and intent... Pick up a basic bow with no arrow rest, do something like what Armin Hirmer calls "simple khatra", or what many longbow people call "pushing" on the bow when arrow is on inside... You will get the hang of natural archery in a shot or three... As long as the bow is easy to pull, easy to control, you can make even unfletched arrows fly so straight with a little practice or maybe super quick, it is like you get the hang of it all of a sudden... Thank the ancestors! ...At least from a scientific viewpoint...
@davisstellman2 жыл бұрын
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 I've actually wondered this too. The way they are grown is unlike any other feather it is fascinating. It's just illegal to use them unfortunately (in America)
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 I have done audible testing on feathers and they are definitely louder. I agree to an extent but there are generally still a lot more factors that go into a bare shaft flying straight. too stiff or too weak and it will ultimately fly sideways down range. This is where tune becomes critical. Yes arrows should require little fletching to steer them but in realty, not many are going to take the time to tune. thus the need for larger fletchings. not to mention the advantage of getting full pass through on animals with less than 40# with a good tune because that arrow is efficient.. most also dont need to shoot 60+ pound bows. its not necessary. But archery is ultimately what you make of it. I just like to do more with less and tinker to get there.
@stevethomas1429 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information! You helped me decide on my setup this year.
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
Glad to help! Good luck!
@longbo27712 жыл бұрын
I have enough feathers to make about 35 dozen arrows but on a whim I've tried Trad Vanes and I like them. They are noticeably quieter, faster, and the price is less than half that of feathers. I shoot 3 fletch that I put on with a straight clamp. I don't know if I will switch completely to them, but I have one in the quiver for wet days.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
The price is a point I didn’t even consider. The cost of gateways is insane..
@lets_fish_already_93452 жыл бұрын
Have you ever had vanes cause the arrow to move up and down? I normally shoot feathers but tried a few arrows that have a little bit higher spine with vanes and it causes the arrow to wiggle up and down when shot.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Trad vanes collapse just like feathers and won’t alter the flight of your arrow even off the shelf.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Good tune is a little more important for making these shine IMO
@plsbanhackers9031 Жыл бұрын
It’s the spine that’s affecting the flight. Try tuning bareshaft at 10-20m once you get them flying straight the fletching won’t be a problem
@Fender1031 Жыл бұрын
I had durability issues with the tradvanes. Switched to just low profile Vanetec V Max vanes shooting off a Hoyt stick on . I 4 fletch 3 inch vanes. Im a bit slower with the heavier vanes. I struggled with feathers because broadhead stabilization was off when they were wet. I got wobble in my arrow flight and I did not like that. Im not "trad" anymore apparently but I dont really care lol... I shoot a single sight pin too on a bow that my grandpa shot in the 60s with the same sight pin ...
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
If it works do it. “Trad” is an over rated thing that people get worked up over. Do you my friend.
@Fender1031 Жыл бұрын
@@EthanPageHunter exactly. I'm not competing so I don't really care. If I was competing I'd make changes but I don't think deer are that concerned about how my bow looks lol.
@neabowhunters8107 Жыл бұрын
Been trying trad vanes in 4 fletch. Arrow is tuned perfectly bare shaft but I out these on and I’m getting a ton of strike plate contact. Like it’s peeling my strike plate on the edge in 2 spots. Any advise?
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
Spine. Only thing it can be.
@0ooTheMAXXoo02 жыл бұрын
Feathers should extend from the arrow as far as the arrow is wide. Most arrows with feathers have feathers that are way too big for the arrow... So more effect from the air for sure...
@dianslabbert5049 ай бұрын
In my own experience, I have seen plastic vanes destroy wooden arrow rests over time. I started with plastic vanes. They were cutting a groove into the wood of my bow and even the decorative leather with all the shooting I was doing. Then I went with feathers and I never looked back. This was 16+ years ago, so I don't know if there are new plastics with are more forgiving on wood. If I were to start using plastic vanes again I would use it with a bow with a handle made from modern material or at least have the arrow rest be reinforced with a modern material to protect the wood of the bow.
@EthanPageHunter9 ай бұрын
I can see that. I only shoot them in elevated
@longdrawarcher4857 Жыл бұрын
Hey I have to ask, but do you live on the tippicanoe river in indiana? Your yard looks identical to my grandparents yard they use to have. I know it’s a weird question but I couldn’t help but ask.
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
No worries. I live in Missouri.
@grumpyolddan78032 жыл бұрын
How do you shoot them off the shelf ?
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
They shoot of the shelf with no issue. They are a collapsing vane not ridged like a normal plastic fletching.
@martythompson65092 жыл бұрын
fWIW, rear weight stiffens not weakens spines. You may have lighter fletches but you are running four not three so weight is a bit acedemic as is claiming less surface area for water to sit on. Not trying to persuade you either way. I use both. Both are great. Hunting I'd use trad vanes. Target I use feathers. I don't shoot targets in the rain....
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
You do have to tune based off of the number, size and material for sure cause it will effect it (I do prefer a touch on the stiff end). Another added beny to the vanes, those four way less than three feathers. For target I absolutely agree. Some Vegas shooters even use feathers.
@theweaponscollectiveedge8632 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the view and support!
@ronaldstanovitch761711 ай бұрын
What's hair blowers
@EthanPageHunter11 ай бұрын
Hair dryer
@matthewvassar9686 Жыл бұрын
Parabolic cut is more quiet and possible speed increase.
@johnbottone4996 Жыл бұрын
I think all the things that you're saying are true. Accept the part about it, knocking it. Because your arrow is on the bow before the deer comes the right way. You hardly ever get a second shot, and if you do, you have an index on the Knox so you don't have to look so that part is somewhat erroneous. But thanks for a great presentation on those. They are great. Lefty
@liftrunthrow2 жыл бұрын
dude..gamechanger! not to mention theyre cheaper!
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Agreed 👍🏼
@lawrencefranck94172 жыл бұрын
Fletch feathers are very forgiving wet, dirt clogged or partially ripped off they fly. I’ve tried soaking an arrow over night and shot it it the morning. Without shaking it out it flew just fine. I’m saying water doesn’t effect a feather fletch.
@micahspur2 жыл бұрын
It does with a broadhead.
@Tradman479 ай бұрын
To each there own both will get the job done
@EthanPageHunter9 ай бұрын
For sure. I’ll be hunting with feathers this year.
@0ooTheMAXXoo02 жыл бұрын
Could have been the sound of the release that made the turkey duck... You have no way of knowing...
@liberty78359 ай бұрын
Spray silicone on feathers 👍
@monocogenit1 Жыл бұрын
I have the Easton legacy arrows, 400 spine 31", they are made in China and I don't like the wrap/fake wrap, I think it affects the performance of the arrow. And those arrows, seem like they have crappy feathers. I just built some Easton 6.5 match arrow shafts, True flight 4" feathers, they seem like nicer quality feathers.
@UncleDanBand64 Жыл бұрын
Never tried the vanes.
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
Worth a try
@UncleDanBand64 Жыл бұрын
@BackwardsHatNation Maybe you can show how your rest and side plate is setup. I am shooting straight off a leather rest and side plate on my recurve and calf hair on my longbow. Maybe just take some pics and throw them up on your community posts. Heck you might even have a video on it.
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
@@UncleDanBand64 they work with anything you got. I’m shooting off the shelf with Velcro rest now.
@UncleDanBand64 Жыл бұрын
@BackwardsHatNation thanks, I will give it a try
@tomfisher478 ай бұрын
Feathers are cooler 😎
@0ooTheMAXXoo02 жыл бұрын
If you are talking arrow tuning then you are talking modern archery... IMO... Archery existed since the stone age, but the modern style of target archery came about in Victorian Britain in the late 1800s and that style is the common style taught today with its focus on set distances and equipment tuning and a set way of shooting..
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
Even Native American understand arrow flight characteristics. Some many Eastern and Western tribes used cane or mule fat for the back 2/3 of the arrow and hard wood for the front 1/3. The extent it’s taken to may perhaps be modern but the principle of arrow tune is ancient. Thanks for the comment 🤙🏼
@phillipcondra5770 Жыл бұрын
Those turkeys you were hunting can stand out in the rain all day and when they need to fly they do so perfectly ! So do my 5 inch feathers. Go ahead and buy you self a compound bow !!
@Tradhuntdeer11 ай бұрын
It's not all about being up to date some of us want to be like the good old times
@longdrawarcher48579 ай бұрын
They are pretty expensive
@vanislandsteve2 жыл бұрын
👍🏻🇨🇦
@uncleremus50462 жыл бұрын
I could do without the rap music on your vids otherwise good content.
@allangilbert70115 ай бұрын
Deer squat at the sound of the bow being shot and not the arrow in flight.
@EthanPageHunter5 ай бұрын
@@allangilbert7011 I would have to disagree to great extent but thanks for watching and commenting.
@DLB1858 Жыл бұрын
So, if you suck you should shoot feathers?
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
5” feathers will always provide greatest stability.
@jonbrown94909 ай бұрын
If your gear isn't tuned very well, then a larger feather will help compensate for the poor flight you may be getting. If you "suck" then you're probably better off doing some bareshaft tuning along with shooting with shorter fletching so as not to hide your mistakes, and just practice a lot more...then you'll get better over time.
@ront87782 жыл бұрын
Trad vanes are considerably heavier than feather fletching, NOT lighter.
@EthanPageHunter2 жыл бұрын
I beg to differ there. Maybe comparing 3” feathers to 3” TVs. MAYBE. Depends on feather perhaps but that’s not the data I’ve gathered.
@beorbeorian150 Жыл бұрын
People associate bows with Native Americans. However it was Europeans that introduced the bow to the Native Americans.
@Edcar-z5x Жыл бұрын
The present thinking is that the bow came to North American form Asia around 3000 bc. I don’t know if I believe that either. Scientist for some reason aren’t able to believe that native people from north or South American where able to invent or develop for themself. They most likely developed it themself.