Fontaine 4.2 - The Most Detailed Analysis (Archon Quest)

Hello everybody!
In this video, we will analyze in great detail everything pertaining the Archon Quest in version 4.2, with also a small reference to Furina's Character Quest.
My next video will be, on the other hand, entirely about the Narzissenkreuz Quest and everything else from v4.2!
I really hope you liked the video!
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If I missed something, feel free to tell me in the comment section as well as your theories, so that we can discuss them together!
---------CONTENTS OF THIS VIDEO---------
0:00 - Intro and Disclaimers
1:11 - Recap
3:03 - Oceanid Trial
3:44 - Slates
4:15 - Origin of the Prophecy
6:25 - Vedrfolnir
8:40 - Alternative Prophecy Origin
11:13 - Furina & Focalors
15:40 - Archons vs Heavenly Principles
16:56 - Furina
20:13 - Birth - Intermission
21:37 - Narwhal
24:00 - Surtalogi
26:08 - Gnoses & 3rd Descender
30:16 - Visions
31:17 - Genesis
34:14 - Natlan
35:56 - The 7 Samsara
46:12 - Outro
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MUSIC
Furina Theme Music EXTENDED - All the World's a Stage (tnbee mix) | Genshin Impact
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Neuvillette Theme Music EXTENDED - Font of All Waters (tnbee mix) | Genshin Impact
• Neuvillette Theme Musi...
Wriothesley Theme Music EXTENDED - To the Stars Shining in the Depths (tnbee mix) | Genshin Impact
• Wriothesley Theme Musi...
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[@Sesquipedalian044]

About Nicole; I think Furinas character teaser is alluding to this when she says "I'm not even speaking to you right now, this is a recording." If N was a powerful seer or friends with a powerful seer, she could have left "recordings" for us to hear at the exact moment we would have needed to hear them.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Possible. Extremely complicated theory, especially since she would have to be able to predict the travaler's future to leave those messages at the right time and make them sound like conversations, and no one on Teyvat can really actually predict his future actions. Yes she's a visionary, but even then, she's limited by what Teyvat's fate can really foretell. Still, am interesting theory

[@tako_ro]

"There is no playable archon in Fontaine" Listen, buddy. In my heart, Furina is the true hydro archon. She managed to pull tears from my eyes and stone cold heart.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Technically, she is, indeed, the former Archon. Even if Focalors split her divinity, it was still part of Furina. But, alas, even the character section screen shows that she's not an Archon nor a God, since she doesn't have the special effects the other Archons have. But, you're right, her story is actually very sad and very well made.

[@hypetrail]

Calling him buddy is wildd, up there with buster 😭

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@hypetrail i get called "bro" "dude" and everything along the line. "buddy" is the nicest one so far XD

[@Kynokefalos]

Actually the only current archons that are working right now is the newcome Nahida (give her some time), Tsaritsa using all the faith of his people, and the electro robot but that's just in appearance. Ei is in her world, Zhongli is retired, Venti is... Venti, and Murata is dead. I bet that Nahida would quit too now she knows the Celestia's stuff.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@Kynokefalos well, I kinda disagree. Venti doesn't rule over Mondstadt, but he's always there to protect it. Zhongli retired, but still, if something happens, he takes action. Nahida is, indeed, working, and I don't think she'll step down because her priority is the people, not the archonhood. Ei is figuring things out and sometimes she takes control of the shogun to act in person, as we saw in her story quests. I think they are, indeed, all working. Some from the shadows, some directly. They all care about and defend their nations

[@adamek8316]

"The narwhal shows up in the opera for a quick primordial snack" I love this.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Ahhahahahaha

[@flamesfury]

I just wanna point out at around 12:37 but Focalors also mentioned she was underwater planning things for a really long time after Egeria died so that kinda muddles the time frame a bit. Furina's days don't completely correlate to Focalors' days. There's also the fact that Focalors apparently planned for Neuvillette to be the Iudex but he didn't take that position until 400 years ago and Furina was already apparently working with him near the beginning almost 100 years prior (maybe he was an apprentice back then) which means Focalors must have known about him even longer than Furina, probably when he first arrived in Fontaine. I just wanna also add that there's also the possibility that Egeria didn't know she'd die and just had a successor as a contingency plan since it's entirely possible for people to train up successors long before they die/retire. If Neuv was already in Fontaine 500 years ago, this means she must have been created before that. The other theories are very well thought out though, always interesting to see. As for Furina, she is an Archon in my heart even if she doesn't hold that title anymore. She's done as much, if not more, than other Archons in protecting her people. Blessed be her name.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yes, the barnacle thing. Well, considering that it takes just two weeks for barnacles to grow, it doesn't necessarily mean that she spent that long underwater. It could have been that she was turned into a God when Egeria died, she went to the bottom of the lake to think and come up with the plan for days, and then she started everything. Or she was turned before Egeria left for Khaenri'ah, and when she died, Focalors did those things. That's why I said that she lived as a human for a few days at best. Neuvillette was invited to Fontaine 500 years ago, but he didn't care about humans nor the human law, so it simply took him 100 years to decide to work as a Iudex, maybe. As for how she knew about him, I guess that's common knowledge for someone who becomes an Archon, probably? When it comes to her being chosen as a successor, yes, Egeria may have chosen her long ago. The Oceanids are her familiars, so she may have lived for thousands of years before she became a human. Still, Egeria knew the prophecy. Since those ruins are where the prophecy was probably created, she would have known that the Archon who would have been left alone on the throne wasn't her. As a consequence, she most likely knew that she was going to die, and when the cataclysm happened, she turned Focalors into a human and made her a God so that she could go forward with a plan to receive fate. Furina will always be considered the Archon even thought she wasn't and she isn't, that's obvious. The game went as far as not to give her any effects in the character selection screen, but she's the closest person to the concept of Archon, even though Neuvillette basically said that everything related to the Hydro Archon fell on his shoulders, so he's basically the Archon now...

[@PatriciaKerri]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming [It could have been that she was turned into a God when Egeria died, she went to the bottom of the lake to think and come up with the plan for days, and then she started everything.] lol imagine someone finding a solution to a problem that's been plaguing you for millenia in a fortnight (and executing it in like half a millenia) what a flex, focalors really was a genius (continuing furina's tendency to speak the truth while making it sound like an exaggeration, joy)

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@PatriciaKerri well, considering that she, as an Oceanid, may have been extremely old, like millennia old, since we don't know when exactly she came to life, it could have been that she had been thinking baiut it for a very long time already, reason why Egeria then chose her instead of someone else, and then, because she is indeed a genius, took a few days to devise the actual plan. I mean, we're talking about someone who decided to incriminate Childe on the offchance that he would have fought the narwhal, buying us time, so her genius has been clearly proven from that alone

[@sunglassfrog89]

Thanks for the food sir, can I just say that you are one of the most underrated Genshin lore creators out there, considering how well-researched your videos are. I'm somewhat surprised that your videos haven't reached many Genshin players who care about lore on KZbin. Sometimes I want to know where the background or inspiration of story came from but didnt bother to search for it or just too lazy your videos are just what I need 😂.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you so much!!! I mean, I've been doing this for just a year while other have been doing it basically since the game came out. I'm still very unknown, so with time, things may change

[@chesedp2o23]

I don’t think the whale is part of the prophecy, but just happened to be the means by which the prophecy was fulfilled. If they somehow stopped the whale beforehand something else would’ve caused the prophecy.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

But that's the thing, the prophecy still happened, but Furina wasn't left alone on her throne, because no one was dissolved, so only half of 4th slate became reality. This means that, originally, the prophecy included the people being dissolved. This is why I think the whale ended up being part of the prophecy. It doesn't cause the flood, but it would have caused the dissolution

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@ShadowX5452Gamingwell no not exactly the people just happened to end up being dissolved when they touch primordial water because that’s what happened. The prophecy really just says that there’s things would be washed away. It doesn’t specifically say that the people will be dissolved The people of Fontaine just interpret that because that’s what happens regardless of us, defeating the whale, the prophecy Cell came to Pass the people since were still washed away Fontaine did flood and furina did cry on her throne

[@davidjohnson8273]

So do you think the prophecy is fulfilled or not? You SAID it was fulfilled but then you casually mention that it wasn't (because nobody is dissolved and Furina wasn't alone on her throne). So which do you believe? I genuinely don't know. It's as if you're saying "fulfilled" means "didn't happen" or only partially happened". @@ShadowX5452Gaming

[@Deepstab1]

If you think about it the one that is part of the prophecy its childe, celestia can tell proohecies because it knows the history of tevyat but it has no control of things outside tevyat like the narwhal, what it has control of its childe and we can tell its part of this prophecy by the constellation it gave him, childe was supposed to go to fontaine and atract it, skirk said it they were fated to bump into one another

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@Deepstab1 ye but even if he didn’t bump into him, the prophecy still would’ve been fulfilled subway

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

LOVED the ending part talking about how the aztec mythology might found its way in Genshin since Natlan is the next destination ❤🔥 Also a detail I noticed when Skirk mentioned Surtalogi, Vedrfolnir and Rhinedottir said that they were all pursuing some sort of "perfection". So it left me thinking: if we consider that anything norse sounding is from Khaenri'ah then this could be the "ideal" of Khaenri'ah before being destroyed. So just like Inazuma is persuing Eternity, Sumeru is pursuing Wisdom and Fontaine is pursuing Justice maybe Khaenri'ah was pursuing Perfection 🤔

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

She technically doesn't say that about Vedrfolnir, just about Surtalogi and Rhinedottir, so we don't really know if Vedrfolnir is from Khaenri'ah, but I guess you could be right. They were, indeed, trying to make a perpetual machine, which would be basically the perfect machine by definition

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming I guess you are right 🤔I suppose my brain just assumed she was referring to all 3 of them since she was trying to find some common ground to explain who The Foul was and used both The Visionary and Gold in the same sentence xD. Also do you also think there is a reason why Hoyoverse first went out of their way to correct (what was almost common knowledge back then) the fact that the Archons were involved in granting visions with the Shoguns voicelines, since they are basically suppose to be Celestia's ambassadors in Teyvat, just to almost take it back 2 years later with Neuvi's voicelines? 🤔 Lastly, to my understanding of Focalor's plan, the authority of the Sovereign and the Gnoses are completely different things? When analyzing the actions of all the other Archons towards their Gnosis, it feels as if protecting the Gnosis was more of a task that came with the title of Archon rather than them being given the Gnosis to grant them more power over the elements... Maybe the Heavenly Principles were trying to prevent them of fall into the wrong hands... but also they don't care anymore??? I have a lot of questions about the Heavenly Principles and why are they no longer enforcing their laws, but I guess we won't get these kinds of answers at least until Snezhnaya :/

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@xxmoonspellxx1801 I don't think they went back on what they said. Remember that the knowledge of a dragon is, for obvious reasons, greater than the knowledge of an Archon, especially if the Archon is a substitute, not the original one. Ei (but also every Archon, except for Venti because he's sus) doesn't know about the Primordial One vs the Heavenly Principles fight, she just knows that the Heavenly Principles have always ruled the world. Then, Ei, as a substitute, also probably never knew how exactly things work. She does say that there's another aspect of visions she can't talk about, but she probably never realized that she was giving the visions, not Celestia. That's why her lines and Neuvillette's seem to say completely different things. Neuvillette has no obligation toward Celestia. Yes, the dragons' authorities inside the gnoses and the casings are two completely different things, but function together. I honestly think that the Archons don't really use their gnosis in general. They just carry it and protect it, even though it is clear that not having it with them, changes nothing. As for why Celestia is doing nothing... Well, we don't really know what "being inactive" entails. It could mean that they're "sleeping", or it could simply mean that there's nothing dangerous happening, so they're simply not acting in general. Giving the gnoses to the Tsaritsa may not be a problem because, according to fare, she won't be able to do anything. But fate is very unreliable when it comes to something that doesn't belong to Teyvat. The heavenly principles (as well as Nabu Malikata) weren't able to predict the cataclysm, nor could they predict what it would have caused if left unchecked, because forbidden knowledge comes from outside Teyvat. Since the gnoses are the third descender, if the plan is to revive them, fate wouldn't be able to see it because, as a descender, they come from outside Teyvat as well. That's, maybe, why they're not doing anything. Fate isn't showing any danger in the future. I do hope we'll get to go to Celestia, the floating island, and uncover some deep lore there!

[@ehlannahfhey2347]

@@xxmoonspellxx1801 about the Shoguns voicelines, she doesn't specifically say anything really she just says it's not from her will that visions can be granted or denied or something along those lines which isn't her saying she doesn't it just means she has to give them out she's obligated to. It was described ambiguously on purpose

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

​@@ShadowX5452Gaming I guess so yeah, granting visions could just be an involuntary thing as you suggested on the vid. I actually never thought of that, that maybe the Tsaritsa allegedly can't accomplish her goal with the gnoses at least not on her own. Maybe she will have to wait for some interference from forces beyond Teyvat... cough cough Traveler cough cough. And I feel like going to the floating island is almost set in stone xD, as of when is probably the real question mark... maybe could be in sometime during Snezhnaya (since time travel is theorized to happen by many people to reach Khaenri'ah and maybe the method to do this is found up there). Maybe during the Khaenri'ah chapter for sure since this is basically the confirmed last chapter and if we believe the possibility of time-travel this would be the only period of time in the game were the Heavenly Principles are confirmed to be awake. But if all of these opportunities to go to the floating city have failed by then, I'd like to think that we get an Epilogue chapter to the story (similarly to Mondstadt being a Prologue instead of a full chapter) where we visit it for sure since in the Teyvat Chapter teaser Dainsleif mentions that although our journey has finished there's still one door left or something along those lines. Also rewatching the video I feel like I should really commend you for the connection between the cryptids and the possible "tamed" dragons in Natlan, that was so cool!

[@kawaiikebab23]

great video as always!! your videos are always so well researched which makes them very enjoyable!! ❤❤❤

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you so much!!! I'm happy you liked it!!!! XD

[@mehrnaz_]

My mind is now full! Thanks for the amazing theories!!

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you for watching!!! I'm happy you liked it!!!

[@fernir_]

the chef finish the cook, and im here for it. thanks for cooking 4.2 lore, the wait was worth. keep it up brother 🔥.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I hope you'll like it!!!!

[@amorimjt]

Man… as always… you surpass any expectations… and they were high knowing you content. I gotta find time to rewatch this. Looking forward for the next one 🤯

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you!!!! I'm happy you liked it!!!! XD

[@coconeko7097]

Once again another banger of the video to make things clearer for me! Thanks for all the effort and information gathering! I’m honestly fine with Furina being a normal human… it really makes her more down to earth. I really like this explanation of Aztec mythology and hope we get more information on the world in Natlan!

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you for watching!! I'm happy you liked the video!!! I think Furina's voice actor had a really nice job voicing her. Furina as an Archon goes from above and beyond, to pure sadness. Focalors has a completely different speech pattern, and Furina now feels like a Cali girl. So many different personalities!!! But yeah, she feels more "normal", although still very deflated. I can't wait to get more about Natlan. It's the nation I'm the most excited for!! I want to know mooooreeee!!!!

[@motemo8413]

Great video! Samsara analysis opened my world up lol As for Furina not being playable Hydro Archon, i don't mind it at all. People are sad that since Furina isn't an Archon they won't have Archon particle effects from a Hydro Archon, but seriously speaking Furina has so many in-game details that makes her stand out from everyone else that particles and glowing hair are a joke in comparison. Like seriously there are entire videos dedicated to pointing out in-game details that she has that nobody else has.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you for watching, I'm happy you liked it!!! Yeah, she's very detailed, it's incredible. She might not be the Archon, but she's so unique, there won't be any other character this unique in the future at all, probably! Just her design, is more unique than an Archon's in general!

[@lathamtk]

OH SHIT MY BOY IS DONE COOKIN. It's a FEAST tonight!

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Oh yeah, a 50min feast, too!!! XD

[@CarlosAnglada]

Another excellent video

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you!!! I'm happy you liked it!!!

[@byakumaruZ]

Thanks for another amazing upload! Took me a whole week of watching and re-watching to fully digest all the info in this video. Shows how much love and effort you put into these and i enjoy them very much. As for Furina not being the hydro archon, i am one of the "disappointed" people because I started off my account dedicated to only wishing for Archon characters. My entire account consists only of venti, zhongli, raiden and nahida with constellations and weapons. I saved for one year since december 2022 for a hydro archon. So finding out that Furina is not an archon ultimately means i will ruin my account by wishing for her, or my account will forever remain hydroless. It's also particularly vexing that Hoyoverse continues to market her as "Hydro Archon" in their promotional posters and Hoyolab forum posts.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thank you!!!! By the way, technically, Furina is the Archon, it's just that her seat was broken, so she can't be it anymore. Even if her divinity had a mind of its own, it was still a part of her, who she is, so pulling for her doesn't entirely mean you won't be pulling for an Archon, it's just a former Archon basically. Or you could pull for Neuvillette next time his banner is up, since he took on the duties of the Archon. As for Hoyoverse marketing her as the Hydro Archon, they can't say that she isn't, otherwise they would be spoilering the ending of the Archon quest to the players who still don't know, and until you finish the Archon quest, she is, indeed, still the Archon anyway

[@summer.sparkz]

I can only assume the Oceanids that fled did so because they sensed the presence/hostility of the all devouring narwhal and thought the Hydro archon sent it? That’s just a guess- we don’t know how long the whale was absorbing the primordial seawater.

[@awinkingowl7608]

elynas blood in the wake of the cataclysm was harmful to the oceanids, so all but one fled.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I don't think it's about the narwhal, because it had to be there for a long time already and it woke up when Childe ended up in the abyss, so what, 10 years ago? If the Oceanids misinterpreted things, the best bet would be what @awinkingowl said, Elynas's blood corrupting the water, but it still feels somewhat strange, since they really blamed Furina for it.... Animula choragi 2, I hope that will give us the answers!!!

[@batperson3532]

Apart from Elynas' blood tainting the waters, Oceanids are shown to be envious creatures which was the main reason why Fontainians were burdened with the original sin so its not surprising that some weren't happy about Egeria choosing Focalors as her successor and when they saw how Furina acted (as a performance that they didn't knew) they rejected her and left Fontaine.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@batperson3532 yeah, that makes sense, but it still doesn't explain why they were all certain that she was sending assassins after them, unless they convinced themselves out of paranoia, but that would be kinda stupid. If Egeria was loved by the Oceanids, it wouldn't make sense for them to think that the successor she chose would have exterminated them, especially considering the fact that the Oceanids knew what Egeria did for them... I hope animula choragi 2 will give us these answers...

[@batperson3532]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming Egeria afaik is not an oceanid and all oceanids allegedly came from her so it makes sense for oceanids to unanimously support her without question since Egeria is a higher being than oceanids. Focalors on the other hand is only an oceanid so i get why they weren't too happy with her ascension. The assassination thing is probably just paranoia that they thought Focalors would attempt to kill Rhodeia since she was considered the most powerful of all oceanids and that she could possibly overthrow Focalors if she wanted to.

[@MrGrimx1]

It was strange that no one, in game, connected the second slate to Celestia...

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Didn't Paimon expressly say, I think when Freminet brought the first slate, that the second slate showed Celestia punishing Egeria? She was strangely saying "a floating island in the sky" in the ruins, but at the opera epiclese, if I remember correctly, she called it Celestia

[@WubWubWeb]

I think divine throne/dragons authority =/= power of/in gnosis so the hydro gnosis isn't empty imo. idk if you've seen it but the new ashikai video is pretty much exactly about that and if not i highly recommend it! I agree with everything else in the video though and i have to say big BIG props for the part about aztec gods at the end, that is an insanely cool and well put together theory.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I watched it, but I don't think the dragon's authority is not what's inside the gnosis. I mean, Neuvillette said that the power of the dragons that was stolen by the Primordial One, is the basis of the basis of the archons' authorities, and we know that the archons' authorities are the gnoses. As a consequence, we are facing two different powers: the dragons' authorities, that is the stolen power that was later locked through an Archon's existence inside the gnosis; The power of the casings of the gnoses, that is the actual remains of a descender, who was split into 7 pieces for a reason, and the most obvious one would be that this descender is a major threat to Teyvat. These two powers are compatible because the Descenders, like the traveler, can "acquire" or store elemental powers, so I guess the Primordial One and the second who came decided to kill two or three birds with one stone: prevent the third descender's revival (I guess), prevent the dragons from reclaiming their powers and wage war against the heavenly principles again but with full power, place overseers in the world to prevent another rebellion against the Heavens. I guess we will have some confirmation if we'll ever see the Hydro Gnosis. If it's not glowing, then I was right, I think. Considering how we didn't see the Dendro Gnosis, I doubt we will see the Hydro one anytime soon, sadly... Unless we get another winter night's lazzo kinda video and we see Pierro playing chess again. For the last theory, I'm kinda actually proud of it. I'll keep researching other myths, especially the inca and Mayan ones, but also the Kenyan one too, since the cryptid names are mostly from that area, if I'm not mistaken.

[@user-bt2qy6yx4i]

Will you make a seperate video on Childe?The world quest about Ajax being born as a holy infant was really insane

[@fakelawchannel3026]

Wait what world quests??

[@bruhnana6396]

@@fakelawchannel3026 they're talking about the notes you find during the new Narzissenkreuz quest

[@fakelawchannel3026]

@@bruhnana6396 ah, ngl i skipped those waiting for a Lore YT video to Talk about them and i just focused in the WQ plot. If It involves Childe Lore i might hunt said notes asap

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Bruhnana talked about some notes about Ajax during the Narzissenkreuz quest. If that's what you're talking about, I still have to re-watch everything form that quest and read everything we found, so as of now, I have no idea about it. If Childe's story ends up being enough for a video on its own, then why not?

[@user-bt2qy6yx4i]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming His story is insane and i think with your 300iq you could make a good theory on him

[@nightowlplant]

Thank you for mentioning the Sun Gods of the Aztecs. Ever since Sumeru and the samsaras, I couldn't help but think how there's a possibility that the Aztec Sun Gods will appear in Natlan, and with the mention of Xbalanque (Mayan but important because it shows more evidence of the possibility of hoyo using Mesoamerica culture and mythos for Natlan) in Neuvillette's introduction, I get more excited.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I am thinking about researching the Inca, the Maya and the Kenyan mythology since they seem to be included in Natlan, considering what we read in the talking stick. I've already read some incan and Mayan myths, but it was too little. Once I'm done with the research, if I find something interesting, I might make a video about the samsara specifically, going a little deeper with the theory!

[@maiafay]

I still like to know where the heck Focalors found Neuvillette. And why is no one talking about the fact the whale is attracted to dead and dying worlds? What does that mean for Teyvat? I also think the primordial one is a terraforming AI who brought humans here from some other world.

[@bruhnana6396]

same, like how was neuvillette even born? I imagine he just suddenly popped into existence after egeria's death XD Also I kinda agree on primordial one = AI theory. I've always thought about it since the release of A Winter Night's Lazzo trailer with the whole Deep Blue vs Kasparov chess theory thing. All the AQ ending's have aligned with the results of those chess matches, so far.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I think she learned of Neuvillette when she became the Archon. As one of the seven, she was probably told about the new dragon of her element. That's my best guess. As for the whale, where does it say that it's attracted to dying worlds? As far as I understood, it destroys world itself. As for the Primordial One... I have no idea. I would be kinda disappointed if it was a machine, although it would sound like the Fal 'Cie from Final Fantasy XIII....

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@bruhnana6396 yeah, I think Neuvillette was simply born, nothing too crazy about it. Just like Dvalin was born and Nibelung came back to life. As for the Primordial One, as I told Maiafay, I would be kinda disappointed if they were a machine. Also, the chess game doesn't really apply to the Primordial One. It's the people vs the Archons, and on set of pieces is a descender, so it doesn't sound about the Primordial One. It may simply represent fate. Everything that's happening is exactly as both fate and Pierro predicted

[@yundorphin]

Honestly it makes sense dragon ball played in your head bc the gnoses also literally contained what is genshin's equivalent of a dragon ball/pearl. XD

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah! When I came to the conclusion of the Tsaritsa bringing the descender back to life, I literally heard the intro in my head while I was writing it down. That was wild XD

[@hypetrail]

19:55 This is just me and the one that makes sense: When the giant Dragon Elynas fell and its body died after the battle, it came to contact to Fontaine's water, that also coincides the same 500th year mark where Egeria also died. Though the Institute says the water has been cleansed and not polluted by the dead dragon's risidue, no pure hydro lifeform has been born. It's probably why we get a tainted variant of Hydro Eidolon, that can't even shapeshift in long periods such as their pure counterparts. The water is still corrupted, and another reason why the Oceanids would not stay in Fontaine. (As to why the dragon would make the water bitter, its because of his past experience and his horror when he realised, he had killed loads of people and destroyed towns.)

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yes, true, and that would explain the hatred and pain inside the water, but it still makes no sense that the Oceanids were scared of Furina sending assassin's after the. Why would she? Were they just paranoid and convinced themselves, for no reason, that she was evil?

[@hypetrail]

@@ShadowX5452GamingThat I dont know, they probably changed the plot along the way (not much bec of the travail trailer) and forgot a bit on Rhodia’s part. The only Oceanid that mentions about assasination is only her right? She prob misunderstood because Endora was also confused by her

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@hypetrail but Idyia also seems to place the fault on Furina, kinda. She makes it seems like everything happened when Furina became the new Archon.... Unless Focalors did do it and it was part of her plan somehow, but it wasn't addressed in the Archon quest, so that animula choragi 2 can explain it....

[@geez9530]

I can't with the dog barking lmao, it distract me in a good way xD

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah, my neighbors' dogs decided to go for a symphony there, and I recorded the video in 2 different days, so they really went for the longest symphony ever. There is also a ringing bell from the church close to my house, but that ended up being hidden by the music XD

[@quanticador1103]

Let's gooooooo!!

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeeeaahh!!!!

[@BlueDaisy33]

Great video as always! I am now once again thinking about Kaveh having hypothetical half siblings. I also haven’t seen a theory relating the The end of the World Quests to Aztec myths Also do you think that the fact in myth Surtalogi is actually the Twilight Sword means anything for Dain?

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I don't know what you mean by Kaveh having half siblings. Is it because her mother mover to Fontaine and started a new family there? In that case, it's still the problem from my intermission. Well, now that problem doesn't exist anymore, since the Fontainians have become real humans, anyway. As for Dainsleif, I honestly don't know. I instinctively don't trust Dainsleif, to be honest, so coming up with something about him is really hard for me, at least with what we know so far...

[@BlueDaisy33]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming oh I was talking about Hypothetical ones because I didn’t think about how the fountain is a must for reproduction in Fontaine before so I was thinking about the hypothetical siblings being eldritch beings. Now obviously that is impossible before 4.2 but the idea is hilarious to me

[@deepindigo1937]

Skirk's master being called surtalogi, could be referencing shattered halberd since (if I recall correctly), swords forged from celestial materials had names and wills of their own. That or the shattered halberd pieces are the gnoses as if the was not being dramatic saying that he is a star, there is a chance that the 3rd was a celestial body as well and the gnoses being made from his remains would be about the same as the swords made from the meteor or whatever the books say.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I will come back to this comment once I've read the story. I'm not home, so I fear my phone battery would die if I started reading. I noticed it's a very long story!

[@xpearlx]

38:35 I think the statue holding the bowl and the other broken statue holding the bowl is a reference to stories in the bible where the overflowing cup represents all needs being met and never needing or wanting for anything again. The statue in fontaine looks satisfied with the cup they're holding while the statues in enkanomiya look like theyre asking for the cup to be filled. The primordial one/ phanes always met the needs of his people according the jubilee chapter in the book of sun and moon vol 2. But after the funerary year, when the earth was rent asunder, the prayers of the people turned to lamentations, and the PO and 3 shades could no longer hear them. Their cups no longer overflowed and then came the year of blindness (headless statue with the empty cup). I think this era is represented as the artifact of the golblet of eonothem (chinese translation: cup of emptiness). An empty cup could also be a vessel for something new or different, thus the people who were rejected by phanes now worshipped the helios

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

That's a very interesting theory. Though, I would understand why the statue is in Enkanomiya and the upside-down city, since they're part of the unified nation, so the people who sculpted it knew the Primordial One, but why would it be in Fontaine? Also, the same statue, although slightly different, also holds the same sword with scales that Egeria holds in the statue of the seven, Egeria is also the one who gave a goblet with Primordial Water to Remus, and Egeria was, indeed, created by one of the shades, so maybe she originally worked directly under the Primordial One as the one who gave the people everything they needed so that their cups were never empty? In that case, it would explain why a statue that resembles her, is both in the unified nation and in Fontaine, although in a more modern style. As for the people being rejected by Phanes, clearly we have a different theory about this. I don't think that Phanes is the Primordial One but one of the 4 shades, since they are, actually, 4 just like it's written in Before Sun and Moon. The rejection I guess it's the reason why Enkanomiya was sealed off? I still think the seal was a way to protect them from the second who came, and it makes sense if you consider the fact that the first thing the heavenly principles wanted to do as soon as they found out about Enkanomiya, was to kill them all because of what they knew...

[@magnusgabriel1605]

Sorry if you answered this on the video, but who do you think came up with the prophecy and created the slates? I did rewatch the video but couldn't understand, it was alot of information and I kind of got lost kkkkkkkkk

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Maybe I didn't make it as clear as I thought I did, sorry. I think it was Vedrfolnir the visionary, who may potentially be Nicole herself. She is probably old enough to have been there when Egeria committed her crime, which is what caused the prophecy to appear

[@magnusgabriel1605]

​@@ShadowX5452Gaming Thank you for responding, and also, I'm very sad that they didn't talk about the ruins that Arlecchino sent us, because it wasn't just the place that we found the slates, it had also that tower with the blue orbe on top. It would be nice if we came there on Furina second story quest.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@magnusgabriel1605 yeah, that's actually true. I would guess it has something to do with Remuria, but they didn't really explain what those ruins were, nor what the device above was. Also, I hate limited time domains. They spend so much making them and we get to see them once and that's it....

[@hirods9889]

Oceanide pronunciation is actually accurate ''Where the gods gaze does not fall'' is also said by dainsleif in the travail trailer I don't think Neuvillette is necessarily more powerful than Celestia's rules. Just that they have been inactive for 500 years now What I understand is that the gnosis is totally different from the authority. Again focalors needed to die to gave the authority back. That not necessary for a gnosis

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Which way is accurate? Mine? Yeah, Dainsleif does say that, I forgot about it... And he talks about Khaenri'ah, where people dream to dream, and I guess in dreams, like in people's consciousnesses, the heavenly principles can't see... As for Neuvillette, even if the heavenly principles haven't been active in 500 years, he still had the power to overrule their sentence, so I guess it does mean something. Why else make it so hard for a dragon to get their power back, otherwise? And for the gnoses, yeah, the authority and the casings are two different things, and it seems that the casings may end up being way more powerful than the authorities inside...

[@hirods9889]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming well both pronunciation are 'accurate' actually, you prononce it in the English way '' o ceanid'', but in game they said it in a French way o ce anide''. Neuvillette technically didn't change the outcome per say. As focalors said the prophecy was inevitable, and it's true Fontaine was indeed flooded. But by turning the Fontainian into ''real'' human the sea did not affect them. So Celestia sentence kinda was realized. Still wonder how Fontaine got flooded but not the rest of Teyvat

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@hirods9889 yeah, Neuvillette's part was to prevent the whole prophecy from happening, the dissolving side of it. The flood was going to happen anyway, which kinda doesn't make sense because, if he has full control over hydro, doesn't he have control over the water in general? And yeah, that's a question I've been asking myself but that I didn't include in the video. If Fontaine basically has no borders, no walls, but waterfalls all around it, how did the water rise that much without simply going down the waterfalls, submerging basically everything in Teyvat? It makes no sense but.... Oh well...

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@hirods9889 for the word Oceanid, my thought process is basically ocean-id....

[@hirods9889]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming as I was thinking, the quote ''teyvat as it's own laws'' is literally litteral xD And yeah, Neuvillette wasn't able to prevent the flood that weird but I didn't quite understand how the narwhal ''consuming'' the Primordial sea cause the water level (in Fontaine only) to ''raise''... Shouldn't it be the opposite xD ???

[@zekeaffy9647]

This sums up everything I have thought of for the longest time since the 4.2 archon quest. Dain really said "the path is now yours to reweave" means the supposed "no war" teyvat would be that everyone never died in the story, the humans, monsters and gods coexist. The Archon's throne might exist but their powers are not surpressed by anything anymore. The dragon sovereigns remain the true rulers of each nation while the "Archons" serve as to guide humanity or guide each nation of their ideals. The throne might be for us since in the beginning the throne was "never" for us "That throne in the sky is not reserved for you". This is the best ending I could see in the forseeable future, it is the best story if this happens. We will never know until it actually happens in the future. Until then lets hope the best of the story. Please dont be another "Honkai" type true ending where the whole world is destroyed....Or it might be a world where supernatural beings like gods never existed in the first place...which will be bittersweet, just like ch4 act 5. Though I actually find it depressing, now Im left with this poor girl I had c1. I am filled with guilt, ever since the quest...

[@sagaevan9641]

good video but one thing at the end did tick me off a little, neuvillette really doesn't count as the "playable hydro archon" and im tired of that sentiment. it's not a role he ever wanted, he'd never count himself among the usurpers. he just has a high position in government, but that doesn't make jean or ningguang the archon either, nor does it stop a drunkard venti from being the anemo archon. meanwhile furina is a piece of the late hydro archon, and her kit does more closely resemble the other recent archons with 100% skill uptime, elemental application, and buffing. ultimately the seat of the hydro archon has been destroyed outright so the argument should be settled there, but i must PROTECT her. she can fill your archon collection.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Still, Neuvillette said that the duties of the Hydro Archon fell on his shoulders and he is now the one who's sharing his power with the people so that they can have visions, which is a duty of the Archon... So more than my theory, it's his words.... And by the way, I don't collect the Archons. I don't have Venti nor do I really feel like I want him in general, to be honest.....

[@sagaevan9641]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming was ei not the archon amidst the vision hunt decree, then?

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@sagaevan9641 what do you mean? She has always been the Archon since Makoto died, and she still is. What about the vision hunt decree?

[@sagaevan9641]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming she wasn't distributing visions, if that's the criteria for archonhood. if anything she was an anti-archon taking them away lol

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@sagaevan9641 and that's exactly when no new electro visions were granted. She went against her duty and the process was impeded

[@isaiahhaley4816]

I have a theory about natlan now this is mostly based on how passed archon, quest gave us hints to future archon quest not I just telling us about the next nation, but about the story as well anyways to start off I would like to say the og pyro archon already has a successor one because in Zhongli’s character story five, he says the five seats have changed and we know five of the original Archons have died meaning that they were replaced by the original so there is a peirro Archon in natlan also what interested me in Fontaines story it’s the fact that we actually saw an on screen death of a playable character though folcalore and furina are different people in a sense, they’re still the same person one just with the physical form and one with the spiritual form and furina descending from godhood aligns on how scaramouch I send it to godhood and how the people of inazuma we’re terrorized by their God, but the people of Sumeru were the one terrorizing bear God so this actually had me thinking, considering all the thing we saw in Fontaine and how skirk says that dying leads to misfortune makes me think that the og pyro archon died and her remains are a type of curse to the people there considering we haven’t had a single natlan npc I wonder if nobody leaves that nation because there is a type of curse or thing keeping them in the nation and it seems that natlans call gimmick aligns with the concept of resurrection and rebirth and death and considering the pyro Archon is inspired by murata hemiko from Honkai who dies and in every universe a person from an alternate reality can have a similar fate to another makes me believe that murata will die in Fontaine but be resurrected somehow and I think that has something to do with the curse I believe is on natlan because of the previous pyro Archon’s death or maybe the pyro archon herself has a curse of rebirth just like how folcalore inherited the prophecy of Fontaine the curse that suspect natlan is under can be passed down to every new pyro archon until it is fulfilled considering every nation’s theme aligns with the element in Archon like with inazuma it was the concept of duality. At least I think it was and there were two twin archons plus thunder and lightning and Sumeru was the samsara’s and how nahida and ruhkkadahvata are basically the same person but are bound to have different fates like how two seeds from the same plant will end up dying a different way from the other and Fontaines concept of deception and have water can take on mini forms, but can never be that actual thing makes me believe that the pyro archon is a reborn version of the og or is cursed with a type of death sentence like folcalore using the energy inside the oratrice to kill herself I would really like this concept because we can actually see the death of a actual playable character but somehow get resurrected it also goes well with the theme of dragons since neuvillette is just a reborn version of the original water sovereign also with the gnosis neuvillette says that he no longer needs the power in it but in 4.1 he says that the gnosis are the basis of the Archons authority, and even implies that the usurper took that power from them and converted it to the gnosis which actually makes me believe that the elemental authority and the gnosis are two different things so where does the elementl energy from the gnosis come from if it’s not the dragons, I want to say the third decender, but the casing is what remains of them not the actual power within it also why does egeria look like ei with a second strand of hair when she’s depicted in the prophecy… also I wonder if the hydro pyro Anemo and geo archons were created by shades I mean, considering that those four elements are pretty much the basis of earth itself it’s possible that Hydro is life pyro is death Anemo time and geo space which makes me think that those four elements are primordial descendants of something else while cryo dendro and electro could be natural elements maybe? Also neuvillette is not a archon especially since the Hydro Archon thron is destroyed, and he belongs to a different as for furina not being an archon I’m slightly disappointed, but I also feel like there’s a chance for her to a Sepanta godhood maybe this is just me being delusional but since furina and folcalore are one of the same then furina could just be a representation of folcalore in a new samsara idk but what I find suspicious is the fact that even though folcalore died she didn’t leave behind any godly residue I mean, I guess it’s because she is only her own consciousness and soul with her divinity but but even still she should’ve left behind some disaster of her godly remains and it’s possible that she’s not truly dead, considering furina is her physical body meaning that she can’t truly die if furina is still alive

[@amieldelacruz7010]

I agree about the 4 shades having the 4 elements, pyro = death, hydro = life, wind = time, geo = space, because the clue given to us that Istaroth is both the God Time and Wind, also with Zhongli's ability to save Xaio from a terrifying conscious Domain (I am now thinking Zhongli might be one of the Shades or a creation), and also now that Egeria was created by the Shade of Life and also the ability of hydro to create life, (this abilities are wielded by the Goddess of Flowers & Shade of Life), and lastly the pyro archon and Natlan which is base on Aztics/Mayans where death is sacred thing all seems pointing to that direction. The other elements like electro, dendro, cryo are possibly belongs to the three moon sisters, you know they were 3 of them and 3 elements left, I probably need to wait, About the Gnosis, there is a theory that the 3rd Descender was Nibulung (likely entered and corrupted like Durin from being outside for a while by the Abyss, we know they were weak against the Abyss), and his remains are one being used as Gnosis hear me out, its impossible to belief that the SWC is Nibulung because he hates the Usurper King and will never help each other to create the Gnosis, also I think the remains of the Dragon King is the perfect material for a Gnosis, specially we found out that it boosted ones COMPATIBILITY towards this thrones that originally belongs to dragons, also he was the Dragon King, the Light Dragon thats why it can be split into 7 Element Gnosis, and his spirit is what's left being inside a crystal, (his a sinner because he brought Abyssal Corruption and nearly destroy Teyvat or I am wrong in this one is the SWC instead)

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@amieldelacruz7010 well I don’t think zhonglis a shade he’s likley a incarnation or a part of a shad but definitely not the shade of space since that’s sustainer and I doubt the goddess of flowers was the shade of life because she was a seelie. Also, I don’t think the dragon king could be there for the center, because I think it was said that the third to sender was a god and skirk said that the remains are somewhere to a God’s curse

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@amieldelacruz7010 also I’m pretty sure the three moon sisters in the four states are one of the same thing so I doubt the other three elements are connected to the three minutes sisters, because as far as we know the shade of space, and time are the only known alive gods from celestia since the other team and sisters are dead in that one remained

[@amieldelacruz7010]

@@isaiahhaley4816 Well I am probably wrong about the identity of the four Shades, But I am pretty sure that the 3rd Descender is the Dragon King, on Rene's description of a Descender they should wield power to cause destruction of Teyvat, also they need to be from the outside, even thou he originally come from Teyvat he transformed to much to be unrecognizable bringing Abyssal Corruption he is definitely corrupted, we both know that both Abyss and Kavarna can rewrite everything, so it wasn't far fetched for him to be considered a Descender at point, also we are not sure if the God Curse, comes from the 3rd itself or from the PO

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@amieldelacruz7010 ye but I doupt Selassie, I would use corrupted remains of a dragon to use as a gnosis plus it was said to be a god from what skirk says and there’s a theory that the dragon king is underneath the world tree and is sealed or in prisoner there by Celestia

[@opalglass8101]

I think that any Fontainian couples that moved away from Fontaine would still have returned to Fontaine to perform the ritual at the fountain. It is probably seen as a pilgrimage.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah, that's the only explanation there could be, but that would still be applicable for Fontainian women.... If the woman was from another nation, I deduce she wouldn't have been able to carry the blessed Oceanid inside of her.... I think...

[@opalglass8101]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming True. Perhaps blended nation couples wouldn't connect the dots and would just assume they couldn't have kids...

[@lexical450]

I'm ok with the fact that we didn't get a playable Hydro Archon, because in exchange we received a playable and fully powered (allegedly) Dragon Sovereign. Your theory about Pierro potentially being Surtalogi intrigued me, my brain immediately went back to the phrase "who would raise a all devouring whale as a pet..." (Skirk), sounds needlessly dangerous right, but what if that was simply another experiment on the road to "pursuing some form of perfection" (Skirk). Which i would imagine would be a way of preserving the old world (as Rosalyne's resting place, a glorified mausoleum) while also breaking through the cosmic egg shell and/or firmament. If he could create and/or control a creature or space that could encompass the entire world, then Pierro could fulfill the promise he made during the Winter Night's Lazzo trailer. Pierro was a ROYAL MAGE from Khaenri'ah, he KNEW the sages were fucking up, he either had already discovered something or had some top tier sixth sense way back when, so who knows what he has been up to ever since. Dude probably has all the original hard copies of before Sun and Moon and knows what Orobashi read that got the snake nuked (i'm a Pierro fanboy yes, how could you tell). Last thing on Pierro (assuming you're right), i know that all of those epithets that Skirk used aren't directly describing her master, but what if those are figures that her master knows personally and has dealings with. Maybe that is how Ajax became a Harbinger so fast, because somehow Pierro became privy of his power and he recognized "The Foul's power" in him, promptly telling Pulcinella to scout him. There is no reason why beings of that magnitude (Gold, Pierro, etc) couldn't work together, the Fatui as an "evil" organization becomes a trifling matter in the face of their goals, and they're individuals who should know a lot about the abyss. The House of the Wolves animation shows 0.00000001% of what i assume his power could be, my man is number 1 for a reason. Minor personal annoyances with 4.2: - Ajax appeared briefly and despite saving the day was promptly brushed to the side again, sigh, this Childe erasure is killing me. No seriously, no one asked about him (we get Arlecchino saying that he was shipped to Snezhnaya, to rest and recover) but come on that isn't enough. My boy was fighting some world ending threat, for who knows how on long in the abyss, proceeds to get thrown into a portal as if he was a ragdoll, got disrespected by Skirk (fuck her btw we will get to her) and we didn't even get a single word out of him... *audible B.R.U.H*. - Skirk, for the introduction of a very much anticipated character, that was a major let down. Firstly the design, i was expecting a battle harden, menacing unit like Waldstein or Enkidu (from Under Night in Birth)... honestly anything but a Eula with long hair and a Honkai skin. Her disposition and personality also were dry as fuck, apparently she doesn't leave the abyss much but the whole "i have nothing to say to the weak" was so eye rolling. I know Genshin is about selling characters to lonely and horny people, so i shouldn't expect much but still... Lore wise one of the many puzzling things she said, was that Neuvillette's power is mixed in with a curse of some kind. I wonder if when the Primordial one and The Second throne became buddies to make the Gnosis, they imbued the containers with some sort of fail safe in case the Archons decided to betray them, so Focalors thought she fooled the Heavenly Principles but her counter was countered and it's all 7d chess. Especially since they haven't done anything ever since (which seems really out of character, and now makes Nahida's threat back in Sumeru basically null). It's not even like it was all done hush hush, Dragon daddy flew into the sky and shot his newly acquired authority all over Fontaine, which couldn't be any closer from Celestia (making the whole "it's a decoy/empty panopticon prison, used to imprison freshly ascended allogenes for the harvest" theory really pop into my head). Sorry for the long post, but i got super excited and hyped with your video, i should've went to bed but the kitchen was calling me. Lets hope we get some meaty Hexenzirkel lore in the future patches, because i doubt they're gonna pull out the Pierro card just yet. Thank you for the awesome video and i hope you're taking care of yourself during these trying times.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking. If it's Pierro, he would fit the description pretty well because of what he said to Rosalyne's coffin. If the Narwhal destroys worlds, raising one means that Surtalogi wants this world destroyed, otherwise he wouldn't have used the Primordial Sea to raise it, and if you destroy the microcosm, you end up on the old world. As for Pierro being a Royal Mage, I think he was against what the other mages did in Khaenri'ah, since it is told in the pale flame (is this the right one?) artifact set, but then he may have learned about the Old world, changed his mind, and now he has 500 years of research on a way to reproduce what happened in Khaenri'ah but intentionally this time, not as a mistake. As for Before Sun and Moon, we know that Khaenri'ahn doesn't have it, since the Abyss Order was still trying to get it when we went to Enkanomiya, but for them to know what was written without having it, means that Khaenri'ah had something similar (since it was, most likely, built on some Unified Nation's ruins). So, he shouldn't have the book, but he still knows what's written on it, anyway. I don't know if Rhinedottir and Pierro are working together. Their goals seem very opposite. She wants to recreate the Primordial Human while he wants the Old World, so these goals seem to be completely mutually exclusive. But who knows, everything is possible. I also felt like they brushed Childe off, but it does make sense. He is Skirk's apprentice, so if we met him, he would have told us about her, her master, the narwhal and a whole lot of other things. By sending him straight to Snezhnaya, they were able to keep some information from us for a later time. Honestly, Skirk is more or less what I expected her to be, although I thought she would have looked more like a witch, since many of us thought she was part of the hexenzirkel. Her design actually makes sense: she deals with things that come from beyond this world, so her appearance doesn't look like anything from Genshin Impact. I honestly didn't expect her to look like a warrior. What she said about Neuvillette's power being mixed with a curse, was because he reclaimed his authority but he had the gnosis on him still, and that is the curse feeling she felt. I don't think there was a failsafe in case the Archons betrayed Celestia. I mean, Focalors did betray them and the authority went to Neuvillette, so the plan worked. I also don't know why people think the heavenly principles are dead. It makes little sense to me, to be honest. I've seen people saying that what Nahida said was a lie, but we're talking about the God of Wisdom, she doesn't lie. She wagered on awakening them by destroying the gnosis, but that was still an educated guess. Still, she said that it would awaken them, so they are alive. They are simply inactive. To wake someone or something up, doesn't necessarily mean that they are sleeping or something similar. It can also mean "attract their attention". So far, there haven't been globally worrying dangers that would destroy the world, so the heavenly principles don't have a reason to act. Even Neuvillette turning the Oceanid people into humans isn't enough for them to act. It didn't pose a threat to the world, and they wouldn't go against a fully fledged dragon anyway, so they didn't act. As for the floating island, it does sound like a means that the heavenly principles use to act on Teyvat. Is is, from the manga, shaped as a mix between an arena, a theater and a panopticon, but it also moves to places that need to be checked out, and everything that doesn't fall under Celestia, like the dark sea (the golden apple archipelago), Celestia isn't in the sky. This makes me think that the heavenly principles may not be able to get inside Teyvat, only the heavenly envoys (the shades). Which is weird, but makes sense at the same time.... Don't worry about the long post, by the way! I'm happy you enjoyed the video!!!

[@lyn6852]

I just find it funny how people are still saying how Furina is still an archon & asking if the prophecy was fulfilled or not after 4.2 😅 I need to rewatch your video later, theres too much info for my little brain 😆

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Well, as I said in the video, for some is hard to accept that there is no Archon in Fontaine, because they expected the game to always be the same. In every nation, we solve the problem, we get the Archon to play. This is, finally, the time for people to understand that we writers are free to do new things. Not only does it feel like the traveler didn't really do anything at all to solve the problem, if not for the trial in which he was the prosecution, but the Archon doesn't exist anymore. As for the prophecy, I think the problem is that the flood and the dissolution are two aspects of it. They saw the flood happening, and it's probably a "normal" occurrence of Fontaine, reason why it still happened. On the other hand, Furina is not alone on her throne, because the dissolution didn't happen. In a sense, only half of the prophecy happened, so the prophecy was both fulfilled and not fulfilled.

[@lyn6852]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming yeah, like we really just became a 'witness' in this archon quest Arlecchino already got the Gnosis... and there's still more patches ahead.. is it possible that Celestia will move? I'm also excited about the dainsleif quest

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@lyn6852 yeah, we basically did nothing at all other than talking. The voice actor must have been surprised when he saw all those lines to say, since he usually barely says two lines in a whole nation. I have great expectations for Fontaine now! As for Celestia, I hope it won't move, because that would be a reason for Hoyoverse not to allow us up there, and I want to see that arena/prison! Usually, I'm very, very skeptical about Dainsleif, because I don't trust him, so everytime there we play his quests, im on high alert. This time, I'm actually looking forward to it. That is, if he actually tells us who saw us...

[@marcusbullock2753]

I need some Natlan lore already. More of it than a dang talking stick

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Truuuueee!!! Other than being a tourist spot and people fight, we basically still know nothing at all!

[@GhostEmblem]

8:35 correct me if I'm wrong but Ergeria being the hyrdo archon when sinned means it was at *most* 2000 years ago not at *least* edit: What I mean is that the Archon wars ended 2000 years ago and the she cant have been the Archon before the end of the Archon wars. So if she was an Archon when she sinned it should not have happened before the end of the war 2000 years ago. I hope thats clearer.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Wait, I'm trying to reply to you, but I'm confusing myself between "at best" and "at least" at this point. So, the Archon wars were over for sure 2000 years ago. We don't know exactly when Remuria fell, but it happened not later than 2000 years ago. So hasn't Egeria become the Archon "at least" 2000 years ago? Like, she may have become it somewhere between 2700 years ago and 2000 years ago, but not later than 2000 years ago. Don't "at best" and "at least" mean the same thing in this case? In both cases, she had to have become an Archon not later than 2000 years ago. It's 3am...my brain is not working, clearly...

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

No, wait, "at best 2000 years ago" means that she has become an Archon anywhere from yesterday to 2000 years ago. What I mean is that she became the Archon before 2000 years ago, so it is "at least", which means "not less than"

[@sMv-Afjal]

The hydro vishap in Enkonoymia evoled with cyro and electro. Never with Pyro, anemo, dendro or geo. Just like how Foantaine people have two arkhae alignment. Which both look similiar ouisa and electro and but for pnuena and cryo it may be like celestial energy and pure combined elemental energy in khendriah factory azlecite.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah, although I Pneuma doesn't really feel like cryo too much. If anything, the arkhe look like imaginary and void, so electro is explainable as void, but imaginary should be more similar to dendro. But it does sound sus that the vishaps evolved in two specific elements just like there are two arkhe. Though, if I remember correctly, it is said that this evolution was basically the vishaps splitting the work, so if you think about it, it's the most effective fighting technique: permafrost and electrocute. Maybe they were simply smart about it. Pyro vishaps should exist, at least in the future, since we do see them, kinda, inside the narwhal

[@sMv-Afjal]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming Where do we see pyro vishap?

[@mijmijrm]

the Hydro Throne is destroyed. This is like abolishing the role of Monarch. Who, supposedly, is ordained by god. But, in place of Monarch is President, or similar. A kind of Monarch, but ordained by the People. Perhaps this is the next stage in Genshin. The rise of the alternative to Archon, a new kind of Archon created by the will of the people, rather than imposed from above.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Well, that would have made more sense in Liyue rather than Fontaine, since the current rules still hasn't been chosen by the people. If anything, he's an even higher being compared to an Archon. Maybe in the future, in the new era or samsara, we will get a world truly rules by the people, but we will have to wait for a long time before that can happen, if it'll happen

[@kasuha]

One thing that disturbs me is, why did Mona have to tell us where she was born. There was absolutely no need for that information so it's going to be important somewhere in the future. 38:40 Fontaine and Enkanomiya overlap a LOT. There's whole slew of instances where we visit places with undeniable Enkanomiyan designs throughout Fontaine. I think we're still up to learning why that is. On the other hand, I see almost no resemblance between the day/night switch and the fountain mechanism, except the generic "armillary sphere" principle that we meet pretty much everywhere, not just in these two places. They're about as much similar to each other as they are similar to Parametric Transformer or the device we met in Abandoned Laboratory. Even the "The Arrayed Stars Mirrored" furnishing we get in Layla's hangout is similar to them: concentric (semi-)circles connected by axis at different angles with something in the middle. That's it. And I'm really happy that I snatched both Furina and Neuvillette since first, that means I do have the Archon regardless which of the two it is (and I prefer imagining they both are in a sense), and second, they're absolutely busted in combat.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I mean, she works in Fontaine a lot, so Paimon was worried she was even half Fontainian. She's a friend and she was in Fontaine so the fear is warranted. Of course, she names Dornman Port again, and sooner or later, we will go there. I'm curious to see the spot where the statue of the seven has been stolen... As for Enkanomiya, we actually don't know the layout of the unified nation was, so it's hard to know where and why those sections are... For example, the room west of Elynas is basically a room from the unified nation, and it basically makes no sense for it to be there, since the other two places, Enkanomiya and the upside down city are below the surface, while this one is way above the surface, considering that Fontaine is elevated... It would be nice to know more about it... As for the switch, did you notice the cube inside? The device in Fontaine has a cube in side, too. They may be unrelated, or that may be a surviving design that modern people use without really knowing what it is, although I guess the concept behind that switch may not be as old as the unified nation, since the Dainichi Mikoshi was built after Enkanomiya fell... Still, it's a repeated design, as you noticed, which makes it a little strange, at least to me

[@Sacration]

NOTES ABOUT THE DESCENDERS : René in the end of the Narzissenkreuz storyline that A descender is not specifically someone that comes outside of this world but Someone with a Will that will that can rival the whole world this might be the reason our sibling, Aloy or the all devouring Narwhal are not considered one. I actually dont think Pierro is Surtalogi, it wouldnt make much sense. Skirk made it sounds like her master travels world to world and together they went to other planets since shes aware of that + she doesnt considere her master or her to be humans (at least now) so while Pierro has the curse of Immortality hes still human

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I have to re-watch the narzissenkreuz quest to be able to reply to the first half of the comment. It was a little too much, so I just don't remember everything. I will do it shortly, since I'm making a video about it. For the second half, I didn't really feel like she meant that she traveler across worlds, to be honest. She said that she went "down there" (I don't know how to define it) when she was young and she never came back to the surface, so it feels like she's only been there, not on other worlds. I do realize that Pierro being Surtalogi may be wrong, I did say that in the video itself, but you know, all things considered, he is actually playing a chess game based on the fate of the world, so he doesn't really look like a normal human, despite him being a cursed Khaenri'ahn mage. We also don't really know how someone can become greater than humanity, but considering that Rhinedottir is as greater as Surtalogi, I guess being a cursed Khaenri'ahn didn't really impeded her from becoming that great. It's still too early to actually figure Surtalogi out, but it kinda aligned with my previous theories, so I mentioned him. Maybe Surtalogi is the one that saw us in Caribert, not the sinner. In that case, we may end up learning about him in a few updates

[@Sacration]

New comment : So Neuvillette story about vision. I mean, seems like Ei deceaved us... i mean she doesnt seems to know that it is an unconscious process but Archons DO give a way "visions" or shards of themselves which means that they are insanely strong if they can give away so much to people Also I wonder what they gaine in return? Hmm... And what does this means for Furina ? Do all futur Fontaine characters from now on will have that new stylised vision ? Or this is a special one for Furina only? She manipulated both Pneuma and Ousia just like Neuvillette (well Lore wise now) And seems to manipulate primordial water too ? I wonder if it will come at play in her second story quest. Now we know more about "Ancient dragon authorities" that it is something completly different from gnosis which means while Venti and Zhongli are not Archons (as a title) still pretty much holds their respective authorities (meaning absolute controle over said element) and their thrones are also intact in heaven. Same for Raiden and Nahida. Does that make the strongest character (Lore wise) ? Or its Raiden or Apep ? I mean she doesnt have her dendro authority but she was certain that if Nahida healed her she wouldve destroyed the 7 nations. Or maybe Neuvillette is handicaped by his mortal body now? Also he said that his constellation is himself because hes free from the shakles of the world does that mean the Archons too and Traveller ? This is why they can act without consequences? Anyway that is the end for me, great video as usual. Thanks for the hard work

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Well, Ei is a substitute, she may not really understand how things work as well as the original ones did, this is an option. She also said that there is a side to it that she couldn't talk about, so maybe that was the duty that we learned from Neuvillette, who is not under Celestia's rules, so he could speak freely. What they gain in return... That would be nice to know. I doubts it's just power, unless the elements get mixed with the power of people's memories and get enhanced. Who knows... For Furina, we do need to remember that, although she is a human, she was indeed also the Archon. Focalors split her divinity, but it was still a side of her. The whole Furina was a God and an Archon, so she ended up receiving the power over Pneuma and Ousia like Egeria. Now that her divinity has disappeared, her "composition" is still based on both arkhe, so her vision is unique. This doesn't apply to new vision holders, though. I do have great expectations about her second story quest, by the way! Venti has always been an Archon, he simply left his people free, that's why he doesn't rule over them. Zhongli fakes his death, but he's still the Archon, despite his people not knowing. Anyway, it's not much like them being stronger than Furina, it's more like they are Archons, she's not, she's just a peculiar human... As for Apep, did you see how massive she is? I guess she doesn't need the authority to destroy the nations XD But, if she wanted to fight against the heavenly principles again, if she had her authority back, they would lose for sure. Neuvillette is shackled from the world because he is the Reincarnation of a being that doesn't belong to Teyvat in the first place, since the dragons were originally from the old world, but he now also reclaimed that authority that was taken from those original dragons, so his powers are beyond the rules of Teyvat. This doesn't apply to the Archons. They are the overseers of the material world, they are part of Teyvat. They are able to do whatever they want, probably because their actions, so far, don't represent a threat. They don't appear as dangerous in the fate of the world, but that may be because these actions have been done either in a consciousness (where the heavenly principles' gaze cannot reach), or involve the gnoses, which, as pieces of a descender, are basically invisible to fate, since they don't really belong in Teyvat.

[@Kynokefalos]

Wait a moment, if Pierro destroys the eggshell barrier of Teyvat and reveal the old world....does it mean that we will have more nations and continents to explore? Omg we were so wrong all this time, we MUST help the Fatui! Also i learnt about aztects myths of past humans cursed to monkeys in a good anime called Onyx Equinox, totally worth it.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I mean, I hope the game won't end there, that we will be able to keep playing in the new world, if that's actually what is going to happen. I used the anime presentation at the end of the video for a specific reason: I HOPE it won't be just "what happens after the game ended"... Never heard of that anime, I'll go take a look as soon as I finish watching goblin slayer. I started it a few days ago and I'm almost to the current episode

[@Kynokefalos]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming Hope you like it :D, it uses a lot of lore and even the aztecs gods in the plot.

[@radicaljojo8795]

He may be a man but he always delivers 🔥🔥 Jokes aside, this is my first time seeing the theorised names and origins of the Primordial One and the Second Who Came. Maybe I didn't dig deep enough. The 7 samsaras are also a really cool concept, and i cant wait for the rest of genshin's story to play out!

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Thanks!!! I made a video, or three, about bythos and sophia in the past. I think I talked about them in the 4.0 analysis, too. The seven samsaras feel too precise to be a coincidence. I will be bold for once and say that I might be right about it XD

[@radicaljojo8795]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming there's no way its a coincidence. Hoyo always has a reason! That being said, I'm probably gonna reread before sun and moon to see if I missed anything. Thanks for the really detailed video! :>

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@radicaljojo8795 good luck with the book. I think I read it so many times, I probably know it by heart at this point XD Thank you for watching!!!

[@marcusbullock2753]

I don’t know why but I kinda hate how the narwhal was most likely a coincident than just the prophecy. To me it felt kinda bogus. Cool fight though.

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

Slay lore enjoyer! Here have this 👑 at least is not a Gnosis. LMAOOO.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Then it won't cause a global disaster!!! XD

[@oscarlara2040]

Love how similar Aztec mythology is to mayan mythology.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I actually know very little about Mayan mythology, but also Inca mythology as well. I guess I'll have to check them out to see if there's something relevant when it comes to genshin impact

[@marcusbullock2753]

I always kinda figured the heavenly principles are the true Rulers and not the archons they’re r just more like forced governors of each land.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Well, they did tell us that since the beginning of the game, since we met the sustainer of the heavenly principles when we tried to leave. Then, in Inazuma, the Shogun said "only through eternity are you closest to the heavenly principles". If an Archon strives to adhere to the heavenly principles, it had to mean that they were higher in status

[@Cata-qp6fi]

I know I’m late but in your intermission, you had the same brain melt that Ashikai had during her 4.1 Furina video, when she mentioned Kaveh’s mother married a Fontainian. 😅

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Really? I must have missed her video! But yeah, it makes sense to have a melt down on that XD Is it said anywhere if she had kids with her new husband? I don't remember the story, I have to read it again

[@Cata-qp6fi]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming as for now, we still don't have any clues about children, but it was mentioned that his mother started a new life in Fontaine. Ever since 4.0 I was searching for her whereabouts but couldn't find anything

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@Cata-qp6fi so I did remember correctly that it just said that she only started a new family. Well, on theory, she shouldn't have had a kid with her Fontainian husband... If she did, though, our brains will melt even harder XD By the way, we're still missing Pretrichor, which i guess is the island in the lower lake east of Fontaine (you can see the great waterfall from the city), so she may be living there, perhaps

[@raiboodie]

I cant believe for once my theory was correct 😭😭

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Which one? If you told me in the past, I'm sorry, I can't remember which one it was. I would probably remember if I read it again, though

[@raiboodie]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming i replied in your previous video about how i believe furina was probably sacrificing an aspect of herself to give neuvillette full authority.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@raiboodie yeah I saw, it was spot on! I'm sorry again for not remembering, there are quite a few people commenting, so I didn't associate that theory with your name XD

[@raiboodie]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming its no problem. totally understandable!

[@ilucasz]

21:20 So... Arleccino and Lynette weren't able to get pregnant if they got married to foreigner men?

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

I don't know why specifically Arlecchino and Lynette, but I guess they could since they're the women who would have got pregnant. If the fountain "places" a blessed Oceanid in the woman's body, it seems they just needed to pray to the fountain to get pregnant, and in this case the women are from Fontaine, so the should have been able to get pregnant. I guess....

[@TKP83349]

0:11 no man I don't think fontain ARCHON QUEST is perfect don't get me wrong though is- storymakers just go so layzy at the end AFTER COMPLETING PROPHECY, the reason- I am saying because in the end of the ARCHON QUEST how much time do we need just visit furina jast for ones,and thanks her for what she did and just give her a shoulder that she needs at least, I AGAIN REPEAT-shoulder that she needs because how much alone she became at the end of ARCHON QUEST I KNOW I AM BEING RIDICULOUS BUT IF YOU AND CAN UNDERSTAND THE PAIN SHE SUFFERED FOR FAR TOO LONG AND AT THE END SHE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING AND EVEN THE PEOPLE SHE SHAVED ARE ALL MISUNDERSTOOD HER well we can't blame them for that BUT AS WE THE TRAVELLER AT LEAST WE CAN GO AND JUST GIVE HER A HUG A HUG FOR THE ALL SHE HAVE DONE, Is that so much ask for Mihoyo and the story mekars. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED AT THE END OF THE ARCHON QUEST AND ALSO IN FURINA STORY QUEST. THAT'S WHY I tkp83349 HEARBY DECLARE THAT THE ARCHON QUEST IS NOT PERFECT! and one more thing when the archon quest end I am too desperate to find furina and give her some support she deserve! I am literally being like at the end please don't end the archon quest at this point. BUT HAAA I AM PIST at the end of aercon quest😤

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

But at the same time, she had to be in the face of people basically 24/7 for 500 years, never able to just do what she wanted. Now that her role is over, she may simply need some time for herself to figure out what she wants to do, who she really is. Imposing yourself on people just because you feel they need your help or presence, is never the right choice. Furthermore, Clorinde took care of her, she stayed with her in her new house and even helped her experience an outing with friends for the first time, so it's not like she's alone. Even Neuvillette said that he will do everything so that she will never lack anything in her life. And then, during the character quest, we helped her understand what she wants to do. She's the first person we went to because acting in theater is her real calling. So, okay, you didn't like it, but in my eyes, it was perfect regardless. Also, it's not like we became close friends with her like we did with the other Archons, it wouldn't have felt right to act all buddy after we literally deceived her into "failing" her 500 years long role and even having her sentenced to death... And we still have animula choragi chapter 2 to play in a few months...

[@davidjohnson8273]

So the third comment is on the fate stuff and changing fate. You seem to be denying this stuff takes place. You said: "There was no change in the world, no rewriting of memories, no alternative time lines, no time travel. Nothing." So in 4.2 fate does NOT get changed as a result of Furina? Or are you saying changing fate doesn't change the world? changing fate doesn't change the future? Traveler says at one point something about the whole thing having been done before, and I think there was another hint like that. But ignoring those rather obvious problems which have no context, the whole point of a prophecy is to lay out a version of the future ("history of the future") and the whole point of defeating it is to choose a different version of the future so clearly that's two "alternative timelines" regardless of whether you want to use those words or others. The game doesn't use those words, it uses words like "fate". You said Nicole turning up has nothing to do with her turning up last time. So it's all a big coincidence? it's not because the two quests are related? We've had five big fate related stories (Makoto-Sakura in v2.1, Rukkhadevata-Nahida in v3.2, Scaramouche-Wanderer in v3.3, René world forumla in v4.0 and now this prophecy in v4.2) And you say there is nothing linking them? They're all just separate stories? And even though we know the overall theme of the game is leading up to Traveler and Dainsleif "reweaving the threads of all fate" as the Travail video says it, from the very beginning of the game... there's no larger plot going on here, right? Nothing descender related because of how descenders have an odd relationship with fate either? The game story is about fate. Five big fate based quests. It's all a coincidence? The stories are all isolated and unrelated?

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Fate was changed, it was deceived, but not because of Irminsul. it was changed because of Focalors's plan involving a power that doesn't belong to Teyvat, the authority of the original Dragons who were, indeed, not from Teyvat but from the Old World. In this case, yes, Fate was changed, but not in the same way as it happened in Inazuma. Pretty pointless to repeat what I mean by that, since we both know the ending of this discussion. The whole point of a Prophecy, in my opinion and in the game, is that this was what Fate predicted if nothing it can't predict happens. We don't really have two alternative timelines, just one. One that was supposed to happen (fate, which is a prediction of the events), but that was "impeded" by external factors (the authority of a dragon, which is beyond Fate), so Fate simply adapted to the changes once they were made. Fate was changed in the present. Differently, in Inazuma (and once again, I already know that we disagree on this) the timeline based on Fate's prediction was changed from the future into the past. Ei said that she fought for 500 years and when we traveled to her, we saw scenes of the past in the broken mirror effect, so Ei fought the Puppet in the Makoto's consciousness for 500 years but in reverse. We ended up right when the Cataclysm happened, when Makoto died and became a Consciousness imbued with Istaroth's power, so that Ei could plant the seed 500 years in the past, making the tree grow up instantly, saving Inazuma as a consequence. Fate was changed in the past, creating a completely new timeline. Makoto and Istaroth's change of the timeline happened at the same time in two different pasts and two or even three different presents: her present when she died (when the change began), which became her past when 500 years later Ei entered her consciousness, which became, again, another Makoto's present, because we went back to when she died; Ei's present, when she entered the domain, and Ei's past when she travelled 500 years in the past in the consciousness. Inazuma, according to what I think, which is completely different from what you think, was very intricate. Nicole "appearing" in Fontaine has nothing to do with her appearance in Sumeru. in Sumeru, she sensed the Irminsul change and our doubts, so she wanted to guide us. In Fontaine, especially if she is Vedrfolnir, things are different. She sensed our doubts about the Prophecy (if she's Vedrfolnir or the Visionary in general, it would be her prophecy to begin with), and she, most likely, figured out that Focalors was doing something in a place where the Heavens couldn't see. She also knows that we are outside the rules of Fate, so she guided us again. Plus, Mona tried to contact Barbeloth and Nicole saw that. She did say she wanted to help the friends of Barbeloth's apprentice... I don't see why things have to be related no matter what. Makoto's Fate change was specific for Inazuma. She did it to save her nation. Rukkhadevata's Fate was for the whole World, because if Irminsul wasn't healed, Teyvat would have been destroyed. Scaramouche's Fate was literally personal, and amounted to nothing in the end, since nothing really changed. René's world formula, in the end, didn't even happen in the end. the Prophecy was specific for Fontaine and what Egeria did in the past. Yes, Fate is one for the entire world, but Fate is also individual at the same time. Changing one person's or one Nation's Fate, doesn't necessarily change the entire world. For example, if the prophecy happened in total, the global result would have still been the same. the rest of the world wouldn't have changed because the people of Fontaine dissolved, just like the rest of the world wouldn't have changed if Inazuma got destroyed. I mean, something would have changed, but it wouldn't have affected the other nations' development or history. This doesn't mean that there isn't a larger plot going on. I even said it in the video: the Archons are slowly turning against the Heavenly Principles and, as a consequence, against Fate. It's not a coincidence that 5 stories were based on Fate, but each story is specific to its nation (maybe not Sumeru, since it would have affected the whole world), but together spell the generic current disapproval with the Heavenly Principles. They are both isolated on a small scale (nation) and related on a grand scale (Heavenly Principles) at the same time.

[@davidjohnson8273]

OK so you agree these things are linked you just don't like saying "Irminsul". That's 100% fine. Irminsul is simply the vehicle or flavour of how the fate machine of Teyvat operated in Sumeru. If you prefer to say "fate" that's fine. So you are linking these stories or feel they ought to be linked and your link is fate. So that's exactly the same as me and honestly it's pretty undeniable. And you also have some sort of theory as to how more specifically some of this stuff operates. That is to say when it comes to changing fate why some things appear to work and some things don't. Your theory appears to be that when challenging the fate system of Teyvat you need something external to the system. So descenders are a clear example - checks the box for Irminsul as we're explicitly told descenders are immune - checks the box for prophecy as we're told a descender's fate can't be foretold by astrology - checks the box for René and the world formula as descenders are an external parameter. And even just that by itself could be a theory if you figure out how a descender was involved in all 5 cases (except Scaramouche if that's considered a fail). And that works except for Makoto-Sakura which happened 500 years ago, but you can easily say well Istaroth was involved or even that Traveler was involved when they went "back in time" 500 years. But in addition to descenders you're saying maybe anything external to Teyvat, and you name dragons (or more specifically dragon authorities) as an example (because in your theory the old world is external to Teyvat making dragons a sort of descender-like thing). So in that case the reason Neuvillette can just smash through the prophecy is that he is external to Teyvat - at the least now he has his authority, perhaps not before that. Thus it's not because of the Traveler this time (who didn't really seem to do anything important the whole AQ). Possibly the Narwhal is external also. Ok soon this basis presumably you'd tie it into Sumeru by saying when Nahida changed Irminsul she had Traveler with her, but when Scaramouche tried he did not? Well I'll leave that one up to you. Or am I just making up shit there and you didn't mean any of that stuff? @@ShadowX5452Gaming

[@davidjohnson8273]

So I wanted to go over your answer to the question of how you think Furina "deceived" fate. So you said: "How the heavenly principles were deceived? I explained Focalors's plan, just like she explained it pretty clearly herself. She left her body to play the role of the Archon so that the heavenly principles couldn't see that her divinity was planning to destroy her seat and give Neuvillette's power back. What else is there even to explain?" OK. So to be clear. You think the Heavenly Principles can be fooled by a human girl just claiming to be a god? Arlecchino wasn't. Neuvillette wasn't. Traveler wasn't. Aren't the Heavenly Principles supposed to have a special connection to the Archons? But they can't sense anything at all? Oh wait no if they literally couldn't sense anything at all, because they were asleep or dead or away or something, then Furina's act wouldn't be needed. So your theory is that the Heavenly Principles ARE paying attention, BUT they don't notice anything wrong? But it gets worse. Now presumably your theory also says that IF the Heavenly principles DID see something wrong they would do something about it and attack Fontaine in some way or do something in reaction, right? Because if they don't do anything when they realize they have been fooled then there's zero point in trying to fool them, right? And Focalors says that it was vital that Furina perform her act for 500 years. OK so do the Heavenly Principles not notice when one of their thrones gets blown up? Do the Heavenly Principles not notice when one of their archons dies? Do the Heavenly Principles not notice when a dragon Sovereign regains it's authority? What's the point of spending 500 years as it were "hiding" from the divine gaze, if you're going to make as much noise as possible at the end of it? Do you see why there's more to be explained here? I don't think "deceiving fate" means having Furina act as the Archon for 500 years. Focalors tells Furina to act as how a HUMAN would expect a god to be. She doesn't tell her how Heavenly Principles expect a god to act. So who is being fooled? Btw do you have an idea on what Focalors means by saying before you deceive fate you must deceive yourself? Neither Foclaors nor Furina are deceived by their own actions in your version of the story as i understand it. At best Focalors refuses to tell Furina about the plot details. But that's not deceiving her.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

You do realize that, even though Furina is a human, she was still the Oceanid that became the Archon? Focalors is just an aspect of her, and as such, she was, indeed, the Archon, although without powers. The Heavenly Principles are not living in Teyvat among the people, and Focalors's plan happened in her consciousness, the place where the Heavenly Principles' gaze cannot reach. Yes, Arlecchino figured out that something was off, but she had to physically attack her to see that. So yes, I think the Heavenly Principles are paying attention, that is they can see the fate of the world and, if something is predicted to go wrong, they will act. if there's something they can't predict, like Forbidden Knowledge, Descenders, an Archon's plan that was concocted inside a Consciousness, they can't act beforehand, because it won't show in the Fate. Have you ever asked yourself why the Heavenly Principles didn't stop the Cataclysm before it happened? it was caused by a Descender who brought Forbidden Knowledge, two things that don't belong to Teyvat and, as such, they weren't predicted by Fate, until it was too late and Fate had to adapt to what had already happened, which is when they did something. For the same reason, the Heavenly Principles couldn't see that the Throne was about to be blown up until it was too late, because it all happened inside Focalors's consciousness, where, again, their gaze can't reach. Yes, now the throne doesn't exist anymore, but did that cause anything globally preoccupying for them to act? no. The goal was to make those oceanid people into real people. it's not dangerous, it doesn't pose a threat to the world, so they have no reason to act. What's the point of spending 500 years in hiding? if she didn't do that, then the Heavenly Principles would have had the time and means to dispose of her before she could save the people. Now that's it's done, what can they do? lay waste of an entire nation? there's no need. The Archon, the one who would have been guilty of this plan, already died, so they don't have anyone to punish, and they wouldn't go against a fully fledged dragon, since Neuvillette showed us that his Authority can overrule Celestia. They would risk losing. But still, didn't I explain all of this in the video already? Yes, I could have made a separate section just for this, but I also needed to keep the video under 50min. As for what Focalors said, it refers to Furina. If she knew that Focalors's plan was to annihilate herself, she wouldn't have accepted. Furina's justice is to suffer so that other will be alright. If she knew that the one who would have suffered the most was Focalors, it would have gone against her justice. By not telling her what the plan actually entailed, Focalors deceived "herself", because Furina and Focalors are still the same person at the end of the day

[@davidjohnson8273]

Furina is (well, was) the Fontaine Archon, yes. Almost nobody is saying that. The Cataclysm seems a case that's too powerful to sweep under the rug with the fate system and Celestia does (apparently) respond quite strenuously to it. So you theorize that Celestia knows something happened but don't see fit to do anything about it after the fact. Like go and fight Neuvillette or penalize Furina or any other people in Fontaine some more. That's not bad but if that's the case it feels like there was no point trying to hide anything from them because they never would react anyway. Re-run the entire scenario and just not have a Furina. It all works exactly the same. Foclaors is in the box gathering energy. One day she gets enough energy and does the same stuff as before. Done and done. If anything that's LESS suspicious to Celestia. Sitting in a box doing nothing is what Venti, Nahida and Ei do. it's actually the normal Archon behavior. Splitting yourself in two is the suspicious activity. If Celestia are paying attention wouldn't they see there's two Archons? At the very least they might. And if that probability is > 0% then it's an unnecessary risk to the plan. Just keep Focalors as the only Archon and have her sit in the box 500 years. I mean you could say "MiHoyo wanted a spare so they could sell more product and figured selling a dead character would hurt sales". That seems like a weak argument though, because they could have just written the script to made Furina necessary. Also it's not just that Furina seems pointless. Her suffering is pointless. And that's a huge problem to any narrative because so much is made of the suffering of course. And Foclaors goes out of her way to say it was necessary but it really seems completely unnecesary. I don't think merely not telling Furina the plan ("a need to know basis") is deceiving her. Furina knows she's not being told everything and she appears fine with that. Furina deduces (correctly) that Foclaors has some plan and that plan requires Furina to do her part. That's all true and all stuff she's told honestly and openly. So I see no deception. Furina sees herself as the pawn of the goddess and she's good with that. Now we know she's not a pawn but the two are the same being in some sense, but that doesn't seem to rise to a deception. I guess you could argue that Focalors heavily implies to Furina that Furina is NOT the Archon, which is a lie. Hm. That's probably the best explanation from your point of view although again - weirdly enough most people now say Furina was never the Archon but was only acting as the Archon. However even this raises the question "Why does Focalors keep Furina out of the loop so much?" If she'd said to Furina "I need you to act like the Archon -- well technically you are the Archon so it's no lie -- it's just that you have no powers so you need to hide that." I think Furina's mental issues -- that she has to lie to her closest friends all the time -- would be lessened. Furina would be 100% fine with Focalors dying. Furina even says to Focalors why ME? why do I have to be the one to pay the price? "Well you're not because I'll be paying a heavy price too." I think Furina would 100% accept that. it would be preferable in fact. @@ShadowX5452Gaming

[@bluesnow7004]

Realistically, logic aside, I hate the idea that the heavenly principle is always dormant for 500 years because that would make Furina's suffering pointless. This, in my opinion, a bad writing. I doubt that Hoyoverse will reveal in the future that all these plans, other than restoring the 'authority' to Neuvillette, are unnecessary and pointless. "Focalors tells Furina to act as a HUMAN would expect a god to be." I think if there is a point that it's common knowledge in Fontaine that Furina is not the Archon, of course, the heavenly principle would know, and this plan would only work if Focalors knew the limit of heavenly principle perception. That's why she cursed Furina-the curse can deceive even Celestia, but only close examination, like what Arlecchino did, can expose her identity.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@davidjohnson8273 i wonder if I really need to answer, since you seem to "know" what my answers would have to be and you answered them... Anyway, you are kinda missing the entire point of the story. Furina's justice is to suffer so that nobody else has to, which is something Focalors clearly said. If she knew that her suffering was necessary for "someone else's" death, she wouldn't have agreed. To Furina, Focalors is basically another person, she doesn't even know who she is. She is "mirror me", not "my divinity". As for the heavenly principles, their goal is, clearly, for the dragons never to get their powers back, otherwise they wouldn't have used the remains of a dead descender to store their powers inside and locked them with an Archon's existence and throne. The moment this plan was concluded and Neuvillette got his powers back, acting would have meant a war against a fully fledged dragon, and their potential loss. Let's remember that Neuvillette was able to overrule Celestia's sentence, so his powers now are dangerous for them. It is way better to leave things be, since they don't pose a threat to the heavenly principles as they are. I don't really understand why people expect the heavenly principle to act mindlessly and destroy everything, when they have only acted when something extremely dangerous to the entirety of the world happened, like the cataclysm of the world being on the brink of destruction. On the other hand but also for the same reasons, they would have acted if they happened to learn that Focalors was trying to destroy her seat, because in that case, they would have been stronger than a half dragon, and they would have prevented Neuvillette to get his powers back. As for Furina being or not being an Archon... She was and she wasn't the Archon at the same time. She was the Archon because, at the end of the day, Har body and her divinity are just aspects of the same being, so she was, indeed, the Archon. But she also wasn't an Archon because Furina (the body) didn't have her divinity, she wasn't even a God at that point, and you can't be an Archon without those aspects of yourself. So she had to act as an Archon because, without her divinity and from Furina's point of view (since she didn't know who Focalors was in the first place), she had nothing to do with archonhood. "why me?", that's a question someone who knows what going on, wouldn't have asked, otherwise it would have been obvious why it had to be her duty and not someone else's. I think I replied to the whole comment. Replying from my phone is impossible, since I can't scroll up and down to read what you wrote.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@bluesnow7004 but here's the problem: when was it said that they sleep for 500 years? They did nothing between the Archon War and the cataclysm, and that's not 500 years, that's about (approximate number) 1500 years ago. Focalors's plans are not unnecessary as well as Furina's suffering. You're missing the fact that the Heavenly Principles don't want dragons to get their powers back, otherwise they would be stronger that the Heavens and wage war against them again, only this time the heavenly principles would lose. The Heavenly Principles act only if there's some globally dangerous events, like the cataclysm or Teyvat being almost destroyed. Now, the Heavenly Principles couldn't care less that the Oceanid people became real humans, that poses no threat to them not to the world. They cared about punishing Egeria because she used a power that she shouldn't have used, a power that maybe could have been used to defeat the heavenly principles since her authority over the Primordial Water is basically Neuvillette's authority, so she could have become as strong as a dragon. By enacting this plan in secret, Focalors managed to destroy the Hydro throne and give back Neuvillette's authority, meaning that Celestia has been "hurt" and a dragon is now as strong as it could be. I don't understand why people expect the Heavenly Principles to act mindlessly, but if a fully fledged Dragon is powerful enough to overrule Celestia's sentence, why would they stupidly star a war against it, knowing that they may lose? Neuvillette is caring about the people of Fontaine, he's acting as an Archon and left some power for the humans, as Celestia imposed on the other Archons. He's not actively trying to defeat the heavenly principles, so there's no point, now at least, to try and defeat him. He's not a threat, for the time being. As for what you said about Furina, yes. Focalors, as an actual Archon and God, knows the limitations of the heavenly principles just like Makoto knew as well, so it seems that the Archons know exactly how to act in secret if the need to. If Furina was openly just a human, the heavenly principles would have known. But everything, the plan, Furina's desperation and doubts, all happened in her mind, inside her consciousness and we know that consciousnesses are off limits to the heavenly principles. Only there they are "free from the clutches of the heavenly principles", as Makoto said.

[@fernandasicsu6587]

Furina will be the archon as long as we dont finish the quest lol

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

Lol, kind of like Rukkhadevata is not [REDACTED] until you finish Sumeru's AQ🥲

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Ahahahhaha so you're not playing the game anymore? XD

[@flutterflutter5500]

the hydro archon isnt real

[@Azaro_64]

"Inazuma mas great" bruh

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Just because you didn't like it, it doesn't mean that no one liked it, "bruh"

[@Roihclem871]

Bythos=monad

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yes, the one, the monad. Didn't I write it in the video? If not, I guess I just wrote it in my past ones and forgot to do it in this one...

[@BALTDGuitar]

Why do you pronounce it "Fosalors" instead of "Focalors" you pronounce "Focus" correctly since you dont say "Fosus" its the same thing with her name

[@xxmoonspellxx1801]

Have you ever played or watched anything related to the Fontaine Archon Quest?😭 Like every time Furina appears on screen announces her presence while pronouncing Focalors in a french way. Edit: exhibit A: 17:04

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Yeah, as xxmoonspellxx said, that is how the name is pronounced by every voice actor in the game. At least the English version. I don't know about the other languages. The way you want me to pronounce it, it's how you would name the demon from the Ars Goetia, not the Archon in Genshin Impact.

[@BALTDGuitar]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming Thanks for clearing that up for me, in the Japanese dub they pronounce as I said. Considering Fontains inspiration I would say "Fosalors" does make more sense.

[@BALTDGuitar]

@@xxmoonspellxx1801 Yes I did the whole thing in Japanese

[@isaiahhaley4816]

Don’t lie about inazuma bro the story was not that good we all accepted it…

[@DavidJohnson-ib1dh]

Only if you don't understand it - which is everyone.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

This is pretentious, to say the least. You didn't like the story? Fine. Don't expect other people to think what you think. Also, what would it have been the point for me to "lie" about Inazuma's story being good? I'm not sponsored by Hoyoverse, so I have no reason whatsoever nor am I obligated to lie in their favor.

[@isaiahhaley4816]

@@ShadowX5452Gaming dude relax I was just making a joke inazumas sorry it wasn’t bad. It just had some moments where it could’ve been better, for example kokomi could’ve had more of a part to play nearing the end of its ark instead we got Kazuah and ei feels like her character development was rushed, and it doesn’t feel like she was probably dealt with of what she has been doing for the past 500 years

[@Roihclem871]

I wonder if we are just being played by fate being shown teyvat in the hopes we fall in love with the people

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@Roihclem871 hmm... It could make sense, but I don't think fate was expecting the traveler. He is basically fate's greatest enemy, considering how it can't predict the traveler's moves, and the traveler is the only one who can really defy it. Well, except for Focalors, but she was a genius from the start.

[@davidjohnson8273]

Well I notice you couldn't go more than 7:18 before mentioning "Irminsul". But I'm disappointed that you don't find any time to talk about the prophecy itself, as opposed to it's origin. For example you don't ask if it was fulfilled or not fulfilled. You don't ask how fate (or the heavenly principles) were deceived. You don't ask what was "supposed" to happen. You don't theorize about what the rules are or what's going on. And of course because you don't ask any of that sort of question, it's impossible to ask how the Fontaine AQ relates to other fate related AQs and world quests. Because they're all a black box labelled "don't worry about what is inside". So are you thinking there's simply no relationship between the other four stories and the 4.2 AQ? Meaning that Nicole showing up is a coincidence? This seems to be the heart of the 4.2 AQ -- the prophecy that is. Is it just discarded as a standalone story in your view? Even as a standalone story it's hollowed out because there's no sense of understanding what's going on. There's a prophecy, but Neuvillette gets strong and overrides it? That's it? What was the point of all the details? Are they all window dressing or padding? The 4 slates - irrelevant. The whale - irrelevant. Furina pretending to be an Archon - irrelevant. The prophecy itself - irrelevant since it's simply overridden by the use of power. nothing "clever" is happening which requires an explanation? it's just Neuvillette gets power. Neuvillette fixes the problem by punching it? You say you thought it was the best story but I don't see how people can like a story that don't even begin to understand. It's like going to see a movie and not even bothering to pay attention to the plot and coming out saying "great movie". Great movie but what was the slate stuff about? Don't know. Why did the Furina person pretend to be something? Don't know. So did the prophecy just get punched so it never happened? I guess so. Why did the other woman die? I dunno I think it was to power up the dragon dude. Where did the whale come from? I guess it was flooding the world. So why did the flood happen even after it's killed? I dunno. To give the dragon someone to punch maybe? Do you understand my point here?

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Okay, that's it. You know what's irrelevant here? You're rudeness and superiority that you think you have and I'm actually starting to get fed up with it. What the hell do you mean with all of those questions? Did you even watch the video or did you just write a comment without even knowing what I said in the first place? The prophecy was fulfilled? Yes, of course, Aether straight up says IN THE GAME that the flood had to happen. Was it completely fulfilled? No, and I answered that question in the video. How the heavenly principles were deceived? I explained Focalors's plan, just like she explained it pretty clearly herself. She left her body to play the role of the Archon so that the heavenly principles couldn't see that her divinity was planning to destroy her seat and give Neuvillette's power back. What else is there even to explain? I didn't even need to "ask" what was supposed to answer, since the prophecy CLEARLY said that the people were supposed to be dissolved, leaving Furina alone on the throne. What rules? Egeria creating humans on her own? Do you understand the title of the video? It's an analysis of the 4.2 Archon quest, not a "Teyvat comprehensive after 4.2" video. You keep pretending to be able to tell me what I should or what I shouldn't be talking about in my videos, which is deranged btw. I needed to prioritize what I wanted to talk about. So no, I never "asked" those questions because they were either already clearly explained in the game or because I explained them in the video already without asking anything. Oh, and by the way, I am sooooo sorry that I had to mention the bane of your existence, Irminsul, because I needed to clarify that I was associating it to Yggdrasil. And no, Nicole showing up in this Archon quest had NOTHING TO DO with Irminsul. There was no change in the world, no rewriting of memories, no alternative time lines, no time travel. Nothing. Yet, you are too obsessed with Irminsul to actually realize it. And don't you freaking dare to say that I didn't understand the Archon quest after I spent over a week rewatching it over and over again to come up with this video. That's simply unacceptable. Just because my theories are different than yours, you don't get to tell me that I'm basically stupid as to say "yeah ielt was great" even though I understood nothing. Who the hell do you think you are? Learn some respect already! And yes, the whole story, the whole plan was so that Neuvillette could regain his power and solve the prophecy, at least the dissolution side of it. You didn't like it? Too bad. Unless you become a writer, get hired by Hoyoverse and write the story yourself, that will only be your isolated opinion. If you want to discuss the theories, I will reply. If you keep judging my video from high up on that pedestal of yours, or even worse, if you dare to tell me again what I should have said in order for you to maybe even consider the video, I won't reply anymore. Also, why don't you just start a KZbin channel since you seem to know exactly what must be said? Then we will see how you'll feel if someone comes and tells you that your video is pointless because you didn't talk about what they wanted to hear. So, do you understand my point?

[@davidjohnson8273]

KZbin ate my reply to the "do you think I'm stupid?" stuff. It was long and apologetic as usual and I can't be bothered rewriting. super annoying when it eats your long comment. @@ShadowX5452Gaming

[@ehlannahfhey2347]

​@@ShadowX5452GamingOn a separate note...a "state of teyvat's history & lore post 4.2" as ridiculously hefty as it would be, would also be absolutely awesome 😂

[@davidjohnson8273]

Well to pick the first issue on that list... Yeah there's plenty of people in game who say the prophecy will be fulfilled or was fulfilled and plenty say the exact opposite. That's part of why it's a question of interest. So your answer is that it was fulfilled "but not completely". There's two issues with this. First is that there's really only one part of the prophecy anyone is worried about which is that everyone in Fontaine will dissolve. Well I suppose the flood is also important but very much less so than everyone dying. The second issue is that if a prophecy of evil news can skip the evil news part out and be counted as fulfilled anyway then what's the point? it's more like advice, or a warning or a guess. It's like saying "it's going to rain today - you'll get wet" and then you take an umbrella. prophecy avoided! Don't you think that's altogether too easy to make an issue out of it being any sort of prophecy? What a fuss about nothing. Nicole says it's unavoidable and then it turns out to be completely avoidable. She says maybe you could tweak it with difficulty and then they completely overturn it with ease. There's nothing clever going on then? Neuvillette gets an upgrade then he brute forces the prophecy out of existence and we're done? I'm asking if you really think that's all that was going on? @@ShadowX5452Gaming

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

@@ehlannahfhey2347 yeah, that would be a nice video to make, but not for now. I already have a massive project going on. This would be as massive... Maybe in the future XD

[@sirwillll]

Oceanid is pronounced [ oh-SEE-uh-nid ]. You know, I used to really like your videos, but every time you're making nitpicks about the pronunciation, it makes me irk. Like the "Tartaglia" or the "Khvarena". You can't even pronounce "Liyue," right. I'm unsubscribing. Thank you and good luck, bro.

[@ShadowX5452Gaming]

Bye. Just so you know, I'm Italian, so there is no chance in hell I'm going to pronounce Tartaglia the way they say it in English. As for Liyue, it's funny since there's a Chinese youtuber who literally made two videos about pronunciations, so I followed hers. But then again, bye. I don't make videos for people who care more about the correct pronunciations being used instead of the wrong ones, rather than the content and the research.