Harvard Becomes Latest School To Reinstate Standardized Tests For Undergrads

[@jerrymiller9039]

Too little too late. Their credibility is long gone

[@HenrySavageMode]

no it's not.

[@TheVietnam0725]

​@@HenrySavageMode yes it is

[@BC-vt2nv]

I wonder if they are pumping out the airplane mechanics these days😅😅

[@HenrySavageMode]

@@TheVietnam0725 is that why their acceptance rate is less than 4% this year? Is that why it ranks #4 in employability? Its recent troubles will have little impact on its long term credibility

[@duinay3]

Yup, they are a joke 😂

[@muddymo7641]

And it's simple. And keep the bs out of it

[@Cha-y412]

Harvard is like the FBI, once a great American institution, now just a bad joke.

[@SushiGaming_YT]

how is the fbi a joke

[@Juicedude502]

The FBI was never great tho always been dirty and undermined the actual citizens and only protected the government

[@grantog123]

​@SushiGaming_YT guess they aren't maga enough for trump supporters.

[@Cha-y412]

@@KathleenHenson-hy6sg Yours was fried along time ago

[@BWolf00]

@@SushiGaming_YT The FBI shattered the illusion they were a non-partisan justice department...they are now wholeheartedly an institutional swamp creature.

[@oddlypositive3602]

They'll be sure to plagiarize people with actual skills and talent I am sure.

[@trackgrad08]

Yep! ChatGPT papers and cheating to the left and to the right!

[@VerifiedVIPMember]

All college kids are doing it with AI now.

[@whiteorchid5412]

You mean like the way Melania Trump blatentently plagiarized the speech Michelle Obama wrote?

[@Avarcirith]

I had no idea schools even got rid of these. What the heck?

[@bobmahnamahknob]

The DEI movement was (is) all about that. I think we may be seeing the other side - I sure hope we make it.

[@lizhongshen]

Because math is racist.😂

[@malhunt7]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂​@@KathleenHenson-hy6sg

[@loridavis5699]

Just like Boeing all their planes are galling apart in the air due to DEI

[@theophrastus3.056]

OMG! That's barely even the half of it: Their President was a DEI hire with little actual postgraduate work, and a portion of that included plagiarized material. And she couldn't quite bring herself to criticize the genocide of Jews! Harvard is a 🤡🌎!

[@pascalouellette8516]

Merit based test have always been one of the best tools for student enrollment

[@trackgrad08]

Best? Ha!

[@sonaliv1489]

Yes best. gpa is a horrible tool for students selection, it can be inflated easily. Extra curriculars too can be made up as we saw the lori loughlin case.

[@jackm8556]

@@trackgrad08 "one" of the best. read.

[@darscassel]

How much does it cost to prepare for these exams? 😂😂😂 It’s all a joke

[@victoza9232]

Standards. What a concept.

[@nev.catalyst7478]

I guess they realized standards were not waycist after all

[@salepromo]

Except that a single point in time, such as a standardized test, isn’t always representative of the student. I got good, but not phenomenal, scores on my ACT. I think 27 or 26. I went to college and got a 3.95 over the course of four years and graduated summa cum laude. Why? Because I busted my butt and put in the work. I failed my first organic chemistry exam, badly. But I got an -A through hard work in class, the homework, and lab. People are more than one single test, and I think using that for admissions is detrimental to a lot of great students

[@victoza9232]

@@salepromo That's why SAT scores have always been assessed along with GPAs and other factors, such as extracurricular activities. Having a test is better than not having one. A standardized test measures the abilities of all students equally, hence the term "standardized." However, one may be a good student, but choke on tests. Ideally, the admissions board would take that into consideration Sure, we can all improve over time, but admissions boards doing longitudinal studies on students would be impossible and impractical. A snapshot of the student's abilities at that "single point in time" is more practical. We all have to perform in the clutch at times, whether it be a test or a job interview. With a job interview, you often get one shot, and can't go back a few weeks later exclaiming, "Wait! Wait! I'm better now. Give me another chance!" 😄

[@salepromo]

@@victoza9232 I appreciate the well worded reply. A few things though. I understand where your coming from, performing in the moment is important, and these tests are standardized like you say, to provide the most even assessment and whatnot. I think in a perfect world, colleges would require one or the other. You would get a chance to prove who you are. As for the job interview, I also think they stink, but there’s not much you can do about ‘em.

[@victoza9232]

@@salepromo Why choose one or the other? It's stronger when they're combined, as it gives a more complete picture of the applicant. A good student SHOULD be able to do well on the test, and doing well would back up that student's GPA. Check out those 'man on the street" interviews with college students. It's appalling and disheartening how utterly stupid many of these college kids are, and it really makes me wonder how they ever got into college in the first place. They can't answer simple questions like, "How many weeks are in a year" or "What's 3 cubed" or "Name three other countries besides the U.S." Lowering standards, like removing SATs from the mix, will only lead to more of this craziness. I'm glad to see Harvard is reinstating the SAT. It's a start.

[@alicemattsen2208]

They sure have lots of excuses. Money and politics speak louder than truth.

[@cmeflywva]

Exactly, that's how Kushner was accepted into Harvard. His father donated $3 million to Havard right before Kushner applied to Harvard.

[@D.N..]

Why would anyone want to attend a nut house like Harvard ?

[@Krack2805]

yea look at ben shapiro LOL

[@grantog123]

Like Ted Cruz?

[@VerifiedVIPMember]

For puSSY

[@cmeflywva]

​@grantog123 Ron DeSantis going to Yale as an undergraduate and Havard Law School. Mitt Romney, Ted Cruz, and Tom Cotton all went to Harvard. Those globalist the Republican party hates so much and spreads misinformation has a fine member - John Kennedy from Louisiana. He went to Oxford University and used to brag about it until it became uncool. These individuals are telling the general public that people shouldn't go to colleges, especially Ivy League school because they're full of leftist communists who hate our country and don't put America first. They had no qualms about going to these "fancy leftists schools who spread nothing but hatred and destroy the Constitution and democracy. But yet they went and they're sending their children to these fancy leftist learning universities, yet they claim the sole intention of these institutions are to destroy the country. They tell YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN not to go to college because you'll be groomed and indoctrinated. Have you ever wondered why they went to these schools but tell you not to go? Why are telling not to let your children not to go? Because they don't want you to be educated. If you learn, you can question, and utilize critical thinking. They will have complete control and you won't have the education to recognize what they're doing. They're already successful. Read the comments - they're all full of negativity about Ivy league schools and the "leftists" that go there. They're not only being negative about Ivy league schools but any college. You're being distracted by their rhetoric and as a result they're taking advantage of you.

[@BWolf00]

Most are "nut houses" but some provide serious bragging rights and perceived economic benefits...so Harvard and the like provide a person a leg up. This type of thing will never change, even if Harvard fails, another will take it's place. The solution make them all "state" universities...and that's sure to kill America's standing on the world's educational stage.

[@IceDraco7]

Harvard sucks

[@Woeisme2]

All colleges suck its a scam

[@whiteorchid5412]

I'm guessing you aren't a Harvard graduate...lol

[@robertMSP19]

ALL THESES contortions and sophistry-----all because we can't admit and see what's right in front of us.

[@kirerunte1046]

People hate truth and morals and they worship money like God and these are the consequences, enjoy

[@aln5832]

End legacy admissions.

[@Roundpeg-Squarehole]

You know they'll still be admitting under qualified people on the down low.

[@viaaustralia5388]

Employing anybody from Harvard would be completely foolish.

[@DECEPTICON33]

Well then you need to go to the Capitol Hill and go to the Senate and to the House of Representatives and go and kick out a lot of people because most of them were hired because they went to Harvard aside from the fact that also they ran campaigns that were dubious probably in many cases and a lot of them happen to be from Red States so let's be real as they say.

[@Educated2Extinction]

People have always been hired based on connections, and that's what Harvard is all about.

[@TylerG393]

​@@Educated2Extinctionto what extent? For corporate jobs I absolutely agree with that, but for low/mid level state/federal positions you get the job if you meet the criteria.

[@grantog123]

​@@TylerG393people from ivy league schools aren't applying for those jobs though.

[@g.t.richardson6311]

@@Educated2Extinction to some extent true, especially for first job It also works against you at other companies. For a couple years my dad recruited for one top 10 banks for corporate and commercial loan officers, (then he went back into his regular job there in that department ).. Human Resources had nothing to do with hiring these positions, line officers did it because they knew what they wanted and who was successful….. they were not interested in any Ivy League except Penn. too many hires that didn’t work out.

[@randomcertainty2079]

They didn't say anything about eliminating points preferences or racial considerations.

[@yawbamoah2217]

Haven’t they done that already?

[@pumpkinface8151]

You mean pity points for "equality"

[@eehlohluell]

​@yawbamoah2217 if they did on paper, they most certainly haven't in practice. You can't stop crappy people from being crappy just by telling them they are crappy and should stop being crappy. It took this long to find out the President of Harvard was corrupt, and that's a highly public position, imagine how many students and professors have been flying under the radar straight out of these institutions that most definitely rode off their once earned prestige. It is not the place to be anymore, it hasn't been, and it's just now their house of cards are collapsing over them.

[@georgesheffield1580]

Points like Daddies $$$$$

[@malhunt7]

​@@pumpkinface8151😂😂😂 fool

[@makeroftoys]

Not one school uses standardized testing exclusively. MIT specifically allows a percentage of students admission who have done badly on the SAT…But who shines brightly in other areas. Standardized testing is one tool used to understand student potential.

[@Krack2805]

imagine being logical in front of an audience of fox viewers LOL

[@sandman38111]

Maker of toys: That's sensible..

[@sandman38111]

​​@@Krack2805 Hey Mr. Deplorable here Want to give me a go? Now I understand MSNBC and The View perceive conservatives as shall we say the shallow end of the gene pool ? What would you like to discuss? You pick the topic but can we stay away from science ? We all know that conservatives don't believe in science so that topic would be unfair to me. I can understand if you want to avoid talking about math being all icky and racist and stuff. History ? Hmmm.. from umm what point of view ? The conquered or the conquerors ? That would just bring up that whole stolen land thing... Then I'd have to use the example of the Ben & Jerry's thing... And then we'd probably run into the sticky topic of slavery, where Bill Maher said it best "everyone who could afford to own a slave had a slave"...ok.. no history.. Geopolitics !!! We could talk about how 25 years of NATO encroachment towards Russia and Western influence in the Ukraine led to what would have and Should have been a brief regional dustoff . But once again thanks to Western..aka NATO interference how the whole thing has blossomed bringing us to the brink of WWIII !! Nahhh.. then I'd have to bring up the part of the NATO charter that specifies NATO can only provide non member nations with defensive military aide but if they fast track Ukrainian membership then NATO can send Troops to Ukraine !!! Won't that be fun ?? Yeah we probably better not talk... After all, I'm really too busy clinging to my Bible and guns and admiring that stupid old flag... Do have a good evening and don't be so condescending...

[@markj9544]

When affirmative action went terribly wrong.

[@Keshly16]

I'm confused, it's no longer a thing. Why are you keep talking about it? FOLLOW THE FUCKING NEWS!

[@malhunt7]

Legacy admissions = affirmative action. Zero difference.

[@melbournechugging2999]

Better go to a community college

[@alonzosurrette3717]

What? That's not even close to being correct. Go to Harvard. If you can get into an Ivy or Stanford (or MIT if it pays), then go. If you can't get in, then you're right. State schools are probably a better option.

[@stevecooper7883]

​@@alonzosurrette3717State schools are useless. Community College degrees are just as good for employment, which isn't saying much. Harvard and Ivy League schools are more for the networking and nepotism than for the degree

[@scarlett1481]

why look down on community colleges? it’s just an option for people that can’t afford to pay the outrageous tuition these institutions require, community colleges have more credibility than ivy leagues nowadays anyways

[@WorldifySanity]

Better to go to a trade school. Unless you're going to college for a specific degree like medicine, law, STEM, etc, it's useless.

[@jimlongino8420]

It's about time. How else can they compare potential students fairly?

[@FlexibleFlyer50]

Grade inflation is rampant in grade schools and high schools across the US. Social promotion is the norm. When you have a US Congresswoman saying the moon is made of gases, then you know the education system has failed a large segment of society. The SATs are needed to show how much students have actually learned throughout their schooling, and the test has always proven to be a good indicator of how students will perform in college. Time to reset things and look at hard core academics and not volunteer work, community organization, sports, etc.

[@sandman38111]

Hey, isn't she of the same party as Hank Johnson who asked a full on 4-star Navy admiral if Guam would tip over ? I admire Admiral Willard..How he didn't fall over laughing....I know I did

[@TXFarmRoad]

DEI Backfire

[@tboy80z]

I know why. Thats because chosen (cant say the word) is worried about pro Palestinian groups rising so they are now pushing for Trump to win and pushing for silly left wing polices out of universities etc. I notice things like that who really rules/runs us. I wish our people would wake up and band as one but we NEVER do. All other groups do but us. Makes me sad. Smh

[@tboy80z]

Funny my comment got banned.

[@TXFarmRoad]

@@tboy80z Not surprised... I find that's a regular occurrence

[@teresaodle857]

If you want an education nothing will stop you, if you dont nothing will make you.

[@edwinrivera5335]

If we want education to be the route to success then we should make access to a high quality educational across the country. Try learning history or math in a dilapidated classroom with old books and a teacher who doesn't understand your culture at home and thinks you are dumb because the results of a test taken by you in your less resourced school is being compared to those of the students who have access to some of the best resources not just in their state but sometimes better equipment and material than other countries.

[@shadygunshow]

I mean - Google? Everybody got that right?!?!

[@Krack2805]

yea if u wanna be a useless conspiracy brain thats usually too poor to not be selfish, go for it.

[@tboy80z]

​@edwinrivera5335 That why diversity doesn't work. Teacher shouldn't be forced to know youe culture at home. Why do people demand quality where certain groups live? That is racist.

[@edwinrivera5335]

@@tboy80z you can't take away someone's culture. Not even yours if you try. It's a part of our every day. And think about your statement deeply and reflect on it for a minute.

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[@Aninhafeldman]

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[@staceyere]

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[@immigrant6902]

They are trying to do it honestly? Hard to believe.

[@malachiwhite5955]

I’m so confused why they took them away I go to an hbcu and you got to have at least a 26 on the ACT

[@MichaelCyrus88]

Ah yes. Segregation schools. Racist.

[@nev.catalyst7478]

because they were sold the idea that the tests were waycist

[@Brian-qg9bm]

HARVARD?! ick. Is that still a thing?

[@MrVarsityphysics]

The world is healing, but never forget who sold out

[@fidesedquivide3486]

Stop hiring affirmative actioned staff members too. Fire the ones you have.

[@aln5832]

I agree. Legacy admissions suck. People like Trump and Jared Kushner didn’t have the smarts for college only resources.

[@eehlohluell]

Completely agree. That Harvard President didn't get there by accident, she got there because these people allowed and encouraged it when they should have been meticulous about the merit of these people, rather than their sob stories or whatever else they've been using to choose their diversity hires. Utterly disgusting institution.

[@fidesedquivide3486]

@@aln5832 : At least their checks paid for a lot of scholarships. Legacy administration is a fact of life, better than the PC admissions. Those subpar students and staff members are not the abused slaves, they are from either third world countries or rich Americans.

[@TheVietnam0725]

​@aln5832 I agree with eliminating legacy admissions, but.....reading comprehension is hard. The comment was about affirmative action. You knew that though, you're just obsessed with DT and couldn't help but bring him up.

[@designereyebags]

@@TheVietnam0725and you’re still about vietnam, a war we lost, given your username. didn’t get that camaro after getting your leg blown off? 😂

[@apophisxo4480]

As much as we hate taking them, they are definitely the best way (currently) to predict future performance. Poor test taking skills for whatever reason, anxiety, poverty, abuse at home, still predicts future performance better than any of the currently available alternatives.

[@otisspunkmeyer9339]

Go to a community college you’ll get a better education that doesn’t cost squat and YOU WONT GET RADICALIZED

[@Krack2805]

lol talking about college like they know anything

[@brandonwiles-n8t]

Lmao no.

[@Drganguli]

Standardized tests were key to what made the US higher education system great. I know guys who were weak in SAT English and math and opted for Canada or Australia as international students as they could not do the SAT well. The fact that SAT math with complex numbers is required for studying humanities and social science in the US shows the high education level. And the high end vocabulary needed for the reticent and taciturn STEM majors!

[@hellokittyninja5968]

Hear Australia is really weak in higher education

[@Drganguli]

@@hellokittyninja5968 yes but there are some good universities but these are few in number

[@pascalouellette8516]

Forbes seems afraid to have a news caster of these negative to liberal headlines and instead uses a type of AI generated text and music...

[@pacoo3712]

Can the students that failed out because of the removal of standards sue? They were lied to and promised that college was their best option in life but after years of wasted money and time they're actually set back in life.

[@chad5893]

This was implemented because of and during covid. All this did was remove the testing threshold because of the limitations placed because of covid. What are you talking about?

[@ellenlee1]

@@chad5893 how does a student with low test score compete with those with a high test score? The school is stealing their money. Now they have no degree and a big loan to pay off.

[@Blank-zz2eq]

​@@chad5893looks like a lot of people forgot that one it was only supposed to be for the year covid hit when they started closing schools and sending everyone home to home school it should have been given the next year but they've tried to pretend it's something new and everything is not about DEI those tests just prove you actually learned something in high school and didn't just float through

[@Blank-zz2eq]

If you went and took philosophy or some remedial business classes or just went and got an associates degree in tree hugging that's your fault if you took nursing or something in the medical field became a lawyer or an accountant ,a teacher something needed and worth spending the money on them you have a job all college majors don't lead to jobs and big bucks if you go use your head and major in something that gives you a job it's simple

[@JBBost]

@@Blank-zz2eq That's a very short-sighted view that I think even you would disagree with if you saw the results of a world without liberal studies

[@buixote]

Good news for the testing companies.

[@RMBlake007]

Reminds me of Oregon recriminalizing hard drugs. Ooops, that didn't work out like we thought...gotta go back now. It's NEVER easy going back once damage is done folks!!

[@wilfdarr]

I don't have a degree and I knew exactly how well this would go, so how did a bunch of Harvard educators not understand how that was going to go? Maybe they're not the school you want educating your kids after all...

[@sunburntsatan6475]

They think it's their undergrads? Maybe it's more likely to be many tenured faculty acting poorly without consequence or scrutiny. You're better off somewhere else, anyway.

[@WilliamsPinch]

We did SAT and ACT prep from sophomore year when I was in high school. I don’t think there were ever any honor students who weren’t banking on those scores qualifying them for college admission. What a weird time.

[@brandonwiles-n8t]

Also end legacy admission, it's a pure nonsense.

[@tupak169]

I attended Stanford with a SAT score of 1560. I was fuming when they lifted the requirement during COVID.

[@_mergg]

Remember when Harvard thought calling for Intifada was permissible? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@GRB777]

The background music is great. I wish they'd list the track title and artist.

[@sifuentest987]

Dancing away Altitude music

[@GRB777]

@@sifuentest987 Thank you!

[@emersonshiff8132]

May your heart surgeon have a Social Justice medical degree!

[@trondeaf]

😂😂😂 touché

[@edwinrivera5335]

Lol people who are not college educated making assumptions about those who are 😂. It doesn't take a heart surgeon to know they won't be giving your medical license if you can't do what another doctor could.

[@Bob-ly4dy]

@@edwinrivera5335 It also doesn't take a heart surgeon to know that lowering standards based on racial or gender backgrounds is a bad idea.

[@edwinrivera5335]

@@Bob-ly4dy lowering standards where? Please explain. Because to me it sounds like you're misunderstanding how being qualified to do your job works

[@edwinrivera5335]

@@Bob-ly4dy you can't just be a doctor because you want to be a doctor. You won't graduate even if you get in (unless you're qualified of course). Cmon

[@robertmandell526]

True Story: Only took the SAT (in early 60s) when I heard about it in high school as something good to do to go to college. Did reasonable mid 700s, about 1500+ total. Got good "average" of 92% (back then high schools ACTUALLY GRADED ON ACTUAL PERCENTAGES!), at Bronx High School of Science, NYC. Went to school in California, UC Berkeley, then UCLA. All 3000+ starting undegraduates required to take ANOTHER in house "SAT" upon registration. I took it. Thought it was a joke. UCLA sent me a letter saying I was in top 103 of the total 3000+ and admitted to the Gifted Student Program. And the ENTIRE UC SYSTEM (at that time) only admitted Cal resident students from the academic top 10 percent. It was then I fully realized and appreciated what a brutal, rigorous academic hothouse was Bronx Science. Eight graduate awarded a Nobel Prize (7 in Physics, 1 in Chemistry). All this is to point out how important is a brutally hard and rigorous high school education! From what I've seen of high school graduates last 20+ years, the standing rule is 'paas em through, there's more cattle coming in the door!'.

[@IIINickodemusIII]

Thank you Forbes for another power point presentation

[@lhaley9873]

They've proved how easily superior feeling people are brainwashed.

[@JohnD-JohnD]

Are they admitting they were wrong? Instead of lowering the bar for some people... They should look into how to help those people reach the bar. Lowering the standard isn't helping anyone.

[@logickedmazimoon6001]

How is lowering the standards not helping people?

[@JohnD-JohnD]

@@logickedmazimoon6001 When you lower the standards, you don't push people to try harder. You fail to bring out the best in people, and in some circumstances, when standards are lowered, you put lives in danger.

[@logickedmazimoon6001]

@@JohnD-JohnD That doesnt reflect reality. Sat and act scores correlate closely with how much wealth someone may have and thats because they have access to far more resources and time. It only brings out the wealthy, not the best

[@TheMcquiniff]

What could cause them to have to wait until 2029 that could not be reversed or undone? By waiting who are they being loyal to?

[@hanooi7450]

Says Class of 2029. So kicks in for students entering next year, 2025.

[@boinknook]

my co-worker's son graduated a school that didn't even require a standardized test to get in. He applied to many law schools and all accepted him. His father couldn't afford the tuition so they chose the cheapest one.🤭 Today he's a practicing attorney. It's called the American dream folks.❤

[@chillie2552]

Yes!! I’m back in business-made a small fortune tutoring students for the SATs-side note-love the music-does anyone know the name of this instrumental beautiful music?

[@tankeater]

For the year of 2029????? So for 7th graders right now???????????? BUHAHAHAHAHAHA what uh 🤡 show.

[@ronaldbrouhard1247]

Harvard & the rest of these colleges need to get rid of every marxist-friendly professor clear up to the Dean, & get back to EDUCATING, not indoctrination.

[@edwinrivera5335]

When did you graduate from college? You must not know the history of higher education if you believe this.

[@wilsonhasalastname3381]

I would like to see transparency what demographic shift would occur.

[@batsonelectronics]

Holly shit, back in the 80's when I graduated HS, Harvard was hard to get into. You needed a 25+ ACT score. ( same as Georgia Tech where I wanted to go ) No wonder the quality of people graduating there has gotten shitty, money gets anyone in, not a proper high score on the sat/act. Well, that explains Ted Cruze's law degree.

[@RandyRibbon]

The LSAT was not among the tests made optional.

[@ParticleLarry]

Who's Ted Cruze?

[@Keshly16]

You kidding, back in the 80's all you needed was connections. If you were black and had a decent background story with a decent GPA, BOOM! you are in.

[@Keshly16]

In the 80's the acceptance rate was around nearly 40 percent, wtf are you talking about?

[@batsonelectronics]

@@artandarchitecture6399 back in the 80's, 18 was average for schools like Alabama and Georgia, 25 was for Ivy league. The ACT scoring is different now.

[@lopezb]

Good! The tendency has been for the standards to drop. This is one more very useful metric. Also, I doubt if people can cheat when taking those tests. A friend of mine gets applications to her university and all the Letters now sound the same. She put the question into ChatGPT and that’s exactly what it produced. Needless to say, they don’t get accepted.

[@tjackson2411]

Ok cool-Does anyone know the artist or group playing in the background music?

[@carolbradley6826]

It’s about time and it should be done every year in HS. We need to take responsibility for education rather than just moving through schools. When I was in school it was very simple - if you pass you pass and if you fail you fail. If this can be restored in HS, then the colleges wouldn’t need to HAVE to administer standardized test. And, that’s the truth!

[@jennieg.8943]

Regardless of who you accept- it’s who you graduate and sign off on as having your university’s brand- you own it. There are a lot of graduates from these universities making a mockery of your university brands. Graduate them responsibly, please.

[@peteshour768]

The application is simple to get accepted. The first space says, Print Name. Keep it simple and just do what it says. Print: NAME. You will be sure to be accepted.

[@williamwatterson8711]

Is this a reaction to DEI?

[@dreichert1438]

It's a reaction to lowered standards of education. How in the hell are you going to admit someone to one of the most esteemed universities in the country without standardized testing? We couldn't leave high school without It whether we were going to college or not

[@ianswift3521]

nope they still have claudine yay on the payroll...

[@JBBost]

@@dreichert1438 There are pitfalls to standardized testing that leave out a lot of people, especially poor people

[@garretmorris6237]

Yes, but in a deceptive way.. SAT scores have a 98.6 % correlation rate to standard IQ scores, if you score a perfect SAT (1600) your IQ is 150-155. Too many blk students don’t do well in this category, even if they have perfect GPAs. One can’t exactly study for SATs/ACTs, one could increase it by 5-7% but that’s just because your getting your full potential out, through heavy studying

[@dreichert1438]

@@JBBost well if you don't Have a proper education it would be pretty hard to get through Harvard wouldn't it? Not to mention a complete waste of taxpayers money paying for your education when a degree from most any college will suffice these days. But I do understand what you're saying. We need to raise the standard of high school education instead of lowering the standard of college education from which people are expected to have careers that entail being good enough at your job for others lives to depend on it. No excuse

[@fragdude]

When did they drop the standardized tests? I must have been under a rock…. Regardless, why not keep them? The math is at best 9th grade level stuff. Don’t know about the newer English tests (I was one of the last years to take the 2 part SAT), but figure it shouldn’t be that hard for students. Particularly applying to top tier universities. ACT is a bit more rounded out content wise, but still very very doable for students applying to top tier schools.

[@qazmko22]

The reason they are doing this has nothing to do with the quality of the SAT, and everything to do with Harvard's Administration. With the SAT back on the application, they can go to their donors and ask for more money because: "This year has been the most exclusive year in Harvard's history". While GPA is subjective across schools.. it's still the best way to tell if a student can turn assignments in on time; the SAT is just redundant.

[@JuanSanchez-tu3dc]

No Federal research money or guaranteed student loans for colleges using DEI. No federal government hiring or any graduates from these places. We’ll see how far their endowment gets them.

[@rickhalverson2252]

We will consider test scores along with "other factors"... Wow! That school should lose all accreditation and funding. Shut that asylum down.

[@kashmoney7421]

Imagine the beauty of being in a competition in which you are the player and the ref and the commissioner and can just set any rules any time you want and interpret existing rules anyway you want. I mean is there really anyway you can lose 😂

[@preferanonymous]

The SAT and ACT are incredibly useful for places like Harvard. Someone scoring in the top 5-10% on those tests *definitely* has an incredibly high aptitude. Scores below that range, though? Eh, not as useful to anyone any more.

[@darthnihilus511]

That didn’t take long. They have much more to do

[@cracktmonkey3472]

I feel it's going to be ten years until you can trust a Harvard graduate to be worth much.

[@nobodynothing00000]

These tests were not racists, they were designed to show who would #1 at least get through the first year and #2 show who could definitely matriculate. Even as far back as 1994 colleges started letting everyone in. My brother the idiot graduated high school with a 1.7 GPA, still got accepted into Radford University in Virginia and he was asked not to come back from thanksgiving break of his first semester there, the idiot never even went to one single class just slept in late and went to parties.

[@themack9933]

Smart enough to not waste four years on a useless degree.

[@randallgoldapp9510]

People have to know how well they are doing. These tests give them some idea.

[@nirradical]

What the hell... They seriously stopped requiring ACT and SAT scores?

[@bobmahnamahknob]

Buh buh - muh raycisms!

[@INTERNERT]

anyone have a source for the music?

[@grantog123]

It's awesome right?

[@Grayson950815]

lol an “Ivy League” without standardized tests??….

[@tamarascharck6927]

Seriously they should require them of everyone attending who did not take them to get in!

[@winnepeterson6570]

Well, I would hope so!!

[@davinxi5926]

Why make it requirement and then option and then required again

[@georgesheffield1580]

You mean the legacy kids will have to start paying a substitute to take the SAT for them again , wow!

[@JayKno420]

Nobody's falling for the class argument anymore and it's hurting Asian and Indian Americans who arent rich more than anything

[@joebeezy9471]

Anyone who has a degree from these “ivy-league” schools during the timeframe of no standardized tests has a piece of paper with zero value.

[@EarlHall-zi4cm]

Should never have gotten rid of standardize tests to begin with. To think, They paid some genius to implement that lousy idea. Now to restore their credibility and standards they are back to where they should not have left

[@Whet-wb9jt]

Of course they have

[@Blank-zz2eq]

All schools from kindergarten on should have standardized tests thats how you know whether students are learning and at what level it's ridiculous not to

[@irynatrach8361]

What’s with the background music? It’s very distracting.

[@Mr_Mustache_og]

They got rid of the SAT and ACT?

[@marie22213]

Everyone should be tested for evrything. Im 29 and remeber taking tests for eveything & i enjoyed it. Hard or not, it PROVED to MYSELF that i was capable. No one speaks on self judgment they just thinkmof someone grading the papers. If your never challeneged then how would you knowmif yiu really know anything. I think thats why this nee generation reads a book or takes a class & their experts. Not just because they're narcs nut when you grow up never being tested by anyone,even yourself ehyay else can tou do besides say " yup i took the class & i know now". Id have no idea what i really need to improve in if i wasn't tested in life.

[@stoneymcneal2458]

Bottom line, there will be a substantial number of not-so-well educated people who will have passed through Harvard’s doors before they reinstate entrance standards.

[@johnlansing2902]

What about the only thing that matters … DEI ? Surgeons picked by DEI ? Plane mechanics picked by DEI ? Or is the school no longer super liberal ?

[@gashousegorillas1]

Worst school in boston

[@lionheart93]

Interesting why the change????

[@iborg7301]

I have faith in Harvard’s ability to find a “back door” process to insure DEI is part of the admissions equation.

[@JoeBob189]

I don't think anyone would be sad if Harvard closed down for good

[@e.gadd.1]

What if I look a certain way. I still get better test grading right, more jobs, more promotions cuz my looks?

[@e.gadd.1]

Oh wait no that was people that DONT look like me that get the special breaks. Bummer 😞

[@hectorquintana5219]

All universities need to utilize ACT and SAT scores accordingly. Testing is a means, one means of determining do you qualify? Your melanin count does not matter. Do you qualify ?

[@sandman38111]

Hey Hector. I didn't take the SAT or ACT. I was rejected by the university I wanted to attend . So like a good Marine I outflanked them. I enrolled in a couple summer courses, Bio 101 then Bio 102. Scored an A and a B.. I presented my grades to the admissions office and they welcomed me for the fall term. Maybe if universities offered that option??

[@FunnyTCDTCDFunny]

Still don't want any kids in our family to go to Harvard ! 0 respect, 0 trust !

[@richardtibbetts574]

OMG!! THAT’S RACIST!!!😂😂

[@alexanderdantonio8999]

What?! You mean understanding core educational curriculums like science math computers and reading comprehension IS important when trying to get into uni. Shocking!

[@gannicusfinch7068]

I feel this is prejudiced against kids who are lazy and unintelligent.

[@georgecastanza6952]

Kind of too late. They have already used DEI and sent people that are not as intellectually strong as their BS degree is.

[@dariusdaguerre3535]

Notice what was missing? An explanation for the reversion. Know what would have been amazing? An explanation like this: "We found that the students who were supposed to be helped by not requiring standardized tests, blacks and Hispanics, were failing courses and dropping out at far higher rates than previously, and since Harvard does not offer remedial courses, we decided that attempting to assess black and Hispanic applicants suitability to attend Harvard and succeed would best be served by the use of an objective metric time-tested as a good predictor of academic success." The present silence is an indication that telling the truth about racial criteria is still taboo.

[@cesarmo469]

Will they have a race-based DEI system to “eliminate” racism?