Football, A Different Way: German Fan Activism

German supporters show that far more powerful forces can be defeated, or at least held at bay, through solidarity, organisation and just sheer numbers. 2018 was a good year for German supporter activism. But next year they will have to do this all over again. Because power and money never sleeps.
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[@lucaskirkham8662]

Germany may not have the same level of star power as la liga or the EPL, but it's become my favorite league by a good distance because the passion from the supporters is unmatched. Last year after saving for a few years I had the opportunity to watch a game at signal iduna park (i'm american) and it was unbelievable! I wasn't even a dortmund fan and I had chills at how electric the crowd was (against stuttgart, not even bayern or schalke). Cheers to hoping the activism continues to work and German football stays as passionate and fan driven as it is now!

[@fedefox8]

You should come to South America, specially Uruguay and Argentina.

[@TheKurtkapan34]

+Fede, that's not electric, that's murderous.

[@yaboijoshua9360]

@@fedefox8 Uruguay is a two horse race for the title every year.

[@YeeSoest]

Awesome, dude!!! I live 500m from the Stadium, you picked the right place to go !

[@fedefox8]

@@yaboijoshua9360 And your point is? Show me a winner outside Bayern and Borussia. Real and Barca, Liverpool or City, Celtic or Rangers, Juventus and Juventus, PSG and PSG.

[@antoinedoinell]

Football is nothing without the fans. Germans know.

[@sertusdionyol]

Just saying: "Football how it's meant to be"

[@finnb2318]

Sadly, a dying breed.

[@BizzyIzzy87]

A league dominated by one team every year? The one who strips any good player from other teams? Yeah real football 👌

[@ehiyahasgotabenthairline2586]

@@BizzyIzzy87 fans are more important in the bundesliga. 50plus1 rule is the best.

[@ankitpatnaik1160]

Excellent content Beautifully organised Never fails to satisfy

[@Wille-ti4vy]

My country Sweden also has the same rule (51%). Ticket prices for the standing sections is cheap and that creates a very good atmosphere, especially at derbys and at the same time being very well organised. The rule also obviously means that a single owner or company can’t buy a club totally. The supporters here are very passionate about retaining the rule. And yes, whilst the league may never be a competetor for the top 5 leagues, it focusoses heavily on the supporters and what is football without true local supporters?

[@zakwan10]

Visited Stockholm a couple of years ago and managed to get a ticket to the Hammarby vs Djurgardens match, an absolute mad house, yes it will never be EPL or La Liga but who cares, it doesnt have to be, just the passion in the stands was worth the ticket price.

[@Wille-ti4vy]

zakwan10 Oh Nice in fact those teams are the rivals to my team (AIK), but i have to say i agree 100% with you. Football is nothing without true supporters

[@sondrejohansen48]

WRchamp10 I hate you guys! I am also from Stockholm but I am with GÖTEBORG. It’s sad but ever since we sold many of youths like Pontus in 2017,we suck! I mean the whole season was so horrible, we played so bad! Lost most of the matches and 2 years back we were amongst Malmö and AIK but now? We barely survived relegation! I hate it tbh

[@udayrathod3786]

Bundesliga Facebook page has the best admin compared to all leagues.

[@gurung1812]

KZbin admin is the best

[@jamesportoraro8248]

@@gurung1812 Those commentators... Simply amazing

[@timmycamilleri.4643]

same for german clubs on twitter

[@user-jw3us7dy6f]

Adminho is the best

[@zawadulhoque4511]

adminho

[@Kweyah]

I'd like to say that I really enjoy your videos Tifo Football, I'm sure they take a while to make and edit and I really appreciate the hard work, keep grinding

[@olewiemers2344]

I sometimes have the feeling that Premier League fans don't really know that german clubs can't spend so much money. At the end of the season the last one in the Premier League gets more money than Bayern as first place in the bundesliga. I'm a Bremen fan and I'm happy when my club is able to do a 5million transfer!! That is lower championship level in terms of money. On the other hand there are Prem clubs which spend 40 million for players who barely play. The Prem is losing it's identity because they only buy complete foreign stars.

[@DerAbomensch]

Sugar Cane Habt ihr nicht 12 Millionen (oder mehr) für Klaassen ausgegeben?🤔 Aber ich verstehe was du meinst, solange man nicht BVB oder FCB ist, wirds bei zweistelligen Summen schon schmerzhaft, während man in England 25 Millionen für Yarmolenko bezahlt

[@olewiemers2344]

@@DerAbomensch Stimmt schon aber für Klaassen haben wir einmal sehr tief in die Tasche gegriffen. Das entspricht nicht der Normalität. Sonst geben wir aber nie zweistellig für einen Spieler aus deswegen wäre das irreführend wenn ich das anders geschrieben hätte.

[@DerAbomensch]

Vllt liegt das auch daran dass ich Hannover Fan bin, aber eure Mannschaft ist ja allein schon namhaft stark (in der ganzen Bundesliga). Ich dachte daher immer dass Bremen sowieso etwas finanzstärker ist als jetzt beispielsweise H96, Fortuna, Freiburg, Mainz, Augsburg

[@olewiemers2344]

@@DerAbomensch Ich glaub Bremen ist finanziell mit den genannten Vereinen auf einer Wellenlänge gewesen, aber durch die guten Transfers haben wir halt sehr viel Profit gemacht. Delaney zum Beispiel war ein absolutes Meisterwerk genauso wie Pavlenka und Augustinsson. Die kannte kaum einer und die wurden für wenig geholt. Delaney alleine hat ja schon 18 Mio. Profit gemacht. Augustinsson gehört zu den besseren Linksverteidigern in der Bundesliga und Pavlenka ist für mich der beste Torwart der Bundesliga momentan. Maxi Eggestein hat sich auch zur absoluten Stammkraft entwickelt und für den haben wir gar nichts bezahlt. Der Faktor der alles so gut macht ist für mich Kohfeldt weil wir durch ihn ansehlichen Fußball spielen und dabei die Ergebnisse nicht vernachlässigen.

[@ktkee7161]

"The Prem is losing its identity because they only buy complete foreign stars." You'd get called racist if you said that in Britain. On the upside, while we buy your overpriced players, you get our good young players who can't get a game in England because we buy your overpriced players.

[@MortimerRictusgrin]

Now I want a "Püffen" cigarette.

[@AbhishekMishra-ul2bq]

No wonder why German football is so successful with 4 world cups and 3 Euros.....The most successful team in Europe and one of the very best in world football surprassing many great football teams that's why I'm a fan of German football since decades now....❤

[@dahabaufnacken960]

Hey I think I've seen you under a different video :D

[@AbhishekMishra-ul2bq]

@@dahabaufnacken960 I'm quiet frequent in this page

[@sayanchatterjee355]

The most consistently successful nation in world football, even ahead of Brazil. Germany is like Batman. They know courage, hard work, tactical planning, unity and consistency can always beat pure talent and skill. Lol.

[@josephwamulume323]

If only fans in England could follow suit...

[@darthpenguin3320]

Plenty of tourists to take our place

[@glitch42]

Or it could be a way to get international fans more invested in the club. Treat us as full members and work with us to show muscle

[@young321bookie]

@@darthpenguin3320 - You say that Mr Penguin, but we don't actually know that for sure as English football fans have never actually shown the balls and boycotted matches by the tens of thousands. We might see it with Newcastle this year.

[@tombodoh]

I think it's a great idea to stop following English football

[@hamhobo123412]

@@young321bookie You'll only see us kick up a tizzy once Rafa leaves, but it's 2019 so you're right.

[@mfundo517]

Here in the midst of the Super league scandal. Funny how they wanted to abolish the 50+1 structure, when EPL fans are calling for it to be introduced in England.

[@matthiaswestphal1086]

Well, I think the voices of these who whanted to abolish 50 plus 1 are quiet now. We have seen what happened in England and Italy, so its not dumb to keeping it. But the other side is, that the english fans seem to woke up now. I think the EPL is still the most attractive league in europe, but there are few things that gone in a wrong direction. More business, less football for the fans. But I always thought that the importance of football and the way it is lived by the fans in England is very similar to us in Germany. And now, if I see the fans from LFC and ManU and so on, stand up and dont take all of this anymore, it is really impressive. But I still wonder what is going on in Spain and Italy? Italy foremost with its huge amount on organized ultra groups?

[@hernan5940]

I lived in London for many years, became a Tottenham fan in my period there I went to the stadium 3 or 4 times. In Germany I was at a Bundesliga game on my first weekend and I lost count how many times I went to a game

[@silo1265]

I see Europe is already getting ready to boycott the super league

[@Harry-nn1dy]

Apparently it's not happening, thankfully.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

@@Harry-nn1dy I would never support a team that entered it if it happened, it shows they have even stopped pretending to care about their fans.

[@Harry-nn1dy]

Exactly.

[@proaaron578]

@@Harry-nn1dy This aged well huh

[@prajjwaltripathi8468]

@@Harry-nn1dy where are you man?

[@sayanbagchi5483]

Power and Money Never Sleeps... That sums the football ownership scenario in all major leagues across the globe...

[@StreetSoulLover]

I'm off to Germany next month to watch Dortmund vs Leverkusen - It was cheaper to do so than go down to London and watch Chelsea away....

[@JonathanRodriguez-nz9nw]

Quality content, as a Liga MX fan, i never knew about this. I assumed the big European leagues all had investors

[@iamheretopleaseyou]

what I like about the Bundesliga is that it still seems to be pretty "authentic" meaning that (ok Bayern excluded) all the teams seem to have a period of success (top 3 or very near) and decline when they are near or in the bottom 3 this makes the league interesting to watch and much more reliable on cultivating the "normal" players and making them push for better and better performance because each such a "normal" player turning into a "top" player or at least a gamechanger can mean you are gonna battle for the Europa league or even Champions league depends just on how many such player transformations you will be able to make this also allows teams to continuously introduce young players to the team pushing for them to become the next "top" players and hence securing for the team place in the top 7 (or similar) when also in the same time this gives a big chance for the players from leagues that f.e. Premier league has no interest in f.e. Poland, Czech, Slovak, Swiss, Austrian etc. because in Germany since the clubs do not have 40mils to spend on one player they try their luck with cheaper yet promising players from such countries giving them a change to prove themselves on this level and probably become top players and move to PL or elsewhere - this was not mentioned in the video and I believe is a for a lot of football fans from those countries a national team savior anyways a great video I only can wish the articles on BBC or other websites (not even starting on those from my country - Czech Republic) would be so informative and good to read as this video

[@beirch]

"German supporters show that powerful forces can be defeated or at least held at bay by solidarity, organisation, and numbers." And English supporters showed that yesterday. Historic.

[@YujiroHanmaaaa]

Respect from Germany. I always thought english fans lost alot of powers but the last days i got proved wrong

[@IDontCare-mo1tp]

Shout out the the £3,500.99 Plymouth argyle ticket. I guess it’s that dear in 2021 because of the quality of football the mighty greens will be playing then.. 😂✌🏻️

[@alejandromiranda5671]

i love football for the game and the energy, money will kill that one day as money is draining all of that out of the sport

[@greggyp8265]

we've always got the bundesliga

[@karolusp.9741]

All that is solid melts into air

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Yeah as much as I don't want to admit that it's most likely true. Football doesn't lack in competition that much and isn't in a sponsorship crisis but it's more about who earns more money than the others which can become an issue.

[@hopepunk6847]

Same with all good things in arts and sciences, too - as in sports, and so much other in society, too. Well... let's kill money first, then!

[@andriadipura6393]

USA: "Hmmm..., seems like Bundesliga needs some freedom and democracy"

[@ls1883]

Those animations are an absolute delight. That last transition was so clean. Channel gets better and better.

[@Tifo]

Thanks Luke! - Joe

[@whufc-essex]

Working class prices, safe-standing and pints in ground ❤

[@olaleyeonikuyide7541]

Anyone here after the demise of the European Shambles League?

[@theplymouthargylefan7209]

0:38 is that an ARGYLE ticket??? The video just got even better

[@omarnassar5184]

Here after ESL failed.

[@Aldoz]

My club in Norway is adding standing sections in its new stadium aswell, will hopefully make more people join, right now the supporter group is small, despite being right next to the capital (highly populated to be a small country)

[@Drinkwater.]

Do a video on how I can change my passport to German

[@artur297]

well, i can tell you that usually you would have to live here for at least 8 years and be gainfully employed for most of that time before you could hope that an application for citizenship would have chances for success. so judging by the current trajectory, you have plenty of time before brexit comes about.

[@nawwk79]

Martin Kind wants to abolish 50+1 because of his own personal selfish financial interest.

[@I4k_au]

No other channel would have explained it so perfect in 8 minutes, love you guys

[@claptonandchill4367]

Premier league tickets are completely out of hand. And when you have owners like arsenal do its all an insult to the fans. Dortmund seem to have it right

[@markojurisic1680]

Beer in stadium,standing tickets,atmosphere,best football in the world

[@maravillabxr]

Could you do a video on the structure on Borrisia Dortmund? Their transfer model and organisation is outstanding - would love to learn more

[@nickk8836]

German fans are incredible, their passion and love for the game is like no other

[@tigerking8413]

That’s it your videos are so good I don’t even follow football (I’ve only watched one full football match in my life during World Cup) and I’m signing up as a member.

[@Tifo]

Thanks Marcel! That'd be awesome. - Joe

[@thztan7492]

Great video & thx for the German fans for battle it so much👍

[@Stego1819]

They are battling it too much honestly. They only battle for their interests and not for the interests of the majority of the fans. And their criticism of the DFB is becoming ridicoulus nowadays. They arent even ready to make a compromise.

[@muhammadbakr3023]

This channel is so underrated, inspiring content.

[@h3nder]

Bundesliga clubs and games are always better than any other league.

[@primeiro-dia-resto-tua-vida]

"Because power and money never sleeps" - another brilliant video guys. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Portugal

[@oneOne-lb2kj]

Edit: ENGLISH FANS WAKE UP LIKE THE GERMANS! HOLD YOUR OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE!

[@stenstensson304]

Can you make a video about the meteoric rise of Robin Jansson? He was playing for a team from the middle of nowhere in the lower tiers of Swedish football 12 months ago, and has now earned a call up to the Swedish national team after his performances during AIK’s title win. AIK, through injuries, found themselves lacking defenders at the start of the season and had played Robin Jansson’s team in the cup, and signed him, and he scored the winner in the last game of the season that won them the league.

[@octopus8420]

As always: you did a great job covering the issue. I wouldn't say that if I wasn't knowledgeable about the topic myself.

[@DarkFriday1408]

Would it be possible to make a video about Vfl Wolfsburg? They are owned by a subsidiary that is wholly owned by Volkswagen Group, but they haven't faced, at least to my knowledge, the animosity that has been directed towards Red Bull Leipzig. And if possible, could you also explain how come Volkswagen hasn't poured more money into the football team, like Red Bull has done with their football teams? I mean, Volkswagen is bigger and richer then Red Bull and they could turn Vfl Wolfsburg into a powerful team, if they wanted to; although that might be the reason why they haven't faced the animosity that Red Bull Leipzig has faced. And as always, great content! Keep up the good work.

[@81Point2]

I love how much Germans care about their league.

[@cassianosobrinho]

Excellent video. Following the German fan activism, you could do a video about FC Sankt Pauli.

[@paologastaldello4754]

Can you do a Tactics Explained of Atalanta B.C. They are doing very well this season.

[@nachiketdidolkar8833]

I don't earn buddy otherwise I would've bought ur membership. I just love ur content. Keep it up and keep us amazed. Love from India♥️♥️

[@utkarshverma6481]

Hi

[@SGEJonah]

Good explained and I hope for the next 10-20 years the Bundesliga is the same as today because I dont want it to be like in England especially for the newcoming generation. I see young people enter the stands for their first time and its just unique, the atmosphere in some Bundesliga stadiums are incredible especially when it comes to Derby or just a big match. For me as an Eintracht Frankfurt supporter, this means everything. Our next monday match is at Düsseldorf in march and I dont think that i can make it although Düsseldorf is a great place for an away match especially because of the powerful and emotional supporters on both sides.

[@odin3066]

I think its ironic how football is an english sport yet the germans seem to love it more than the english themselves

[@eksortso]

From an outsider's perspective, it seems that English football's supporter strength is an emerging phenomenon at the grassroots level. I'm from the USA but I've heard of FC United of Manchester and AFC Wimbledon, and I keep tabs on the former.

[@ratsackattack4373]

This is the best channel ever!

[@MAZaini93]

Amazing actions by the German supporters. I wish we could do the same in England. I wouldn’t even know where to start.

[@AfnanStudio_]

Got recommended after the European Super League debacle.

[@kohchungwei]

PoV: you're here after the latest Tifo post

[@StriderDSC]

Also they have rules that don't allow clubs to operate on extreme debt/losses, like most, if not all other clubs in the EPL or La Liga do, so that's another plus. The Bundesliga is in a great spot, all their teams need to do is start getting results in Europe (outside of Bayern/Dortmund) and more money will be flowing in. They already broadcast a decent number of games on Fox Sports here in the US.

[@sidharthwarrier9001]

Thank God for Germany .

[@stulchmulch227]

It’s actually a two sided coin. We all like that our beloved Bundesliga remains Supporter Friendly but we seem to fall back compared to other leagues. We can’t afford a 50 Million Transfer of a mediocre player nor even a good player. And many talents that have their breakout here, leave eventually to go to England or Spain etc. Well at least I can afford a ticket for the game

[@lordhiguain7800]

4-5 years later Bundesliga clubs will probably depend on young talents to compete in Europe. It'll be hard for them to buy any superstars from other leagues.

[@william_8844]

The level of research great as usual

[@alexapostolides244]

You guys should do a video on your research process. It goes without saying that your videos are interesting, but the level of detail you uncover, touch on and break down can't be just from Google or someone's memory. I can't be the first person to ask this & I hope I'm not missing something that you've put out previously that goes over this but I figured I'd mention it just in case. Great videos guys & keep up the good work! Cheers from the States.

[@rahmathkakkotkallery854]

I had a debate on why the house should regret increasing advertisement in sports. And now you guys releasing this video after i lost the debate

[@TrashMetal1995]

I had to chuckle at 2:43: "generisch" is a correct translation of generic, but it would sound very odd if used in an example like this, in German we would rather say "FC Durchschnitt" or FC average, to create an example.

[@quintonsibisi389]

Hey Tifo, could you, if don't already, leave a Soundcloud link to the songs in your videos, really jammy!👌

[@ramirorybczuk9100]

"Pro 50+1 banners and tifos appeared in the terraces" Ron Howard: Hey, that's the name of the page!

[@thangrobin2858]

Beautifully done!

[@BizzyIzzy87]

Never have I seen so many fans of a league who are so happy to keep enforcing a league dominated by one team year in year our.

[@alfredthethird9138]

Anyone else watching after the super league fallout??

[@SeanConway99]

The reason that you can't smoke in English stadiums is the prominent feature of wood in either the structure of designs of the stands. Notably, Margaret Thatcher's arguable only positive action was banning smoking as a result of the valley parade fire

[@johnnysubl.2718]

Amazing video, great content. Keep up the good work. P.S.: Will you do any of those traveling game vlogs you did in the past?

[@bananarama3624]

How not even your most popular video has not been seen by 1 million people, I will never know...

[@nats2976]

The reality is culturally the German are use to working as a collective and naturally defend the little guy. We do not have that culture anymore in the UK, capitism is the foundation of our culture. Always interesting content. Happy New year 🎉

[@ktkee7161]

That's true. It's a bit more complex than they portray, because German culture is very different.

[@flatearthfatboy9589]

Informative as usual

[@123MetalManiac123]

I very much respect the research you did and the result you are presenting, which I believe exceeds even your high standards. However I would like to note that I believe you over-romanticize the relation between German fans and officials, as well as the impact of, or what you actually determine as the German supporters. As you have correctly stated, RB Leipzig, effectively a Red Bull Marketing product with which I believe to be seven officiall 'Vereinsmitglieder' (Club members, whereas "Verein" is a very important, community-oriented form of personal union in Germany, differing for example from the "AG" (eg. FC Bayern München AG, the FC Bayern Munich you all know) which is profit-oriented), sneaked it's way to the top of the Bundesliga. The Red Bull Clubs also effectively unginged rules and checks of the UEFA for player transfer (RB Salzburg serving as an "academy team" to RB Leipzig, giving and taking players without the rules of the free market). But allow me to keep my focus on Germany. Additionally to the RB scandal, which is what I will call a company buying themselves into the highest German football league with officials just watching, the relation between German supporters and the DFB (German football association)/DFL (German football league association) is at a significant low at the moment. Monday night games, which I seriously doubt the DFB will keep their word and abolish, the failed negotiations about the use of pyrotechnics, the distribution of TV rights and the fact that the radical "Ultra" groups see themselves as the only "true" fans and representers of German football supporters, making negotiations and the rise of moderate fan groups almost impossible, have hardened the borders between fans and officials to a point where investors seem like the easier and more attractive dialogue partners for the DFB. Additionally, the corruption scandal, which had no consequences at all amongst the DFB officials, has not only weakened the trust put into the association by the fans, but also gives reason to believe that a little cash still opens doors in German football, an accusation enforced by the unreasonably and uncomarably high support from the DFB towards RB Leipzig, the only company-led club in the Bundesliga. Resulting from this statement, I would like to point out that, firstly, the differenctiation between the silent majority of German football supporters and the loud minority of the Ultra groups would, in my opinion, have been a very important point towards the topic of your video, and secondly, that the strong resistance of German football supporters against commercialization of the German Bundesliga is displayed by you in an overly positive way, not respecting the acute dangers we face here at the moment sufficiently, as I see it, that is. I would most politely suggest looking into this topic for another video. Salutations, Angelo Güntlisberger, German football supporter

[@ktkee7161]

What corruption scandal? The bribery to get the world cup, the Uli Hoeness one, the VAR one, the Ozil one, or another one?

[@123MetalManiac123]

@@ktkee7161 as my predecessor in the comments has already pointed out, most of these would, in my view, not classify as a corruption scandal. I am in fact referring to the WC corruption scandal, which is pretty relevant at the moment, in contrast to the Hoizer scandal, the other large scandal in latest German football history, which is considered dealt with.

[@arnoboy96]

Germany doing it the right way, as per usual

[@Telcontar1962]

Said this for decades. Fans are their own worst enemy in this country to the point where its really hard to call them "fans" at all, they are at best mildly interested bystanders.

[@bruhstoise]

The whole world just did the same thing to the super league.

[@sergeantawesome8959]

HOLY SHIT TIFO MENTIONED MY LOCAL TEAM ARGYLE

[@nicegan8902]

German football in the 1960's sounds very similar to the structure of Australian Rules Football until the Victorian League started turning itself into a national competition in 1980's.

[@francisa7567]

I love how we’re all back here after the super league drama to see if this will actually work

[@luckyluke1076]

Pls make a video about either: - Number of talents (great players) from ex-Yugoslavia area or - what if Yugoslavia reunite (National team) pls consider this. Thank you from Belgrade, Serbia 🙏

[@akshitjain2906]

Can you do a video on the hillsborough disaster

[@akshitjain2906]

Suggest some

[@juliansmith4295]

"Germany is a vast country, and travel to away games can take a long time." Oh Europe, you're so quaint. However, an all round great video. I loved the £3,500.99 ticket at Home Park for a match against Fleetwood.

[@MisterSpinalzo]

600km is quite a trip when you have to show up at work at 9 the following day

[@alexiovich4952]

Things to introduce for the English game: £20 ticket price cap. Longer deadline for fixture changes. Safe standing. Being allowed to smoke and drink in the stadium. No Saturday 19:45, No Thursday night football or 12:00 kickoffs. Limit for the amount of midweek games one team can have in a season in the league. Stop players from grabbing the ball with their hands when they go down before the referee blows his whistle. Enforce the 6 second goalkeeper rule. Harsher diving punishments. Revision of the handball rule because it’s getting out of hand how loosely the handball rule is used. FA cup semi final not at Wembley. English football team to go around the country not just Wembley.

[@kidpagronprimsank05]

Standing stand might be difficult due to Taylor report and required changing laws.

[@alexandruciripan2781]

Do you think your clubs bilionaires will allow that?😂 THEY WANT MONEY AND DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU (fans)

[@ballislife9924]

As a German I can say that more and more fans are in favor of abolishing 50+1 and I can see why. We are not as strong internationally as we used to be (well this season we are) and a lot of people fear to fall behind the Premier League and La liga because we just can't keep up with all the money that is spent over there. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the 50+ rule is abolished as much as I don't want to admit it.

[@FirebrandAL]

Yeah I'm kind of in a similar boat. I like 50 +1, and a part of me likes that. A part of me sees Germany turning into a bunch of farm teams for richer leagues + Bayern (occasionally Dortmund). And what I don't want to see is something where we saw in say - Holland, where the league just gets left behind. I think as much as there's a responsibility for fans to maintain and preserve fan culture, there's also an obligation on our part to keep German football all the forefront. It's a delicate balance. I'm all for taking a long, hard look at 50 +1 and seeing where modifications can be made to allow investment to a point; but i'm also extraordinarily wary of private ownership groups. We did that dance here in the states and you go to an NFL game now and it's literally all hospitality sweets, advertising and just about everything but what's happening on the field. Ditto for all the major sports, really. I'm a big believer that when you let it the money guys in the door, there's no turning back and eventually - they're going to to find ways to take it all for themselves. So i'm really stuck.

[@ktkee7161]

Bad idea. English football is owned mainly by a load of foreign (& local) crooks whose main concern is fleecing the fans. They don't care about local football. Germany has had the best European national team for 50 years, has competitive club sides as well as the best fan experience. Trade that in for what? How well have English clubs done in Europe since the start of the PL? (Clue, crap).

[@vaiyt]

What's the point of seeing your team winning championships if you can't afford to go to the fucking stadium?

[@OLBastholm]

The problem is that most clubs will inevitably be bought out by foreign billionaires who will try to ruin real football. That's what always happens.

[@AnirbanNagDev]

Please create videos for Asian cup 2019 like you guys did for World cup. Analysis of every group and team players.

[@remchelseateam6026]

They have it all good but one big big thing is missing multiple league winners.

[@TheLethalGuy]

Although 50+1 is great for the fans, it’s really damaging the quality of the clubs on the pitch. When a foreign club offers a German club a lot of money for a player, they can’t help but take the money cause they can’t get much anywhere else. So all these clubs that could be serious European contenders end up selling their best players and fail in Europe. The regulations involving 50+1 need to be changed to help Bundesliga clubs contend in Europe, while preserving stuff like ticket prices and what have you

[@maestro3138]

That's only a problem with if you rate success over everything else. My club being sold out to some chinese investor would mean that it isn't my club anymore. Why would I care about the success of a club that isn't mine?

[@chikedonaldibewuike4867]

Just got recommended this by KZbin... Seems Tifo saw the future considering the ESL episode in recent times. Just outrightly disgraceful.

[@wynchester25]

This video aged so fine like wine

[@snuffmeister6720]

numbers organisation solidarity

[@Sam-lr9oi]

Well by golly, that sounds like unionizing! Good for them. The revolutionary spirit is alive and well. Solidarity to good football and all unions.

[@flattedfifth447]

Incredible piece!

[@JimmyWhiffler]

Solidarity forever!

[@franciemitchell588]

This needs to happen in england

[@billykuan]

You can see the owners were trying to be in position to jump to a new league. No 50+1 they are in the farce league.

[@johncarpo4]

Come for the football, stay for the smooth jazz.

[@BakedPotatoFiend]

Great video and very interesting but The Isle of Man isn't part of England

[@darthpenguin3320]

And bar two weeks of the year no 1 gives a shit about I.o.m

[@conorwells9129]

Could you do a video about Safe Standing and the govt reviewing of the all seater policy. Im hearing a decision on whether the policy will change is going to be made sometime this month.

[@Rekuzza_23]

I doubt the Monday games were abolished because of the fan protests. Rather because of the upcoming third European league (next to Champions and Europa League).

[@alfiebettell]

Up the green army 💚 we are massive