'Cost them the game': How Fagan outcoached Scott in EPIC win & Cats costly call - Sunday Footy Show

[@Tosicc567]

Big O is genuinely one of the great players atm, dominates in the ruck, does all the in and under stuff. Puts his body on the line constantly, throws himself at everything, runs nearly the full game out every time. Genuine gun atm

[@kymcha]

Yes, I have criticised the Big O a lot but it is clear I don't 100% understand the difficulties of rucking. The Lions would have asked him what he thought about returning to the game after the shoulder was put back - that took absolute courage. I also really admire Ryan Lester who was in / out of the side a few years ago and subject to unrelenting ridicule when he did play. One wouldn't dream of leaving him out of the side these days.

[@hakai1488]

@@kymcha Darcy Gardiner, Grant Burchal, Daniel Rich, Harris Andrews and Ryan Lester was too slow as a defense especially against ground ball teams like Richmond 3 years ago. Now Lester can shine more without a very slow back half

[@Tosicc567]

@@kymcha Big o had an issue with grabbing it out of the ruck and just slamming it on his boot. Now he goes in and under to handball it out to a neale, clug or ashcroft. His ruckcraft his second to none atm. The defence with Lester moving better than ever, Starce running really well too and Answerth has been the exact small defender they've needed through this finals. Answerth is a tackling beast and surprisingly good inside mid when he needs to be and a great runner.

[@kanyay3537]

Nath's wrong with this one definitely. McCluggage hit his head on the ground and just chose to get up quick because it's a prelim final and just staying on down on ground would just let geelong set up. Can't possibly say he deserves a fine for that, that is pretty poor by Browny

[@semaj9051]

I love Mccluggage he’s an absolute gun but he knows how to milk a free like that. He did it again later on

[@chrisschneiders6734]

In that moment brown is a total idiot, a talking head that can't stop..staging a tackle, especially with dangerfield..the guys a tough nut, both are tough in my eyes. Some times these commentators just talk sh.t because they can and still get paid.

[@chrisschneiders6734]

​@semaj9051 really , when both arms are rapt up and dangers coming like a freight train. If your mind works in milliseconds maybe.

[@mewimagine5920]

He's so far removed from how McClugagge might have experienced it - a complete inability to put himself in his shoes. It's as if he were arguing that the criteria for grabbing your head after its hit the deck is only valid if you've got a concussion to protect the player who caused it. He's delusional here.

[@SkandiaAUS]

My first instinct when I saw it was free kick. But what kind of boring game do we want to discuss umpiring after a game like that.

[@tb7667]

You just know Cornes is going to go super hard on Fagan's coaching all week just to troll David King.

[@imalwaysright]

Kane’s also been critical of Fages. Is he jumping on the Fagan bandwagon now?

[@mattr1563]

And will he go hard on Kenny’s coaching? Or Port Adelaide’s forwards coach?

[@brendanh8193]

​@@mattr1563That is the real question!

[@TDB2509]

@@mattr1563 Port's list is the worst out of the top 8 tbh. Ken got everything he could have out of that team

[@fixxxer7030]

@@TDB2509 I remember when I watched my first year of AFL

[@mikehansell7262]

You reckon he didn’t hit his head Brownie? What are you looking at?

[@petemikedennis]

Great win for the lions, afl media tries to run as many negative angles as they can. For good measure - zorko had 25 kicks alone which was more than any of the geelong players disposals in total. why wasn't chris scott criticised for not negating him more?

[@spiro190]

I agree that media is to negative, however in this case Zorko did have a terrible first half and turned the ball over 7 times for 3 goals. Zorko turning it around in the second half was a big reason of them winning. So definitely news worthy.

[@telltellyn]

Cats wasted too many simple chances.

[@RobKieranz]

It was almost unbelievable

[@hardto994]

So did lions

[@franki2085]

Thank's captain obvious. Great observation, you should be an analyst

[@jeremybourke1301]

@@franki2085well they are blaming coaching, so it is a different viewpoint

[@Sbock86]

I mean, they kicked some miracle goals to make up for the misses.

[@bloodshot3697]

Lets get one thing clear, McCluggage had no control over the tackle of where his head was gong to land when he was slung. That is a free kick every day of the week, no matter if he gets up quick or not. And if the tribunal is consistent it is a suspension but they wont because its a Victorian side that already lost and its Dangerfield, protected by the system and they already acknowledged if they won he would not be suspended before a Grand Final. Like what does that have to do with it. If he had a Brisbane jumper he gets rubbed out. Double standards.

[@smileyfacefrown2723]

Always has been and always will be a double standard.

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Yes good call.

[@neilpemberton5523]

5:59 Chris Fagan's point about the Lions' preparation being more ideal than the Cats' is very good. Having a week off for all eight finals teams gives the winners of the qualifying finals two breaks in three weeks. Thats potentially too much rest and a subsequent slip in match hardness. By the way, I'm a Brisbane fan, so this isn't sour grapes. And don't get me wrong, I'm delighted we could take advantage of a loophole that helped us win. I just feel Geelong was unfortunate to have two soft wins and two breaks in a month. But then again, the Lions were 44 points down against GWS and won. Maybe it was just our year. Geelong won it only two years ago, so we were possibly more desperate.

[@roybear9052]

Browny is a drop kick. His head literally hits the ground

[@chrisschneiders6734]

And his left leg was off the ground straight after danger hit him , tried hoping on right leg twice before he hit the ground.

[@Hudson5678-s4d]

Brown is insufferable. Zero talent, thin skinned, funny as a wet fart

[@0077725]

Yep. He doesn't have a (broken) leg to stand on lol

[@JD-uj3fn]

Slinging motion, players head hits turf, regardless of whether he gets up or not the tackle is dangerous. Free kick and a fine the right result.

[@victorpeirce4753]

*As soon as Max Holmes came off the ground Geelong fell apart. Should have made a call quicker and put Duncan on straight away. I don't follow either of these teams,but I hope Lions get up next week. I can't stand the Swans, especially Papsmear.*

[@jc5531]

Lol Papley lives in your head rent free

[@victorpeirce4753]

@@jc5531 Lol.. I don't barrack for either team so I couldnt care less. I thought it was common knowledge everyone hates Papley.

[@victorpeirce4753]

​@@jc5531Lol.. where was Papsmear on Grand Final day? Hahaha. Suffer in your jocks.🤣 Go Lions.

[@jc5531]

@@victorpeirce4753 Obviously still living rent free in your head lmao

[@damobax8344]

Im not seeing why the hate on mcluggage here ?

[@LilGoblinJr]

Man they are really insecure about the no Vic teams in the GF haha

[@peterwylie6393]

Both these teams were originally from Victoria

[@LomuHabana]

Of course they are. Both team are from the NRL/Rugby states and Nine holds the broadcasting rights for the NRL as well as for some important Rugby Union competitions (such as Super Rugby) in NSW and QLD, but no AFL broadcasting rights. This final is the biggest nightmare possible for Nine.

[@brujonpatrick4779]

@@peterwylie6393wake up. No players for either side ever played in Victoria for them. Also both teams were ordered by the AFL to go or face closing. Also Brisbane Bears we’re already playing, poorly I admit. Suck it up.

[@Totallyseek]

​@brujonpatrick4779 the brisbane bears had a good team before we became the lions. We only had one Fitzroy player that came to the lions. And that was Chris Johnson. The bears list was already humming along.

[@LilGoblinJr]

​@@peterwylie6393 you clearly didnt watch the video.

[@tonyrichardson7322]

How good was Dangers sportsmanship when the big O did his shoulder a 2nd time...all class and that's from a Crow supporter!

[@daniellebcooper7160]

I want to see Brisbane win for Fagons sake, to shove it up the AFL for their handling of the 'racism' debacle.

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

Dude take it up with the gawks they caused the whole problem with fages and clarko , not the AFL fault get your facts right dude 😊

[@davidmason2374]

What a champion danger is just to touch Brisbane ruck man a give sportsmanship that what makes champions,great to see

[@qre268Zrtb]

Yep, that was really good from Danger, shows his Sportsmanship.

[@simonknowles4267]

Couldn’t have said it better.

[@LomuHabana]

Danger is an absolute legend of the sport, both through his game as well as his character.

[@kimharris2599]

@@davidmason2374 Well done with ya comment, yes it was great to see such respect , great sportsmanship.

[@victorpeirce4753]

Poor Oscar McInerney. He came off the ground looking like a busted arse, and now will miss a Grand Final. I really feel sorry for him.😥

[@Stomper_hongers]

Hahaha afl still trying to push a Melbourne granny. Fitzroy vs south Melbourne hahah

[@LomuHabana]

AFL loves this final. Nine hates it.

[@jonathanpalermo6166]

I am an original Fitzroy supporter and die hard Brissy fan. I was at 80% of those Fitzroy home games in the '80's and we lost them all. For the AFL to acknowledge the history that Fitzroy have a link to the current game and for Brisbane Lions to embrace their history speaks volumes, so yeah it's totally fine for the AFL to say that it's a South Melbourne and Fitzroy GF.

[@calebramat7649]

If we are honest, cats lost because their best player in holmes left the field in the third quarter, he’s so underrated, him leaving meant geelong fell apart

[@RobKieranz]

Massive effect yes

[@nickladner69]

team game mate you can't rely on one player

[@telltellyn]

@@nickladner69 Losing your most important player will hurt every team that's ever played the game and will ever play the game.

[@nickladner69]

@@telltellyn it literally just isnt the reason geelong lost though that's my point? brisbane lost their ruck before the first qtr had finished and won the game???

[@telltellyn]

@@nickladner69 I don't think it's the only reason either, or even the biggest. I think the biggest reason is simply that the Cats were wasteful with easy chances, the game should have been put away at half time. But losing possibly your best player is a massive factor.

[@bluedogbluey6742]

lol how's Kane pushing the Velvet Sledgehammer to get out of his way at the big screen. "You've had your turn, now get out of my way so I can show how clever I am."

[@PatrickDowdle]

The miss by Geelong in the last 30 secs , wasnt unpredictable . If you have played the game at any level you know how difficult it is, to kick the ball with any accuracy when your hamstring has gone

[@jaymothman]

Bris slicing through Geelong in the midfield probably had to do with Geelong's midfield coach being in hospital

[@TheBrubaker2]

How ridiculous is Brown's comment about Macca? You dont need 20/20 vision to see his head hit the turf and bounce back up. 🤕 He grabbed at his head to make sure the umpire saw it because that is what they ALL do. Its part of the game. The biggest clue as to what really happened is if you watch Scott's reaction. In that blink of an eye he thought he had just lost his best midfielder for the GF the next week.

[@jc5531]

Hits the left side of his head but grabs the right side that's the biggest clue

[@simonknowles4267]

Geez browny I thought Cornes was a flog..maybe Browny needs to be fined for being a flog

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Good call.

[@Revelation11v18]

Funny how when Port and GWS lose it's choking but when Geelong lose it's them being out coached lol

[@tin-n-tan]

The out coaches is a choke. That's the point. I.e. we had it all there and blew it and a lot of it seemed like bad decisions from the box and players.

[@Tosicc567]

similar to last week Fagan just outcoached them, making the perfect changes at halftime whilst down 4 goals that the cats couldnt cope with

[@Sco77ie_Boi]

😂 Chris Scott has won two flags…

[@Tosicc567]

@@tin-n-tan yeah its a full team job, the coach cant do much if players are making bad choices on the ground constantly. Its the entire team, coaches just take the crap for it. He did outcoach them with the specific changes he made, chris scott and his players didnt cope with changing up their game to solve it

[@SilentHotdog28]

Geelong were the biggest chokers this finals series.....unless Sydney trumps them next week by losing.

[@alexjones9038]

what was that weird ad thing at the end lmao

[@Viperalextab]

the fact that he said mcluggages tackle wasn't dangerous and he didnt hit is head is crazy, danger literally picked him up and threw him to the floor

[@garrybhaints255]

First quarter cost geelong the game ,missed plenty of shots at the goals,bit of poor umpiring too

[@mewimagine5920]

It's the players fault for grabbing his head after hitting it on the ground and resulting in a free kick? A hard hit or not, he probably wasn't baiting the umpire, it's a pretty natural reaction in the moment. That man is an idiot, to put it lightly

[@samysull333]

you do not watch footy 💀

[@mewimagine5920]

@@samysull333 can you elaborate?

[@samysull333]

@@mewimagine5920 “the player” “that man” about mccluggage and brown, acting as thought there’s any chance he wasn’t milking a free, suggesting it’s a natural reaction then failing to consider his “natural reaction” ended the millisecond he heard the umpire and he was fine as soon as he saw the free was his. like come on…

[@mewimagine5920]

@@samysull333 @samysull333 well, I did say "probably" which infers a chance. Slow the footage down to 0.5x and you will see that he did hit his head on the ground. Maybe it wasn't hard enough to give him a concusion, but you can see it wasn't nothing, and considering the stakes of the game at the time he had the strength to get up and play on

[@mewimagine5920]

​@@samysull333well, I did say "probably" which infers a chance. Slow the video down to 0.5x and you will see that he did hit his head on the ground. Maybe it wasn't hard enough to give him a concusion, but it wasn't nothing, and considering the stakes of the game at the time he had the strength to get up and play on.

[@kyosho7054]

Browny, you are WRONG regarding McCluggage

[@sandrafowler6717]

Chris Fagan better have a few stress balls in the coaches box on Grand Final Day, he always looks stressed out even when the Brisbane Lions are way ahead in front.

[@dilanabey]

As a Swans supporter this was almost the perfect game for us: brutal, injuries, exhaustion, too emotional for the winners. Hard to see how we win by 5+ goals next Saturday 🎉🎉🎉

[@idontdovarioustasks]

Pls don't get cocky I'm also a swans supporter

[@chriscoyne4827]

Pretty straight forward that Swan's and loins same score 14/11 each and finish on 95. In saying that lions have a great record this year of coming back 30 points down to win the game. I'm thinking a draw then extra time on.

[@idontdovarioustasks]

@@chriscoyne4827 touche

[@SilentHotdog28]

@@chriscoyne4827 How good would a draw then extra time be? Imagine 1 team winning by 30+ at 3qtr time, then the other comes back to draw, then goes to extra time.......mate, that would be awesome. I'm happy with either team winning, I prefers Swans to win so Grundy (and potentially Adams) can get a Premiership medal (I'm a Pies supporter) but happy with Lions winning too as I have respect for them playing a great Grand Final against us last year.

[@brendonwatt6098]

It doesn’t go to extra time… it gets replayed a whole week later….. And don’t get cocky. You’re 1/4 in grannies under horse. Do not even think you’ve got it until you’ve freaking got it.

[@rod7139]

Every Hawthorn player is trained to hold their head when they are tackled to ground, that was evident in their final against Port.

[@ekim613]

talking about the 'Danger'ous tackle on Mc"Luggage" if the player gets up barely injured, you cant report the tackler if there's an injury or obvious high contact it should be a free kick and report if a player stages dangerous/high contact, it's effectively lying to the umpires and should be booked

[@JC-hp6dh]

It’s complicated though - if he doesn’t mask that particular injury (concussion) he risks missing the grand final under concussion protocols. - The effects can be delayed, especially because of all the adrenaline in his system. - Danger lifted his feet off the ground and turned him head first, his arm that didn’t have the ball went out to break the fall and he did hit his head hard/whiplash. The AFL regardless would have him play coz tickets and eyes

[@davidagiel8130]

Even in a non Victorian GF they still have to make a connection to Melbourne 😂

[@stuartgraham8946]

The VFL mentality is alive and well 😂 ⚓️r’s

[@Shaun-o8g]

If they didn't then nobody would care to watch...😂

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

I thought Rayner scored three goals.

[@bradwaghorn8955]

How good is Ah Chee. What a season. Brownlow roughy. 😮

[@RobKieranz]

Settle

[@hardto994]

I am rapt in his form but i doubt he will get even one bronlow vote.

[@phoarey]

Ah gee he’s good!

[@TheMemeMachineMatt]

Lmao brownlow? Get out

[@nathanhanson663]

Brownlow 😂

[@fry_me]

Big O was brave from a Corn perspective for coming back on (had to say this in re Butters) but Holmes cost Geelong the game according to Lloyd. What are these blokes on? How about the player knows his body, the medicos are responsible for the final say but the coach will always ask how their stars are feeling as it is a high stakes game. Whether it was brave, stupid, costly or heroic is a moot point. The bickering for the blame game of injured players is ridiculous.

[@charleshillarynalong8736]

We will always fight for victory🦁❤🎉🎉🎉

[@smashhimmungo5798]

Out coached ???? GEELONG GAVE THEM THE GAME WITH BASIC ERRORS , MISSED SHOTS AT GOALS , SELFISH PLAYS AND THE UMPIRES GAVE EM EASY 3 GOALS ! 😂😂

[@effkay3691]

There’s no risk with more damage to the shoulder, especially if it’s popping out that easily. He needs surgery that’s all. If he keeps playing now or in 5 months it will keep popping out

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

Lloyd 😂😂😂

[@HK-jz5sz]

The AFL AND the commentators seem to have forgotten this is a CONTACT sport. When you start saying oh that’s too hard contact then the game is half gone. It’s a contact sport or it isn’t. End of story. Put little flags on the outside of their shorts and call it touch AFL. That’s where it’s going and that’s why I; along with many others are finding footy hard to watch over the past few years. The less contact that is allowed the closer we are to Soccer overtaking afl. Just a matter of time

[@hardcorehakon]

Hugh McCluggage, got straight up, not because it didn’t hurt, because he knew if he did anything other then that, he would go off with concussion rule, and miss a Grand Final. Brown is an absolute Moron.

[@skellyjell]

When I was a kid I actually thought they gave all that crap to the player at the end 😁

[@brianbaird9622]

nothing but that knee in the back to Dangerfield , that was the moment that lost the PF

[@brianbaird9622]

knees in the back in a marking contest has to be outlawed before someone is killed

[@chriscoyne4827]

​@@brianbaird9622don't like the contract Sport the maybe golf is a better option for you

[@hThemeZ]

@@brianbaird9622 XD

[@brianbaird9622]

you get a free kick for a push in the back in a marking contest , but nothing for a knee ,which may cost Petracca his future in football and could easily have cost his life

[@victorpeirce4753]

​@@brianbaird9622All players are fully aware of the risks of playing a hard hitting contact Sport and get paid a lot for doing so. You are like the AFL and want to ruin the game even further by taking a players ability to use their knees to sit on someone's head and take a spectacular mark which is one of the best and most exciting parts of Australian Rules Football. I think you should take up lawn bowls or Golf or don't watch. Simple.

[@LomuHabana]

Oh Nine’s nightmare final has become reality.

[@galesly8787]

It’s funny afl no Melbourne teams at all and nrl no qld teams ❤❤❤❤❤❤ there is a football god

[@simonpapik6365]

Rainer and Ashcroft didn't play in the 2022 Prelim loss.... made up for it in 2024

[@idontdovarioustasks]

Lloyd has egg on his face

[@stevelozevski8151]

Why?

[@idontdovarioustasks]

@stevelozevski8151 he didn't trust the lions forwards and brisbane to be a contender

[@stevelozevski8151]

@@idontdovarioustasks that's why you think he has egg on his face? I'm sure you're always right🤦

[@CJArnold-hq3ey]

How ironic Lordo is a Egg

[@ablett9]

He always writes the cats off too, has for years , anyway I’m proud of the cats it was a hard game and Brisbane were great too, could’ve gone either way

[@YoungLion-mj7el]

The commentary on McCluggage staging is absolute rot, imho. He was basically unsighted after the head knock in the 3rd Q. Looked like he was concussed to me.

[@scottmcnaughton539]

Don't think either coach was out coached on the night, regardless of which way the result went. Was an all time final. Geelong butchered the ball in the third quarter. Yes Geelong could have pulled the sub move quicker but we didn't have pace sitting there. Losing Holmes & poor output by some of the small forwards cost Geelong, nothing in the coaches box.

[@Totallyseek]

And those 5 behinds in the first trip also cost them as well

[@umbro12]

Geelong could have sealed it first half if they had of kicked straight

[@kimharris2599]

Nathan Brown faked more free kicks in his career like most bloody forwards. When ya adrenaline is high and ya get dumped or slung yes ya hurting but ya go again.

[@larryjones676]

Geelong needed a competent forward instead Shannon ‘butter fingers’ Neale

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

Dude the kitty kats are overrated and are to old and slow dude that's what cost them. To slow and old 😊.

[@JD_Bootytickler]

​​​@@paulkyriakopoulos3444 Their team list was older when they trashed Brisbane in 2022 and you say old and slow is a problem 💀. Not to mention Joel selwood, Isaac smith, Hawkins and Rohan were outrunning them

[@nickladner69]

@@JD_Bootytickler their team list was older when they got bent over and pantsed last night as well! enjoy your holiday fellas

[@JD_Bootytickler]

@@nickladner69 Yeah just like how they beat yous by 26 points earlier this year? If you think age is a factor then you are blind.

[@nickladner69]

@@JD_Bootytickler where they kicked 4.13 in the torrential rain. premierships aren't won in round 6 luckily you pillow biter

[@colinross6259]

Wrong, wrong and wrong again. Club officials should have to justify decisions. PETRACCA. Fair dinkum Browndog. He got straight up. How many players have been injured and got straight back up. I know Kane is slow, think he got some head damage along the way. I can remember when the Melbourne Storm rugby coaches were enlisted by AFL teams to teach how to tackle more violently. Times have changed, and so they should. No need to wreck someone's life to win a game of footy.

[@moregoldmoregold]

lol cats kick one more goal and dam it cats in a grand final again.

[@john-kath1638]

Of course his head hit the ground is the guy blind

[@shmick6079]

Dangerfield 1-2 weeks

[@chriscoyne4827]

Chis Scott made the mistake by not having zac and Hawkins in for the final game well classed drop kick

[@nathand4500]

Scott's not the dropkick you are.

[@stevelozevski8151]

​@@nathand4500the dope typed yesterday that Geelong were winning the grand final. Then when Geelong lost last night the twit deleted the thread

[@RobKieranz]

Easy to say after the fact

[@spudicus7811]

Chriscoyne says it all really translated means drop kick 😂

[@moregoldmoregold]

All the old school footy don’t care about instate GFs I’ve noticed

[@latenightlogic]

Oh go away… soon as I realised it was that dill corned talking I switched this off

[@glennwalker2996]

We dont rebuild we just average in the 8 every year and hopfully win a cup! Since 2012 cats have won 1 cup hawks 3! 10 years 9 years after hawks win 3peat are fully loaded to be up top for another 10 years id say 4 cups but 100percent 2 cups with ease!' Good luck trading a elite mid for danger! Thouey cameron and several more! Cats are fully loaded on the edge of a cliff! Cats wont make 8 next year! And with all your old stars your giving up 2 first rnd picks for bailey😂! With tazzi coming in and all cats old players cats are going down a risky lets say a highly risky road! 🤎💛💪🏆🏆🏆🏆coming next 10 years and 🏆🏆will be win with ease! Hawks start next year as favourites! And with players coming in next year we win it with ease! See how wrong i am!!

[@Kevin-oh2je]

Revelation...ahhh...shut up! ☘️

[@stevelozevski8151]

The sub rule is garbage

[@chriscoyne4827]

@@stevelozevski8151 just like Essendon there rubbish without drugs Stevie. Also just like yourself you're rubbish hanging around under age kids SICKO

[@pascalpitchen3219]

Lame Volcano this one

[@sergiodepinto8652]

It’s a game that keeps changing rules year after year. Coaches , players, fans , CEO’s are all confused about what is going on . All I hear from the Australian people saying it’s the greatest game in the world, it’s only you’s that play the game and not the world always remember that . Every season it’s the same teams playing each other over and over again how stuck is the game , no movement just stuck

[@jc5531]

Yes he staged and yes he should be fined and until ex players and commentators get off the fence and fully call them out for it nothing will be done to correct the problem

[@ricky6864]

Umpires kept them in it in the 1st half

[@michaelcolton4593]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡

[@MRHenHen]

😂😂😂😂

[@ja20nable]

Eat that L Geelong 🎉🎉🎉

[@sergiodepinto8652]

The most unattractive sport in the world . No country in the world plays AFL or watches it.

[@Rileyfarmer16]

People do watch afl

[@Rileyfarmer16]

You don’t because you don’t know what afl is

[@RetroBackslash]

"No country in the world plays AFL or watches it." Australia does, you bellend

[@patricknolan1096]

"Will you stop yelling by the way". 😊

[@dobbersanchez1185]

midfield coach was out for medical corno. but, yeah brand corno, so gotta have a fuddled swipe at someone, just like petracca youre a princeeeessssss