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Ford 351 Clevor engine

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Myvintageiron7512

Myvintageiron7512

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351/427 stroker engine
Parts list
Scat crankshaft 4-351W-4000-6200
weighted Balancer SCA8006
Mahle Pistons 930248430 also may use SBF245030126
H-beam Rods 6625021 also may use 2-350-6250-2100
Edelbrock Heads 61695

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@Nicks66Service
@Nicks66Service 4 жыл бұрын
He's back, and not a moment too soon, the i-dotter, T-crosser and careful measurer- the anti-Uncle Tony.
@wheelieking71
@wheelieking71 4 жыл бұрын
I love Uncle Tony! But, that is so funny!
@jonmac155
@jonmac155 4 жыл бұрын
Come on. It's like Star Trek or Star Wars, Sunsets Or Sun Rises, Boobs or Bums. I'm gonna keep watching all of them.
@Nicks66Service
@Nicks66Service 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonmac155 Of course! Ford or GM, Ovaltine or Quik, beers or vodka, laughs or education, it's all good.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! I am also a fan of Uncle Tony
@alanhardman2447
@alanhardman2447 4 жыл бұрын
@@Nicks66Service - "Beers or vodka"? Are you serious? What have you been drinking?
@williamoleschoolarendt7016
@williamoleschoolarendt7016 4 жыл бұрын
I've built 3 Ford small blocks! A 2v Cleveland 4V Cleveland and a 351 Windsor! The 4v was the fastest of the 3 running 11.40s and the 2v ran low 12s and a couple of times it broke a high 11! The Windsor ran 11.90s and broke a high 11.80!!! The Windsor had a Trick flow head where the Clevelands had factory heads with mild port jobs!!! Both were impressive!!!! The cars that these went into were a 73 Cougar xr7 with a 4sd transmission!!!
@johnmckamy6398
@johnmckamy6398 2 жыл бұрын
People that are building an engine could really benefit from these videos and save money in the process. Excellent information.
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915
@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915 2 жыл бұрын
Since I watched your 'Headflow vs. Camshaft' explanation videos (pt1 and pt2) long long ago, I have YET to find another KZbin channel that explains the basic relationship better (or even close to) the job that YOU do explaining it. While Engine Builders may have a 'magic' combination for certain builds, at least I can add my 2 cents now and argue a few points back that I couldn't before thanks to you. Now that you are more familiar with how KZbin works, it would be worthwhile re-visiting those basic topics (along with others) for new viewers. Your info is priceless.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 2 жыл бұрын
wow Thanks
@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
YES YES YES, piston speed. Now this is something people don't often talk about!
@pedrotheswift5937
@pedrotheswift5937 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back! This vid will go over gangbusters in Australia,, a country literally full of Clevelands and Windsors,,
@narmale
@narmale 3 жыл бұрын
hardly... they have CHI heads down there... edelbroke doesnt stand anywhere close to them 260 cfm vs 430... not even the same city, let alone same ballpark
@davetommy351
@davetommy351 3 жыл бұрын
fuck that
@thehappytexan
@thehappytexan 4 жыл бұрын
That’s a very good explanation for dual pattern cams without losing the attention of those who don’t know. It’s a useful crutch to overcome poor exhaust flow ratio. I had a friend years ago with a fully built 4v Cleveland in a 70 mach 1 and that thing pulled super hard. He couldn’t beat my 400 sbc, but after the 400 disintegrated a piston, his Cleveland was an even match for the 355 I put in. The exhaust note on his Cleveland was amazing. If I ever own a Ford, it will be a 70 Mach 1.
@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee
@Dallas-Rife-UDX-347-Tennessee 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not a gear-head, but I understand the basics. You’re videos are always very informative, and we all appreciate your attitude of not being a “know it all” . I can tell you speak from experience and learning from mistakes . Great to see you back on the air . I’d like to see you do a build, install and dyno . I know that takes lots of sponsors and money though .
@SKANK_HUNT49
@SKANK_HUNT49 4 жыл бұрын
Give me a lever long enough and I can move the world
@randylanhart1796
@randylanhart1796 4 жыл бұрын
I love the knowledge that you give us. Warren Johnson was the professor in the pro stock ranks. You sir should be known as the Street Professor.
@allmarinemaintenance3714
@allmarinemaintenance3714 4 жыл бұрын
He is still a live. This is my favorite engine building/machine shop based channel! I wish we got more content from you. The information is some of the most informative and real
@brianhdueck3372
@brianhdueck3372 3 жыл бұрын
What a wealth of information! I never understood the dual profile reasoning and it’s really very basic. Thank you sir.
@fordltd1983
@fordltd1983 4 жыл бұрын
i have a 408 windsor with 20 degree heads 10.25 compression .579 lift cam heads flow 274/218 @.550 chassis dynoed 400hp/425tq. The torque curve on these strokers is almost a straight line from 2500-5500. looking forward to your build.
@PeterAndersons
@PeterAndersons 4 жыл бұрын
What a great introduction to an interesting build, not many 'experts' can articulate correct component choices as you can. Great video, cheers and thanks.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@karlnash7105
@karlnash7105 4 жыл бұрын
Like your explanation. It's always about how they breathe. I like to see how the old flat head guys tried to overcome the limits of the poor head designs. Thanks again for the good info.
@ninonino8686
@ninonino8686 4 жыл бұрын
so happy to see you back ! this summer I built the 385 Chevy stroker for my Corvette and used your videos as a guideline it turned out amazing and I couldn't be happier thank you so much for your content
@magnuswester4748
@magnuswester4748 4 жыл бұрын
AdvancedShadeTree 😃🤙Same for me.
@cliffwright9842
@cliffwright9842 4 жыл бұрын
Not a Ford guy Sean but I love this, can't wait to see it. Saw this done on another site and it's amazing. I guessed 425hp in my head so were on the same page. Thanks for sharing this build!
@jimmckinney6715
@jimmckinney6715 4 жыл бұрын
Really glad to see you back. I was getting worried.
@brianperry1658
@brianperry1658 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back and I'm excited to see this build. I have already been building mine but I'm using a CHI 3v 225 head with Forged crank, Forged flat top pistons and H beam rods at 10.5:1 I appreciate to see more and more clevor builds.
@billsanchez2665
@billsanchez2665 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds solid to me some of the best content you can get lovin it more please!!
@TheFogLakeshore
@TheFogLakeshore 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, my favorite engine builder on YT. Younger guys are focused on regular content, older guys are focused on the subject at hand. I like both but you need to post more! And by more I mean even once every 2 months.
@uhfnutbar1
@uhfnutbar1 4 жыл бұрын
In 1975 Ford had a Granada Gatsby.... I drove (stole) the only one with a 351 Cleveland and it was in Canada with .... It had big yellow fog lights on bumper and an old big horn added and a two tone paint job, this was invented by a Canadian ford dealership in Toronto! It was adopted by Ford and more where made i cant say how many but not many and they where all 302 cars.... ,, IT was more less A 75 Granada two door with paint and trim with a few gagits for the horn and fog lights and my mom had FIRST ONE the prototype bought off show room floor :) ,, The dealer re=place the standerd 302 V8 and drop a 351 Cleveland :) in a Canadian car lol it was fun to steel as a teenager all 16 year old in 76 , and it had more then enuff power for me to handle,, gald to see you back man :)
@jeffnorbert1871
@jeffnorbert1871 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely, Cleveland heads were way ahead of their time. Carroll Shelby broke up with Ford because they wouldn't let him "have" them.
@werewally3156
@werewally3156 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa "have them"? I would think Shelby could have a set of Ford heads......
@alanhardman2447
@alanhardman2447 4 жыл бұрын
@@werewally3156 - Yeah, he was actually involved with the "push" for Cleveland heads. The Boss 302 was the first use of this design, and went mainstream with the 351 Cleveland, 351M, and 400 engines in quick succession. Too many (almost all of them) were of the open-chamber design. These reportedly flowed a little better, but were seriously low on compression ratio. Shelby didn't "get" the heads because there were other teams already working with Ford in the Trans-Am series where the engine was being used. In fact, several Shelby prototypes had the Boss engine installed. Old news.
@scottfritz4988
@scottfritz4988 4 жыл бұрын
@@alanhardman2447 I don't know where you got this information but it is wrong. Shelby ran Trans Am Boss 302's in 69 so what do you mean he couldn't "get" them? To use on the street cars? Shelby was done with Ford because the Shelby Mustangs had become too much of a luxury car than a race car and he didn't want that.
@matthewmoilanen787
@matthewmoilanen787 4 жыл бұрын
@@alanhardman2447 Actually the open chamber heads were better for emissions but flowed significantly less than the " four barrel" heads. The port size difference was major. The big port heads also had a higher operating RPM range. And as stated already, I have no idea where you got the info that Carroll Shelby couldn't get Cleveland heads. That simply is not true. Carroll Shelby had access to any parts he wanted from Ford and used them successfully in Trans Am racing. You were correct in stating that the vast majority of these heads were produced in the open chamber form.
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmoilanen787 here in aus,,we use 302c heads,small combustion chamber,gives about 12.1,stock..those big port heads,4v,not the carb,,were huge,only good after 90 mile hr,better with the 'smaller',351,2v heads,that chev guys dream of..why would you buy a chev or holden in the first place,no race history,no world wide wins,nothing.not even an american name,french,the insignia came from a bathroom,or room a chev suit,was staying in,in europe.!!.
@luisrodriguez9663
@luisrodriguez9663 4 жыл бұрын
Love the knowledge he puts out
@richardgladdish2776
@richardgladdish2776 3 жыл бұрын
Mate I’m a ‘greaser’ and thought I knew ‘stuff’, but listening to you - how much I don’t know. Don’t get taught this shit at trade school. Awesome mate, keep it up !!
@petepilot1661
@petepilot1661 4 жыл бұрын
This explains why my first car blew a piston.It was a 56 Chevy with a 58 283 power pack. It was a good little runner in 1966 and would quickly rev to 7000 rpm. Everything was great for the first few thousand miles but one night I came home and knew she wasn't running right.the next morning I checked the oil and discovered a milky mix about a foot up on the dipstick. Upon tear down I found a piston in two pieces with the cylinder wall ventilated by the piston pin.i guess at 16 you don't know about rev limitations.
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
i hope now you drive ford,as chev never made a decent engine.small block that is,allways cheaping out.mate wanted to fit a 360/340,to a jag,could not buy a kit to fit,here in aus,,so,he threw his brain out,bought an 010 block,from a truck,threw everything in the bin,except the block,then slunked into the chev speed shop,for heads,crank,pistons,ect..plus,a chev wont stand 6k,all day,like a ford c will.rubbish engines..i own a 340 r/t chall.thanks dodge..
@hikdingle2210
@hikdingle2210 4 жыл бұрын
@@phantomwalker8251 Are you speaking English?
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
@@hikdingle2210 yes,very..this happened back in 93..before chev woke up & started building decent motors,,single ports,canted valves,ect.plugs actually facing the correct angle to piston,.350,s are junk..
@hikdingle2210
@hikdingle2210 4 жыл бұрын
@@phantomwalker8251 I agree I'm a ford man through and through. I was just joking about all your Aussie slang.
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
@@hikdingle2210 funny,im british,came here in 71,,had to change the way i spoke to be understood,,,ish,,so now,,i sound american,or irish after few beers..i do like chevs,gm,but they are lacking in certain things,,i own 4 f series,,i allways wanted a blazer,but id say theres 3 in aus..ford was the only co.,that stayed here.just..i nearly bought a corvette,till one day i saw one on a hoist in a garage,,that rear suspension,put me right off,,1843c leafs off a chuck wagon..all car co., have there probs.here we have a falcon 4.2 lt,turbo.very fast,.but,the rear end falls out,the rad drains into the trani,plus other stupid faults..its a pity you in 'merka,never had the nissan gu,4x4,or the super duty,4.2 tdi.,MWM,.german diesel tractor engine,,almost as good as the 7.3.no tech,nothing..i read the history of ford gm dodge,in a car mag..80,s id say..dodge was it..chev was the poor mans ride..every one here is stiking LS engines in everything.6k for the lot..i imported a 62 F100 4x4,,with a 352 FE,.guy must of had 2 trucks this was the better.but sold it,.$1500,susanville,ca..$2900 to import...i also imported a 73 chall.,340 r/t clone..got ripped,,but no rust & drives good.sublime.r/t interior.all the shit....happy toyota corona yr,,stay safe..
@ronbelldvm
@ronbelldvm 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Been missing your videos. I really appreciate all the detail you provide, and am looking forward to watching this build progress.
@nrainfidelforlife
@nrainfidelforlife 4 жыл бұрын
That was a lot of information in a short amount of time. Camshaft profiles are becoming less confusing. Thanks Iron!
@james8662
@james8662 4 жыл бұрын
The Pantera had some healthy 351C back in the day. I would have guessed it capable of 550 plus hp in a basic build very warm street form
@cuzz63
@cuzz63 4 жыл бұрын
head flow shows they would make over 500hp with right cam and intake.
@skylinefever
@skylinefever 4 жыл бұрын
25:10 From what I have heard, mass produced performance pistons can be 4032 or 2618 alloy. 4032 may not survive as well under very extreme builds, but it allows good piston to wall clearance. 2618 is said to deform and return to shape so that it can be used on the most extreme race engines. Those pistons tend to need extra clearance and are noisy. Another thing your Mahle pistons have is a performance coated skirt. That coating does a great deal to reduce noise, although it is primarily used to reduce friction and wear in the engine. Over the past 25 years, performance coated pistons became more common in new cars. Even many of the low price cars have these piston coatings. 27:00 some DOHC engines have the opposite, where the intake cam has a longer duration than the exhaust cam.
@chevydyall7619
@chevydyall7619 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck I love your videos. I come here because of the detail you go into. Never change
@fgialcgorge7392
@fgialcgorge7392 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This is the crap I've been asking, buying books for, watching videos for, thank you!
@subwoofer8865
@subwoofer8865 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the engine tech in your videos. I'm trying my hands at building a Mopar 361 B block, and your info has helped me so much.
@kaydenhaire4839
@kaydenhaire4839 4 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I hope you do more over the winter.
@edjackson4389
@edjackson4389 Жыл бұрын
I always worried about piston speed, but recently I heard a couple of big time engine builders discuss the subject on a podcast and they both said it was something they never even think about anymore.
@chuckg9805
@chuckg9805 4 жыл бұрын
man, the brain hirts - who knew - glad I listened to the end. now if I can only remember the new lessons
@kennybiggs3944
@kennybiggs3944 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for throwing down some knowledge it helps when somebody like you shares thanks again
@2000blackstang
@2000blackstang 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I learned so much from this video! Thank you do much for explaining all of this! I have been looking for cams for my mustang and know I know more of what to look at to get them if I want to stay stock heads for now!
@Boats29
@Boats29 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back. Giving out amazing information as always. Thanks
@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
Edelbrock heads for the 351C suck. TFS, CHI etc are good heads. And the Cleveland blocks are plenty strong. Rather put that top end on a 400, its cheaper and easier to put together than a clevor. Only reason I would use a Windsor block, is if I wanted a bore bigger than 4.06, but then again its cheaper to buy 434ci stroker kit for a 400, from Tim Meyer, than a aftermarket block for the Windsor.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
I never said the C blocks were not strong I said the 351W is stronger that is a fact the 351M/400 blocks are much weaker than the C or the W and definitely not cheaper than a Windsor that is just nonsense I do agree the Trick Flow heads are one of the best heads for this but very pricey the M blocks don't hold up well to high HP or RPM they are no where near the strength of a Windsor block
@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
@@Myvintageiron7512 Then you need to do some more research. The 351M/400 block, crank, and rods are good for 600HP AND the 400 is cheaper to build, no stroker kit, no modifying the heads, and no special intake (witch there is only one manifold for a 351Clevor, hope you like it.). Sorry we are just going to have to disagree. Stock for stock windsors are not stronger than the 335series blocks, they were and are all thinwall castings.
@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
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@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
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@whatsinaname1829
@whatsinaname1829 4 жыл бұрын
@@Myvintageiron7512kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3aYXoJudp6NaJo, 500hp 400 fords are everywhere....
@electrolytics
@electrolytics 4 жыл бұрын
Man I missed this channel. Good info here.
@blairberg1081
@blairberg1081 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome he's back and with clevor
@prtyof4156
@prtyof4156 4 жыл бұрын
Not to even mention the fact that 351 Cleveland blocks are extremely hard to come by
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
not in aus,i have 3..all f series have them,or late 70,s mustangs,pantera,s,ltd,s.ect.you can buy new in u.s.but,a windsor is better,just the heads are crap..strait valve train,no good.small ports..
@cuzz63
@cuzz63 4 жыл бұрын
lol, they made millions of them.
@misters2837
@misters2837 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly I Junked 100's of the Crappy 2bbl Clevelands... Nobody wanted them.
@randomdude1786
@randomdude1786 4 жыл бұрын
Love an H beam rod, keeps a baring clamped round. Even with the insane clamp load available with todays rod bolts. And glad you mention spring pressure a tapered spring with a lower pressure would deffinitly make the joy last. oh ya titanium retainers. did i mention its good to see you again
@maryelizabeth2866
@maryelizabeth2866 4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy your videos. Your flathead videos were awesome. Thank you for do this.
@jasonblume2707
@jasonblume2707 4 жыл бұрын
YOUR BLOWING MY MIND RIGHT NOW WITH THIS CFM/CAM LIFT TALK, GREAT CONTENT LEARNING ALLOT IN JUST FEW MIN..... I HAVE BEEN BUYING 600 LIFT CAMS FOR YEARS IT MAY BE TIME FOR ME TO DO A LITTLE MORE MATH AND BACK OFF THE CRAZY LIFT!! THANKS
@Motor-City-Mike
@Motor-City-Mike 4 жыл бұрын
The "Clever" was the basis for the engines Ford ran in NASCAR before the FP9. The Windsor bottom end was nearly bulletproof stock - we're making 635hp (supercharged) at the wheels on a stock Windsor bottom end - stock rods, stock crank, stock block. I've pulled the main and rod bearings several times and there's no funny wear patterns and the rod bored still check round with a bore gauge. Forged pistons are the only upgrade.
@Shane-Singleton
@Shane-Singleton 4 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy that you’re back with another video! I can certainly understand being too busy.
@therory6888
@therory6888 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! Have always wanted to build one of these engine combos! And the H.P. numbers given back then were underrated by all the manufacturers for insurance purposes. Looking forward to the rest of the videos!
@danmallery9142
@danmallery9142 4 жыл бұрын
Yay! Glad to see a new video from you. Absolutely the exact engine I would have hoped for for your new project. I want to build something similar fro my 70 Mustang fastback.
@growingknowledge
@growingknowledge 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, loads of learning for us punters. Good to see you back.
@james8662
@james8662 4 жыл бұрын
Most excellent video bud and very well done, you deserve credit
@jr7392
@jr7392 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back, your vids are great. I'm wondering if at some point (not that you don't have plenty to do, lol) you could do a vid on what it takes to swap a SB Ford into an I6, 67-70 Mustang. Appreciate the vid you did on the foxbody 5.0 into a classic, but a "nuts and bolts" vid on what it takes to covert an I6 would be awesome, looking to do this myself and I've seen responses ranging from "meh, easy" to "don't even think about it unless you want to spend a bajillion dollars!!!" and there aren't any good YT vids I've found on the process. Thumbs up for all you do!
@mikeobrien3744
@mikeobrien3744 4 жыл бұрын
I gave the same lecture to a dozen guys telling me they were putting a 3/4 cam and dual high rise on a stock Chevy 350 back in high school. The only way to do it right, is to do it right.
@fordfepower9648
@fordfepower9648 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see ya back. Looking forward to the build.
@stevehaugen4268
@stevehaugen4268 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed at the 20:26 mark that you were a little dyslexic - you were calculating the percent of flow and dividing the exhaust flow of 165 cfm by the intake flow of 265 cfm but instead you entered 256 into the calculator on your phone. The answer you got for the percent of flow was 64.45. Using the the correct value of 265 instead of 256 you would have gotten 62.26. Then multiplying your percent of flow and your potential horsepower number of 552, you came up with 353 horsepower. Using the correct percent of flow you would have gotten 343.3 horsepower. On one hand, not a big deal - it's 10 horsepower. But...on the other hand, it's 10 horsepower! Not trying trying to be a pain in the butt - I love your channel and am subscribed. I have learned a ton by watching your videos!
@boss351gt6
@boss351gt6 4 жыл бұрын
BOSS 351s were rated at 330hp but I believe they made near 380hp.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it's true they were under rated back then also the factory Cleveland Heads had very poor exhaust flow porting work could really wake them up
@darkmachine165
@darkmachine165 3 жыл бұрын
I like this guy he's particular and very OCD about leveling out the engine between power and reliability, impressive I bet the local shop that I could pay, would not take this much time and love into my 72 351w as I am.
@cousinbill7157
@cousinbill7157 4 жыл бұрын
Really glad to see you back! will be down your way in January.
@nuvey7939
@nuvey7939 4 жыл бұрын
About fucking time! I’ve watched all of your videos too many times on repeat. I need new material. I was legitimately thinking about calling your shop to check on you lol
@v8felon
@v8felon 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for breaking it it down was expecting more from the Cleveland heads can't wait to see and results.
@frankc1430
@frankc1430 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that cam explanation. It's going to really be a lot of help.
@pacman3908
@pacman3908 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and engine methodology. Like to see this engine combo on a dyno for results
@kennethhetrick5458
@kennethhetrick5458 4 жыл бұрын
I just love engine math!!!!!!
@paulmanson253
@paulmanson253 4 жыл бұрын
This is going to be an interesting build to watch. One minor oopsie I noted at 18:28. Inches of water are not inches of mercury. I think your careful wording got a little behind what you were thinking. One atm Hg is 29.92 inches. One atm water is 10.3 meters. 28 inches of water is a fair bit of pull,but nowhere near 28/30 of an atmosphere of mercury. Your info is more sophisticated even than Smoky Yunicks Power Secrets,which is decades old. I wish an old friend was still alive to watch this. Cleveland heads on a Windsor block was doable back when,but "speed costs money,how fast do you want to go". Mucho expensive. Hope everything runs as pencilled in. And nothing breaks.
@magnuswester4748
@magnuswester4748 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad your back, love your videos 👌
@matthewwisenbaugh3883
@matthewwisenbaugh3883 4 жыл бұрын
This is the man when I do my chevy 454 build I'm hitting you up and watching all your 454 builds again and again.
@chickenray182
@chickenray182 4 жыл бұрын
Between the heads and that 4" stroke I smell tire smoke :D.
@BustedWalletGarage
@BustedWalletGarage 4 жыл бұрын
351 Boss clones are cool but for practically a set of Windsor AFRs will make life easier.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
True but keep in mind this is a vintage car we are not looking for all out power it's never going to see a drag strip the suspension is all stock in fact the car is pretty much bone stock and in very nice condition it's not a show car but it could be with some work the customer wants to drive this thing even do a road trip ounce in a while I realize there are ways to do this and make more power but this is what he wants I am a big fan AFR and Windsor heads the Windsor engine is one of the best small blocks there is and I am talking Ford.Chevy, Chrysler here I am a fan of the Chevy SB as well simply because it's cheap and reliable how ever in my humble opinion the Windsor is a better design for many reasons I won't get into now, so I hear you but in this case the customer wants a C and so a C he will get
@phantomwalker8251
@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын
do the afr,s have canted valves,??.big difference.
@BustedWalletGarage
@BustedWalletGarage 4 жыл бұрын
harry walker the AFR heads are more efficient , even more so at low and medium rpm. Using the Cleveland heads is cooler and overall more expensive once you factor in pistons and manifolds. Its not money so whatever floats the owner’s boat.
@archaeongg7180
@archaeongg7180 4 жыл бұрын
I can't thumbs this up enough.
@patrickscahill254
@patrickscahill254 4 жыл бұрын
You're the man, keep on keeping on.
@wither8
@wither8 10 ай бұрын
Hey man, good video. Just wanted to make a few errata. 1) @20:27 where you were calculating exhaust, you hit 256 not 265 - so your per cylinder efficiency (and thus HP) goes down. 2) however, there are better ways for calculating the overall flow of the head (and thus potential output power). The SAE uses the "coefficient of discharge" which is their fancy way of saying "flow efficiency". These numbers factor in things like how low-lift efficiency is twice as important as high lift flow (since, as you mentioned dwell time), but also low-lift events happen twice as frequently as your high-lift event. CoD also factors in the non-linearity that exists inherent to the piston motion. (I.e, your crank is moving, more or less, in a circle. As the conrod (and piston) transpose into a linear motion, you retain the overall angular momentum of the crank, but it becomes effectively a (disorted) sinewave)). It's worth looking up since that's one of the key components most people forget to check out. Those Scat cranks are basically indestructable. I've seen the 9000 cast steel series throw rods and just blow out the block. I mic'd everything in a temperature controlled room with gloves on and a fresh cal'd set of 1 micron Mitutoyo's. The whole crank ran under 16 microns (0.7 thou-ish) runout, and each journal kept within 9 microns. David Vizard was running nitrous for a customer, decided to see how far he could push it on a Superflow. He got to 1200 HP (not sure how big of a shot he gave it). The side of the block blew out, and the crank bent, but it didn't break. Reminds me of the 383 (if you have a spare Magnum lying around, let me know what's fair and I'll take it off your hands)
@calveryc1
@calveryc1 3 жыл бұрын
I watched the how to pick a camshaft video first so I felt really smart.
@richardgalli7262
@richardgalli7262 4 жыл бұрын
Working on a Ford 400 Cleveland block using either Edelbrock or TrickFlow heads.
@attitudeadjusted9027
@attitudeadjusted9027 4 жыл бұрын
Never made a 400 Cleveland.
@johnlipsack2639
@johnlipsack2639 4 жыл бұрын
I asked a question in the last video. You answered it in this video.
@gregwarner9624
@gregwarner9624 Жыл бұрын
they had many more than 285hp. underated.
@claude6318
@claude6318 4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah man! I was waiting for this only on your channel
@MrValhem265
@MrValhem265 4 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back
@darrylcunigan7351
@darrylcunigan7351 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back man
@ShainAndrews
@ShainAndrews 4 жыл бұрын
400hp naturally aspirated for a daily or weekend warrior is a fun/responsive engine. Honestly if I want more than that forced induction all day any day, particularly where I'm running at altitude.
@heavychevy2289
@heavychevy2289 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see more videos and also thanks for the vortec intake gasket video... It helped my issue I will continue to use MS 98000T for future builds with vortec heads.
@TheChucklee
@TheChucklee 4 жыл бұрын
The flow test on your heads not Apples to Apples as your intake if they much denser charge then be spent exhaust and 70% is really all that's necessary according to superflow to determine your horsepower from your intake CFM
@danjourjouklis1719
@danjourjouklis1719 3 жыл бұрын
Again. Luv your videos. Explaining piston speed and % of intake flow. Thank you
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@misters2837
@misters2837 3 жыл бұрын
So basically this is a "Windsor" blocked 400... We had customized some Rods (so we could use better pistons - the now common KB were not available then.) and built many 400-4V engines (something Ford should have done) the 351M/400 seems to have been better designed than a 351 Cleveland... Though the heads/cams must be chosen to match RPM and power levels.
@thomasjefferson6848
@thomasjefferson6848 4 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
THX
@brianrobinson6362
@brianrobinson6362 4 жыл бұрын
If the heads max out at 500-600 lift, it’s a mistake to choose a cam that only flows max at peak lift. If you put a 650 or even 700 lift cam... the heads flow their max the entire time the valve is lifted past 550. I learned this long ago. Surprised this line of thinking is still out there.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
I disagree we have tried what you are saying many times with many different dyno sessions we either gained no power or lost I'm not surprised the line of thinking you propose is out there it's a very common mindset but very wrong
@s.c.bolton6428
@s.c.bolton6428 4 жыл бұрын
Air Flow Research is the best head, without cutting the pistols.
@mtnfordman
@mtnfordman 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the rest of this build !
@brianiron1
@brianiron1 4 жыл бұрын
20:26 slight miscalculation when said one thing and fed the calculater another. Not a gross differance.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
Yea I think I was off by 1 not earth shattering
@BrockGrimes
@BrockGrimes 4 жыл бұрын
@@Myvintageiron7512 256 vs 265
@79f1fitty5
@79f1fitty5 4 жыл бұрын
Glad your back man
@goldysgarage189
@goldysgarage189 3 жыл бұрын
The 351C M code was underrated at 300hp
@canadianmarauder1923
@canadianmarauder1923 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Good to see you again.
@PTucker0864
@PTucker0864 3 жыл бұрын
Easy to understand engine math. 👍
@jasonblume2707
@jasonblume2707 4 жыл бұрын
AWESOME!!! GLAD YOUR BACK!!!
@rc4lifebnsf
@rc4lifebnsf 4 жыл бұрын
Your back!!!!!
@chrisrye9128
@chrisrye9128 4 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to this build
@evalynmassey3711
@evalynmassey3711 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see you build this
@esandave
@esandave 4 жыл бұрын
please put a link for part 2
@Sloppyjalopy123
@Sloppyjalopy123 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty excited about this one, my dad has a 70 mach1 w/351c. As always, great info, thanks for sharing. Glad to see you back...
@mcfast52
@mcfast52 4 жыл бұрын
The Boss 302 had a Windsor block and Cleveland heads made by Ford, I think the Boss 351 was all Cleveland block and heads made by Ford and when you make engine yourself using Windsor block and Cleveland heads its called a Clevor engine, never made by Ford, is that right or wrong?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
You are correct!
@six159nagito
@six159nagito 4 жыл бұрын
Fkn A man. Nice to see you back. Thanks for thw vid.
@lilbill4779
@lilbill4779 4 жыл бұрын
I had been wondering about good questions to ask my local machinist.
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