The World of For All Mankind EXPLAINED

[@OrangeRiver]

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[@nickrowell6478]

I would absolutely love to live in a timeline where we didn't abandon space exploration, so I'm there.

[@Brukner841]

we're just gonna leapfrog at some point.

[@kittygallor7045]

Real

[@TribuneAquila]

In a world where the cold war focuses less on weapons development and is centered around space exploration and expoitation. We dont have stealth fighter technology but on the other hand have a manned base on mars......very difficult choice.

[@Dboy3504]

It's a very underrated serie. One of the best shows to date.

[@Dr.Kananga]

It's not underrated, the viewership was solid until they started pushing social agendas into the script and eventually became repetitive.

[@OrangeRiver]

@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades

[@esceri1]

@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.

[@Dr.Kananga]

@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.

[@Dr.Kananga]

@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.

[@comcast2500]

apple does a terrible job promoting its shows. I never knew this show existed, but now I want to watch it

[@OrangeRiver]

A lot of these streaming services do a terrible job promoting their shows, sadly :/

[@zeighy]

Apple actually heavily advertises the show inside the Apple TV app... Not much, if at all, anywhere else. Presumably, they only care that existing subscribers are actually watching them... Not sure why they don't want to advertise out to get more subscribers...

[@iamarizonaball2642]

@@OrangeRiver i would want to live in the world... if the internet wasnt privatized.

[@figmillenium]

I’ve been a NASA and sci-fi fan since the 1970s, and #forallmankind has become one of my all time favorite tv shows!

[@DaGravityMan]

My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.

[@liegeoflunacy]

I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed

[@KenjiWardenclyffe]

For All Mankind isn't alt history, it's a documentary from the real Prime Timeline and we're in the alt universe

[@johnward5726]

My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.

[@demukazz]

If only it was that easy. Ok, let's start with now constant auroras aka northen lights visible not just in the north. Well, that is because of weakening of magnetic field. Why does it weakens? Does human print has to do anything with it? Absolutely zero! It weakens because it magnetic poles are shifting. It does frequently on this rock, with us or without us. When does it flip? Two major versions here : The internal magma dynamics (remnants of the planet earth swallowed 3 billion years ago is from time to time gets clumped and that most of the magnetic forces concentrates there and that shifts the magnetic poles) and galactic accretion sheet, through which our system is travelling now contains billions times more energetic particles that usual void and those particles supercharges the sun to cause frequent x-10 class flares as well as directly bypassing the heliosphere rushes straight to planet earth and our magnettosphere is nothing to those particles. So, how does going nuclear, which I am 100% supporter of, solves the "climate change" ?

[@dramonmaster222]

Thanks for doing this video on "For All Mankind". I've heard good things about the series.

[@bitter_one1336]

​@@Bebop-OneSir. What are space operas?

[@PauperJ]

@@bitter_one1336 "Malor Pagoda" is a wonderful Klingon opera.

[@Tylerpierre99]

It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.

[@ruskiwaffle1991]

FAM is one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched.

[@TysonPower]

Ok, for new ppl getting into the show it starts slow first season but wait it out. It gets so damn good.

[@Tylerpierre99]

It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.

[@bigzed7908]

Hi Bob!

[@HannahFortalezza]

Hi Bob

[@PauperJ]

The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again. Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.

[@DougVanDorn]

One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.

[@beezelbuzzel]

Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.

[@OrangeRiver]

😂 Nice

[@Tylerpierre99]

It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.

[@QuarkGamingLLC]

Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS

[@OrangeRiver]

I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0

[@bkayser05]

​@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.

[@nigel-Rollercam-channel]

I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me

[@yvindwestersund9720]

And your seriously trying to say that The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂 Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂

[@vololoo]

@@yvindwestersund9720 lol indeed, most of the expanse is melodrama. I usually just skip those scenes to get to the space part :D

[@yvindwestersund9720]

@@vololoo but one must say that what's not melodramatic is actually very good

[@stink1701]

Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!

[@sabkobds]

I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.

[@rixxey2048]

can't wait to watch this!! I haven't finished the series but wow, S1 was awesome. S2 is really good so far.

[@DanielSolis]

Hell yes! Glad you're covering this show.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Great summary of the show so far. The points of early divergence were especially interesting.

[@XXTacoBellLovaXX]

"We come in peace for all mankind" ... in the middle of a cold war pissing contense

[@admiralsand]

So you’re ridiculing him for elevating a massive scientific breakthrough beyond said “pissing contest”?

[@scpguy1381]

15:50 , small correction but Starship uses methane no Hydrogen

[@bkayser05]

I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.

[@LoudSiren-123]

I've never seen this show, and only started watching this vid but I'm already wishing i lived in that universe if the ra got thatcher

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Very excellent work, as always! Many thanks - much appreciated!

[@Stephen17116]

Thanks for all your hard work man!

[@JohnClark-tt2bl]

I never knew this show existed. GG Apple, just keep this stuff a secret.

[@giorgiopalmas7934]

It's great- check it out. Great musical drops too.

[@HannahFortalezza]

I’d love to live in the timeline/ universe of FaM. 1. Socialism is a much bigger thing. So many options available to live in a system that I actually agree with. 2. Technology is on such a better trajectory than our own 3. Earlier civil rights improvements such as marriage equality 4. Very cool spaceships!

[@KingOfMadCows]

It's the Star Trek prequel you never knew you wanted.

[@Lynxdoc]

Maybe mirror universe prequel especially with what went down in the last season. Ron Moore did work on Trek.

[@jameskelly3502]

22:42 I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk. However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk. Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.

[@Melkur1981]

This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons. The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before. Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.

[@lgoamity]

Glad to see more reviews of this Alt History Sci-Fi/Drama

[@quinnsoutar2196]

I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows. There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.

[@fulmerduckworth8281]

I love this show, I'm so glad you are covering it.

[@aledwalters8977]

I like to live in for all mankind.

[@gninenine]

The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.

[@Pengu1n111]

I bloody love For All Mankind!!!

[@johnbrandon5493]

In THIS show's timeline a LOT of things happen differently...and I'd likely have gone to work for a private space company! I like it there!

[@zacharythomas8617]

Hi Bob.

[@worldofdoom995]

Great video. I don't like supporting Apple, but I might get this service just to watch this series.

[@sw-gs]

You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.

[@Rebun24]

Great video. FAM is easily up there with the best sci-fi shows of this century.

[@shaggycan]

Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier. We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.

[@bofostudio]

l live in Latvia, a country whose citizens were in the process of being displaced by Russians during the Soviet era. Latvia as a nation simply would not exist in this timeline. So no, I'm very grateful that isn't the universe we inhabit.

[@nealjroberts4050]

FAM sounds rather like an alternate history story I read over a decade ago. I hope they are involved in the show.

[@draupnir23]

Thanks for making this video. I really enjoyed binging this show and I’m happy they’re working on a new season!

[@augurseer]

Love this show

[@ryanodoherty4090]

Great video. I don't think the series could work as a star trek prequel as Danny mentions the tv show and ensuring her grandson will be a trekkie.

[@sinisterintelligence3568]

Bought the first season and now I'm HOOKED!!!

[@ampersand2001]

LET'S GET STARTED!@!!!@!@!@!

[@balung]

Should be on his Tshirts.

[@frankbalon813]

The Beatles get back together in 1975. I'm all in.

[@wolfie3657]

Seing the teaser (?) for season 5 makes me feel very weird. This is a first time in this series where I can see what the world could look like when I was a alive and concious of my existance

[@karenchristensengrubb]

Great recap! Btw the staffer Ted Kennedy is caught with in this timeline was Mary Jo Kopechne, who was the woman who died in the car Kennedy drove off the bridge at Chappaquiddick in our timeline.

[@DavidBakerJr-MeepBeep]

I never seen such a good show turn so absolutely ridiculous. From the point where Gordo and Tracy wrapped themselves in duct tape to go outside on the moon-on, the show became absolutely unbearable to watch. And, that really, really sucks bc up to that point I couldn’t stop watching it. How the writers could ruin such a good series, out of nowhere, is just beyond me. A damned shame smh

[@andrebarbosa224]

It's a Mobile Suit Gundam prequel guys

[@OrangeRiver]

😂

[@jamdoodles]

I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong

[@OrangeRiver]

😂 This is very true

[@jameskelly3502]

Dev is literally a brilliant, successful physicist, whereas the "other guy" is more of a classic "fake it till you make it type"

[@pyRoy6]

Sorry I'm late to the party. For whatever reason, the first 3 seasons felt completely plausible and real. Yeah, there was some hand-waving with science/technology, and people made ridiculous bad decisions for the purpose of moving the story along...and there was some goofy political stuff, but it was fun. Ellen and Larry bearding each other all the way into the White House (as Republicans) only to enact "don't ask don't tell," and immediately repealing it was a highlight for me. Season 4 felt weird, though. The idea of a labor unrest on Mars was set up nicely, and made sense...but they had a $20 trillion discovery fall into their laps, and they had a way to start cashing in within 5 years. It already seemed weird for the likes of Poole, Tyler, and Hobson (given his background) to take a default union-busting position, but on top of that, there seemed to be zero Soviets at least amused by the workers seizing the means of production. I get that the point is that the Soviet Union (in the show and in real life) was basically a capitalist autocracy that calls it self "communist," but a lot of the characters were supposed to believe in the Marxist/Leninist philosophy. It all seemed like a wasted opportunity, both from a story perspective, and for the characters themselves. They could have had a pro-negotiation faction consisting of union-sympathizers, communist idealists, and pragmatic capitalists going up against a hardline "law & order" faction filled with capitalist hardliners, Soviet "patriots," and anti-union politicians. They could have relatively quickly (maybe even after a violent incident) worked out a deal similar to what Dev offered (which would make sense, given how much money would be available), and then the story could have focused on the future of Mars and space exploration...even ending the season with Margo & Aleida doing what they did. I'm guessing that stuff like this was bounced around the writers' room, and it didn't seem dramatic enough?

[@alex30425]

The For all Mankind easter egg in The Expanse more has to do with the Expanse showrunner being a writer for season 1 of FAM.

[@ComradePhoenix]

As someone watching the show for the first time with my gfs, and we haven't yet gotten past Season 2 Episode 2, thanks for the spoiler warning!

[@datacorz]

Hi, Bob.

[@RobotsEverywhereVideos]

I gotta watch this.

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

I Would Say that "For All Mankind" be "Unofficial Prequel" to The Awesome "The Expanse" xd

[@OrangeRiver]

Wait till the end for my thoughts on that :D

[@acarrillo8277]

It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.

[@rixxey2048]

that would be a really fun connection if they could make it work haha

[@OrangeRiver]

@cowsagainstcapitalism347 The MCU broke people's brains and now everything has to be connected XD

[@seanwhelan6960]

I’ve had that thought since season 2, personally FAM is the best sci-fi on tv right now.

[@TechWinnerCC]

Hi Bob

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

Greece and Turkey are now members of the Warsaw Pact

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

And a day talk lasted between 1994-2003

[@LC-pf6vu]

Thanks!

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@anuket4854]

You forgot the civil war in Saudi Arabia in the early 2000s. (Said in passing at NASA in season 4.)

[@tanler7953]

In our timeline, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism coincided with the fall of socialism. In the series, however, the USSR does not fail, and this would likely mean less religious extremism.

[@liegeoflunacy]

The FAM timeline is so advanced they got eight years of Reagan over with by 1984 😂

[@OrangeRiver]

LMFAO

[@darrensmith6999]

Absolutely Love this show!

[@crakkbone]

I love this channel.

[@RodBlanc]

I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.

[@Iwanbezbrody]

Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

That explains why the piles regolith and I can’t wait for star city

[@thatsounditmakes9177]

I love this show.

[@Ziyaggy]

I wonder if South Africa continued it's initial space program in the show universe

[@Ziyaggy]

Ed makes mention of Elon Musk in season 3, and presumably Tesla when talking about his rental electric Roadster but i don't think SpaceX exists in the universe

[@einyv]

I liked the series

[@debe968]

CyberEd. I still believe.

[@iindium49]

This seems more like a time travelers check list then a show recap.

[@OrangeRiver]

? I mean, videos like these are always lore breakdowns and examinations of alternate worlds. I try explicitly NOT to make them just "show recaps"

[@iindium49]

@@OrangeRiver I meant it as a compliment.

[@OrangeRiver]

@iindium49 Fair enough 👍👍

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

Doto the Berlin wall, not be demolished 22:15

[@catfancier270]

Love that show!

[@juhilla749]

The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.

[@pyeitme508]

YES!

[@ACS2]

Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it. I still recommend this show. Great space drama.

[@tonygallagher6997]

3:39 is that the chime of a Go train I can hear?

[@halfsourlizard9319]

What 'For All Mankind' needs is MUCH more Jodi Balfour. 👩‍❤️‍👩

[@wlewisiii]

It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.

[@bofostudio]

Agreed. The depiction of science, geopolitics and economics are just too facile for me to be able to suspend disbelief.

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

I think they will confirm it in star city 16:26

[@OllamhDrab]

That's really helpful. :) (I've only gotten to see scattered episodes at a friend's house so it's a little hard to keep up. :) )

[@mosser-wm3dx]

The major reason i keep my apple sub. I can only access it on my pc and living room smart tv lol. I like space dramas, so im biased af.

[@shaggycan]

I think Naren Shankar works on both shows, FAM and The Expanse

[@mrsrhardy]

Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!

[@brucereynolds9708]

I could certainly see it as a prequel to "The Expanse" but not Star Trek...well, in the mirror universe perhaps. OK, now I'm confused

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

I think originally he was supposed to be Thomas Schaffer but he’s a state said no

[@rini6]

I would rather live in the For All Mankind universe. No climate change? A settlement on Mars? A female president? I’m in.

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

The Cold War is not over in for all mankind

[@OrangeRiver]

They're definitely at another detente in season 4, in relative terms at least

[@AddisonSmith-f7y]

This is the only detente because Russia beat us to the moon and this one is a lot more success do you know what happens? during season 5 the Arab spring

[@alexneff]

OR is like ima stand by a bridge it will look cool ... it did

[@alexneff]

Way better then the handicapeable spaces

[@stevangucu522]

Its a Star Trek prequel... or The Expanse prequel. It works for both😁

[@OrangeRiver]

...not really, which is why I make an argument against both at the end of my video 😅