Why do we need gate Resistor to drive the MOSFET? How to select Gate resistor?

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@johnruscigno5738
@johnruscigno5738 2 жыл бұрын
The best way to protect the gate is to keep the mosfets as far away from my workshop as possible.
@TB-jl9fr
@TB-jl9fr 8 ай бұрын
They got us in the first half, not gona lie.
@DeadCat-42
@DeadCat-42 6 ай бұрын
I named my cat Mosfet so ..
@gromosawsmiay3000
@gromosawsmiay3000 2 жыл бұрын
great content, but one thing is missing examples how to choose proper resistor in real application.
@ramagirikuna1586
@ramagirikuna1586 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@arthasmenethil5752
@arthasmenethil5752 2 ай бұрын
As I understand, to prevent oscillations the minimum resistance is: Rg min(non-osc) = 2×√ Lg/Cg. (Lg = parasitic inductance, not every datasheet have it) Rg in the datasheet is pretty close to it, I think. The maximum - is a compromise inbetween the desired switching losses and VDS max of the MOSFET vs. dI\dT (the voltage surge when the FET is off). Note that the driver resistance and the MOSFET internal gate resistance are also counted. For example: IRLR120N Rg min = 2×√ 7,5nH/0,44nF = 8.2 Ohm. But these minimal 8.2 Ohm = the actual resistor + the driver resistance + the connections and PCB traces resistance + the internal MOSFET resistance.
@gromosawsmiay3000
@gromosawsmiay3000 2 ай бұрын
@@arthasmenethil5752 thanks a lot
@DasIllu
@DasIllu 2 жыл бұрын
It took me far too long to figure out what you mean by "Dyabadeety" 😀 Also, shouldn't there be another resistor to ground to decrease depletion time in the transistor?
@liam3284
@liam3284 2 жыл бұрын
dV/dt
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
You will need the resistor if there is no low side switch in the driver to discharge the input caps.
@beakytwitch7905
@beakytwitch7905 2 жыл бұрын
Try placing a ferrite bead around the gate wire to stop ringing..
@LFTRnow
@LFTRnow 2 жыл бұрын
A resistor to ground or Vdd is also wise if you want a fail-safe design. If the input to the FET gate is floating (which it is until the mosfet or driver is turned on (and running the appropriate code section), then it easily can float to turn on, partially on or off. If using a micro, it can be several ms or 100s of ms before the output pin is driven with a known state. Also, low resistor does not increase heat, fast switching does (since the average current does) and also a slowly rising and falling gate voltage will cause the fet to be in the linear (ie resistive) region too much of the time compared to the signal it is driving, that translates to efficiency losses and heat.
@subhobroto
@subhobroto Жыл бұрын
> A resistor to ground or Vdd is also wise if you want a fail-safe design. If the input to the FET gate is floating (which it is until the mosfet or driver is turned on (and running the appropriate code section), then it easily can float to turn on, partially on or off Indeed - one way this manifests itself is when the gate resistor blows, and the designer did not put in the pull down. The gate's now floating and cascading failure ensues. I have no clue why designers miss this failsafe detail
@roeloftooms
@roeloftooms 2 жыл бұрын
There is another reason. To prevent a low power driver output to be blown up. The gate capacity can draw huge peak currents to charge the gate capacity when the FET is switched on. For sure with microprocessor outputs connecting to the gate it is advisable to use a resistor.
@liam3284
@liam3284 2 жыл бұрын
There is miller effect, but also, turning on the gate too fast can trigger ringing in the inductor being switched.
@RixtronixLAB
@RixtronixLAB 2 жыл бұрын
That's right :)
@EhsanAlnazi
@EhsanAlnazi 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think, who connects the MOSFET gate directly to the MCU pin? the G should connect to the MOSFET driver. And also with the drive, the resistor should be used, not for huge current but for noise and efficiency too.
@waelfathe9909
@waelfathe9909 5 ай бұрын
In short...no resistor ..heavy load and too much paracite inductance....too large r ...slow speed smeared drive waveform and failure
@batica81
@batica81 Жыл бұрын
Definitely makes a difference having that resistor. I managed to find the value using a potentiometer and oscilloscope. Correct value drastically reduces "ringing" and makes amplified signal cleaner and stronger. I used rpi pico as a 7mhz square wave source, act244 as a mosfet driver and two parallel 12v powered bs170s as amplifiers. The resistor value varied between 220 and 370 ohms depending on mosfet load.
@subhobroto
@subhobroto Жыл бұрын
@Vojislav Great comment. Gate resistance also depends on Vds and gate lead inductance. It's also very layout specific as a result - when testing on oscilloscope, did you use PCB or breadboard?
@batica81
@batica81 Жыл бұрын
@@subhobroto I used a breadboad, and it is not a nice setup :) just proving a concept though. I expect the value to change once on a PCB, so some more experimentation and calculation will be needed.
@subhobroto
@subhobroto Жыл бұрын
@@batica81 Excited to hear - do you plan to get back to this project soon?
@RinksRides
@RinksRides 2 жыл бұрын
Good job on explanation, animation, and thank you for omitting the silly background music. I can understand you clearly.
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 2 жыл бұрын
This is important stuff that people often learn the hard way. If you have a pretty beefy mosfet, gate resistance too small; mosfet goes bang. Gate resistance too large; mosfet goes bang. In both cases, often something else goes bang, like the gate driver and possibly as far back as killing the controller before that. Things really go bang when the mosfet fails as a short and its in a H-bridge or something because then you can short your extra beefy power supply and all the magic smoke comes out.
@veerabalaji5031
@veerabalaji5031 Жыл бұрын
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@JeromeDemers
@JeromeDemers 2 жыл бұрын
I love your short content and the summarize. I would like to see real oscilloscope images Or simulation? I would assume this could be simulated if you add the other parasitic components
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching!! I will do it in future. I need to set up a lab for it.
@jagmarc
@jagmarc 2 жыл бұрын
With resistor value too small, some microcontrollers fail to convey the output logic state. The software drives a '1', sets the register latch but the output latch stays at '0'. Because 'pulled down' by the gate capacitance.
@pcrengnr1
@pcrengnr1 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for sharing, however the Miller effect has the most profound effect on switching speed. What size range of resistor are you talking about 1Ω, 10Ω, 100Ω 1KΩ. It takes amperes of current to push the output fast against the Miller capacitance. A sim or lab work would have been most helpful but you did get a click outta me.
@JLCPCB
@JLCPCB 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! 😁
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@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
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@backgammonbacon
@backgammonbacon Жыл бұрын
Please please please read the datasheet that comes with your mosfet driver before following this advice. The datasheet will nearly always tell you the prefered set up, drivers like Microchips MCP1415 specifically ask for it to share the same pad as the mosfet its driving with a diagram showing that the pins of both share the same copper fill area.
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 2 жыл бұрын
I will also often add a small value of resistance as close as possible to the output pin of the driver IC as well as at the gate. That helps soak up reactance in the circuit board trace, or, lead wire between the two devices. It can be a very low value, ~2.2-4.7 Ohms. I agree, the bulk of the total resistance should be at the MOSFET gate. An individual resistance should be used on each gate, if running several FET's in parallel.
@jasonmorgan661
@jasonmorgan661 2 жыл бұрын
I put a Resistor on my Gate and the chickens still get out. !!! So Bruh? What gives? 🤪
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
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@aydindurmus3665
@aydindurmus3665 2 жыл бұрын
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@blackarnab9287
@blackarnab9287 10 ай бұрын
Would you please show us to calculate gate resistor without mosfet driver ic and also gate pull down resistor calculation.
@waelfathe9909
@waelfathe9909 5 ай бұрын
When we change low current fet with high Current one we may. Decrease the value of gate. R. ...large current fet have large Gate capacitance withThe existing r the gate. Vdc raise Time is too large ...small r restore. The balance
@liam3284
@liam3284 2 жыл бұрын
Also beware of the inductance between driver and gate. It caught me out once before!
@oakspines7171
@oakspines7171 9 ай бұрын
It is simply the driver is driving a high impedance MOSFET input. A lot of ringing happens. A small resistor is needed to dampen this. We saw it with our circuit in the lab. Don't rememebr what it was, probably in the range of 22 to 56 or so Ohms.
@rickhunt3183
@rickhunt3183 Жыл бұрын
There's always a possibility that the MOSFET could short circuit and blow the computer being used to drive the device if there's no resistor, especially if the parts are chinesium. It's not uncommon for people to directly connect the gate directly to the output of a computer or microcontroller. A .25 cent optical isolator could be money well spent.
@Elektrotechnik-einfach
@Elektrotechnik-einfach 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Video, thumbs up! May I ask what program do you use for production of your videos (for animations etc. not cut program)?
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
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@freedomisfood6966
@freedomisfood6966 Жыл бұрын
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@Anthonylopez-rd7nr
@Anthonylopez-rd7nr 2 жыл бұрын
I did learn something new today, will treasure it for life. Nice job Thank you!
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@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
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@Electronzap
@Electronzap 2 жыл бұрын
Good tips. I'll keep them in mind when I run into a MOSFET having those problems.
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@janami-dharmam
@janami-dharmam 2 жыл бұрын
wise men shall use the largest resistor that is acceptable for your design e.g., dissipation and switching time
@herrkronen9694
@herrkronen9694 7 ай бұрын
Nice 6-minutes explanation but you never said HOW TO CALCULATE THE RESISTOR VALUE !!
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 7 ай бұрын
please check this video for calculation- kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKSkf2NvqdicaLc
@herrkronen9694
@herrkronen9694 7 ай бұрын
Nice 6-minutes explanation but you never said HOW TO CALCULATE THE RESISTOR VALUE !!
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 6 ай бұрын
The video explains, WHY you need it. For calculations you can refer to this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKSkf2NvqdicaLc
@hqiu7866
@hqiu7866 2 жыл бұрын
hi. what's the difference between 'power dissipation' and 'power loss'?
@shindepn
@shindepn Жыл бұрын
Power loss is the power (V x I) lost during switching and during steady state. The power is lost due to dynamics of Vds, ID and Rds(ON). Current flowing through the Rds(ON) value of the MOSFET causes I^2R power losses. Entire power lost is in terms of heat. For saving the MOSFET device from failing due to overheating, the power needs to be dissipated (thrown away). Power dissipation is regarding how effectively and how much, the MOSFET package is able to convey out the heat generated within the junction while the Id current is flowing. The power dissipation is entirely an ability of the MOSFET package. User can effectively dissipate (to the cooling medium - Air) the entire amount of power losses if one has effective heat sink in place. Hope this helps.
@jonshouse1
@jonshouse1 2 жыл бұрын
Voltage overshoot ? "Due to higher G I T T ?" Subtitles say "dl/dt" .. I have no idea what the actual words are ?
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the overshoot was because of stray inductance. In an inductor the current doesn't like to change suddenly so it will try to carry on pushing current, your pushing that current into a capacitor and when you do that the voltage rises. So thats why when you try to stop the current instantly it overshoots. The ringing is because the inductor will then steal that energy back from the capacitor; the reverse happens and then it flows back again, and they argue it out between them.
@jonshouse1
@jonshouse1 2 жыл бұрын
@@dr_jaymz Err ok, not sure what that reply has to do with my problem understanding the speech itself, if you make a video in English then it should be understandable by the majority of English speakers or it renders the content mute.
@jackfeak2364
@jackfeak2364 2 жыл бұрын
The subtitles are correct. I say it as "di" "dt". It means the rate of change of the current vs time. Usually expressed as amps per second.
@jrstf
@jrstf 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonshouse1 - Ages ago when I was in college, students made the same argument about teaching assistants and even professors.
@mrmilan2012
@mrmilan2012 Жыл бұрын
Excellent way to introduce any subject with graphical pattern.. 👍👍 This s the key of electronic. Thanks 🙏
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@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
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@SodAlmighty
@SodAlmighty 2 жыл бұрын
This video would be much easier to follow if your accent wasn't impenetrable. As things stand, however, it's painful to listen to.
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Apologies, if my accent is not pleasant to you
@fancillluio7544
@fancillluio7544 2 жыл бұрын
Sir, I have a mosfet: Qg=200nC and tr=100ns, it mean's in theory I just need 2A to drive it but even I use a 4A out gate driver, it still not enough....why? the frequency is too fast?
@kirillchelpanov8522
@kirillchelpanov8522 2 жыл бұрын
Probably due to Miller effect.
@Ydooo
@Ydooo 2 жыл бұрын
Mort don't touch kings feet
@JennyTheBear
@JennyTheBear 2 жыл бұрын
There negligible current flow to gate, how res will control the dv/dt of cgs
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz 2 жыл бұрын
The current flow can be huge. Because at turn on the gate capacitor is discharged, it looks like a short circuit to the gate driver. The ONLY current limit is the gate resistance.
@jagmarc
@jagmarc 2 жыл бұрын
I think you mean 'negligible DC current'? DC isn't involved
@AjayKumar-zi2oi
@AjayKumar-zi2oi 2 жыл бұрын
Hello bro I am learning so many things deeply from you So what is your name or should I call you Guru ji only 😃😃
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, just call me Foolish Engineer
@1danny2k
@1danny2k 2 жыл бұрын
To keep the dogs out
@nitinrastogi724
@nitinrastogi724 Жыл бұрын
I have to dislike this vedio because you did not explain gate resistance calculation And you explain only that things, which is normally known.
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
I am sorry if this video disappointed you, but there is no proper calculations to calculate gate resistance, at least I didn’t find it, if you find any reference please let me know
@nitinrastogi724
@nitinrastogi724 Жыл бұрын
@@FoolishEngineer Many youtubers make videos on mosfet gate resistance but do not tell about the calculation for gate resistor. I have destroyed more than 50 mosfet due to wrong resistance.
@plojm123
@plojm123 11 ай бұрын
Do the mosfets usually blow if the resistor is blown. My mosfets look good on my inverter but my resistor was blown. I didn't replace yet but wondering what else I should check
@adarshbairwa8035
@adarshbairwa8035 2 жыл бұрын
Sir why we add push and pull resistance and zener diode with MOSFET and how they works please explain..
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Please don't call me sir, I'll make a video on that too... Stay tuned!!
@adarshbairwa8035
@adarshbairwa8035 2 жыл бұрын
I emailed you but u didn't reply I have queries about power electronics
@sirajbaqavi
@sirajbaqavi 3 ай бұрын
What softwares is this
@WistrelChianti
@WistrelChianti Жыл бұрын
If I just want to turn something on... and off some minutes later. Presumably a high resistance would be fine?
@ramagirikuna1586
@ramagirikuna1586 Жыл бұрын
Sir please ...Make a video on how to select the gate resistance with mathematical example....
@kamuranpeker132
@kamuranpeker132 2 жыл бұрын
What I understand from this video is if your mosfet is damaged, increase the gate resistor. Is it true?
@КомпьютерныеСборки
@КомпьютерныеСборки 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, will be videos of others topologies? For example, half bridge LLC Resonant? If what i don't know English, so if what - sorry for my literacy. I remember already leaving this question and you and you put a like on it.
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
i'll make videos on those in future
@anditoba4096
@anditoba4096 2 жыл бұрын
Wait for gate driver transformator
@joba1560
@joba1560 2 жыл бұрын
so, now I know why my circuit will burn but not how to avoid it :( Where are the formulas for min and max R?
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
you get that in the driver or MOSFET datasheet or application note of particular driver ASIC
@elniko4852
@elniko4852 2 жыл бұрын
Думаю автор понял за что дизлайк
@Peter_Riis_DK
@Peter_Riis_DK 2 жыл бұрын
Crap.
@warunakumara7671
@warunakumara7671 2 жыл бұрын
sir can you please explain whats voltage over shoot mean in a mosfet and how to calculate the gate resistor value ,how does a high gate resistor value will increase power dissipation of a mosfet please explain
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
You can check my other videos based on MOSFETs. You'll surely get the answers
@DNAP460
@DNAP460 2 жыл бұрын
can you explain what is overshoot di dv and dt
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
already explained in previous videos, you can check those
@riperboyxl3216
@riperboyxl3216 Жыл бұрын
which driver can i use?
@absalomdraconis
@absalomdraconis 2 жыл бұрын
The subtitles are a bit messy. They have bad timings, and don't always match what's being said.
@jrstf
@jrstf 2 жыл бұрын
Not matching means he went to the extra effort to provide the subtitles rather than leaving it to KZbin to decipher the speech.
@Sekhar_Home
@Sekhar_Home 2 жыл бұрын
Thats it i wanted
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@afonsomanuel1585
@afonsomanuel1585 11 ай бұрын
What a great job.
@mohamedsadam6062
@mohamedsadam6062 2 жыл бұрын
do u have any book recomendation on learning electrical engenering.. i m guy without any degree but have some idea on how things work
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
you can read datasheets & application notes for practical applications. But for basics you can use 'Electronic principles by ALBERT MALVINO'
@us2393
@us2393 Жыл бұрын
thank you!
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@davidgillies620
@davidgillies620 2 жыл бұрын
It's often also a good idea to put a large resistor (1M for example) from the driver output to ground to remove capacitative coupling.
@liam3284
@liam3284 2 жыл бұрын
1Mohm? how slow you want to switch?!
@dragoscucu3128
@dragoscucu3128 Жыл бұрын
1M is too high, usually it's recommended between 10K and 100K. The gate source resistor is required when the MOSFET gate is driven by a microcontroller that can be in sleep state that will put all GPIO pins to high impedance state
@brainwater
@brainwater 11 ай бұрын
​@@dragoscucu3128making a circuit to drive a solenoid valve with up to 1 amp at 12 V (followed by pwm to keep the valve open with very little power), I discovered the logic level mosfet could remain high for minutes after disconnecting when messing with it, so I added a 100k resistor to ground in the circuit. I didn't know you're supposed to put a resistor between the controller and the gate as well.
@chuledeco
@chuledeco 7 ай бұрын
@brainwater I think it depends on the driver's topology. If it is push-pull, you should turn the MOSFET off, but if it is open-collector the MOSFET gate capacitor will not discharge, then you need the resistor to GND. IMHO, it is better to put it from gate to GND instead of driver output to GND
@ronaldronald8819
@ronaldronald8819 Жыл бұрын
Hi, your explanations are clear en helpful. Thanks.
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@iontesu2911
@iontesu2911 2 жыл бұрын
Informative video. Can one drive the gate with a current source instead of resistor?
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
No. MOSFET is a voltage controlled device
@vencdee
@vencdee 2 жыл бұрын
Well, what's the best circuit solution to overcome these limititations ?
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
Using proper resistor is the solution
@EasyOne
@EasyOne 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video
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@rathinavelp6607
@rathinavelp6607 Жыл бұрын
But how do I calculate the gate resistance value
@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
You don't need to calculate. The value depends on the driver. You can check the application circuit of any driver. you might get the resistor value there
@RixtronixLAB
@RixtronixLAB 2 жыл бұрын
Nice info, thanks :)
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@blibeesh6018
@blibeesh6018 2 жыл бұрын
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@FoolishEngineer 2 жыл бұрын
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@tyronearendse1722
@tyronearendse1722 2 жыл бұрын
Hi friend thanks for the informative video
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@tyronearendse1722
@tyronearendse1722 2 жыл бұрын
@@FoolishEngineer I did thanks
@ruwanpremashantha428
@ruwanpremashantha428 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best video series about mosfet. Also very interesting.
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@paulmillard1130
@paulmillard1130 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video on a subject I'm interested in. Clear and easily understood .
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@rameshwarshelke4633
@rameshwarshelke4633 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice 👍
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@vasilespirea8375
@vasilespirea8375 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of useless video ever i see !! 6 minute totally lost !!!
@jrstf
@jrstf 2 жыл бұрын
I learned that gate ringing can be a problem, though I don't believe it, but that's only because I need a second opinion, or even better, oscilloscope traces. Of course, I learned very little on how to mitigate the problem.
@craigrotay3732
@craigrotay3732 2 жыл бұрын
No algorithm was given to indicate the best compromise value. In fact, I don't think there was any starting value suggested for the series gate resistance. Also a shunt gate resistance can help mitigate some performances....
@rofiamrullahakisa8289
@rofiamrullahakisa8289 2 жыл бұрын
how can i determine the resistor value on gate mosfet ? can you tell me , because its important to me to know it. thankssss
@waytospergtherebro
@waytospergtherebro 2 жыл бұрын
You need an English class more than you need a resistor.
@jrstf
@jrstf 2 жыл бұрын
Give him credit for providing closed captioning should you click the CC.
@paulanthonybridge5741
@paulanthonybridge5741 Жыл бұрын
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@fickgooglefickthem6884
@fickgooglefickthem6884 Жыл бұрын
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@FoolishEngineer
@FoolishEngineer Жыл бұрын
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