FOG Comparison after GTA San Andreas Definitive Edition update

[@DrBIeed]

Its so funny, when the game originally came out on PS2 I think most of us assumed it was just a cover for hardware limitations. In reality it actually did serve a purpose.

[@JPX64Channel]

that's why fog is present in gta 5 as well.

[@sabarigirinath7251]

@@JPX64Channel Yes i too have noticed it in GTA 5. Even in RDR2 fog is present despite RDR2 map being very big. The fog serves as the optical illusion to make the Map seem more Bigger, Mysterious and unpredictable too.

[@AmirVD_027]

I think fog apply to real life too

[@FarhanNoor]

They were clever about it. The hardware limitation definitely played a part in it tho. Man do I miss old R*.

[@bhagirathpriyavrat821]

@@sabarigirinath7251 it also covers up low quality lods from a distance.

[@Nazrat84]

It's such a simple yet effective thing that many people miss. Glad the fog is back without messing up the rendering distance from above

[@jeffstacy6636]

you like it? l think it looks AWFUL

[@jacoblq1270]

@@jeffstacy6636 ok

[@cmoneytheman]

@@jacoblq1270 ok what

[@cmoneytheman]

@@jeffstacy6636 it looks bad to me to cause its not right

[@jacoblq1270]

@@cmoneytheman idk

[@SachinNarine054]

0:53 I see they still got leaves floating off the cliff lol

[@GRAv111]

“Definitive edition”

[@Luis-Hernandez.2022]

Those are rock pubes.

[@Thundertrooper10]

they probs will fix that eventually

[@borys0917]

@@Thundertrooper10 Nope, they won't

[@skrublordnord69]

@@borys0917 they may or they may not. I mean they added fog so you never know. Only time will tell

[@busyworksbeats]

That background beat is crazy 🔥

[@eddiegutierrezz]

I've seen you! Keep making sick beats ♥️

[@realrandiee]

what is it called?

[@xtcyonthebeat]

Yeaaa busy works beatsssssssssssss

[@mayankghanghas9668]

@@realrandiee GTA san Andreas grove street theme song

[@ep1k_4]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZSQq5-QnJxqfdE

[@yonimeller]

For me this fog isn't enough for a number of reasons: 1. It looks like just a 2D cloud layer like the one seen in GTA V when you go up high enough. The modded fog looked like actual atmospheric scattering which is the desired look. 2. The fog is only seen from a certain height, it should always be present. 3. You can still very clearly see -the outline of the map- the entire map through the fog including each city's buildings, which kinda defeats the whole point. 4. It looks like a layer of rainy clouds at all times, which looks pretty ugly in most scenarios. Overall this is a very lazy and hastily-done fix. The same result could be achieved by scrolling a 2D noise texture over the map.

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Meh, im finally satisfied because of this simple update

[@BigSmoke20061989]

I only play the original version on PS3 ❤❤❤

[@yonimeller]

@@BigSmoke20061989 The PS3 version is not the original it's literally the version the definitive edition is based on

[@BigSmoke20061989]

@@yonimeller no i mean the PS2 Version on the PS3. I bought it 2012 in Playstation Network Store

[@esandoval2452]

It looks so much better now!

[@esandoval2452]

they need to fix more stuff like this and fps

[@danteferraro23]

yes

[@Arthur32O]

you are very innocent. lol

[@Arthur32O]

they remaster the game in Unreal engine and they put a flat texture and call it fog..all yes much better.

[@danteferraro23]

@@Arthur32O it is actually better though

[@amirpourghoureiyan1637]

Looks good when you're at Mount Chilliad - the Birdseye perspective still leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully they'll stick to their promise, especially with console owners denied refunds.

[@Sayajin3321]

I'm on switch and I copped a refund

[@unhandydaddy5117]

Good to know that fog is back. Without it the map just feels small, empty and well lifeless. I know that the San Andreas map is comparatively small by modern standards but it never felt small. You could never see where the map begins and ends which adds the illusion of it being bigger than it actually is.

[@abirneji]

it also made the map look like it was hovering around in some sorta blue hell or something, it was really weird

[@Fish-pi8lv]

The San Andreas map always felt lifeless. It probably has one of the most creepy and eerie maps in all gta,s

[@sadimammadov945]

Bro these people at Grove Street Games can't get a W for fucks sake just ask the modders how they have done it they just added a layer of fog and you can only see it when you reach a certain height,mods made it look better and natural.

[@themeparktre4841]

Boo hooo

[@Deridiya]

I just kinda feel bad for them now... GGS is a mobile game studio with only like 20-30 members, and rockstar probably didn't let them test the game further and went: nah just ship that shit

[@jameson3500]

They can't, because of cancel culture. What if they use a modder's work and it turns out the modder said a bad word 20 years ago? CANCELLED. I'm being semi-serious here. They can only use their purple haired SJWs to make games.

[@sadimammadov945]

@@themeparktre4841 unlike you I like it when a product has a certain level of quality put into it.

[@sadimammadov945]

@@Deridiya I also feel bad but at the same time I don't they are really incompetent they had worse bugs in their previous SA port and they just didn't fix them and that actually makes me believe that they are unable.I don't really know about making games but GSG obviously lack the experience, they are just amateurish.

[@onee]

It honestly looks much better, especially that ocean in the background being kinda invisible now.

[@thespeedsHD]

I don't know still looks weird, happy that we got Fog but it just looks like clouds just right above the city and see the clouds in the sky, just feels like it could be better

[@Nazrat84]

That's smog, that's realistic to the setting.

[@martinhorvath4117]

@@Nazrat84 In 1980s LA? Yep.

[@SaintDiaz]

@@martinhorvath4117 1992 actually

[@SaintDiaz]

@@martinhorvath4117 what made you think 80s? 😂😂 were not in vice city anymore

[@martinhorvath4117]

@@SaintDiaz late 80s.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Honestly, the skyview in Definitive Edition looks almost beautiful. The fog make it even better.

[@RUSEOfficial]

Yeah, if the skybox wasn't broken 💀

[@LockerDope]

@@RUSEOfficial pretty sure they kinda fixed the skybox

[@Swaggajay92]

Really pathetic how video game companies only fix their games after complaints but won’t make sure they’re fixed beforehand.

[@Juancastilo-i2d]

Tbh atleast im kinda glad rockstar fixed it

[@mesi1402]

modders have done a better work imo, it's better but it could've been waaaay better

[@vision4393]

Lol ,modder just made the whole map foggy , rockstar ones better

[@mesi1402]

@@vision4393 if the mods had clouds, there would be no discussion, I don't think this looks better.

[@Caiosniper1]

Rockstar fog looks like low altitude clouds, while the modded fog looks like an atmospheric fog which you can only see from a great distance

[@zzzhuh]

Everyone talking about fog... In my og PS2 version, it just shows blue when you're on the tallest building. There are clouds when you're flying which I'd imagine makes it so that you can't see as far (possibly even loading) but fog isn't nearly as present as everyone's making it seem.

[@madhunter6420]

@@zzzhuh that is called low draw distance

[@Fish-pi8lv]

They needed to do the fog like the original. I wish there was a thing to lower render distance.

[@claudiobarahona2884]

Looks better

[@eihodge]

The fog they added is literally all at one level. It just looks like a big flat 2D sprite laying over the entire map. The modded version may have less detail to the fog, but at least it has volume instead of just being a thin layer over everything.

[@Jedi_Luke]

I'm glad they are working to fix this game so fast ( it should've never released this way in the first place, but that's another discussion). Now if they can just lock the frame rates, I think it can actually be a pretty decent remaster.

[@Hannah_The_Heretic]

so glad i still have all my original gta games and a ps2 to play them, still the best way to play in my opinion.

[@an67ony]

The remaster is definitely improved but it still needs some more changes. #rockstarneedstohiremodders

[@Juancastilo-i2d]

Rockstar should not hire shitty ass companys like grove street games next time

[@an67ony]

@@Juancastilo-i2d facts

[@eihodge]

@@Juancastilo-i2d To be fair, Grove Street games has like 20 employees and they had to remaster THREE games. Most remasters of individual games are done by at least 100 people, so they were severely understaffed for this project. Blame Rockstar for giving a small studio an impossible task (and clearly not enough time to complete it). This was so far out of the scope of grovestreet games' ~20 employees, I bet they all thought it was a sick joke when they found out they were being given such an enormous project.

[@yourstruly9879]

@@eihodge I thought this and didn’t blame Grove Street Games until the CEO of them said that there was no issues with the trilogy, after that I give them a lot of the blame

[@eihodge]

@@yourstruly9879 You have a point. Rockstar should have been more involved in the development from the beginning though. If they kept a close watch on the project as it developed, maybe they would have delayed the release date.

[@ARmy2510]

Now it looks at lot better. Simple but works and give an impression of curvy Earth.

[@OokileyGMR]

Modders did it better in my opinion. All Rockstar did was implement a cloud. You can still see the distant objects are not diluted into the atmosphere and there is no ground fog like you see in distant skylines. It's a nice implementation though, but they could do a better job.

[@vinylcrackle7330]

I agree

[@Where_is_Waldo]

0:52 ha Chilliad has it's own list of bugs (floating rocks)... and that place the collision effect doesn't line up with the ground but I think that was in the original as well. I'm sure there's more, I know in the PS2 version the pilots can't seem to see the mountain - I died too many times that way.

[@Grim2]

Looks more like a forest fire smoke than an atmospheric fog though.

[@1234serivi]

Hemos sido los putos betatesters para que este juego salga perfecto en edición física el 7 de diciembre. Algo así como una beta abierta pero pagando 60$

[@lucidlocomotive2014]

I just need them to bring back the original pause menu sound effects for III and VC, and then also bring back the original fonts for “busted” and “wasted”. That way it will feel more natural going from III to VC to SA to IV to V. Right now there are too many elements from V copied over so it breaks the progression going thru these to IV then V

[@joxal2555]

Díganme que lo que ví de la distancia de dibujado no es una actualización del juego 😭

[@cerebrodelictivocarclubps4309]

Eeeiii

[@hernanbadu]

Aunque no lo creas se retrasó para el 17 de Diciembre ahora :/

[@nightdoge6449]

@@hernanbadu es lo mejor, así no nos entregarán la versión mal hecha de la digital, Rockstar Redemption

[@gfunkin2]

Great. Except that the "ground fog" is only visible from high in the sky and I can still see Mt. Chiliad from Grove Street smh. And now the new update is causing all this stuttering on the PS4. Great stuff.

[@MrMattimation]

Fairly certain you can see the San Gabriel mountains from street level in most parts of Los Angeles County, Compton included.

[@gfunkin2]

@@MrMattimation That's nice. But this is GTA SA not GTA V.

[@declinejosh]

@@gfunkin2 no one said its gta V

[@gfunkin2]

@@LibtarDemonRat GTA V was more of a one to one translation of Los Angeles than GTA SA. There are no "San Gabriel Mountains" in San Andreas, and certainly not something you should see from Santa Monica Beach, Compton, and San Francisco alike lol. Happy Wednesday.

[@Daxter250]

lmao, i can still see the edges of the map xDDD

[@Ace_RJ]

Ikr hahahaha 😂

[@alvzcizzler]

So they only added ground haze that's visible from high altitude only, no actual distance fog which they now added to GTA 3 but not GTA SA

[@lfmm97]

I don't think it looks better at all. It looks way worse. In that first clip it just looks like someone shat all over the city. For some reason people continue thinking the issue is lack of "fog" as though there's just supposed to be fog everywhere for the sake of it. The issue isn't lack of fog. The reason the fog was there in the original game was to hide the weak render distance. The reason the map looks weird at a longer distance is the fact that with this remaster they didn't actually make the map render all of the assets that are far away from you. There aren't any shadows being cast, which makes the map look flat. Not even Mount Chilliad casts a shadow when you're looking at it from the top of a skyscraper in one of the cities. Proper lighting/shadows makes a MASSIVE difference. Then, the vast majority of trees/objects aren't being rendered and the ones that are are very low poly. This then makes the map look very empty. On top of this, there are no volumetric clouds (which is also crucial) and the water looks absolutely awful because it looks the same color as the sky and doesn't properly reflect light and makes it so the map looks like it's floating in a void, which takes away even more perception of how far away things are, making the map look smaller than it is. The issue was never the lack of fog. Not having fog is good. You don't have fog on sunny days for no reason. It's all just terrible, man. The game looks off most of the time, either because of the weird colors in the sky that don't match the atmosphere of the game, the overly bright water that again, looks like it belongs in a completely different game, the character models, the change of the entire color scheme of the game that takes away from what San Andreas really was, the incredibly weak weather effects, etc. I could go on all day.

[@GodEye-96]

0:59 the pebbles still hanging on the cliff lol

[@RaytheonNublinski]

What sucks is this is a option that’s defaulted to off. And the game doesn’t advertise it to you so many people are not going to get this fix.

[@mattwolf7698]

@@LibtarDemonRat Most people I've seen complaining about these did play the OG games. I played the OG games and these are objectively glitcher, missing some songs (granted it might not have been possible to re-license some) have some weird models (I dont mind the cartoony look but Ryder looked bad when he was on a bike) also, the lack of fog just made the map feel small.

[@rafdor5131]

I still prefer the original gta San Andreas atmosphere and fog.

[@alejandroriqueury8377]

Needs more fog or lower the draw distance.

[@a-cxnt]

lowering the draw distance would've been more effective but okay

[@rot_studios]

That's the weirdest fog ever. It's a big improvement, sure, but remember it's an improvement from rock-bottom XD Is it really so hard to get these things right GSG? These things have been done before a hundred times, much better too. Look up a Google tutorial or something, haha.

[@robusttw4479]

This historic game deserves a much better improvement

[@matthewwilliams3827]

Just add a subtle gradient effect that radiates from the characters model over a long long distance that obscures the view further and further away, I’m sure that’s what the original developers did lol or in other words lower draw distance

[@ivagoo]

Look out how Groove Street Games mess this up and Rockstar itself has to fix this mess

[@jaimedelasmontanas]

still looks like ass, look at the water in the distance, they need to have the fog more up close

[@Alonsooooooo]

This is a good improvement, however, I'm still not satisfy, I think the render distance is still too much, when you are at middle altitude you can still see too far away.

[@geesecouchtaming7223]

Looks cool, but the mod look more complex and atmospheric

[@0slavsan0]

Happy that they added the fog now. Now the game doesn't look like a map editor anymore.

[@MirelRC]

At least they've added it, but doesn't look right.

[@AlfieTrevor4444]

It is an improvement I'll give them that but it's still not perfect I can still kinda see the other cities

[@wingedhussar1453]

We didn't want fog but glare to cover it.now it looks haunted

[@VolaticWolf]

Damn, i love this!

[@wolfgangbloodymeatsack1687]

Cheezy f***

[@MidnightPodcast]

They fucked it. I loved that you could see the entire map. Now it all looks like a big blur.

[@mattwolf7698]

Most people hated it, it made the map feel small and unrealistic, three large cities and different biomes right next ro each other. Really this map is just small by todays standards.

[@chris32177]

The games lags and stutters like crazy on Xbox one original and PS4 . This new update made it very unpleasant to play.

[@madhunter6420]

get a pc

[@KevinPascal-lv9xr]

Ah Nostalgia but keep in mind these 2001-2004 GTA Trilogy Original PS2 Release have multiple issues like Red Screen Of Death happening on all DVD Games that the buyers buy if they play those games for too long but it's OK nonetheless.

[@ZOIDGARTH]

They need to get rid of those horizon/background clouds. They're not needed and look like they are sitting at the literal edge of the world.

[@jns_dizzy]

Now we need heat rays on the ground that visual chizzle cus of the heat

[@Kratos_Messi7050]

Map feels alot bigger now dunno why

[@don8244]

Grove Street Games: My... I mean, our... first... Gold... RECORD.

[@XXtheJUMPoffXX]

Looks much more natural now

[@edward_agraz]

I honestly still don't like it, I like it when it looks from above, but once you get down to the ground, it disappears and only reappears if you are in a high place

[@AndrewVasirov]

Now they need to add real volumetric clouds and the game will be amazing again.

[@TheRockwhisperer]

In the second act of the game, after Sweet is shot, the fog gave a sense of being lost in the woods, it was amazing! Rockstar really fucked GTA SA DE up😢

[@askoldmodera]

0:54 But still leaves hang in air

[@obsessedDBz]

Remember people, it’s SMOG

[@stormofpayne]

It would be nice to see a comparison between new update and original.

[@memeplay4881]

This update fog feel original and better than mod. The modded one just look like GTA 5 fog

[@madhunter6420]

this sucks too the game needs low draw distance not fog

[@Berniebud]

Why not use normal fog?

[@Revusic]

But where are clouds?

[@consumer1073]

can you put the names of the soundtrack pieces from san andreas in the description?

[@BLUE-ll4gs]

They fix the fps when the night come to?

[@LewisCostin]

I don't know what they thought it was a good idea to remove it. Real life has an atmosphere too.

[@liamisic911]

how it honestly should have been

[@jedibateman9452]

Still alot to fix ib the game but there almost there. Be worth getting soon

[@ReaperNevermore]

Well I'll say one thing, looks hella better than it did before lol. before that was a right mess, and disgraceful

[@oscarlegend2]

If Rockstar wants to remastered GTA IV let rockstar do it and not grove street games

[@gerikara]

I want to believe the game will be definitive

[@policeman911pdman]

Omg fog, $60 is justifing now

[@thenecrocoffe]

no importa lo que hagan el juego ya perdió la magia ya sabemos que el mapa es pequeño y cuadrado

[@DjmRFaKeRs]

killaz como se llama la cancion??

[@elcarmellius3069]

The og grove street theme of san andreas

[@BackFuture-oc5lv]

Do you have to do anything for the fog to come on? Mines still the same with a update

[@MIKESVLOGS-y7n]

Go to settings it’s on there

[@BackFuture-oc5lv]

@@MIKESVLOGS-y7n what do I do?

[@valcone]

yooo gimme that background beat please

[@Yehshlynn]

It's already ruined we weren't spouse to see the whole map with out fog. Know we know it's small compare to the one with fog.

[@snakeslife-uroborodjinn790]

So their solution was turning San Andreas into Silent Hill

[@mclovin6629]

No cap, it looks better without the fog

[@godw1ll99]

well its a step in the right direction at least.

[@Mon-gm7rk]

you still can see every city from eachother, but now it looks natural. and it looks like a huge map again.

[@j0rdann571]

i still cant un-see it, Rockstar has ruined this game for me

[@itsdoomedjack9774]

Why'd everybody care so much about the fucking fog? Who cares? Literally people complained like this was the biggest atrocity about these remasters when it really didn't matter. "You can see the edge of the map without it", so? There's so much wrong with the remasters that fog is the least of their concerns

[@sixto10]

Name instrumental???

[@newbleppmore7855]

Lol how could they not include the fog? the devs probably didnt play as kids

[@HazasDump]

Todo el mundo comentando en inglés wtf, you're international now buddy.

[@angus9165]

I really like how the draw distance stayed the same so there’s no pop-ins and buildings fade in and out realistically

[@zbosh]

so much better

[@Omarock]

The water looks terrible

[@DarmayudaPratama]

Modders better understand what GTA players want

[@marcx117]

before was better, the visability is much clearer. IDK why people want to dicrease their visibility

[@mygetawayart]

how's the song called?

[@codeeast1224]

I personally like not having fog. Just my opinion.

[@brianwolf2319]

anyone else having problems on xbox one?

[@dragoonlance9537]

we went from crappy to less crappy

[@cotymccollum2927]

Much better.

[@althekillernofillameyawn9528]

I could take this shit out right cus I liked how it was before

[@franasecas4542]

haciendo videos en inglés jhonny?

[@zzxzz-666-thedevil9]

Nice song, it matches San Andreas, what's the name of it?

[@erleshottenkirk4630]

Well you complain now you got a graphic downgrade