Sexually Promiscuous? Blame It On Anatomy

Complete video at: fora.tv/2011/02...
British psychologist Glenn Wilson asserts that evidence of promiscuity in primates can be determined anatomically. Wilson compares the genital size and sexual practices of several primate species, including orangutans and chimpanzees with that of humans. Wilson argues that like most primates, "humans are not naturally monogamous."
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Why do the "selfish genes" of men and women sometimes create conflict? How do monogamy, polygamy and infidelity stack up in terms of adaptive value? Is sex addiction a real disease or just an excuse for bad behaviour? The distinction between explanation and moral justification. Reconciling the discrepancy between male and female instincts. - Gresham College
As well as being one of Britain's best-known psychologists, Glenn Wilson is the Visiting Gresham Professor of Psychology. He has appeared on numerous television and radio programs and has published more than 150 scientific articles and 33 books.
He is an expert on individual differences; social and political attitudes; sexual behavior, deviation and dysfunction; and psychology applied to the performing arts. Not one to shy away from contention, his most recent books include: Born Gay: The Psychobiology of Sex Orientation, The Secret of Lasting Love and Psychology for Performing Artists.He has lectured widely abroad, having been a guest of the Italian Cultural Association, and a visiting professor at California State University, Los Angeles, San Francisco State University, Stanford University, the University of Nevada, Reno and Sierra Nevada College.
Apart from being a professional psychologist, Dr. Wilson trained as an opera singer at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama in London and still undertakes professional engagements as an actor, singer and director.

[@freesk8]

I think it would be a mistake that just because many of we humans are polyamorous to therefore denigrate monogamists. Monogamy is a voluntary contract. Both partners agree to be sexually exclusive. The harder a contract or promise is to keep, the more virtue there is if someone keeps it. Now, if you know the odds of your keeping the contract are low, you would be wise not to enter in to it in the first place. But I admire those who are faithful. They exhibit virtue.

[@nikoguarro]

Monogamy has been and is being enforced by society and the system. It is not a choice if it is the only thing that you see around you all the time everywhere. This is part of the problems of amatonormativity. I'm not saying that this makes it ok to shame monogamous people... unless they try shame you first for being polyamorous, sexually promiscuos, or non-heterosexual. In that case I would just laugh naturally and the hubris of people upholding one of the most broken forms of interpersonal relationships trying to shame me because I enjoy my body with other 30 guys on a rapid succession.

[@freesk8]

@@nikoguarro I disagree with your first two sentences. And I defend your right to be as promiscuous as you like with other consenting adults. But my bet is that it is not good for you. As your friend, I would counsel you to tone it down a bit. But no law should prevent you from being as promiscuous as you like.

[@johndawd4616]

For a male it's not natural and is against their true self to be with one woman . Male having sex with women from outside the relationship doesn't mean they love their woman less but female doing so means the relationship is over . A cheating woman is a Hwwe but a man having sex is just a man having sex nothing more to it .

[@ObliviousBurrito]

Does it really matter if one chooses to become a polygamist rather than a monogamist? I mean I don't have any desire to marry and have children, but rather live a life of enjoyable and honestly pleasurable promiscuity. It sort of vexes me how people would want to put me to death for enjoying my biological inclination especially people belonging to the Islamic religion.

[@truvelocity]

I just finished watching the entire lecture at the fora tv web site and it was fantastic. Thank you for posting this!

[@Mastikator]

@unholyimage If sex education that teaches facts about human nature has harmful consequences in the context of our society then that is not a reason to not teach, if society is not compatible with people knowing the truth then it is society that must change, not people being kept in the dark.

[@4lito3D]

All these "theories".. psychologists. They never learn..

[@partizanforces3064]

I'd like to hear the whole talk

[@Mastikator]

@maxistsocialist You can't seriously be saying that pedophilia and rape are caused by lack of sexual stimulation?

[@truvelocity]

This was interesting. I'll go watch the entire lecture on Forat tv

[@angelwhite]

@watercup123456 huh? "set up" was a direct quote from you. You even use it in your response where you question it! WTF?! Do you accept that there is zero intent and you can't say anyone should or should not do anything based on their physiology?

[@HaphazardCrappola]

@endauthority Yeah and the vast majority those single women are poor because they are doing all the rearing themselves without a father figure present. Poverty which breeds more poverty. But somehow you think this is advancement, good for you.

[@Alemag_]

@SeeProfileForDetails why my comment is sexist? you were talking about males, that's why i didn't include women. it is not hard to prove, being a male myself i know about it, and not just me, most people i know, tend to do the same. and in fact, not just the people i know, most of men act like that, even do there are exceptions, we men are always trying to find something better. and not just men women also. no need to prove the obvious.

[@SomethingSea1]

@Mastikator Would they not be greatly reduced?

[@angelwhite]

@watercup123456 No, evolution has no intent, no goal, no purpose, no fate, no desire, no destination. It is merely the change in allele frequencies. This is the effect of natural selection, which is nothing more than the fact that genes which are more likely to survive are thus more likely to propagate. You are not *supposed* to reproduce, that is merely a common pattern because it is self selecting. It is not better or worse to be self selecting except in so far as you choose to interpret it.

[@SomethingSea1]

@fjaoaoaoao Negative or positive correlation?

[@1stNightingale]

@xxxFaustusxxx Are you saying thats a bad thing?

[@TremblingQualifier]

i made my comment to show that it seems like any kind of evidence is almost arbitrary

[@wildreams]

@truvelocity Interesting, your 2 posts' almost at the same time, did you really watched?

[@Mastikator]

@Walhei960 Yepp, people have also done without health care for thousands of years. Obviously we can survive without most of the things we take for granted, but that doesn't mean they don't do us good or improve our living standards.

[@eeedel]

@mechupanlamonda thats a really sloppy and typical assessment.

[@nonaCbarC]

@superfuzz :D "sitting at home spamming youtube before going to work at mcdonalds" Assuming that's true, I'm not at least wasting taxpayers money. LOL Now, tell me. Are you not sitting at home spamming YT before going to work at McDonald?!! LMAO "NEXT!!!"

[@nassor02]

@SeeProfileForDetails That he still comes home everynight, loves me, helps raise the children,protects me,and fullfills other duties of a husband or boyfriend. Realistically a lot of people cheat or at least think about it at some point in their relatonship. I'd rather be in a completely monogomous relationship though.

[@jeiryasuth]

Im to lazy to listen this dude ...does he have a book about this or something an article something that do sent enolves listening?(consider it that im def)

[@SomethingSea1]

The arrows and balls shrink in size together. I wonder if the human's the exception because of the difference in cognition? Perhaps it acts as a sort of anomaligizer?

[@Libervation]

@colossus999 Family structure is very important for the psychological development in children, and the well-being of adults as well. A family structure cannot function without monogamy,..

[@GuileQwerty]

@Walhei960 Is English your first language?

[@SomethingSea1]

@drealm Are you Muslim? Fundamentalist Christian?

[@Libervation]

@xxxFaustusxxx Nothing wrong with a social construct. Humans should be monogamous.

[@Alemag_]

@wimscheers shouldn't it be the other way around? male are monogamous in theory, but not in practice. for example, marriage, or a relationship with a girlfriend. in theory you have only one partner. but, in practice most of men tend to go out or have intercourse with another partnert, outside of the relationship.

[@JoshwithaJ]

@SeeProfileForDetails I'm talking about our current moral consensus on homosexuality, not the historical one. As it is NOW, homosexuality is not a sin, or wrong, or evil in any way. Procreation used to be the prime directive, now it's better to have 2 or fewer children. It's holding on to antiquated religious beliefs that confound an otherwise pretty straight forward moral question. Do you really think homosexuality is wrong? Why? And don't give me that bible bullshit.

[@Biancapineda1]

He seems a little uncomfortable......

[@jjgrace36]

@AVW555 That is absolutely crazy. I do a number of sciences, including cognitive neuroscience, computational science and psychological science. Clinicians and neuroscientists often have no clue about statistics, which I would argue is the most applied and relevant of all the mathematics. Also, the solutions I have seen developed in psychology are often the most ingenious - cog. neuroscience is quite often content just to shove someone in a scanner, get them to whistle and call it science.

[@walterreedjr6762]

i just wanted to post some of my thoughts about promiscuity in my opinion there 3 biological reasons male promiscuity is more tolerable than female promiscuity and about 9 social reasons bio1a male can contribute to pregnancy for about 60 to 70 years of his life a woman has about 35 years bio 2 men don't have periods women have a a week about once every 3 to 4 where they have a really low chance of getting pregnant bio 3 other than being a surrogate women can't say it's not mine men can soc 1 dual parent reaction if a teenage boy is caught having sex his mother would just be really upset and his father would be just as upset but not for long and offer to get him condoms so he would be prepared. teenage girl would be instantly put on lock down for the rest of her time in high school soc 2 single parent reaction single mom catches son she going to be mad verbally threaten to kick him out and definitely scream "I ain't raisin no babies" but then contradict than statement if a baby is made. She will be said knowing that he could come home one day with news of an upcoming grandchild no condom offering. if teen son's father is still alive he will be contacted. single mom catches daughter the mom will try her best to not catch 2 assault or murder charges. the daughter won't be trusted until she gets to her 20's with no pregnancies daughter will hear" i ain't raisin no babies" but that statement will be contradicted if a baby is made or the teen is getting kicked out and baby will be raised by grandma. daughter father will be contacted but won't be asked to help. because he may have done the same. single father would worry as much as a single mother and may react like a married father, condoms maybe offered soc 3 friends reaction male promiscuity is glorified female promiscuity is no belittled. if a guy has sex with 5-6 girls in 6-8 weeks he will be praised he will hear stuff like "teach me your ways, master" "you not the only one that needs condoms" "I'm going to mars to find some chicks you haven't banged yet" women would her stuff like "i bet your legs haven't seen each other in a while" " did trojan hire you for product testing or is this freelance work" "oh look a random guy go have sex with him" soc 4 teachings young men are taught get as much as you can and or as often as you can. young women are taught wait for that special someone,you got something a lot of guys want "no romance without finance" soc 5 entertainment and media displays promiscuous men not promiscuous woman shaft, capt kirk, musicians and groupies. woman are often portrayed as sexy but not promiscuous. we often hear about entertainers and athletes cheating but not woman but we here stuff like she found a new boy toy or they just had a fling.some woman in rap music talk about their sexiness or their quality in bed. where are the female R&B singers and rappers that are frequently adding notches to their belt. name a famous woman that is a known cheater? soc 6 effort of appearance women want men that are tall, in good shape, make good money, drives a nice car, nice size house,dresses nice and smells good. women can have on that polyester shower cap bonnet looking thing a t shirts, sweat pants and house shoes and get sex soc 7 the request men have to be creative when asking for sex we say stuff like "can i come see you," "i wanna spend some time with you" "netflix and chill?" we can't say (In text or or voice) "come get some D" but a woman can text an address or say "come get some" we in the car before before you get to the e in some soc 7 careers legal or illegal there are more woman that earn a living through sex than men so in some instances promiscuity could lead to a larger (air quotes this time"customer base") soc 8 kinda expands on bio 1 and soc 5 where are the females with multiple BD's the only one i can name is Erykah Badu. young joc got 4 BMs DMX got 10 kids and i think rogers-cromartie has about 8 kids i believe. soc 9 threesomes a lot of men dream of 3somes1 guy and 2 girls, do a lot of women 2 guys at once? IDK but 2 guys is called a devil's threeesome for reason. hetero men see 3 woman going at it as a form of art but 3 men is gross in there eyes but there are others that have different opinions

[@TheWALOS]

@xxxFaustusxxx Typing at a computer = social construct. Does it make you happy?

[@angelwhite]

@watercup123456 No, "intent" requires a mind, what is the mind of evolution? What you're saying is no different than that gravity is supposed to pull the rain down, or that water is supposed to find holes and then form into a puddle whose shape perfectly matches the hole that it found. Anthropomorphism may be a useful metaphor, but you need to understand its limits. Evolution has no intent, the things you listed are merely your interpretation of meaningless brute facts.

[@hannahdargan6079]

Would be interested to see a study like this done for female mammals. Interesting nonetheless.

[@Alemag_]

@SeeProfileForDetails of course, there are exceptions( as i already apointed), to what i just said. it depends on the culture, for some it is moral crime to cheat for both sex to do it, but it is more acceptable, for the society, that man do it, rather than a women. for other cultures it is a crime in itself for the women to be promiscous. in other cultures, like in indian culture, people tend to have only one couple.humans tend to be promicous, althought, this is depending on the culture

[@DeletedDelusion]

@nonaCbarC So how would you explain the obvious anatomycal differences between those species in the relation to their thoroughly studied behavior? Way to prove your ignorance... Besides, there are many more facts that support his conclusions.

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

@SeeProfileForDetails If she never had anyone else, how would she know if he's bad or not. Also she could teach him. But anyway, that kind of thing is a matter of opinion and people shouldn't judge others for what they want to do with their life. Unlike that idiot who condemns what others do...

[@jx14aby]

STOP CIRCUMCISION NOW!

[@PureLiberalFire]

Loose speculation. Not too perceptive...

[@HaphazardCrappola]

@endauthority mean while single mothers in the US are mostly found to be living in poverty.

[@drealm]

@PePeLeNeW The merit is survival, this should suffice enough. But if you need more "merit", none-promiscuous societies also have higher birth rates and over the long run climb higher on the cultural ladder. A highly cultured promiscuous society is not a correlative standard as liberals would argue, rather it's circumstantial anomaly built up by previous monogamous generations that will correct itself downward in the next generation.

[@sandrahunter5904]

I think he's crazy. I think his talk needs to be peer reviewed. Then I will accept that.

[@danumba1drumma]

is this science...really?

[@SomethingSea1]

@drealm Which still fits which the thought of finding multiple partners, and then settling with the best one.

[@HaphazardCrappola]

@endauthority Oh they "fell" into it. Hilarious. Insults are not cute. Case dismissed.

[@HitmarkJ]

monogamy is boring.

[@Umbalafum]

@fjaoaoaoao - yeah, more intellectual input - brain overheated - more inhibited - socially deprived ;o))

[@bavwill]

@SeeProfileForDetails "al quadi" *snicker X)

[@nonaCbarC]

@fuzzjunky :D I will let you have the last words, since you take this seriously. LOL "NEXT!!!"

[@dontforgetthisnameah]

@bertmarx its called money n' corruption 'son

[@SomethingSea1]

@dontforgetthisnameah Otherwise known as Statism.

[@HaphazardCrappola]

@endauthority OMG i agree the US of A is a country with bad economic system. Finally we can agree on something! :D

[@mysund]

@HitmarkJ All board-games are boring. :P

[@SomethingSea1]

@nassor02 To each their own.

[@angelwhite]

@watercup123456 No, I agree, which is why religiously infused words like "intent" and "should" and "shouldn't" and "meaning" and "purpose" are so problematic. And especially, drawing conclusions about objective meaning out of this mess is absurd. To tell people that they are *supposed* to fuck is absurd. I'm glad you finally admit you agree with me, and in the future, I suggest you avoid the problematic terminology of anthropomorphism.

[@casanova0102]

lol

[@Phelan666]

I blame Communists.

[@nonaCbarC]

This guy probably gets fundings for this. LMAO Psychology is a joke.

[@SomethingSea1]

@Atheistprimate SHHHHH!

[@nonaCbarC]

@superfuzz :D You went to check my Ch!! LOL You are taking this too seriously, aren't you?!! LOL "Next!!"

[@nonaCbarC]

@superfuzz :D Keep spamming, don't you?!! LOL Keep it up. :D "NEXT!!!"

[@Mastikator]

@maxistsocialist You can't seriously be saying that pedophilia and rape are caused by lack of sexual stimulation?