These people DID BETTER THAN BLIZZARD! - WC3 - Grubby

[@FollowGrubby]

Wanna help this awesome team of passionate modders? Here's the link to their Patreon: www.patreon.com/LoreCraftDesigns Here is the link to install this mod: www.hiveworkshop.com/threads/chronicles-of-the-second-war-tides-of-darkness.327574/

[@mumblecake251]

So you are saying that after I originally refunded reforged I do now have to buy it in order to play some actually worthy content within the game? It feels like I'd be supporting the wrong party =/

[@pajdovelicanstveni]

Just pirate it.@@mumblecake251

[@ChroniclerV]

I said it before and I'll say it again, These people should be getting the rights to The Warcraft Franchise and all of Blizzard and Activision's other Properties and Franchises! Or at the very least Running Blizzard and Activision!

[@lorecraftdesigns638]

Thank you so much Grubby for the coverage, our goal was always to give this game the love it deserves!

[@brotherhoodofstrategy]

I've been really enjoy this :) Thanks for all your hard work.

[@Imfors4ken]

Thanks for that guys!

[@kurtramos59]

as someone who lurks the Hiveworkshop from time to time, and makes his own maps whenever I can, I truly appreciate the effort that the community puts into everything. You guys kept the site alive through all these years even before Reforged was even announced. Thank you for this campaign I will play the hell out of it this weekend.

[@Franzyzz]

i never played or watched somepone play the campaign in 20 years of wc3 ,but this is absolutely amazing

[@Fragoso93]

Thank you guys for making this! Any more in the future? 😊

[@aedankor2961]

PLEASE grubby continue and finish this, its awesome! been following it for years, and seeing you play it would be so good!

[@m3dge439]

this!

[@lightyplays3390]

+1, really enjoyed new warcraft content.

[@intiotto3616]

Its incredible how 20 years ago, you would get a fully fletched game that was incredibly fun and in-depth with its mechanics. One year later they would drop an expansion that was amazing! Nowadays they take years to make a game that is objectively worse, costs a shitton of money and forces you to buy it if you want to play on Battlenet... if the reaction to the game would have been more positive they would definitively have tried to squeeze some in game cosmetics and lootboxes in there xD

[@imm8rtal]

not quite accurate. those fans are only making "customize parts" of the game, not the actual game itself. in other words: fans are using blizz ips assets (characters, designs, environments, objects, effects, sounds, etc). so we cannot give them credits as if they making the whole thing. but yes, they using blizz assets better (in some ways).

[@ch0ven]

@@imm8rtal also not quite accurate, they made all the enviroments, objects, effects and sounds by themselfs. The only Blizzard things they use are: some unit models, story and concept art for some characters (models of those characters they still did themselfs)

[@imm8rtal]

@@ch0ven i think i will just laught at they way you think. if you call retracing and adding pixels "create" lol. btw the proper term would be "remaster" ("re-texture" as said in the beginning of the video) lol. and remaster only takes a very short time comparing designing 3D models from scratch. again lol.

[@ch0ven]

@@imm8rtal ??? You literally said: " those fans are only making "customize parts" of the game, not the actual game itself. in other words: fans are using blizz ips assets (characters, designs, environments, objects, effects, sounds, etc)." And I agrred with everything you said except the part about "environments, objects, effects, sounds", because they did not use anything from blizzard for them. How is "retexturing" or "remaster" has anything to do with what I said?

[@imm8rtal]

@@ch0ven i will stop arguing with you. lets just say we have slightly different perspectives in the details. thats all.

[@maxi0969]

There is so much love in this game... I wish the team that created this game to get a good reward

[@terry4751]

Does the game work for old warcraft or only on reforged?

[@brav0wing]

Very well put, Grubby. Actually, fans are making games better than any gaming company.

[@intiotto3616]

I literally jumped down after grubbys first sentence to comment EXACTLY this xD

[@BIasphemer]

Horn of the Abyss for heroes 3 is a complete marvel, so this actually holds true in several cases

[@dodde216]

Because the players/fans actually have a passion for the game, instead of just going after sales & money like modern gamestudios (with exceptions of course)

[@tabula_rosa]

it doesnt help that the game companies lay off all of their staff after every game they ship so all of the people who know how to make excellent games become just fans

[@imm8rtal]

not quite accurate. those fans are only making "customize parts" of the game, not the actual game itself. in other words: fans are using blizz ips assets (characters, designs, environments, objects, effects, sounds, etc). so we cannot give them credits as if they making the whole thing. but yes, they using blizz assets better (in some ways).

[@Masterom2000x]

I always love how big AAA companies claim, "Oh, that would cost too much and take years to develop." Meanwhile, some fans in their spare time make it work super fast and better than the original.

[@milosmarinkovic2853]

The development team wanted to do the War2 campaigns in Reforged before Bobby the Goblin cut all the funds and gave the money to projects like that abomination Rumble game. Designer Dave who was both on the original War3 team and who was called back for Reforged and later ghosted talked about that in his videos. I think there are even drafts on how that was suppose to look like that he gave to the fanbase to see on his official Discord. Big support for the people that made this possible. If Microsoft had any brain they would hire this guys to be a part of the future team for War4 if it ever happens of whatever, alongside Insanemonster from Re-reforged and other people that keep this game alive. I have more faith in them then most people that work at Blizz now. They earned their credibility.

[@Olagfigh]

How should War4 looks like? After War3 and all what happened in WoW?

[@AceStrife]

@@Olagfigh Blizzard wanted to make Warcraft 4, but I do recall them saying their franchises will end in MMO's and Warcraft 4 will never exist. Doesn't mean it can't exist though. Who knows what'll happen with this corpse puppet of a company. I just want Starcraft Ghost to become reality..

[@Olagfigh]

@@AceStrife True, but I cannot imagine how War4 might looks like. Current WoW is a mess, you have time traveling, alternative stories and characters (like "Gul'dan 2 from Warlords of Draenor"), afterlife world and other stuff.

[@darkpsionic24]

@@Olagfigh I remember many years ago, it was either before or after the release of the Burning Crusade expansion... developers on WOW said that the MMO storyline is strictly separate from the RTS storyline. So, if they ever made a WC4 it would pick up after the Frozen Throne. However that was over a decade ago, so anything's possible at this point. I'd rather have the WC RTS storyline intact with none of the plot from the MMO as that's designed to churn out a lot of content with little to no thought. We'll see.

[@eduardweber2097]

The first sentence is not only true but it is a fact now. I am sure that the HiveWorkShop team is willing to assist Blizzard at fixing the game and the Editor, maybe even having good ideas for updates. Some of the community members even know how to fix certain issues/bugs by being knowledgeable in programming.

[@madjackgamingandfitness498]

They could literally put those guys on a payroll to sell content. But I feel like they are too prideful and focused on the billion number to understand steady revenue.

[@kurtramos59]

The editor needs major revamp. It hasn't had any major changes since Frozen throne.

[@vmac8972]

I don’t think that’s possible unless Blizz gave the freedom to these indie dev’s to fix it. As you can see in the fantastic cinematics they made for tides of darkness the FPS drops drastically because the game isn’t fully optimized. Blizzard half assed it.

[@ayhamahmad2277]

​@@vmac8972with bobby gone there is hope at least let's wait until see how Microsoft going to deal with this

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

@AAGAIUV . . . And Microsoft, which now owns Blizzard (or at least will shortly), is known for Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish.

[@LTG22]

The community will never let Warcraft die, they should give it to them. Also, startin to see this in a lot of games. Most noticeably in the Total War Warhammer community. The mods have basically taken over development. I would not be playing without them.

[@Jettboyyy]

I felt like playing a brand new game with this campaign! it is great so far!

[@N7Allfather]

blizz didn't even make wc3 reforged, just like they didn't make sc1 remake. Note, im not saying if they did it would be better. We all know how blizz is nowadays

[@Wil_Dsense]

‘Blizzard’ doesn’t exist anymore,,only in our memories and hearts.

[@Olagfigh]

SC1 Remaster (not a remake sir) and D2 Remaster are done very well, so in these cases it's a good thing that Blizz didn't made these

[@TheOneZytel]

I had only a few roles as a voice actor, but from what I have played this project has been a tremendous endeavor and it is an honor to be a part of it, just as the original has been a great part of my youth.

[@H25Invicta]

I was hoping you'd cover this. I've been following the development of this since the start. Excited to see it.

[@budderk1305]

not just Blizzard, most triple AA corporations, really, but great job on elevating and sharing these people's work and content Grubby ! ( I just got to 'love the 'Blizzard EULA limits supporter benefits by law' at 4:43, how far they have fallen )

[@FFVogter.-em6zz]

I like how Doomhammer when wielded by Orgrim has a dagger on top of it, which is a throwback to the old art when he killed and decapitated Blackhand.

[@33shin33]

this takes enormous amount of work very impressive.

[@MalcomMalediction]

awesome that u and Wtii are doing this fanmade campaign

[@MoMoMu274]

wow this work is absolutely amazing and not even as someone who played wc3, but also as an artist and someone who would enjoy making UGC one day. This work has been more of a treasure for me than anything I can think of from at least the past decade. To know that this was made by working individuals in their free time has to be the most honorable and inspiring thing I can think of. They seriously deserve all the praise they can get.

[@SwordSaint892]

This is so cool, what an incredible effort and result from the team that put this together. More of this please, Grubby :3

[@Дмитрий-щ7с4г]

Thnx for the advice! I'm on the second chapter and the game is epic. Those locations and cinematics from BRD... just like you are playing wow, even better graphics

[@pwon]

This is incredible. Wow, im lost for words. Warcraft II is what got me into this franchise in the first place - very well done!

[@gregrussell1787]

Auto Battlers and MOBAs started with custom WC campaigns (correct me if I'm wrong and they came before). So I absolutely love giving players the ability to create their own things. Hopefully these folks will go beyond just the basic WC campaigns and do something new if possible.

[@Wil_Dsense]

Exactly … imagine if they went on to make a Brand new RTS and it turned out better than stormgate and reforged etc.

[@ThunderflySc2]

​@@Wil_Dsense The is a Long, loong way to go between, revamping an old campaing (in where they have done a awesome job def I'm up to become a patreon) and Desining, and creating an entire game from scratch.

[@Wil_Dsense]

@@ThunderflySc2 well not as much as you may think, they could use similar themes and stories / plots etc but just change the names and details enough… most game companies copy each other anyway!

[@ThunderflySc2]

@@Wil_Dsense I'm not talking story wise, but all the implications on development wise and desing ! :)

[@Evilshtt353]

Dota was inspired by a custom SC1 map.

[@TheQatarnn]

Passion goes a long way into making something that is remarkable. You are putting a small piece of yourself in your work after all, and that is exactly what reforged lacked.

[@Eledthur]

Glad to see you introducing and playing HIVE mods Grubby. I've been using them for quite a while now, especially the original WC3 mods. Their campaigns are incredible, most of them are based on the books and the actual lore. If you love WC3 and have been playing it for years, these will make you so happy that it's hard to put into words. Thank you to the creators for making these. You truly put Blizzard to shame. WC3 was the start of my adventure into WoW and so on, makes me so happy to see it still being appreciated and cared for after all these years, even though their original creators had already abandoned it, there are still people caring for it.

[@troy0832]

Ahh this brings back the books enjoyed reading them when I was younger.

[@lightestline]

I was installing it 23:42 I thought for a second, they added a peon narrator. Good work Grubby!

[@eoretaspace]

glad to see this campaign is getting covered everywhere!

[@nagramash15]

this campaign is insanely well done. Hope blizz manages to make some new stuff for the wc universe soon in the rts

[@joselazo9799]

I love this stuff. The introduction cut scene is too long imo if this were a mainline game, but as a fan made product for fans I think its fine. I also LOVE the side hero concept, one who only levels with sidequest completion. Both encouraging side quest completion but not punishing it if you don't want to do it because your main hero still gains levels normally.

[@fastmadcow]

I will say. Amazing models, cut scenes look fantastic. But wow that was almost a 15 minute cut scene. Talk about exposition dump, I really wanted it to end a little sooner. The dialogue is very good, but wow to much cut scene. And more and more just kept coming lol. I'm happy this is so faithful to the story though, it's like we are getting expansions to Wc3 :D I'm seriously happy to see such a labor of love though. An amazing amount of work went into all of this and my opinion is mostly just a nit pick in the grand scheme of what is probably one of the best free DLC's I've ever seen. To also hear that they are allowing everyone to download these models for free to use in future plans anyone else has is quite amazing as well. If I had the money I would support this team and anything they do.

[@BlankeeStarcraft]

The later missions are quite challenging on Hard, especially if you intend on keeping Utok alive (so long as he survives till completion of side quests, his abilities will level up).

[@WakoDoodle]

Man this looks amazing, they even somehow found a way to put the scenario announcer into the story as a character!

[@prisoner817]

Very impressive work, went and downloaded this immediately 👏 the wc1-2 arc of the story is my personal favorite

[@samdenhoff2843]

That orc narrator voice is so damn nostalgic, thanks for doing it for a sentence lol

[@GaveLJorgensson]

Man. If I didn't know better, I would think that Chris Metzen helped voice Guldan. He has very much the same tambour in his voice.

[@Olagfigh]

I want to believe he would love to do that but he returned to Blizzard so probably he can't :P

[@Jmvcyber]

The unit kit is from Heroes of the Storm, but for cut-scenes and in-game encounters it's me :D

[@EsDestroyer]

bro your peon voice is spot on amazing bro.

[@JustinTarahomi]

Grub please upload the whole campaign! Very interested. Thank you!!

[@Bigfootuss]

This looks so fucking cool, the nostalgia is real! Grubby, I would suggest playing They Are Billions, it is easily one of my top all time RTS games and I would definitely playing through the campaign and then testing out some community maps, since there are many that are just out of this world.

[@fJJJJjjj]

That actually makes me wanna purchase reforged to experience this. Reminds me of "gothic 2 chronicles of myrtana" level of dedication and love that community can bring to their games

[@kingheenokgaming4783]

Damn nice to know. Will play for sure soon, I'm currently replaying SC2 campaign.

[@ThePirate193]

Good of you for covering this because as someone who never played warcraft I could not really understand what this mod does

[@TheGuerilla11245]

I'm so glad you're playing this. I haven't played warcraft in forever and when this mod came out it got me excited enough to try and do a custom campaign for the first time. I'm not a pc gamer though and don't have one capable of running it

[@StarStew]

bruh the cinematics are NUTS what is this. War3 community is literally insane

[@carlonryan180]

This is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. I can't wait to download and play this. I'm definitely going to donate some money to these guys. 😊

[@Skrumple]

Thanks for doing the Grom Hellscream voice. Anytime that I think of Grom that WC2 voice is what pops into my head 😂

[@renzogot6239]

Blizzard should just straight up hire these guys at this point ngl

[@98kazer]

NO! Current Blizzard hiring them is a death sentence! the company will suck their souls dry!

[@Vladislav888]

God please no. Modern Blizzard gave us Reforged, remember?

[@DesignHen]

I would totally watch you play through the whole campaign

[@Snutze]

Man Grubby.. your rendition of warcraft character voices are amazing..... thats insane

[@mariobrito427]

Wow I'm very surprised at the high quality of the script and voice overs. Coming from someone who played Warcraft 1-3 back when they were released (yeah I'm old lol), for me the quality is comparable to classic blizzard work, specifically Warcraft 3. My hat's off to these folks, much respect to what they have achieved here

[@Sashimiburger]

Some real "rosebud" energy at hand here.

[@filippecha7909]

Moooooooore of this! Very nice made campaign !!! Props to the creators🎉

[@Lightning_Lance]

The nostalgia is hitting hard with this.... Warcraft 2 music is too good

[@MysticBlueFox]

Warcraft III, the original one is one of the major reason I had interest in custom mods and custom content for games. The sheer amount of effort put forward for some of the old WC3 ROC maps was astounding. To name one, Twilight's Eve was a custom map that was an entire RPG with hero classes to not only choose, but upgrade into improved classes. It even had it's own character save files and was all multiplayer! This passion project is truly amazing, it's so well done!

[@Helmutlozzi]

I've personally considered Blizzard dead for at least two decades now. Glad to see the fans still care for the properties.

[@neondead2.0.15]

Now i want to play this, since i really like lore of Warcraft 2.

[@ProCookin]

amazing work by these guys.

[@Gutigwolfe]

I am so happy to see modders working on reviving old stories. This looks amazing, and I want to get reforged at some point, cus sadly the original version is dead.

[@maxime8741]

Please do the whole campaign it would be great :)

[@chavezapazagersongustavo7246]

Amazing!! Please finish the entire campaign!!

[@Fingolfin3423]

They did better because they actually cared. Here we actually have extra effort going into the story and characters. That's the soul of Warcraft, and all games for that matter. That's what gives them staying power.

[@Rocman76]

ahhh fighting Rend in UBRS in wow classic, memory's

[@Epeprm]

Man im playing this and i am entrhalled by it..... it looks like the kind of game blizzard SHOULD have made....

[@Opus766]

I love the passion behind this project. The opening cutscene is too long winded though

[@MikoGot]

i love grubby's voice overs xD

[@TheAdventuresofTNT]

Lol, props for doing the Orcish voice😂😂😂😂

[@Telmustard]

7:17 "Yeah, my throat is not going to survive it...But I have to eat." Ah...The amount of times i've said this too, Grubby. If only it were in-game.

[@spoon_bomb]

Oh sweet, Reforged is finally out !

[@raidbossnunu]

Passion from fans in their free time > Billion Dollar Company trying to squeeze out max profit

[@Seki1987]

Jesus Christ. A couple of people did better without resources than the whole Activision-Blizzard team WITH MONEY. They made A CAMPAIGN WITH THEIR OWN MODELS and A-B can't even supply us with working patches and a ladder. I immediately subscribed as a Grunt. This is pure love.

[@StarvingArtiztMedia]

Liked, for the Orc Narrator impression! 😄

[@Olagfigh]

True, these guys did massive work on this campaign. For sure more than Blizz did with War3 Reforged, so it's sad that people have to buy Reforge to play this mod.

[@Snottle1]

Kick-ass Everquest shirt, Grubby

[@Tom-ou8cz]

So beautiful! Real nostalgia that reforged wasn't able to capture

[@kamensklub21]

I had no idea Grubby was that good at voice acting. Incredible!!!!

[@Earthquakeize]

Im impressed by this. some of the dialogue is a bit clunky and longwinded but overall really solid for a fan project.

[@intiotto3616]

bruh 4 mins in and the campaign menu background is already better than whatever blizzard was doing

[@flessuh]

Yes, this has been amazingly made. Brings back so many good memories playing.

[@Robiban]

White I do think this is very cool and a great idea for a WC game its obvious dialog and voice acting is a lot better in the original games.

[@ViperDivinity]

For a fan game, the voice acting is way beyond my expectations.

[@Zbucket]

If you see Mr.Goblin in the credits, you know the Sh1t's gonna be Awesome

[@artofvincentturcot8142]

haha thank you for this wholesome comment. You've made my day. :D

[@W0nd3ringCl0ud]

I just have to say I have never been as moist as I am right now. So glad the passion for this game is still here. This is fantastic😍

[@FlameJackstar]

I'm honestly surprised Blizzard hasn't taken this down yet. That would be quite on brand.

[@imchayanger9526]

23:45 i thought it was in-game voice over, wow!

[@thomasgrimm1664]

Goldie Hawn is envious of Grubby's youthful looks.

[@ashryver3605]

Like most indie custom campaigns the dialogue is a bit... superfluous and stereotypical (the writing that is, cant expect insane stuff voice acting wise) but what is extremely impressive is the cinematography and use of the game engine camera. Its very well done and many scenes manage to capture a classic wc3 cutscene, or actually push towards something like a movie scene.

[@KillmanPit]

Listen. I love the idea and execution. But 20m of cutscenes before any gameplay seems a bit on a lengthy side.

[@duskanddawn8543]

How dare they put 20 minutes of story in a story game

[@KillmanPit]

@@duskanddawn8543 I don't mind 20 minutes of story in the game. I don't mind 1000h story in the game. But it should be told through gameplay. Not before/after. Otherwise I'd just read a book or watch a movie. Or even a machinima. But this is a game. So I expect gameplay to be the main vehicle of the story. It's fine to have cutscenes obviously. A good cutscene can make or break a great story i na game. But 20m is not a cutscene. It's an episode of a miniseries.

[@a1pha_star]

6:53 That was brilliant! 😂

[@saintblackwater7213]

was wondering when youd cover this!!

[@animen08]

that was a very good impression of the original voice Grubby, way better than the map makers, although they did a great job too :D

[@Sacrosanctelite]

I stopped paying attention to wc3 and wouldve totally missed this, thank you for the information! Downloading it tonight to play

[@Jebushatesyou]

good to see this makes me teary eyed to see some much love put into this

[@tincho_mnj2429]

Companies are all about the money. Fans are all about the love for the game. Of course they'll make something way better than Blizzard. Kudos to all the devs!

[@Kanikalion]

Holy cow the WC2 great hall in modern graphics 0.o Amaze. AND the barracks? Dang, they really did do a full rebuild and not just grab WC3 assets to plug into gaps. Well done!

[@tadeasprikryl2407]

this is Legendary CAMPAIN!!! very good

[@brainmarker]

This guys made incredible work!

[@GruppeSechs]

I'm more excited about this than literally anything Blizzard has put out since SC2.

[@ghostsword6554]

I found this video while playing the custom campaign for the first time, and yeah it is stellar. Looking at this campaign and others, it's quite the shame that Blizzard's reforging of the campaigns and maps was so lackluster.

[@octav1600]

I love what I am seeing, but I think they should have made the Mak'Gorah scene as well (since they added in so much) - might as well establish Orgrim there.

[@NickGreyden]

7:10 If you just wanna see the cinematic. Gameplay doesn't start until 25:10 Actual playing doesn't start until 27:50. Just background info and general waffling until then and looking at textures until then.