For The Price... The Yamaha PW-X3 Is Unbeatable In 2024?

[@BenCabell]

Just pulled the trigger can't wait for delivery!!!

[@KarlHansen-d5m]

I missed out on the 07😢 Luckily, I did get the 05 before they too sold out! I will get to find out how good the PW3 is 😊

[@lukasvrana6388]

I ride PW-X3 for 2 years - and it has really good feeling. I got the version from Giant - they made own software. For the price this bike looks really good (I run higher, more enduro/DH specs)

[@alexbiketester]

The specs are currently unbeatable. Nothing comes close. Thats why I made a video about it ;-)

[@lukasvrana6388]

@@alexbiketester I agree, the price to specs is really awesome!

[@shockadellick]

Yamaha should give it IPM ?

[@riccscampervan]

Giant Reign E+2 for £3300. Slightly less spec drive train but you do get mullet wheels and 800 watt battery. Also 170mm upfront on Zebs.

[@kevinmortimer1883]

impressed you have a tear down motor as there are none at all anywhere i can find. my nduro 7 pwx3 has been well used and 100% reliable. unlike the bosch smart systems my riding mates have..

[@rollingdown8699]

I have been riding this motor for 6 months and it is great. Btw I just posted a video review of my bike with the motor 😝 🙈

[@alexbiketester]

drop the link in teh comment.... ;-)

[@rollingdown8699]

@@alexbiketester kzbin.info/www/bejne/n53cm6R4eK5pqsUsi=GMNnNJnOo6VuxExo

[@rollingdown8699]

@@alexbiketester link always disappears 🫤

[@RoissyAngel]

Great review. Needs a pannier rack on the back for touring. Need somewhere for my sarnies.

[@alexbiketester]

ahahah, thanks. Its simple, but better value than this doesnt exist.

[@JohnChristopher-k7u]

@@RoissyAngel Take a look at some of the latest hardtails offerings from Giant which come shipped witb the Yamaha motors, especially the Fathom E+.. Mega easy to fit panniers racks and bags as well as other overlanding accessories to turn this bike into a proper long distance tourer. I can carry £30 of shopping back home with my setup. Don’t bother with the Talon as it’s too under powered.

[@RoissyAngel]

@@JohnChristopher-k7u Thanks, will take a look. I have noticed that some of the German ebike manufacturers have realised that there is a big market for touring emtbs. I need that pannier rack to do my shopping but also if I am going on a 20 mile ride in the country. I don't want weight of a rucksack on my back. I heard in a video that Nicolai are selling most of their Saturn emtbs - the one with that fancy new Pingu oil internal gear motor - to over 50's males who want their touring option, meaning the Saturn having a rear rack and mudguards. Makes sense to me. The Germans are very practical.

[@Codeset08]

Great value bike and thanks for giving us a closer look at the yamaha motor alex 👍

[@alexbiketester]

thanks for watching...

[@richdome1]

2222 US out the door Moro yellow put a 29" tire on original fork with 1/4 inch gap! Wow luv the mullet! If you can find one great deal!

[@davidchan6265]

I pulled the trigger on a Moro 7, the deal was too good to pass on!!

[@alexbiketester]

@@davidchan6265 for a new bike. Unbeatable

[@lazerrred]

Me too. Awesomeness both the bike and the price.

[@billforrest9002]

What's the price again?ty​@@lazerrred

[@lazerrred]

@@billforrest9002 After taxes $2900.00 & change.

[@JohnChristopher-k7u]

I absolutely love the Yamaha e-bike motors. I’ve been riding with one in my Giant Fathom E+3 29er hardtail since 2019 and apart from a few teething problems in the beginning, the motor which had been tuned by Giant has been diamond. My one and only reservation is the motor drag which kicks in once the speed exceeds 15.5 miles an hour. It is so effective that I now use it as a secondary air brake when zooming down very steep hills. You don’t ever want to run out of juice witb a Yamaha motor, which brings me onto the only real problem I have with this fully loaded Yamaha full suss e-MTB. In today’s market a 500wh battery is puny. Given that this bike also isn’t particularly light weight that spell double trouble, unless you’re using this bike at a bike park.

[@JeffreyMalatesta]

Battery should be a little bigger. It's good for 25 miles offroad ... I always like a little more just in case you have an epic day

[@JeffreyMalatesta]

Bike is extremely fun and capable though

[@cameddy4081]

Agreed!!! Purchased the YDX 4 years ago - what a machine !! (Wish it was range extendable ) - incredible value !!! Yamaha is great ! - Yamaha knows bikes and has been very reliable - I would NOT recommend Giant - my e- Trance has been a nightmare and Giant customer support does not exist .

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

I like to see it compared to Giants versions. It's same motor different software. How different are they I also wonder about getting parts from Yamaha for their motors that are in Giants.

[@skiwealdo1973]

I have this motor type motor except little older version on a 2021 version on a giant trance E+ and it's the noisiest motor I've ever heard in my life, I also have this version on a 2021 Liv and it's nice and quiet, I also have a turbo levo specialized 2021 and it's the quietest. Anyhow I do think these Yamaha motors are good as long as you stick with a 2022 version or up are even quieter!

[@kar120cc]

In the US this bike is currently $2599, with a free extra battery. Insane deal.

[@alexbiketester]

Unbeatable nothing else on the market comes close,

[@tonybennett3904]

Yamaha all the way,agree with every word.

[@alexbiketester]

understated reliability.....

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

For $3k, full power motor, XT drivetrain, and Magura MT5, that's a great bargain. I'm currently riding a Trek Fuel Exe alloy TQ motor, and i love it because it still feels like an acoustic bike and very agile. But I wouldn't mind having a full power, and the Yamaha bikes are definitely at the top of my list at that price point.

[@zelli63]

Same thing here. Love my Fuel Exe, but what’s wrong with two bikes? One full power! The sale price is pulling me in.

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

@zelli63 I will get a full power. The sale is tempting me, too

[@cameddy4081]

Have had a YDX for 3-4 years now - amazing power and reliability- cannot say enough about the Yamaha - stay away from Giant , bad experience with the e-trance . Sounds like Yamaha is backing out of the E-MTB a market in the USA . Get the Yamaha It is so fun and a fabulous value for rock solid reliability.

[@alexbiketester]

Big mistake backing out..... they should keep it low cost volume and just cruise by.

I think Yamaha has released a newer version of the motor, called PW-XM and is found on the new Raymon and Haibike bikes

[@southernebiking]

Just picked up a Moro Pro. I know I sacrifice a bit on the front fork, the 12 speed for an 11 speed, and a slightly heavier motor. Would have preferred the 07 but I was able to walk out the door with the pro. $2200 US out the door with a five year warranty and an extra battery on the way. The deal really cannot be beat. And it should be plenty good enough for the off-road riding I am doing with it.

[@alexbiketester]

its unbeatable, they have lit a rocket when it comes to what you get....

[@southernebiking]

@@alexbiketester there are two possible stories as to why they have every single bike at about 60% off right now. I called a Yamaha dealer that used to sponsor me off road. We’re talking 40 years ago so it’s not like they knew who I was. He told me that Yamaha is recognizing the bike market is expanding so well and they want to get more bikes out there. that would make sense. I also have noticed that they have hinted at some very new technology for bikes. Maybe they are looking to change everything over, I really don’t know. But I do know for the money, bike in their lineup would be a win.

[@alexbiketester]

@@southernebiking they have something new next year, but I dont know details yet.

[@Zetler]

If this bike have a 700wh battery it wouldn't be a sale for $2500 right now. Yamaha paid the price for not updating that frame design.

[@alexbiketester]

It's still an untouchable offer.

[@theestate12]

I have the bicycle. Need a proper bicycle stand. What stand are you using and would you recommend it for the Moro 07 Large

[@alexbiketester]

you mean to hold it up in the air? or kick stand? I use a feedback sports stand. Best quality.

[@NBSTL68]

Just picked up the last '05 version from a local dealer bc the 07s are completely sold out at this point. Lower level stuff but I don't think I'll notice much and I like the color better. Note the charge port is all the way up at the top of the battery by the stem....away from mud and water ingress...Hmm I'd say brilliant but it's really just common sense placement all the other brands ignore for some reason. This is also the only motor I have seen fully submerged on some videos without any mention of water ingress issue somehow. Crazy price drop on their whole line for some reason...Why? (Moro dropped from $6.5k to $2.5k?! 😵) How has this bike or motor not gotten anywhere near the video review coverage as the other big guys?

[@alexbiketester]

its in a good position....

[@Adixoxo123]

hey mate can a MegNeg upgrade can fin in between those twin tubes? thanks

[@alexbiketester]

@@Adixoxo123 good question, I don't know what are the measurements I can ask

[@Adixoxo123]

@@alexbiketester thanks..

[@mikegetsi1731]

How bout the Cyke Falcon S? 1000watt mid drive bafang motor producing 160nm of torque and a 960wh battery that goes for days. It comes with 29X3 tires. The price $2999.00

[@alexbiketester]

That might not be a class one e-bike? Need to check. I mostly test class one bikes.

[@hotleadharry]

How does it compare to the Spectral ON:CF8 that you been riding? I want to get one of them, but I live in the mountains. Would the Moro be good in bike parks?

[@alexbiketester]

I would say different. The spectral has a lower bb feels bit more stable in corners. The moro has more agility. The motor feel regarding torque is comparable with the ep801. more than the ep8. The canyon is a "better" bike, but, not when looking at pricing the current deal blows away anything.

[@hotleadharry]

@@alexbiketester thanks for responding. which is better on downhill rough stuff?

[@user-vf7gp1hr9c]

Just picked one up last week. Climbs like a mountain goat, shocks are very responsive. I think the rear may be over damped on compression for my weight (168 in gear), but it's still holding lines. Love the motor! Power at every cadence. I ride around mostly in Level 2 (of 5) and sometimes kick it up to 3 on hills, 4-5 if I'm worn out. It is just right for Santa Monica area with all the straight up, straight down stuff. I like getting a feel of laying down power and getting heart rate up like a standard Mountain Bike, but not being blown out after one 5-800 foot climb. I've tried Turbo, but it's too much power for my liking. I've taken to using that on descents where you might encounter creek crossings that you approach down and need to power straight up on the exit; power is right there on tap. I've done about 23 miles/2.5 hours on one charge with massive elevation gains. Also did Ridgeline in Malibu and only used 50%. I'd say the motor is very efficient, though I'm not hanging out in Turbo all the time, but on the Malibu run, I sure did use a bit of Turbo on the climbs; its all very intuitive and you just select what need when you need it. I'm smoking my buddies who are riding Specialized Turbo Levo's with 90 Nm and 700 Watts and keeping steady with them on battery usage (percentage). They are rolling in Turbo basically 100% of the time and are more toward the 200/200+ range. Bottom line, if you are in the 150-190 lb weight range, I wouldn't worry about Battery range. I'm going to get a Sigma computer to see exactly what's going on (I think Yamaha designed things to be compatible with a computer/phone; basically outsourcing display ton your preference, but the light system gets the job done). All, in all, very impressed. Love the brakes, wheels are fine (removed the awful turquoise stickers on the black model, but the royal blue ones on the blue model look great) and the black/silver paint is top shelf. Beautiful metallic. Added crank protection books and my own pedals (but you could get by with Yamaha's). XT derailleur is beautiful (though I promptly dropped the bike in the garage and scratched it before my first ride 😠🤦). For reference, I'm 168-172 geared up, commute on a fixed gear or road bike at 18-22 mph's for 7.25 miles each way and can make it up the grades on an acoustic mtb, albeit with lungs busted and only good for 1-2 per ride whereas with this bike, I'm just itching to climb, even at the end of the ride and after 1,500+ feet gain. I'm not a big technical downhiller so I can't speak to that handling as much, but it scoots down the various high speed runs I've hit. Hope that helps. Also, 33" inseam/5'9" on a Medium. Cockpit may be just a hair tight, but not sure I'd jump to a large, though I'm also not sure the typical considerations of nimbleness apply to the heavier e-bike realm since the weights are already enough to keep you from stunting all over the place, though she rides very smooth and jumps great.

[@alexbiketester]

Best ebike for the price that I have seen new on teh market possibly ever.

[@InfiniteMishaps]

Have you used auto? How does it feel on the trail? I have ridden giants with auto, not bad but too much power for me. I have a giant trance e+ pro currently. I had to adjust the power to get it where I liked it on the low end. I’ve been contemplating getting the Moro pro or the 07.

[@ElevatedVehicles]

Alex, where are we able to find that tuner for the motor you mentioned? That sounds wonderful to have for mine.

[@alexbiketester]

eplus www.eplus.bike/en/

[@ElevatedVehicles]

Bloody legend! Cheers mate

[@graham2167]

Does it have a good warranty?.

[@alexbiketester]

yes

[@barrygoh5840]

I have had my Moro 07 for about 5 months and it’s it’s been great my girlfriend uses her bike to commute to work every day 25km a day and the battery lasts 5 days Only thing I have had to do is grease all the suspension componentes The speed sensor in the rear hub needs to be replaced ( warranty) battery cover needs to be adjusted, Cable length from factory needs to be adjusted Dropper post needs to greased / lubricated my girlfriends bike the dropper was sticking or it would drop when riding Using the high gears and low speed and low power it has a little feedback from the motor like it’s not sure if it wants to assist or not But I have to say it a super stable easy bike to own

[@alexbiketester]

used evry day, sounds like a great test period!

[@jammerlr7780]

Not even close. The Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0 is head and shoulders over literally everything else out there.

[@aidanrips]

Except for a Bafang motor

[@jammerlr7780]

@@aidanrips Bullshit

[@alexbiketester]

price?

[@motoboggle7525]

If you told me this was a 2018 model bike i would still say it looks dated ….. buy today sell to-MORO 🤦‍♀️

[@alexbiketester]

good one....

[@SK-qc6fb]

Brushless

[@craigslist2678]

It's a derailer, not a deraileeyer 😂🚲

[@alexbiketester]

I grew up calling it a "mech"...

[@craigslist2678]

@@alexbiketester 👍🏽

[@rawmancemtb]

Yeah this is just some marketing talk. Yamaha is middle of the pack performance wise. Bosch gen4 is the best with instant full power and overrun. Bosch gen4 also has the best power curve giving the most power from low to high cadence. Well excluding Powerplay which is a step above Bosch in power but also has "natural" power meaning slow and lazy power delivery. And the yet to be released DJI avinox is obviously far above anything getting peak power for 30 seconds instead of 1 as it is on rest of the motors. Yamaha is in line with Brose and Shimano but the performance certainly isn't anything note worthy. I did notice Yamaha has a strong pull when it get to medium speed or cadence but the problem is Bosch style instant power is just better because you want the acceleration when you touch the pedals not some time later. And from bench tests Bosch also looks to be stronger accross the cadence range from low to high, again excluding Powerplay and possibly Bafang. 23 kg weight on a 500Wh battery is not anything special either. If that is the announced weight by manufacturer it means the real weight is 25kg. Which would be pretty bad with a 500Wh battery. Nor does it really matter to have a 23kg bike or a 25kg bike. Battery size, spec and motor are far more important stats than 2kg of weight. And price wise you get corresponding bikes for the same price on different motors with the large discounts you are starting to see. For experienced MTB riders looking for performance the choice is between Bosch and Powerplay. The rest of the motors are for people who don't care about performance and just want to ride something. Not sure how Bafang and Pinion stack up so they might have something to offer as well. And DJI is just basically twice the power of the other motors.

[@alexbiketester]

Cost wise the Moro 07 with specs at that price was also highlighted by @mbr to be a top pick. If the bike was 6k I might have a different opinion. Certainly for the price this setup is hard to beat, and for entry level its hard to ignore.

[@notaflyingtoy698]

@rawmancemtb The only marketing talk is coming from you. "And price wise you get corresponding bikes for the same price on different motors" This is the only relevant part of your comment, yet it's completely left to the imagination. A new Yamaha Moro 07 is $2599 (I got two for $1699 each). What would you get in that price range instead?

[@alexbiketester]

@@notaflyingtoy698 incredible price!

[@rawmancemtb]

@@notaflyingtoy698 There are plenty of options in that price now with discounts...

[@morejelloplease]

I'm sorry, how did you get 2 for that price?? ​@@notaflyingtoy698